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The Pew From Section214, 12/6

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85-118. Wow.


Pregame

No K9(woof!) or Douby tonight - who are we going to blame this loss on? Give me an "R," give me an "E," give me a "G"...

Hawes is the "DJ" for the warmup music this evening. It starts with Journey and "Don't Stop Believin'," later moves into Nirvana and "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and wraps up with Lee Greenwood and "God Bless The USA."

Player intros, and this crowd loves them some Spencer and Kevin.

1st Quarter

An early dunkfest, and we're the dunkees.

Pearl Harbor survivors are introduced during a timeout. Have these gentlemen not witnessed enough carnage in their lives already?

It took us six minutes to post our first assist, but we are on a pace for 32 turnovers.

I don't think that there are 10,000 people here, and that has led me to come up with the Bizarro Monarchs seating chart - close the lower bowl and let everyone sit in the second deck. The Kings must look better from up here than they do up close.

18-37 at the end of one, with the Nugs shooting 70% from the floor to our 29%

2nd Quarter

Harlem Globetrotter Curly Neal is in the house.  Good Lord, I saw him perform 36 years ago at the Memorial Auditorium. He still looks great. We need a point guard that can handle, don't we?

39-60 at the half. Take your choice of telling stat - 60% FGP for Denver to our 27%, 10 turnovers for us against 6 assists.

Halftime

Junior High and High School cheerleaders. Though not here, my daughter is a high school cheerleader, so suddenly the comments that I hear all around me are not as funny as they used to be.

3rd Quarter

How can we get called for illegal defense when we don't play defense?

Fans are already starting to file out with nine minutes left in the 3rd and us down by 25.

Six minutes left in the 3rd and we're finally halfway to a chalupa.

Sparked by Shock and Hawes, the deficit is again trimmed to a mere 25.

62-89, and we're down to 26% shooting.

4th Quarter

Maybe 1,800 people left with five minutes left to play.

It does not appear that we will eclipse the 30% plateau from the field tonight.

A Hawes alley to a Bobby Brown oop has the exiting-room-only crowd on it's feet.

Hey, where's B-Jax going? I had to stay until the end. How come he got to leave early?

And there is booing at ARCO Arena as the clock ticks down to zero.

Postgame

A chillingly easy ride out of ARCO.

I seem to recall watching the Kings lose to Utah 107-71 some 15-20 years ago, as well as an 88-66 loss to the Detroit Pistons. This one is right up there with those games.

Right or wrong, these are the types of performances that get head coaches fired.

Until the next time, (mercifully) end transmission...

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the Reggie clock started at 9 games in

the alarm is going to sound any day. I am going to one of my 5 games on Tuesday. If the performance against the Nuggets is this dismal with three days off – I will just shrug if Stinky chimes in. I don’t think the Maloofs will handle a 30+ loss to LALakers the same way. PIck an asst. coach to take over or look for “the new coach of your Sacramento Kings – John Whisenant!”
This game made me recall the old adjectives: “woeful”, “hapless” and “lowly”. This game is a morale killer for fans and I have to believe that sentiment transcends to the home team locker room at ARCO arena.
With all that said, I am still in favor of lose and let lose. If there are no playoff hopes – and sadly, there are is not even a pilot light on to spark that fire – lose with purpose.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2008 12:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

and in a classic - their bad team is worse than ours -

we lose by 33 to be eclipsed by GSW losing by 35. A team that wins by outscoring opponents (stategically – all teams win by outscoring) can not score. Overall, a sad time for NorCal sports.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2008 12:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep
Overall, a sad time for NorCal sports

I’m gonna start watching hockey from now on because at least the Sharks are good

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by vfettke on Dec 7, 2008 1:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the sharks game vs the wild

It reminded me of arco back in the day. Full arena, passionate fans, excellent product on the ice, and as a bonus there was a nice fight. I highly recommend it if you live in the bay area.

by thekangarooster on Dec 7, 2008 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stockton, unfortunately

Not much of a hockey fan but I’m willing to become one.

And we do have a minor league hockey team here… and there games are fun

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Dec 7, 2008 2:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not watch hockey at this point?

I mean, that kind of carnage might be preferable to what we saw last night.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 7, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, why not?

The Sharks power play percentage is 23%. That’s not much different than what we shot last night.

