Thursday Footnotes

by Ziller on Feb 7, 2008 11:03 AM PST in Footnotes Comment 44 comments

Kevin Martin's got a new set of Nikes out there, pictured above. Thanks to The Blowtorch for the heads up.
Speaking of Martin: Prior to last night, he'd never taken at least 10 FGAs and hit less than two. Actually, only two other times had he ever taken at least 10 FGAs and scored less than 10 points: a 2-10, 9-point game against Minnesota last March, and 2-10, 6-point performance against Seattle in 2006. Kobe Bryant has 11 such games in his career, including one this week.
Hey look, it's Indiana native Jerry Reynolds rapping Bob Knight on the knuckles! ""I think Bob Knight was a bully to a lot of little people, the office workers, the lesser players." Coach Reynolds was about the exact opposite of Knight.
Will Brinson tipped me off to USA Today's assessment of the greatest players in franchise history. Worth noting: The Big O narrowly beats Tiny Archibald among the reader vote, and Reynolds' top five omits Oscar Robertson and Mitch Richmond for... Wayne Embry (who was great, but not Big O/Rock great). Peja Stojakovic doesn't even make the ballot. Richmond, Chris Webber and Wayman Tisdale are the only Sacramento-era players on the ballot; Webber was a unanimous first-team all-Kings pick.
Skeets got to interview Ernie Johnson. Good stuff. Also, Marv Albert will be with TNT through 2016. That's a long-term contract I can get behind.
No decision on a Kevin Johnson mayoral run as of yet.

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Regarding USA Today's List

They have Reynolds selecting Embry as one of his top five's but when Reynolds comments on his top five he mentions Richmond instead of Embry. Maybe USA Today screwed up where they placed the check marks.

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by section214 on Feb 7, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

True

That's possible. Or maybe Reynolds picked eight players for his top five.

by Ziller on Feb 7, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he omitted oscar either

He called him one of the best if not the best basketball players ever. (Plus Jerry if nothing else is an Indiana homer. Big O is after all a Hoosier.)

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know this is a dumb question...

But can you think of any reason we wouldn't want to trade for Udonis Haslem?

Miami just got Marion, so they seem to have an extra PF lying around, and when you combine that with the headline that LBJ is screaming for help (ESPN headline) and a blonde messing around with the trade machine, you get this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~61~2477~2184~2992~601~796&teams=14~ 5~23~23~14~23~23&te=&cash=

Which, I know, opens me up to coolcat accusing me of sniffing glue, but hey, who says I don't?

Critique away.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing

that the Heat will return Marion back to his more normal 3 position, and with Shaq gone the Heat hardly have anyone physical underneath other than Haslem, who is currently out with a bad ankle. He'd be a nice addition, though I don't like the fact that he can't even average a block a game in 37+ minutes per night.

Oh, and stop bogarting the glue - pass it, already!

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by section214 on Feb 7, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem, as I see it

Is that there's no way to trade Bibby to Cleveland or anyplace else, for that matter, without a third team involved, because anyone who matches his salary is either the team superstar or has an unreasonably bloated, dare I say Bibbiridiculous, contract.

A second problem is that there are fewer than five teams in the league who could trade for Artest without their season ticket holders bolting for the doors. One possibility would be Atlanta, because they don't have a huge fanbase to alienate.

But, seriously, skilled as he is, unless you view Artest as the missing link between you and a championship THIS YEAR, who risks that trade? Unless he's happy with the situation and still satisfied with the money, he opts out.

I hope Petrie has something up his sleeve, because I couldn't find anything viable using the trade machine, and that's an hour of my life I'll never get back.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's not true LPA

Earl Watson & Kurt Thomas work quite well in that regard noting that Watson has 6.2 & 6.6 Mil on his contract the next 2 seasons.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I could live with Thomas

But I'm not a huge Watson fan. I know he lit us up last night (is anyone else sick of having guys have career nights against us?) but he's never been considered as a top 10-15 pg.

Thomas seems to fit with our style of play, a big man with a decent outside shot. But I don't know if I could handle watching him and Miller on the floor at the same time after a call didn't go the Kings' way. They both have that same "someone jacked my ice cream" pout thing going. I thought Thomas was going to burst into tears at one point last night. And they were winning at the time.

So considering we need (NEED!) a power forward, who would be your top five guys that we could realistically trade for with the pieces that are widely considered to be on the block?

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody of substance that would enthrall you

My recent diary addressed all this already (there's a shameless plug-in if I ever have one).

Bibby won't merit a top 10 PG in return. Or anything of serious substance. I'd be THRILLED to get Watson & Thomas in return.

Artest is too loopy to merit anything of All Star quality save cap room and a young talent like Brandan Wright.

Trading Brad Miller is good for cap purposes, but perhaps not your enjoyment over the League Pass purposes.

Your answer? It's not realistic.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well crap...

I just came crashing down from my glue high.

I would prefer to keep Miller, being the only consistently good big man we have.

And I've given up on trading Kenny Thomas, because, really, who's that stupid? Ok, ok, Isiah, but who else?

So Bibby for Watson and Thomas, I'll give you that, because it addresses two needs, but where are you going to ship Artest?

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's all

here.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, I read it

And I totally see where you're going. Even with trading Miller.

So I have another dumb question. I counted 20 guys in purple when all's said and done. Even if you waive Thomas, there's 19 until July. So what's the plan?

And I agree, too, about Calderon. Toronto would obviously make the required matching offer and keep him.

