Shortage of Bigs Next Year?
by rc360 on Dec 5, 2008 11:35 AM PST
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PrintLooking towards next year, there are signs that Kenny Thomas isn't getting any time with the Kings, Quincy Douby and Shelden Williams are gone after this season and Moore will be bought out. Brad Miller being traded (hopefully wiith K-9) is also a possibility but right now, it looks like they'll be here. Looking at next year's frontline before the draft and free agency, the main guys at the 4 and 5 will be Miller, Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson.
So what if one of those guys gets hurt? The last thing this team needs is a shortage of bigs, again. Should the Kings go after a good free agent or go after someone in the draft? If Miller is traded for an expiring contract next year and Hawes and JT become starters, who backs them up, because it won't be K9. Will the Kings get someone in return? Here are some of the options in both pools so far.
2009 Free Agency: David Lee, 26 (Restricted), Drew Gooden, 27, Charlie Villanueva, 24 (Restricted), Anderson Varejao, 26 (Player Option), Chris Wilcox, 26
Draft: Blake Griffin or Hasheem Thabeet (w/ Kings pick), Andrew Ogilvy (w/ Rockets' pick)
They can't afford Carlos Boozer or Jermaine O'Neal for sure. David Lee and Charlie Villanueva will want to get paid big and Drew Gooden is already making over $7 million this season. The Kings could also go for a point guard in next year's draft instead of a big man. Ricky Rubio, Stephen Curry, James Harden and Ty Lawson are possible. The only reason why I'm not saying Brandon Jennings is because he's coming off the bench and only has 6 assists through 5 games in Europe. He was supposed to play against Rubio next week, but he's been out for almost 2 months after hand surgery. But he is close to returning.
Before next year's draft, when B-Jax's contract is done and Douby's and Williams' options not picked up, the Kings will be paying $61,181,070 according to the SacBee. Sign B-Jax to the veteran's minimum (if he still wants to play), add a 6-10 pick or a potential top 3 pick, a mid 20s pick and a 2nd round pick. They could pay over $65-67 million next season, depending on their pick in the lottery. They can potentially save $25,237,960 if Moore is bought out and if some magical way Miller and K-9 get traded for an expiring contract(s) like Miami offering Shawn Marion. That would potentially have them paying only $40-42 million next season.
The salary cap might be $60 million next season. I think that the cap might be around $63 million in 2010. That means that the players looking for the max deal can get around $19 million. At the rate the Kings are going, they're on their way to paying under $34 million going into 2010, and that's before they re-sign Bobby Brown if they want to. If they go out and and sign someone for next year under $7 million, I'd have no problem. As long as it doesn't interfere with 2010. They'd still have over $20 million to spare.
Assuming that Moore is bought out, even if Miller or K-9 are still on the team, the Kings can't get a good free agent this summer. There's already been some interest in Brad from Miami and contenders could be interested in him. Depending on how bad a team might want him, K-9 could go too. So far, that hasn't happened.
No doubt, the Kings will be in the race in 2010. A free agent class that could include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Yao Ming, T.J. Ford and Richard Jefferson. The Kings will land someone big (please, Bosh or STAT), maybe they can get someone good this summer too.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Hmm, not sure I agree with you
1) I don’t see Moore being bought out. I see him being traded. That could easily bring a big in return.
2) There’s never a shortage of back-up big men. They may not be great, but they’ll come in, play some minutes of the bench. Scot Pollard is an example of this type of player. The FAs you mentioned are stars/starters. That’s not what the Kings will be pursuing. They’ll sign some back-ups. A star/starter would mean JT and Hawes continuing to struggle for minutes.
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No doubt, the Kings will be in the race in 2010
Not sure I agree with this. As has been discussed ad naseum around here already, there’s a very real chance that the Kings will not be big players come 2010. There are a lot of teams clearing a lot of cap space. Not all of those teams can land the big FAs. And Sacramento is not the most appealing destination.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 5, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Actually...
Bosh has come out saying he doesn’t care where he plays.
…just putting that one out there.
Bosh
But that could be interpreted as being better for Toronto.
And the argument still stands that there will be many suitors out there with the cap space to make a play.
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Bingo
He wants to win, and he’ll go where he thinks he will. (I really think Toronto and Sacramento could be natural trade partners if Toronto isn’t paying lux tax.)
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Good Question
Even if we end up with the worst record doesn’t mean we’ll get a star out of the draft. And, even with $40M in cap space, we won’t be able to buy a ALL STAR lineup in 2010.
Now, based on personel research, 55 percent of the NBA stars come to their team out of the draft. And, 35 percent come from trades. That leaves only 10 percent from FA. As its been pointed out a multitude of times, unless you are a TOP contender no STAR is choosing a small market. CBA rules limit how much we can offer, and the players existing team can always offer more.
