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Bibby Traded to the Hawks

This news broke while I was out, and has been well covered in Matt's diary and the comments to the earlier Atlanta thread below. But for those who (like me) got some air on a Saturday:

The Kings have reached an agreement in principle to send veteran guard Mike Bibby to the Atlanta Hawks for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue and forwards Lorenzen Wright and Shelden Williams, sources told The Bee on Saturday. It was also learned that the Hawks will give the Kings their second-round pick in the June NBA draft.

The deal is contingent upon league approval that could come as early as today. According to sources who did not want to be identified because of ongoing trade discussions, a 1 p.m. conference was scheduled between the two teams and league officials.


The Kings save almost $11 million in 2008-09 salary, which places the Kings right below the projected cap level. As I said this morning, this means they can at the least sign Beno Udrih, and possibly (pending other trades) make a play for another midlevelish free agent.

We'll keep you updated.

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Williams, Jones waived
"Justin Williams and Dahntay Jones were placed on waivers to make room for the new players."

I am assuming this is a temporary thing to make the deal go off. I guess this answers Pookey's question from the other thread.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I'm assuming the team will swap at least Williams, Justin for Wright, Lorenzen... if no one picks him up off waivers.

by Ziller on Feb 16, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

kind of a risk.
I'm not a fan of leaving Williams out there. Wright won't even board a plane. I expect Lue to be waived also but you never know. This is going to be a crazy week and then......chirp, chirp......man this team is horrible.....chirp, chirp.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've said It
I've said it before and I will say it again, if the Kings lose Williams, I think they will be very sorry down the road. Maybe not as big as losing Gerald Wallace but Justin could become a good player in a couple years. I pray we can get him back.

Get rid of Wright!!

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Feb 18, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One Take Pans the Kings End of the Deal
http://obeese.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/bibby-makes-atlanta-eastern-dark-horse/

Here's part of it:

"The unfortunate part of the trade for Sacramento is the lack of purpose it shows.  Unless the team has further moves involving shedding the contracts of Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, or Shareef Abdur-Rahim for cap space and younger players, there was no reason to trade their biggest name for such a mediocre package.  With the new contract Kevin Martin recently signed, the cap space that would have been created by this move, although minor, is instantly negated.  In essence, the team traded one more year of Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Second-Round Pick Also Included
From Melody Gutierrez's writeup on how Kings fans view the trade:

"Fans took their sides Saturday, weighing in after veteran Kings point guard Mike Bibby was traded to Atlanta in exchange for Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright and Shelden Williams and a 2008 second-round draft pick."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bibby's a known quantity
in the twilight of his career; he can barely shoot 40%, which was his only redeeming quality for most of his career.  He was being way overpaid.  Williams is cheap and an unknown.  The deals a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

by thelettere on Feb 16, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Team Dime
will have something to say about that by the end of the season, I think. Bibby'll bounce back in a role in which he can do what he does best - hit big shots.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 16, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

5 points
to the 1st member of the local media that suggests that this trade was made to get everyone off the Royal Court Dancers story.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 16, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Very Nice
Where can I get mine? I want the No. 93 version, however.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Space
An impact player who should really pack them in to Arco :)

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MORE!!!
I want my no.9, no. 33 and no. 3
The Sacramento Kings: Where Amazing Happens!

by kingme18 on Feb 16, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Head Scratcher
I'd love to believe that Petrie knows exactly what he's doing, but I'm just not sure.   Maybe someone with greater knowledge can tell me:  might he package some of the new players with Artest to make another deal?

by jacquetbg on Feb 16, 2008 5:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

CAP SPACE!!!
that's all there is to it.  It's not complicated.  The players we just aquired are not allowed to be traded again until after the season in which case 3/4 will be FAs anyway.
"I drink your milkshake...I drink it up!!!"

by kangsfan on Feb 16, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Advantage: Atlanta
In the short-term, Atlanta gets someone who can take charge of the floor immediately and have a real impact for them.

Sacramento gets what they need.  They can start rebuilding quicker now.  There is no question in anyone's mind -- they are rebuilding.

Beno is a keeper and I think we'll see great things from him.

The scrubs they signed shouldn't last long.  I shouldn't call them all scrubs.  But the only one I particularly like is Tyronn -- he was great in Denver.  But I don't see him as a fit here.

by nbaroto on Feb 16, 2008 5:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A move to appease Artest?
To hopefully keep him in Sac?  I'm out of town, so I don't get the local news, but I was under the assumption they didn't see eye-to-eye.  Perhaps this was made partly as an overture to Artest.

by scottbass on Feb 16, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Marc Stein weighs in
Says some GMs were surprised the Kings didn't get more and hints the Kings will stick with Artest:

"This also divorces the Kings from the last vestiges of their glory years of Bibby, Chris Webber adn Vlade Divac, and establishes Artest as the biggest name in Sactown. Which just might click with Artest and thus prove pretty important if the Kings decide that they're not moving their enigmatic swingman before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=BibbyTrade-080216

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Petrie Puts Spin on Williams
"We're excited about adding another young frontcourt player who was the fifth pick of the 2006 draft in Williams, along with some experienced veterans to the team," Petrie said. "We're looking forward to seeing how they integrate in with the rest of our roster."

Meanwhile, chuckle, chuckle, the Hawks think they now have one of the three best point guards in the Eastern Conference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/sports/basketball/17allstar.html?ref=basketball

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Point Guards in the East
Maybe they are right or at least close, because there is certainly a lack of quality point guards in the East.

Bibby is no Billups or Calderon or even Kidd, but after it that it drops down to guys like Andre Miller, Mo Williams and Antonio Daniels. Boston has Rondo, who's probably their weakest link.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo is no weak link
I think Rajon Rondo is an underrated player in the Celtics' system. Rondo is a good defender has jet-speed and great athleticism.

I'd take Rondo over Mike Bibby right now.

Does anyone want an autographed Mike Bibby jersey?

The Sacramento Kings: Where Amazing Happens!

by kingme18 on Feb 16, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Send your jersey my way.
It will nicely in the man cave I'm building.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn...
beat me for "dibs".
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 16, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jersey
Give me your e-mail address and i'll set up an arrangement.

I'll set up an offer...

The Sacramento Kings: Where Amazing Happens!

by kingme18 on Feb 17, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its easy...
jjham15@hotmail.com

Thanks!

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 17, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Article Mentions Udrih's Upside
"Getting Bibby-like production at a fraction of the cost is what makes this deal work for the Kings because it gives them more financial flexibility heading into this summer's free agent market.

In the final analysis, there's little downside for Atlanta since none of the players they are giving up is going to approach Bibby's contributions and it's about time this young franchise took the next step towards being competitive.  

Sacramento didn't ask for a lot to get rid of Bibby, and that may reflect on the status of his game at this point of his career, but any real rewards to be reaped from this deal will come from the future contributions of Beno Udrih and whomever the Kings sign in free agency in the summer."

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=229859&hubname=fantasy_news

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Of course
Atlanta "wins" this trade. It's Bibby for nothing, right?

But the "experts" fail to delve into the fact that the Kings extracated themselves from a fat contract, which was crucial heading into next year.

The "experts" also failed to mention that the Kings have Williams for one year (after this one). They have the option to give him a 2nd year, and they can make a qualifying offer the following year. So if he does not work out he costs us $3.2 million next year. If he does work out we can keep him around.

A word about Williams. When he was drafted a lot of people saw Brand and Boozer in this Duke product. If the Hawks took him too high at #5 so be it, but he probably would have been gone before #10. He's 24 years old.

And these are the same "experts" that have been saying that the Kings need to get on with the rebuilding process.

Yes, Atlanta got the better player, and the $14 million dollar or so contract to go along with him.

The Kings got rid of a bloated contract, and if they're lucky maybe they picked up a player, too.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 16, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agree
However, I think Petrie has a bit of sales job in front of him, because the normal fan looks at this and sees the Kings being cheap and not interested in competing and giving up name players like Bibby for a bunch of nobodies.