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by section214 on Dec 7, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Embarrassing

I didn’t realize Miller had the flu until after the game, when Katye and Fat talked about it. Had I known, I would not have muttered some of the things I muttered during the first quarter. I mean, even Grant (!) was calling Miller out for his defense.

It’s incredibly sad that Udrih had to be yanked 5-6 minutes into the first before he showed some effort.

Bobby Jackson and Mikki Moore are not happy. I don’t think those guys and Theus can co-exist all season.

by Ziller on Dec 7, 2008 6:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Trade them then

What positive effect does Mikki Moore really have for this team? Bobby Jackson? Ditto. I think Bobby has made some important comments in the media, but being a media whore, who speaks his mind, does not help a team win.

This team has many problems, hopefully not at the top with the next coaching search, and one is that you have several factions of this franchise grinding at each other. You can’t co-exist in that scenario for very long, and not have your overall performance suffer.

The Kings biggest issue I see, as I see it that is, this is a mediocre team getting just rotten luck. Every time they play a good team, they’re ticked off with something to prove. Some of it is the laisez faire defense, but some of it is this group of players and how they play. They haven’t meshed, they were beaten down with a rotten schedule, weren’t healthy to boot, people are so desperate about this team thtye’re willing to suggest anything, some of which isn’t feasible, and after all the smoke clears, this is still a mediocre team that hasn’t caught a break with the single exception of New Orleans. And I still believe, and always will, Sac just beat Nawlinz on that night.

The bottom line is this team was hoping for a magic cure, and it isn’t there. I was really fine with this team, right up until Joe Maloof came out and said what he did publicly. That’s what started this neurotic, narciistic view of a team that wasn’t likely to win more than 25-30 games anyway.

Beno, by far, is the single biggest problem on this team that is fixable. But, and I will maintain this, that the greater issue is how the KIngs move on from Beno. He has talent, and has a lot of ability, but what the Kings need from him is not what he will be able to do consistently. That’s the only thing this early season has taught me about any single player.

Reggie is doomed. I really want to see Whisenant get credit for something he didn’t do, and become yet another lynchpin for the Maloof rhetoric “defense wins championships” bullshit that rings hollow every time I hear it. If you honestly believe defense wins championships, you’re forgetting that there is 2 sides to the court. Being the best team on the court, and being able to take all comers, along with having some luck (not having a key guy go down in the playoffs) are all important parts to win championships. If the Maloof’s don’t figure that out, in any fashion, this team will have a ton of problems for it’s remaining years owned by the Family.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What the Maloofs need

Is a solid GM to put together the right talent. Oh wait…

"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The family needs to butt out of basketball affairs then

You can’t run a basketball team if you’re worried you’re going to offend Coleen Maloof. Or Joe or Gavin or anybody. They aren’t more qualified to run this team; ie they deserve a large portion of the blame for meddling when it was obvious they shouldn’t have.

I didn’t say they meddled with this team; just that this franchise is paying the cost for those past mistakes.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then Petrie

Deserves some blame for not selling his ideas hard enough or for just rolling over for the Maloofs.

I mean, here we are still giving Petrie a pass on all things personnel because the Maloofs have become an easy target. But if all he’s doing is drafting brilliantly, then deferring to the Maloofs on everything else, what good is he really doing?

And the point I’ve made ad nauseum the last few years still stands – has Geoff Petrie ever built a winner for anyone but Rick Adelman?

My guess is that Petrie has been on board with the major decisions of this franchise the last few seasons, some more strongly than others. The alternative idea is pretty scary – that he’s just collecting a check until retirement.

Somehow, I really doubt that’s the case.

"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.

by otis29 on Dec 8, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not giving Petrie a pass

I don’t think your criticisms of GP are really applicable. That’s exactly why we don’t agree on this stuff.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great commentary Pookey! Rec'd

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by dalt99 on Dec 7, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will be legitimately surprised

If Whis isn’t coaching this team in the next few days. As for Bobby and Mikki not being happy, of course they aren’t. That was not a professional effort last night, and regardless of their talent or age limitations, effort and professionalism haven’t ever been an issue for those two.

Everything has setup perfectly for the Maloof faction. You run your mouth on the radio, get the media and the wolves in a frenzy, then you get a sweet losing streak, with heartbreaking losses, questionable coaching decisions and blowouts, then you bring the guy you always wanted as “savior”. And that guy has the maximum chance of success because expections have been obliterated.

Whis comes in and goes 20-40 the rest of the way, he’s a coaching genius and we have to deal with him through his next 4-5 year contract. Welcome to hell, I hope to everything Holy that Whis actually is an NBA coach, because he’s going to be our coach soon.

by ForThree on Dec 7, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Reggie’s time has sailed, at least within in the organization, and the problem is, Reggie doesn’t have any real solutions on the horizon. But, on the other side of all this, it will be a pleasure to watch Whiz and his bullshit greatness being taken down by 5 notches.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Last night was just indefensible, 100% indefensible. No defense, shoot 28% from the field. It doesn’t get any worse than that. This homestand from hell is what it is.

There needs to be much more than a coaching change, a roster shake-up is necessary. Maybe it’s time to find takers for Brad, Mikki, Beno and other veterans.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 7, 2008 7:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Upcoming schedule

Just reposting this from the other thread;

vs LA Lakers
@ LA Lakers
vs New York
vs Minnesota
@ Portland
@ Houston
@ New Orleans
@ San Antonio

I don’t think it makes any sense to fire Theus before the San Antonio game. There is a decent chance the Kings will be on a 16 game losing streak at that point. The only two winnable games are the Knicks and TWolves games. If Reggie’s going to get fired, wait until after the road trip.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 7, 2008 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What would be interesting

would be if the Kings find a way to win four of those eight games.

They were given up for dead after four games and put on a mini-comeback, albeit against poor comp, but stranger things have happened. Do you then get stuck with keeping Reggie for another dozen games?

I don’t think Petrie will push the panic button. He’s going to deal Miller, Moore, Jackson, etc. when he gets the right offers and not before. What would really be earthshaking is if Petrie gets canned.

I think the Maloofs were OK with rebuilding. They just didn’t bank on the team sinking to this level and the fans bailing en masse.

Anyway you look at it, it’s shaping up as a painful year. The key is positioning the squad and the franchise for the future in a thoughful fashion rather than hitting the panic button because it feels good to do anything other than the status quo.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 7, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree on your final sentence

but that thoughtful move should be based on my comment about adjusting that MIX of talent as I discuss below.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What would be interesting would be if the Kings find a way to win four of those eight games.

I agree that would be interesting and near miraculous given how much better those teams are than the Kings. I think they’ll win one or two out of the next eight. However, it would be very easy for them to lose all eight – to play well most of the time and lose all eight. Reggie would not survive a 16 game losing streak.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 7, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me

it isn’t about losing games. I knew coming in that we’d lose games, lots of games. We are losing more than I thought we would, but that still doesn’t bother me.

What bothers me, and why I think Reggie will likely be fired, is how badly we’re losing these games. Huge blowouts at home, getting down 20 in the 1st quarter, that can’t happen. Loosing close games late in the 4th sucks, and sub patterns and play calling can be pointed at the coach, but I don’t think he gets fired mid-season if the team is competitive. I do think he gets fired, and soon, if we can’t stay in the game longer than 15 mins.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 7, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he gets fired soon

because we’re gonna end up on a pretty epic losing streak here.

by Deleran on Dec 7, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the only way Whiz does get the interim job

Is if he agrees to start Shawes & JT as a tandem, and play BB significant mins.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar to Ed Tapscott in Bullets Land at the moment

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Petrie will push the panic button. He’s going to deal Miller, Moore, Jackson, etc. when he gets the right offers and not before.

Agreed. If we know anything about Petrie it’s that if he’s anything, he’s too cautious.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 7, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Firing Theus is NOT a panic move

If the Kings keep performing like this, firing Theus is a MUST be done move.

This is getting out of control. 33 point loss to the Nuggets at your own building is indefensible.

Even Oklahoma City has been more competitive than the Kings lately.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 7, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They already fired their head coach

They had nowhere to go but up. This is pretty much as bad as it gets with this club.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong Mix of talent

and there is talent on this roster.
Personality:
Its easy to blame reggie – but there is no emotional leader of this team. I see Reggie putting out all the energy he can muster – cheering, coaching, ect. but here is no player on this roster who REFUSES to be beaten. How can the energy continue to be so low? Too many of the vets are determined to act ‘professionally’, ‘another day at the office’ for a ‘professional’ NBA player. Thats crap. How about some ’We’re gonna kick your ass!’ Individual professionalism rather than some team chemistry, energy and trust and how ‘bout a little nasty?
Talent Mix:
I’ve said it so many times now…. There are no ‘catch and shoot’ players on this team, everyone wants to ‘DO’ something with the ball after they catch it, allowing defenses to react, recover, close in. You can’t constantly expect to beat everyone at this level off the dribble. Teams and layers who do that well succeed because of the danger of kick-outs and spot shooting keep defenses from continuously collapsing. The scouting report on the Kings is that although occasionally that may happen – we’re not going to beat you on those chances. This is why assist are so low on this team. Even our best spot shooters, KM and Cisco, try to make a ‘basketbal move’ more often than not before going up with a shot.

I know its early, I know we’ve been hurt, but the mix of player talent is just off to create an effective offense that makes any sense. You can’t call or create offensive plays for a group of players who have all too similar instincts when it comes to shooting. It really only takes one player, a starter in our case, to mix up the offense enough to keep defenses off guard. That move needs to be made at SF or PG.

SOMETHING needs to be done to shake up this roster if (I do say if, I think we needs to give them a few more games now that everyone is there) to change and adjust the make-up. At this point I find myself missing seeing Artest jacking up ill-advised shots. SOMEONE PLEASE SHOOT! Someone please SCARE the defense a little.

I don’t think there is a player, more importantly a PERSONALITY on this roster who has that in them.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2008 12:56 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Bingo

It’s about heart, ability, the ability to beat an opponent in different ways (more things the defense has to take away from you), playing hard, giving effort on D and basketball IQ. My only point in bringing up Artest now and then is to needle those that thought they could look at some stats and conclude the Kings would be as good or slightly worse by switching Salmons for Artest. Artest just is a more multi-dimensional player with a unique hyper will to win that is just misisng on the current roster. But, yep, he’s gone, so the question becomes, where do we go from here?

It’s not about averaging 19 points a game, it’s about creating different problems for the defense. Teams know that at crunch time, they can focus on clogging up the middle on Salmons, Beno or whoever is brave enough to take it down low becuase the players either lack the ability or the desire to drive and dish to someone spotting up. And as “lie” points out, there are not too many guys that can simply catch and shoot once they do get the rock outside.

Again, with all the injuries, maybe all this is an incredibly harsh assessment. Time will tell.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 7, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My only point in bringing up Artest now and then is to needle those that thought they could look at some stats and conclude the Kings would be as good or slightly worse by switching Salmons for Artest. Artest just is a more multi-dimensional player with a unique hyper will to win that is just misisng on the current roster.

Agreed. My need to get rid of him was almost entirely due to his (constant) off court issues. I agree that this team is certainly lacking the on-court guts that Artest brought every night. Hawes has some of it, as does Cisco. The rest of the guys don’t, to varying degrees, with Beno and Brad being the worst offenders.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 7, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My point exactly

‘Its about creating differnt problems for the defense’.

If you don’t have the personnel for that – can coaching really solve the problem? Our roster has too many players who INSTINCTIVELY want to make a move after receiving the ball. Salmons, in whom those instincts run the deepest, would be fine if the complementary player(s) are on the floor and he was less tunnel visioned about finishing his move to the hole and kicked it out more.

Now, KM,Cisco and maybe Hawes and BobbyB can do better in creating that problem for Ds, and they should be coached to do so to see what we’ve got.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Less dribblers and more "catch & shoot" players means less TO

I totally agree. Add BJax to those that over dribble. And, where that " I refuse to lose" attitude really comes into play is on Defense. The team needs players that can get on the opposing ballhandlers and think “YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SCORE ON ME”.

IMHO our best chance of getting there is through personel changes. GP needs to make some trades before the deadline. And, one dealing with K9 or Miller that will free up some cap space for 09. Cap space opens up trade options not possible without it, and FA acquisition. Plus with our draft choices and so many expiring contract, we could see as many as 5 or more new faces in the next year. This should make adding ‘catch & shoot’ player and ‘defensive minded’ player to the roster a lot easier.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're saying

The personnel is incorrect for the current “system”, then you’d have to say either the team hired the wrong coach or has the wrong GM in place…correct?