As Section has said numerous times, we need to acquire draft picks for our vets. And, we need cap space to facilitate trades. Any of the trades for Miller that free up cap space in 09, is the way to go. Then if we don’t get a big in the draft, we will need to acquire at least one replacement possibly from your list of bigs. But, he needs to be a starter because I don’t believe we’ll be as lucky with JT in his second year as we have been with Spencer.
Injuries to Martin over the past two years, have proven that our depth at the 2 needs to be addressed. Plus, we need to address Bobby Browns contract which is a player option. Greene isn’t likely to move into a starting role at the 3 next year, so dealing with Salmons ETO or replacing him will be a necessity by next years trade deadline. I’m not one of those that believe we need a pure PG, especially if we are going to continue to run a HI Post offense. What we do need IMHO, is man on man defenders and 3pt spot up shooters.
So, you continue to draft for stars, and use your cap space to fill needs by acquiring proven role players. Then in 2 or 3 years hopefully, our rookies and future draft choices develop and we become a contender.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Dec 5, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think if the KIngs were to trade Miller to Toronto
Joey Graham and Kris Humphries, as well as Andrea Bargnani would have to be involved. That’s the only way the Raps could break apart the core without doing anything else to it. (Of course the Raptors would have other problems, but maybe Miller would solve a main issue.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I wrote it elsewhere
Raps need wings (and to get rid of some of those they have) while will be perhaps very hesitant to let Bargnani go. The main needs of Raptors right now are rebounding and the wings (Moon being completely out on both sides of the floow, Parker defending not so bad, very inconsistent and Kapono taking like one 3point attempt per game) – well, apart from not having a coach and an offensive system (the latter for too long)
One of the arguments I have heard about Bargnani, particulalry referring to Colangelo/Sam Mitchell relationship, was that Mitchell has not designed an offensive call for Bargnani whatsoever. Very often, Bargnani has a good start of the game, but disappears later (although this year he improved a lot in terms of the post-defense, he has good blocking numbers and his offensive game is much more versatile)
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 6, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine why the Craps give up Bargnani
MOst of his criticism did come from Mitchell directly.
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I'm going to start flogging you with an ankle bracelet if you keep this up!
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by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hudson -
You need to change your name to “replybutton101.” :)
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by section214 on Dec 6, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If we're going to be talking about drafting a young big who fits a real need
Let’s start talking about this kid Chad Ford mentions named Gani Lawai, outta Georgia Tech. This kid I think is somebody the Kings should target, if they don’t get a top 3 pick,, or maybe trade down if they do, because he’s athletic, blocks shots and plays defense. Hmmm, think that would make sense for this team?
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by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The reason I bring up Lawai is this
Let’s start discussing this cat’s peripherals. (RB, please chime in here since you like the college hoop meister of StR.)
DX, on their mock draft (and I like DX more than any other draft site honestly), currently has him 22nd on their 2009 mock as of today, December 6th. Hey, this is the type of kid that the Kings could either net with the Rox pick, or get a pick by trading down in the draft on draft day if they have a top 3 pick without a player they really like to draft that high.
I think 2009, like 2008, is the type of draft that teams might be willing to trade down, before, and not after, the draft. Perhaps how Petrie formulates his 2009 draft formula, and their is always time, is how he reshapes this roster into something resembling a playoff team again.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Oh, and Lawai's peripherals look like this
He’s 6’8 and weighs 233 lbs. That’s similar to Jason Thompson in body type, and like Jason is athletic. This team still needs that yes?
This is the part of the player profileon DX I really like to be honest:
The main selling point that Lawal offers as a prospect revolves around the little things that he brings to the table. He possesses an outstanding motor, usually playing harder than anyone else on the floor. The Georgia native is outstanding running the floor, extremely quick off his feet, posts incredibly hard, and uses his body to play the role of enforcer on the defensive end. He appears to be an absolute coach’s dream, and a player who constantly leads by example with his excellent effort.
I’m not convinced this team needs another super duper star. I think JT or Shawes is already one of those. Additionally I think Greene and Martin also could fill those roles. (Kevin’s only 26. There is time for him to improve unless he’s always hurt as has been the norm throughout his career.)
The big thing is that this team needs to start filling holes with young players who fit this team, now, and for the future. I really think Lawai can do that for this team regardless of folks out there (like Blake Griffin whose the obvious name, and whom I think won’t make this team championship caliber—an opinion I’m always willing to be proved wrong with) who want a PG or the Blake Griffin guy to go with Shawes/Jt.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
See, this is why Pookey is the reply-button master
He even replies to himself.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 6, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
I was motivated. Leave me alone :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Let's not gamble
I really like your earlier suggestion of trading Miller for a contract that expires in 09 and getting involved in the 09 FA market for a big that can come in and produce right away. Then I think we can go for the PG in the draft or trade for someone like your Connelly. Finally, we need a SG either through trade or the draft. I say with cap space & draft choices in 09, we don’t have to gamble on the lotto balls falling in our favor and then picking the best rookies. I say trading for an immediate impact type player, is better than drafting a unproven rookie or project.
