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Does Artest have Free Agent options?

Since section sorta asked me already, and at that time I had other priorities (which included skipping watching the rest of the Kings-Hawks game), I'm going to get around to writing this now I suppose.

Here is Hoopshype's salary info. Look any other team up if you want background info on what I'm talking about. I'm too tired/lazy to bring it all up for you. It's all been posted on TZ's main page posts, or I've provided the hoopshype links for you to figure other stuff out.

First off if you notice for next season the Kings currently have 48 million + for salary already committed before Kevin Martin's extension kicks in, and Mikki Moore's salary is added to the page. Conservative guestimate's could easily say the combined salary will ready 15-16 million. That's at 64 million as is. Given that BRI will probably go up a little, but not too much, you will probably have a salary cap of 57-59 million. So if Artest opts out, you probably won't have any real salary cap room anyway. You will still have to sign Beno Udrih, and whatever rookie you bring in as well. In otherwords, all keeping Artest will do is prolong the process. I'm all for skipping the prolonged version even if Petrie's patience in dealing Bibby led to a better deal for the team this deadline than the previous year.

Here are the options for Ron Artest assuming he DOESN'T get traded by Noon today.

  1. He opts out and signs with another team that is under the cap or the Mid Level Exception
  2. He opts out and manages to get a sign & trade (s&t)
  3. He doesn't opt out and the Kings keep him until at least the summer sometime when they decide to either keep or trade him at that point
Now I personally believe that Petrie would be crazy to dump Artest for Najera and Jr Smith. That does nothing for the Kings in any way. There is no reason to settle for the Nuggets personal wish offer.

I do think Petrie has to consider the ramifications of not doing such a deal too. First off the team is already deep in swingmen, and second they're much easier to draft in lower picks in the 1st round than any other position in the lower 1st round.

I also think that the Nuggets are playing chicken with Petrie to scare him. Petrie won't budge because that's just the way he is. He won't budge on principle, and he'll live with keeping Artest around because the deals he was offered didn't "blow him away". That's a colossal mistake, but it's his mistake to make. Which will also have the simultaneous effect of making me scratch my head about 8 billion times between now & July at the earliest.

Don't mistake me here. I'm not about Petrie scrapping his famed patience to deal Artest because he has to. I just don't like Denver's offer period. I don't want Kleiza, and I damn sure have no interest in JR Smith or Eddie Najera. I just don't like their package in any way. And Petrie apparently isn't interested without Kleiza.

I do think the Suns are an alternate opportunity that begs better looking at if the deadline wasn't almost 10 hours as I write this particular paragraph. Because they're going for broke, and because they could facilitate something worthwhile for themselves with Artest down the road also, it might be worth it for them. Especially if they can figure out where to Put Artest on the court with certain players (like Stoudemire and Shaq particularly). I think he would be a nice compliment to Diaw, and I think the Kings would be stupid to turn down the trade exception + the 1st rounder for him, but hey I've been wrong before.

I think Petrie is setting himself up for serious danger with Artest down the road. Artest wants a payday, but what happens if he realizes before the end of the season that isn't going to happen? What if his agent advises Ron against opting out? Ron is a great talent, but he's also a great divider. People here are so bitterly split about Ron it isn't funny. It leads to bitter conversation in other places that it doesn't need to. The fact that Ron is that a divisive a personality says alot about where his value is. Mark Warkentian was part of the Blazer talent squad that put the "Jail Blazers" together. I also think George Karl is using his influence with Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, the same way he did to snake emerge from the shadows to take the job from Jeff Bzdelik. I think the power play here is being used by Karl. He wants Artest at a price. Warkentian wants Artest. However, that a personal feeling after reading some of Amick's comments on the whole situation. I don't like Denver's part, and while Linas Kleiza is a player that is useful, at what cost does it come to the Kings for that to happen? Quincy Douby (perhaps a worthwhile casualty) or Francisco Garcia? What about John Salmons? What about Kleiza himself? Or Shelden Williams or Spencer Hawes to a degree? There is some cost here that Petrie must think about. This is of course doesn't mention the bind this puts Reggie Theus in after watching a veteran core, and favoring it for the most part in an attempt to win now, dissembled into a young core for the future. As I say I don't like this deal. It doesn't add to a position of need with a young player, and worse the Nuggets are fighting tooth & nail against it.