They see other teams signing stars at the same time the Kings are shipping out the last tie to their biggest successes. While most people here see it as a good move, the more casual fan might need to be "educated" a bit.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta Writer Drools Over Bibby
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/hawks/entries/2008/02/16/big_thangs_popp.html

"In essence, Knight just traded Shelden Williams (who absolutely had no future with the Hawks with Josh Smith and Al Horford already set as two of the league's best young big men) for one of the league's top 10 point guards (and yes, I already went through the list).

Uh, where do I sign?

Bottom line, Bibby's a monster. He always has been and always will be, mostly because he's one of the few cats in the league who not only embraces performing in pressure-packed situations, he thrives on being the man in those situations."

Wow, who knew? I guess, as they say, you don't know what ya got 'til it's gone.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hehe
Bibby's reputation still precedes him, at least in the Atlanta paper. Do these guys not actually watch any NBA basketball? Bibby's ability to perform in pressure-packed situations has been in question for about 3 seasons now.

Oh, and I hope they enjoy watching the Hawks defense get broken down at the top of the key for about 35 minutes per night.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 17, 2008 6:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Otis
Not to bash on Sekou Smith, but he used stat's from 2002 to say Bibby is a killer. There is no way the KIngs would trade the 2002 Bibby under any scenario.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 17, 2008 6:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More from Petrie
in Amick's blog.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/010647.html

Petrie sounds like they may keep both point guards as well as Williams and that the deal "puts Beno (Udrih) back out there the way he was before."

He also talks more about Williams' upside.

No mention of Artest, although Amick says he will blog about that Monday and is also going to report on what Udrih says about how the deal could impact him and his future in Sacramento.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and the award goes to....
...coolcat for 50 plus posts in one day!

Congratulations!! You are the winner of the lifelacker award!!

J/K

"I drink your milkshake...I drink it up!!!"

by kangsfan on Feb 16, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's like a big cable knit sweater
That someone keeps knitting...and knitting...and knitting...
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 16, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brevity
is the soul of wit.-William Shakespeare
TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 16, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not the itching -
It's the swelling. - David Letterman
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 16, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too
The worst case is that we're stuck with another PF for one more year.

by SavageBeast on Feb 16, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do we need to bring Williams back now?
Or do we stick with stick with Shelden?

by SavageBeast on Feb 16, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that
could be confusing

by SavageBeast on Feb 16, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
I guess coolcatitus is contagious. I feel the need to link to something again and again.

by SavageBeast on Feb 16, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Problem Sonny
Say goodnight to Cher for me.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
Thanks for all the links coolcat... makes my life easier, I can just look at this thread for the latest.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 16, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem bud
I've been working all day, and still am, and as they say, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. I was interested in what folks thought about the trade and it wasn't much effort to post what I was reading here as well.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3-Will and Jones waived
I saw this on SacBee.com:

"Justin Williams and Dahntay Jones were placed on waivers to make room for the new players. "

by KingsFan on Feb 16, 2008 10:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

horrible trade
couldnt even get rid of k-9s contract

I am hoping they have something else set up otherwise they traded bibby for 2 career back up pgs and 2 big men 1st round bust... pointless even if its addition by subtraction

gotta believe they coulda got more for bibby

by thebitb on Feb 16, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Even Isaiah Thomas
Wouldn't have taken on Bibby and K-9s contracts. The idea that Petrie should have been able to send KT out with Bibby is nuts.

Now Artest - that's another story. If he does a similar deal with Artest and doesn't include KT at the same time, I'll be pretty disappointed.

This deal is just fine as is, we get to see if Beno can handle the starting PG position over the remainder of the season, and we have a bit of cap flexibility to use down the road.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 17, 2008 6:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one is asking the real question...
Now that the Kings are clearing up some cap space, which mediocre player will we sacrifice it on by signing them to a 5-year MLE contract?
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by DB on Feb 16, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Josh
Childress!
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 17, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was time
It was time for Bibby to go.

This trade reminds me of when Webber left.  I felt sad, for it was the end of an era.  But I felt happy because we were moving on.  