Of course if we do get lucky and end up with a top 3 pick, we need to go for whomever has the potential to be a star, no matter what position.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
My Conley?
Dude, I’m hardly the only person who thinks highly of him. There were a lot of GM’s high on him before the 07 draft. He didn’t go 4th cuz he played with Oden.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
are you sure?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yes I am sure he didn't go 4th cuz he played @ OSU
He went 4th cuz he lots of 3’s, is very strong for a guy his size (and I mean wicked fucking ass strong), and is very young to boot. He has a lot of time to grow, and in my humble opinion, has the best all around abilities of any young PG that isn’t Deron Williams or Chris Paul. So, yeah, I am high on the kid. I could give a shit who he played with in college. This guy ain’t Trajan Langon lttg.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Trajan Langdon
For the non-spelling challenged.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I know you like him
and I’m not saying he sucks or anything
but he’s well into his second year and he’s been, you know, ‘OK’ so far.
If we didn’t have to give up much – but I wouldn’t want to bank on anyhtingI’ve seen so far.
And big schools can get a player overrated, you know that.
(NOT saying that here! But I just…don’t…know)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
That's fine
You don’t have to be enamored of him.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
to be honest
ill take the grizzlies problems ne day. they consider conley to be an issue i consider him to be a prized possession. we all know beno isnt gonna be much more than what he is now so id love to bring in conley and see what he can do with this fresh start in a city where the people LOVE the team.
i read your artcile a while ago pookey about how to acquire conley. last i heard the grizz have him on the block meaning it wouldnt take somthing as drastic as our first pick. i think we could possibly give up the houston pick with a few solid pieces here and there. it seems like they have pretty much givin up on conley so much so that they put him on the bench for kyle lowery.
Hit the clutch, hit the gear, hit the gas and im GONE!!!
I would do that in a heartbeat
If that’s what it took.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
No offense mate
It was one am and I was too tired to look up the spelling, so I used the word ‘your’ so you’d know who I was talking about.
All in all, I think you’ve had the best and most original ideas of rebuilding this team. As I said " why wait on the lottory and gamble, let’s make some moves now" and take advantage of the teams that are DREAMING about 2010.
Trade Miller for cap space in 09, and see if we can pick up a big like Verajao or Okur should they opt out. Trade for a PG, and then see how lucky we get in the draft. Then we start next year with upgades at the PF, PG & put 1st rounder here.
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Thanks I needed an ego boost
while I sit @ SFO doing nothing at all.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
HT, I think your comment about
an ‘unproven draft pick or project’ rules out Conley, who I don’t see as an impact player even if he does develop into a good starter.
If we could make the right deal, I’m all for a youngish veteran impact player (of Course!) I’m not a believer that draft picks solve everything.
At some point we’ll have to make a deal, what deal, at what position and who? I have no freakin’ idea. But I think your point that we could take a stab at it next off season if we had the cap space could be a good one. There’s always a team or two looking to start from scratch or unloading someone who’s fallen out of favor.
I just don’t know who would be willing to give up a 2009 expiring contract that wants what we’ve got – do you?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Verajao or Okur would not be on my list though
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Economic hard times for professional sports
ARCO arena is not the only place with empty seats. Heck, the NBA could not even afford to support the WNBA’s winningest franchise. Look for the salary cap to lower substantially. Cutting salary to get ready for FA-Fest 2010 may be a surprise with the cap down in the $50-$55 M range.
I think the salary cap will lower myself too
I’ve always thought that was a possibility, and have sat on it. (I don’t know if it’s likely to go down too much because of the TV contracts, because that’s really what drives revenue, and the networks are still getting theirs off televising games now more than ever.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I can't help myself
I’ve always thought that was a possibility, and have sat on it. (I don’t know how to block quotes)
Pookey – do I get to tell you in the future to “sit on it”?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Hitt the purple quote mark
And then highlight whatever text you want to blockquote. I would make sure you’re only blockquoting a line, because you can’t blockquote paragraphs. (I make that mistake from time to time.)
And as far as the question, why not? If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Hit the purple quote mark
And then highlight whatever text you want to blockquote. I would make sure you’re only blockquoting a line, because you can’t blockquote paragraphs. (I make that mistake from time to time.)
And as far as the question, why not? If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that is a rec'd
If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 8, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
SG/SF and another big man
Thats who i would be targeting first.
Little guys develop more quickly – if they ever do.
Preliminarily , and assuming we end up with #8 (or so) and #20, I’d be looking to see ow Thabeet develops this year and find a great SG/SF…..
Its too early though I think. I’d be fine with SWilliams staying at a greatly reduced rate..
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2010
is fools gold. everyone is chasing after it so there wont be enough players to go around. i say this offseason we make a push at carlos boozer. screw waiting for amare, bosh, all those other high profile 2010 guys to turn us down.
Hit the clutch, hit the gear, hit the gas and im GONE!!!
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