I don't really want to go on & on about Houston's offer. I think it would benefit the Kings to look at Aaron Brooks and Luis Scola as a package for Artest. Certainly it's a possibility if the Rockets indeed did trade for Bobby Jackson shipping out Mike James and Bonzi Wells in the process. There would be a place for Artest there.

The cap ramifications of keeping Artest is simple. They'll pay the luxury tax for next season. You can't resign Beno Udrih, if you choose, and re-sign Ron Artest to a 10 million contract. Frankly, given Artest's un-availability over the course of his career, he would be the LAST player I would want to put this kind of money in. And Beno Udrih is exactly the kind of player I would love to see the Kings spend 5 years of the MLE on. That would be a signing done out of need coupled future knowledge that it could become a bargain.

I think the roster ramifications are equally as important. Salmons needs starter minutes to be effective (which he has been). Artest is a starter. Cisco needs more minutes, and Theus needs time to figure out his rotation under any deal that re-configures the roster again. I like any potential deal with Houston because you can use Scola in a package with either Kenny Thomas or Mikki Moore next season to cut salary or make time for a young draft pick coming in. In other words giving this team flexibility was the goal of the Mike Bibby trade. If Artest isn't traded that flexibility doesn't exist, and only prolongs the agony of the debate of what Artest is really worth. I'm tired of that debate and would prefer another fan base to spearhead that argument from now on.

In summary this is what I would prefer to see. Artest traded to Houston or Phoenix (I'd still prefer Golden State but that seems dead so screw it). I don't want to see a Denver trade because keeping Artest won't be any significant change over what's already happened. If that happens I will cross my fingers he opts out and Petrie IMMEDIATELY renounces the right to Artest the second he does. That's my only guiding light, besides a very difficult to pull off trade in the waning hours of the deadline. I hoped for a Bibby trade for the last year & half. Maybe I'll get a quicker version of luck this time around.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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What are you thinking?
Don't you know that Artest had 29 points last night?? Don't you?? ;)
Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 5:47 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, no...
careful
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we've tackled a similar subject before...
So, for those who need a quick refresher, check section's diary Ron Artest about him opting out.

In it, I argue Ron wasn't going to get paid to the level people automatically assumed he was (unless we sign-and-trade him, but even then), nor were we going to get any real sort of value for him. Key to my arguments was the lack of cap space round the league and talented class of free agents hitting it this summer. They'res not that much money going around - which pookey points to in this diary. That conversation was awhile back though, so much of what was said changed b/c of the major player trades.

I don't know what I'd prefer to see right now as far as Artests future (I know what I can dream, but that's a much different story). But if the Nuggets don't want to give up Linas Kleiza for him, then how is he going to earn 10+ mill in the off-season? I don't see it happening. If it does happen, I'll be amazed, as I thought the league was getting smarter than that. Anything till then is a bunch of question marks.

This conversation can get a whole lot more concrete in a few hours, though. I'll wait till then before more significant commenting.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flaw in your logic
Denver's decision not to include Kleiza may have had just as much to do with Ron-Ron's ability to opt out this summer. And that is an issue that is probably preventing most GMs from returning fair value for Artest.

But that doesn't mean he won't be a popular free agent over the summer. If he plays out the rest of the season incident free, then opts out, you can bet there will be teams ready to take a chance on him. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him get a $10 million per year offer, but I'd be surprised if any of those offers were in excess of 3 years.

He's a top-25 talent in the league, and he's still young. Someone will pony up the cash...

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 6:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really hope
that you are correct in that statement. I really really hope you are. It's my only hope now. I'm clinging to a thread, and I may as well jump while I've got the leverage.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

flaw in your logic
Not to completely disagree, but I kind of do. I think Artest's value is very high (relatively) right now BECAUSE of the fact that his contract ends this year.  Teams can take  a 3-4 month rental on him and then decide later.  If his contract was through next year or longer it would be even tougher to get rid of him.
  I also don't see him getting the kind of money (10 mil a year) he is expecting and wouldn't be suprised if his agent realized that and advised him not to opt out.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 7:34 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure that makes sense
Why give back a lot of value for Artest if you aren't sure he will be around for more than 3-4 months? That's how GMs get fired.

