Bibby Traded to the Hawks
This news broke while I was out, and has been well covered in Matt's diary and the comments to the earlier Atlanta thread below. But for those who (like me) got some air on a Saturday:
The deal is contingent upon league approval that could come as early as today. According to sources who did not want to be identified because of ongoing trade discussions, a 1 p.m. conference was scheduled between the two teams and league officials.
The Kings save almost $11 million in 2008-09 salary, which places the Kings right below the projected cap level. As I said this morning, this means they can at the least sign Beno Udrih, and possibly (pending other trades) make a play for another midlevelish free agent.
We'll keep you updated.
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Williams, Jones waived
I am assuming this is a temporary thing to make the deal go off. I guess this answers Pookey's question from the other thread.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions
Thanks
kind of a risk.
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 16, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I've said It
Get rid of Wright!!
One Take Pans the Kings End of the Deal
Here's part of it:
"The unfortunate part of the trade for Sacramento is the lack of purpose it shows. Unless the team has further moves involving shedding the contracts of Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, or Shareef Abdur-Rahim for cap space and younger players, there was no reason to trade their biggest name for such a mediocre package. With the new contract Kevin Martin recently signed, the cap space that would have been created by this move, although minor, is instantly negated. In essence, the team traded one more year of Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions
Second-Round Pick Also Included
"Fans took their sides Saturday, weighing in after veteran Kings point guard Mike Bibby was traded to Atlanta in exchange for Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright and Shelden Williams and a 2008 second-round draft pick."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions
Another who thinks Hawks did better
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 4:44 PM PST reply actions
Bibby's a known quantity
5 points
Very Nice
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Mr. Space
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Head Scratcher
CAP SPACE!!!
Advantage: Atlanta
Sacramento gets what they need. They can start rebuilding quicker now. There is no question in anyone's mind -- they are rebuilding.
Beno is a keeper and I think we'll see great things from him.
The scrubs they signed shouldn't last long. I shouldn't call them all scrubs. But the only one I particularly like is Tyronn -- he was great in Denver. But I don't see him as a fit here.
by nbaroto on Feb 16, 2008 5:48 PM PST reply actions
A move to appease Artest?
by scottbass @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 16, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions
Marc Stein weighs in
"This also divorces the Kings from the last vestiges of their glory years of Bibby, Chris Webber adn Vlade Divac, and establishes Artest as the biggest name in Sactown. Which just might click with Artest and thus prove pretty important if the Kings decide that they're not moving their enigmatic swingman before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=BibbyTrade-080216
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply actions
Petrie Puts Spin on Williams
Meanwhile, chuckle, chuckle, the Hawks think they now have one of the three best point guards in the Eastern Conference.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/sports/basketball/17allstar.html?ref=basketball
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions
Point Guards in the East
Bibby is no Billups or Calderon or even Kidd, but after it that it drops down to guys like Andre Miller, Mo Williams and Antonio Daniels. Boston has Rondo, who's probably their weakest link.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Rondo is no weak link
I'd take Rondo over Mike Bibby right now.
Does anyone want an autographed Mike Bibby jersey?
Send your jersey my way.
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 16, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Jersey
I'll set up an offer...
its easy...
Thanks!
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 17, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Another Article Mentions Udrih's Upside
In the final analysis, there's little downside for Atlanta since none of the players they are giving up is going to approach Bibby's contributions and it's about time this young franchise took the next step towards being competitive.
Sacramento didn't ask for a lot to get rid of Bibby, and that may reflect on the status of his game at this point of his career, but any real rewards to be reaped from this deal will come from the future contributions of Beno Udrih and whomever the Kings sign in free agency in the summer."
http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=229859&hubname=fantasy_news
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions
Of course
But the "experts" fail to delve into the fact that the Kings extracated themselves from a fat contract, which was crucial heading into next year.
The "experts" also failed to mention that the Kings have Williams for one year (after this one). They have the option to give him a 2nd year, and they can make a qualifying offer the following year. So if he does not work out he costs us $3.2 million next year. If he does work out we can keep him around.
A word about Williams. When he was drafted a lot of people saw Brand and Boozer in this Duke product. If the Hawks took him too high at #5 so be it, but he probably would have been gone before #10. He's 24 years old.
And these are the same "experts" that have been saying that the Kings need to get on with the rebuilding process.
Yes, Atlanta got the better player, and the $14 million dollar or so contract to go along with him.
The Kings got rid of a bloated contract, and if they're lucky maybe they picked up a player, too.
Agree
They see other teams signing stars at the same time the Kings are shipping out the last tie to their biggest successes. While most people here see it as a good move, the more casual fan might need to be "educated" a bit.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta Writer Drools Over Bibby
"In essence, Knight just traded Shelden Williams (who absolutely had no future with the Hawks with Josh Smith and Al Horford already set as two of the league's best young big men) for one of the league's top 10 point guards (and yes, I already went through the list).