"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.

by otis29 on Dec 8, 2008 5:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you fire Petrie

You want Levien running this team? Or someone else?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about firing Petrie

I’m just asking the question. You’re saying the Kings are filled with square pegs being shoved into round holes. Doesn’t it follow that either Reggie was a bad hire, or Petrie’s not finding the right guys for Reggie’s system?

"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.

by otis29 on Dec 8, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cant speek for everyone but

Petrie didn’t go out and buy this team last year. The roster evolved because of events beyond his control, and thru tough decisions that may or may not have been the best in hindsite. But , which mostly looked good at the time they were made.

Theus being a bad hire, implies his inability to do something that needed done. I don’t remember anyone say that Theus’ job was to turn the KIngs into a defensive Juggernaut. Nor, was he hired to change the offensive traits of the players. At best all a coach can do is come up with a sytem where the players his given can thrive.

Theus’ systems were implimented to take advantage of the strengths of his players. Now, it’s up to them to perform. Since we’ll never know if a different coach could have gotten more wins thru the season thus far, no one can say if he was a bad hire or the best hire. But, I look at the progress of Hawes, JT & Brown, and I think he’s done one of his job mandates, that of developing the rookies.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 8, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Theus is...ok

For all the things Theus does that seem wrong, he has done some of the things I thought this team needed. He coaches. From the sideline. I know, too much. But he’s up there, screaming, involved, pissed when things aren’t right. It seems his guys aren’t doin’ it right (duh) or he doesn’t have the right guys.

 I think he’s motivated the team well up to this point. We’ll see going forward (if the blowouts continue) if that continues.

He’s given the young guys more time than past coaches may have, but it’s time to give them more. Who knows what pressure or constraints are coming down from management due to money and “veteran” attitudes/entitlement.

I agree with a personel change. Refuse to loose, catch and shoot, patrol the lane on D, assist leader mentality…anything really. Not just for the sake of mixing things up but, I trust Petrie to make progress if the offers are there.

Speaking of that, I wish there was a permanent post for discussion on trade ideas. Sometimes they can get out of hand and ridiculous but they’re always entertaining.

by busybe on Dec 8, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your last paragraph is totally on point

To Otis: Gee, you think I’m campaigning for Petrie’s firing? You know better. I worship the guy in the way I worship religion. With complete and total skepticism.

Even with all that said, I think you give the Maloof’s a pass because you think Petrie should fight to get a head coach hired to prove he’s right. If ownership won’t do something, and hiring a coach is an ownership decision, then at some point, all you can do is cross your fingers.

The Maloof’s are being praised for the “hands on” approach, but it’s backfired on them. Multiple times, and in multiple fashions. That doesn’t mean, however, that they won’t learn, or improve, and become quality owners. There actions, up to this point, dictate however they aren’t there yet.

Btw, since everything else is being brought up, regardless of whose idea it was to sing Mikki Moore, and I’m pretty sure it was a collaborative effort among Petrie, Theus and the Maloof’s, all 3 parties deserve blame on that one. (That’s what I think happened. Reggie thought the team needed another veteran presence, Petrie looked around for a player whom he thought wouldn’t restrict future cap space, and the Maloof’s just want to make the team better. That’s what I think happened, so in that scenario, all I can do is lob shots at all 3, and it’s just too complicated to do that.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like the Moore signing

It has kept K9(woof!) leashed for over a year.

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by section214 on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

Why pay K9 & MM?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2008 4:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not

I think we just see things from different perspectives is all. You are a “owners should hand the keys to the car to the GM and go disappear into their casino” guy. I think I’m more of a realist. ;)

The Maloofs are passionate, outspoken, “hands on” and yes – occasionally meddlesome. Yet GP re-signed with the team – meaning either the Maloofs have not done enough to frustrate him (aka, they are on the same page in most matters of interest), or Petrie is a lemming that’s just cashing a check until he retires – that scenario is highly doubtful.

"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.

by otis29 on Dec 9, 2008 5:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep well put

And I’m rec’ing it in part because you clearly stated what I should have long ago. Or, maybe you just did it more succinctly. (I’m voting for that point.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2008 7:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, how many games does Reggie have to turn this thing around...