Not many franchises are going to give up solid talent for an Artest rental, unless they are pretty close to a championship caliber squad.  That doesn't leave very many suspects, IMO.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 8:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your new Sig is awesome Otis
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 1:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mean to challenge like that and leave...
but its bed time in Suzhou, I'll be back in 10 hours

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 7:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it can work for and against.
If a team is giving up things they don't really need anyway--expiring contracts, draft picks, youngs they aren't using much--they could be happy with the rental option.

On the other hand, a team like Denver could be thinking that they give up a good player and potentially have nothing to show for it next year.

by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 7:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be nice to see
the Kings move Salmons and Mikki before the deadline for some expirings. Both are expendable if they keep Artest, and that would help address the money issues.
Disclaimer: This post may be a complete and utter waste of your valuable time.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 7:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salmons yes. Mikki no.
If you really plan on keeping Artest past this year (and there's a good chance that might be beyond your control) then it makes no sense to keep Salmons. But unless, you think Sheldon is guaranteed to get much better on offense, trading Mikki leaves you with no true PF. Of course we've been playing Artest at PF, but you can only get away with that against certain teams. And I definitely don't want K9 to get off the bench.

The problem is if you trade Salmons and then Artest gets a $12m deal somewhere else. Or even a $10m five year deal. If Artest walks and Salmons is gone, you have a serious hole.

And I knowl, I know, you'd say sign Artest long term for big bucks. I'm just not that brave.

by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 8:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PFs
Besides Williams, remember we also have Spencer Hawes, and the Kings will probably end up drafting Darnell Arthur, Kevin Love or Brook Lopez. They could also keep Lorenzen Wright or add Justin Williams back to the mix if he's not picked up. And, as you mentioned, Artest can also man the 4.

If someone else signs Artest, you sign another small forward and Francisco becomes your starter in the meantime.

Disclaimer: This post may be a complete and utter waste of your valuable time.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:20 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Ron leaves sac
and goes to a team where his skill set is appreciated... Salmons is the answer??? I dont think Salmons can do what truwarier does....
"for some reason.. everybody hatin' me"

by dartest51 on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know, dude
Next home game: I get him to lay on a table, you throw the beer. See if he's still got it in him.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 4:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then, at the next game
Pull the same ish with Salmons. I think we judge the outcome on these levels: fan involvement, media air time, punch-efficiency-rating, whether Stephen Jackson manages to get involved anyway, "Clutch" factor (can he keep going after Security starts double-teaming? Does he stomp on people when they're on the ground?), whether he creates oppurtunities for his teammates (via the choke-and-stomp, the hold-them-while-their-down-and-teammate-stomps, the throw-the-fool-into-a-crowd, and setting picks - sidestepping as a much bigger player comes flying in for the punch).

I know Salmons is smaller, is considered to have less tenacity, and doesn't have the nasty edge, but give the kid a chance: He's payed less, so I'm sure that ticks him off. Plus, the dude is named "Bad Beard". He can get crazy.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!
Cruel, but funny as hell. Gotta admit if I was @ work and someone gob-smacked me with a soda, I'm jumping out and whoopin' his ass hard too, cash or no.
The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Feb 21, 2008 5:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There isn't enough money in the world...
For me to lob a beer at Ron-ron in that situation. Think about it this way. Who in the NBA, would fight him one on one. You've got to think that Only Dwight Howard has the physical build to keep up with him, but he doesn't have the crazy like ron-ron. Even Shaq may not stand up to a beer-tossed Ron Artest. And I'm no Shaq or D. Howard.
Warning: StR may actually lead to familial disputes. - TZ

by killerking on Feb 22, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mmm...
Beer tossed Ron Artest...aaahhh!!! - Homer Simpson
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 22, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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