Uh, where do I sign?
Bottom line, Bibby's a monster. He always has been and always will be, mostly because he's one of the few cats in the league who not only embraces performing in pressure-packed situations, he thrives on being the man in those situations."
Wow, who knew? I guess, as they say, you don't know what ya got 'til it's gone.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:06 PM PST reply actions
hehe
Oh, and I hope they enjoy watching the Hawks defense get broken down at the top of the key for about 35 minutes per night.
Otis
More from Petrie
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/010647.html
Petrie sounds like they may keep both point guards as well as Williams and that the deal "puts Beno (Udrih) back out there the way he was before."
He also talks more about Williams' upside.
No mention of Artest, although Amick says he will blog about that Monday and is also going to report on what Udrih says about how the deal could impact him and his future in Sacramento.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 7:48 PM PST reply actions
and the award goes to....
Congratulations!! You are the winner of the lifelacker award!!
J/K
It's like a big cable knit sweater
Brevity
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 16, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
It's not the itching -
No Problem Sonny
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
No problem bud
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
3-Will and Jones waived
"Justin Williams and Dahntay Jones were placed on waivers to make room for the new players. "
horrible trade
I am hoping they have something else set up otherwise they traded bibby for 2 career back up pgs and 2 big men 1st round bust... pointless even if its addition by subtraction
gotta believe they coulda got more for bibby
by Eddie Gonzalez on Feb 16, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions
Even Isaiah Thomas
Now Artest - that's another story. If he does a similar deal with Artest and doesn't include KT at the same time, I'll be pretty disappointed.
This deal is just fine as is, we get to see if Beno can handle the starting PG position over the remainder of the season, and we have a bit of cap flexibility to use down the road.
No one is asking the real question...
by DB on Feb 16, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions
It was time
This trade reminds me of when Webber left. I felt sad, for it was the end of an era. But I felt happy because we were moving on.
In the NFL, the Patriots are praised for knowing when to cut ties with veterans. And yet, the Kings receive no such praise. Perhaps it will someday come with winning. Hopefully we'll have the wins necessary to receive such praise.
Bibby was long the guy I pretended to be while playing basketball in the street. I would peel around the imaginary screen and hit the mid-range jumper. But as pookeyguru recently pointed out, Bibby changed a few years ago. Goodbye Mike, you treated us well.
Was Sheldon Williams taken too high in the draft? Yes. No doubt. Can he help the defense? Probably. As long as he gets more playing time than Justin Williams, he will make a larger impact. StR loved Justin Williams, but if he never got playing time, what good was he? Potential is great, but when do we look at reality and production that is not measured in "per 40 minutes" averages?
Bibby's departure gives Beno the full-time slot he showed he deserves. We have a point guard who passes first. This is something that Bibby's "DIME" tattoo failed to remind him to do recently.
Lue and Johnson will most likely be waived. Lorenzen Wright will probably join them. Shelden Williams will probably be gone in a year or two. Who cares? We've been begging for cap space. We've been begging to have Bibby/Artest/Thomas and/or Miller leave. We have our wish. We gained cap space. We got young guys with expiring contracts.
Will Artest, Thomas, and/or Miller stay? Who knows. This could be simply the beginning. It could be the end for this trade season. But as my signoff says, In Geoff We Trust. This alone is why I can stand to be a Kings fan. Because I trust our GM. It's why I'm an A's fan, I trust Billy Beane. It why I'm sad to be a 49ers fan, I don't know what is going on. But I am confident as a Kings fan, that even if this is not our year, our time is coming.
In Geoff we trust.
In Geoff we trust.
Thanks for the good times Mike.
In Geoff we trust.
Good Trade For the Kings
The only value I see in the other three incoming players is that their contracts are expiring.
The real gain was dumping Bibby's salary. (next year, the cap room created will be pretty much absorbed by re-signing Udrih and taking care of Martin's new contract.)
Petrie should have greater flexibility in 2009 - 20l0 when several other key contracts are due to expire.
I hated losing J. Williams--no easy way to save him or pick him up again soon. I wonder if it would be possible to buy out a contract and reclaim Justin that way.
Hawks-Bibby Honeymoon
They'll be favored to lose all five, and even if they manage to salvage a win on the trip, they could go home to face the Kings again Feb. 27 with a 22-32 record. Of course, they are in the East, so even that might not bury their hopes for a playoff berth.
It will be interesting to see how Beno does against Bibby and vice versa.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 17, 2008 12:24 AM PST reply actions
Last two Bee articles
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/718720.html
Voisin looks back on Bibby:
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/718724.html
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 17, 2008 1:37 AM PST reply actions
BIBBY FINALLY TRADED!
Im out!
by MONEY on Feb 18, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions

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