In the NFL, the Patriots are praised for knowing when to cut ties with veterans.  And yet, the Kings receive no such praise.  Perhaps it will someday come with winning.  Hopefully we'll have the wins necessary to receive such praise.

Bibby was long the guy I pretended to be while playing basketball in the street.  I would peel around the imaginary screen and hit the mid-range jumper.  But as pookeyguru recently pointed out, Bibby changed a few years ago.  Goodbye Mike, you treated us well.

Was Sheldon Williams taken too high in the draft?  Yes.  No doubt.  Can he help the defense?  Probably.  As long as he gets more playing time than Justin Williams, he will make a larger impact.  StR loved Justin Williams, but if he never got playing time, what good was he?  Potential is great, but when do we look at reality and production that is not measured in "per 40 minutes" averages?

Bibby's departure gives Beno the full-time slot he showed he deserves.  We have a point guard who passes first.  This is something that Bibby's "DIME" tattoo failed to remind him to do recently.  

Lue and Johnson will most likely be waived.  Lorenzen Wright will probably join them.  Shelden Williams will probably be gone in a year or two.  Who cares?  We've been begging for cap space.  We've been begging to have Bibby/Artest/Thomas and/or Miller leave.  We have our wish.  We gained cap space.  We got young guys with expiring contracts.

Will Artest, Thomas, and/or Miller stay?  Who knows.  This could be simply the beginning.  It could be the end for this trade season.  But as my signoff says, In Geoff We Trust.  This alone is why I can stand to be a Kings fan.  Because I trust our GM.  It's why I'm an A's fan, I trust Billy Beane.  It why I'm sad to be a 49ers fan, I don't know what is going on.  But I am confident as a Kings fan, that even if this is not our year, our time is coming.

In Geoff we trust.

In Geoff we trust.

Thanks for the good times Mike.

In Geoff we trust.

In Geoff we trust...

by Exhibit G on Feb 16, 2008 11:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good Trade For the Kings
This was a good trade. I had serious doubts that Bibby could be moved and I would have taken less. Shelden Williams will be around next season but his contract is rather insignificant.  None of these Ex-Hawks will fit into the Kings' rebuilding future.  

The only value I see in the other three incoming players is that their contracts are expiring.

The real gain was dumping Bibby's salary.  (next year, the cap room created will be pretty much absorbed by re-signing Udrih and taking care of Martin's new contract.)

Petrie should have greater flexibility in 2009 - 20l0 when several other key contracts are due to expire.

I hated losing J. Williams--no easy way to save him or pick him up again soon.  I wonder if it would be possible to buy out a contract and reclaim Justin that way.

by aspen on Feb 17, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hawks-Bibby Honeymoon
It could be pretty short as the Hawks open a five-game Western road swing Tuesday. They get at Lakers, at Kings (Wed), at Golden State, at Utah and at San Antonio.

They'll be favored to lose all five, and even if they manage to salvage a win on the trip, they could go home to face the Kings again Feb. 27 with a 22-32 record. Of course, they are in the East, so even that might not bury their hopes for a playoff berth.

It will be interesting to see how Beno does against Bibby and vice versa.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 17, 2008 12:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BIBBY FINALLY TRADED!
Bibby has wanted to be traded since Webber has left.  He quit playing a couple years ago.  Since he broke his foot he never enters the lane like he did in college and he would always pull up to hit the three.  Bibby can hit three's (when he is open!) but will get blocked when he is not...My boy knows Bibby and Bibby had wanted to be traded to the Laker's or the Suns since the beginning of last year!  He was lazy and it is time for the young talented KING's to shine!! I love the trade!  The next trade we need to make is Ron Artest who also wants to be traded but he is a baller and I don't want to see him go!  F*#k the Maloof's!  They don't want to put money into the king's until Sacramento gives them a new arena!

Im out!

MONEY MAN!

by MONEY on Feb 18, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I guess this means Otis' displeasure
isn't solely owned. Congrats Otis you have a friend. (HaHaHaHa)
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful
And one that seems to have an unlimited quota of exclamation points.

!!!

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rotf
That's hilarious.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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