Hate to say this, but the Reggie watch has to be on after a stinker like that. Not a lot of heart displayed by the team in this game. If the guys are TRYING to get rid of Reggie, they are doing a very good job of it. Looks like Moore is more than just a little perturbed by being benched. Too bad he hasn’t done ANYTHING to improve his body or his game since he has been on this team. He is GARBAGE! His Body language speaks volumes. I hope they can dump him soon. Miller is the NEXT starter to get benched for sure. He is a giant hole in our defense, and his offense and passing skills are begining to deterioriate. If Martin wants Reggie to keep his job, now would be a good time to play like he has his entire career. The last 2 games are going thru the motions. Maybe that comment that Theus made in the off season about Martin not being a “player to throw it down to” is coming back to haunt Theus. If Martin doesn’t play well, Theus is a gonner. Beno is a huge dissapointment this season. Giving him the MLE is looking like a huge mistake. Kings are drafting well, but freeagents aquisitions have been failures for the most part, and that goes right in the lap of Geoff Petrie. With a HUGE Freeagency year for the Kings in 2010, this year and next might be the end for Geoff if they cant get this thing turned around. I am rooting for Reggie, but right now things look bleek. One question I have is, Who can the Kings bring in midseason to do any better than Reggie has with this young and disjointed group?? The Defense has been HORRIBLE. Players like Miller and Beno make playing defense near impossible. Miller is the worst center defensively in the league. Starting Hawes and Thompson makes sense with the options being so few. Need to look for a backup 4 and draft a PG who can be consistent. Go Kings, Turn it around !

by FaStRmAn on Dec 7, 2008 5:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dude

First, try breaking up your posts into readable sections. The Enter key is your friend.

Second, Mikki Moore is not garbage. He’s a legitimate back up big, and while I’m sorry he’s unhappy coming off the bench, it’s where he has spent his career, except last season when the team had no other options. And he’s had a good career.

About Martin, he’s coming off a pretty severe injury and admitted in a pre-game interview last night that he wasn’t 100%, but felt the need to come back because the team needs him.

Miller played sick last night after getting a pre-game IV, so maybe cut him a little slack there as well.

Beno has made some mistakes, but I think most of them have been from him trying to do too much, or from throwing passes to rookies who either weren’t ready to get them or started their move before they caught the ball. Give it a little time for things to gel at the PG spot. He’s had a rotating starting line-up to deal with all season.

As far as replacing Theus, I think that we’d end up with an interim coach drawn from our existing coaching staff, because I don’t think there’s a quality coach out there who would be willing to take on a mid-season mess with the Maloofs breathing down his neck.

Patience, grasshopper. It’s been a rough month, but it is not the end of the world as we know it.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 7, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno has made some mistakes, but I think most of them have been from him trying to do too much, or from throwing passes to rookies who either weren’t ready to get them or started their move before they caught the ball. Give it a little time for things to gel at the PG spot. He’s had a rotating starting line-up to deal with all season.

Disagree. Beno has just played poorly and too often has tried to lay blame on his teammates. I don’t think more than a quarter of his turnovers are from other players making mistakes. Most of the turnovers are from dribbling into traffic and throwing the ball away. Beno’s defense has been atrocious all year. I also think he needs to shoot the ball more, as that’s what he does best.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 7, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a quarter of the turnovers less would be an acceptable TO ratio

not that I really disagree with your point as thats probably about the normal ratio of TOs caused by the player receiving the ball around the league.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Beno's not part of the problem

But I am saying it’s difficult to be a floor general when you don’t have the same guys on the floor any two nights in a row, and when the people he’s trying to direct have varying levels of experience running the plays called.

And that I think the problem will at least partially resolve itself once the rotation is more predictable.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 7, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon, call a spade a spade

Beno has sucked this year, and no amount of handwringing or excuse making can change that.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 7, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Handwringing?

Do I sound angst-filled to you?

Every player on our team has sucked at times and had a few good games.

I was offering my thoughts on why Beno has, in your so elegant phrasing, sucked.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 8, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

There I agree. I think Beno has to take responsibility for his poor play, but I do agree that some (not most) of it has been due to changing lineups.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 8, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the team is guilty of dribbling into traffic

The Kings are only shooting 29.7 percent from the 3. All of our opponents are backing into the paint because they don’t fear our 3pt shooting.

Although I do agree with your assessment of Beno, you can say that Salmon, Martin, BJax, & Brown are also guilty of dribbling into traffic. As far as throwing the ball away, I’m not sure whether it because of the changing lineup (which has been mentioned) or just lack of court vision, but he does seem to do it more often when he comes into the game. ( but maybe that’s just a feeling on my part and not fact)

The theory of the HIgh Post offense is to drag the opposing center away from the rim to open it up for drives and layups. That isn’t working. Other teams don’t fear our 3pt shooters or our PF’s so they crowd the paint. We need to, as JR says, “take what the defense gives you”.. So, if we are going to dribble penetrate, we should occasionlly pull up and shot a short jumper.

And, Beno needs to stop passing to bigs at the top of the circle or out in the wings, because they aren’t going to do anything with it from there except pass to someone else. That only leads to more chances for turnovers. PG’s need to probe the defense and find players who can score. And to do that he needs to learn how to use a screen. Beno dribbles away from more screeners before they actually have a chance to come to a stop, then any PG I’ve ever seen.

And, please Lord, make Beno stop trying to dribble through a double team.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This isn’t a 30 win team. It’s possessed of a modicum of talent but poorly constructed at present. There are rookies playing big minutes, Second year players logging even bigger minutes.

The only reason you fire the coach is if you have a really good replacement. Someone who has shown the ability to implement a system and runs teams in a style that would suit the personnel available. Just firing Reggie fixes absolutely nothing on this team.

You end up with either a bad choice rushed job as a coach or an interim who is going to get walked all over by the players. Reggie may not be your perfect pick as coach, but I sincerely doubt he is at home twiddling his moustache wondering how he can make things worse and lose his job. The guy would be pushing every button he can, to try and get some production out of people.

I hope they don’t fire him. I don’t want to end up like the Bulls last season getting stuck with Jim Boylan from Christmas on and having to deal with someone auditioning for a job as a head coach by playing vets and sucking up to management.

Do you really think any interim coach is going to play the rookies? If Theuss gets fired for not getting enough wins, what kind of incentive is there for someone stepping into his shoes to experiment and work on developing young players?

I’m sorry but I’m voting against the general consensus here. Let Reggie see the season out. There is too much risk involved, unless its a blue chip coaching talent who is going to bring something to the franchise. If it’s top shelf and available, make the move, but if its fire Reggie and fire the next guy at the season’s end, it’s going to be a debacle.

" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "

by Bushka on Dec 7, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

You fire him if you think Avery Johnson or someone similar is the answer (and you can convince him to take the job) and you want to commit to the guy as the answer for the next 3-5 years. Otherwise, let’s just play this crappy hand we’ve been dealt and try to turn lemons into lemonade.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 7, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lakers on Tuesday...

All I can say is… for the first time as a STH, I am thinking of ditching my tickets for the game on Tuesday. I want to go and I want to watch – win or lose I enjoy watching the young guys develop their game. But I am not looking forward to the abuse I’ll take in our own building surrounded by Laker fans. If I want abuse while I watch a game, I’ll sit on my couch and listen to my wife scream at me for not having the xmas lights on the house.

As for Reggie – I cannot think of anyone who can replace him. I’d rather have Whiz over Flip or the Little General. I think Avery inherited a pretty good club from Nellie and was unable to sustain it, let alone build young talent. Whiz is a risk, but he has more basketball leadership experience than Reggie. Flip… I just don’t see him as a top notch coach. He had KG in MN and he inherited a damn good Piston team.

I think the best move is for Petrie to place a veteran coach on the bench as an assistant and Reggie has to take it or leave it. Whether it is Whiz or not, who knows. What about Pete C.? Too old? Firing Reggie outright would be satisfying short term, but long term there is not a viable answer at this moment.

by STH114 on Dec 7, 2008 11:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

man

as a fan from australia i’d give my left ball for tickets to a game. It’s like…my wife has said for our tenth anniversary we’ll go to the state and you can go to some games, spurs vs suns , kings vs lakers, anything else thats on schedule and we can go to.

Everytime you don’t go to the game in a fit of pique A FREAKING KANGAROO DIES

" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "

by Bushka on Dec 8, 2008 4:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

that should read to the states...not the state..obviously

" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "

by Bushka on Dec 8, 2008 4:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Super Rec'd
Everytime you don’t go to the game in a fit of pique A FREAKING KANGAROO DIES

That’s good stuff right there.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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