And finally, CC called you Pookie in one of his posts in your diary. Wouldn't that be like calling you Chris Everett? Because everybody knows that boys always spell it -ey.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Even tho ur a female I knew you could count

Tyrus Thomas is making Matt a happy man tonight.

As far as the whole 20 player thing you would have to release some of those guys. Thomas, Herrmann, Hunter, Murray at a minimum. (And it was 19 not 20 guys on the roster after all 3 trades.)

LPA, I like you and everything, but you're wrong about Calderon. He isn't a restricted FA. He's free to sign with whoever he chooses.

And last but not least glue sniffing crackheads can't insult me. He isn't alone in calling me Pookie either. The whole name to begin with is a joke. I don't care if people make fun of it.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pookey

Pookie was probably just a typo. It wasn't meant to flame you by any stretch. Touchy, touchy combined with "innocent" bystanders stoking the fire -- just what I need.

I think I need to get on the horn with Rodney King or something :)

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 7, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

A name is a name is a name. Call me whatever you want.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Talk about touchy!

I wasn't "stoking the fire," I was joking around, being sarcastic, whatever you want to call it. You've said some pretty nasty things to me over the past few days, and I've let them slide, because I'm probably one of the nicest people on the planet, and you really have to work harder than that to insult me. But seriously, unless I ran over your dog last week or something, I think the personal attacks have gone far enough.

Anything I've ever said that you took as insulting, I apologize for (again), but I promise it was never meant in a malicious way, because I'm not a malicious person.

So call Rodney King if it helps you, but everyone else seems to manage to disagree without taking things so personally. Lighten up.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I'm willing to cut coolcat some slack, since JJ and Pookey have been hammering away at him pretty good. I think he's actually pretty well kept his cool (har har) with just a few snide remarks thrown in from time to time, considering the amount of crap he's taking.

I disagree with about 90% of the trade stuff he throws out there, but at least it seems (in my opinion) to be well thought out and well written. He just has a different philosophy than most of the rest of us here.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Otis

I agree with allowing opposing viewpoints, and I won't trample on someone for having an opposing opinion solely. I have no issue with those. (Hoops & I disagree on Bibby but he's entitled to his belief.) What I find difficult with coolcat is the approach taken. And it's seemingly inconsistent with everything he says from one day to the next.

Consistency is all I ask for in these types of discussions.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2008 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't say I disagree

He's way out there on a lot of things, true. But I think he's taken quite a bit of abuse lately and handled it pretty well, that's all. He's gotten a bit prickly at times, but hasn't really gone ad-hominem that I've seen. Or at least not in the ratio he's received it.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 8, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the vote of confidence

And sorry I miscounted. Long day.

I haven't researched the free agent market enough to know offhand who's restricted and who's not, so thanks for the heads-up.

As for your name, while I might be curious as to how you chose that particular name, I'd never make fun. That would be rude. I just thought the whole ie/ey thing was funny.

Like I said, long day.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone's entitled No Worries

(If we started counting my mistakes we'd be here all week for 8 hours a day.)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

if he was pookie

then he couldn't be in charle's five.

... and isn't that the greatest insult of them all?

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by iashwash on Feb 8, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of Bibby and Artest

Bibby may be more tradeable when he becomes expiring contract. Remember, Ratleff was a big part of the KG trade, and he was just a high priced piece of meat. Bibby can still play.

I think Artest has more value because he is a rent a player. Most playoff bound teams could use him. It's working out the actual trade that is the sticking point.

That said, I still feel that there is less than a 30% chance that we get a deal done before the deadline. The good news is that I gave even lower odds on both the Webber signing and the Shaq trade. They say that celebrity deaths and my being wrong comes in three's, so there is still hope.

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by section214 on Feb 7, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You've only been wrong twice?

That's impressive.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This

week (and I was sick the first couple of days).

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by section214 on Feb 7, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Did you help with the dishes, too?

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Always

Mrs. section214 out earns me - I'm a kept man.

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by section214 on Feb 7, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The truth comes out. S214 is actually

Kevin Federline... No wait Bill Clinton... Doug Christie?

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 7, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget

That the monikor "Mrs. Section" could be prison jargon. ;)

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 8, 2008 5:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ha!

Insert penal/penile system joke here.

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by section214 on Feb 8, 2008 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be willing to bet

that your daughter thinks your jokes suck. (I say keep em comin. Corny jokes never hurt me.)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2008 7:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

but her friends think I'm funny, so it doubles her annoyance factor.

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by section214 on Feb 8, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think JJ's sig kinda says it all

"Pookey is long, Otis is short & Section brings down the house." When in doubt read your comments for comic relief (especially in lieu of belief you're becoming an insomniac--oui).

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2008 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sniffing glue rools

Don't hate now.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually,

Sniffing glue helps one to be more accepting of the StR Hope Alert color.

Green...so pretty and...green....

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For you perhaps

I've always wanted Artest & Bibby gone.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

TNT

Pookey's weapon of choice.

Actually, I've always wanted Artest gone, and now I'm itching to move Bibby as well.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 7, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Si Senora

But our ideas of value greatly vary.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Outside of the Fact

That he sucks? No, can't think of one.

His numbers are in Mikki range.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 7, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Future Diary

What if the Kings got rid of just about everybody for expiring contracts and started over from scratch? Who would they sign? How would they construct the club? How are champions built?

I don't think they are built by signing guys like Salmons and Mikki Moore.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 7, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs