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Read this and tell me you're in favor of keeping Ron Artest around.

It'd be one thing if we were gunning for a title -- as many other teams interested in Ron-Ron are -- but this is a young, impressionable roster with a new, unexperienced coach whose strength going forward looks to be his motivational and disciplinary skills. How on sweet Mother Earth can he keep control having to babysit like this?

I like Ron (as much as you can like someone like him). I like his game (most of the time). I think he's a stud player (in the right situation).

Notice those cautionary clauses? Those make me wake up hoping we got something for the guy. Also, they make me wish Ron-Ron's agent would stop talking to the Denver media about what Geoff Petrie's going to do.

(It also makes me wish Marcus Thompson III would come with something stronger than expirings and a draft pick. Free Brandan!)

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Pardon me TZ
I'm going to blast Mr. Thompson now.

Obviously, the NorCal rival Kings don't want to help the Warriors. So it may cost the Warriors a first-round pick or two to make it an offer Sacramento can't refuse. But with rookies Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli, Kosta Perovic and C.J. Watson on the bench - not to mention Azubuike, in his second-year - the Warriors need a draft pick like Oprah Winfrey needs spare change.
The Kings need Wright of all the players the Dubs have. That's what would make this deal work. I don't care if Kenny Thomas gets shipped out, but I do care if the Kings get Wright more or less. Thomas would just make me all giggly inside.

The Warriors could add Artest even without having to pay the luxury tax. He's making $7.4 million this season (and next season). They could swap him for Pietrus and center Patrick O'Bryant - $5.7 million worth of expiring contracts - and still avoid the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax penalty.
Actually they couldn't pull this deal off. Pietrus is BYC, which means his trade value off, meaning you'd have to throw another player (B-R-A-N-D-A-N....you get the idea) in to make the salaries match up to work under the salary cap. Furthermore the Warriors, unless Jasikevicius & Foyle don't count against the cap for this season, which I highly doubt, then it's hard to believe any deal they make won't cost them tax.

Plus, Artest has an early-termination option, which he probably will exercise to become a free agent. So, acquiring him wouldn't dip into the future funds. Even if he didn't opt out, that's a cheap price for a pretty dominant player.
Actually Mike Bibby has an "ETO". Ron Artest has a player option for next season. While they add up to being the same thing they are not. For someone writing as if they are in the know they're terms are quite jumbled. Mr Thompson you are foolish in the way you state things.

My soapbox is safely tucked away. You all may returned to your regularly scheduled lying programming. :)

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by pookeyguru on Feb 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

dagnabit
You beat me to the punch:

Actually they couldn't pull this deal off. Pietrus is BYC
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 9, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what
He also listed Artest's salary next as 7.4 million but it's really 8.4 million. This guy is a "crackpot". But unlike me he doesn't have mostly correct information.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 9, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think AI and Ron-Ron
would be a perfect fit. All together now boys, "Practice? We're talking about practice!"

by SavageBeast on Feb 9, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Articles
One thing is clear: the fact that Artest is "underpaid" in relationship to his skills and true value probably makes it easier to trade him because you need fewer pieces to add up to his salary.

Now whether an acquiring team is just playing rent-a-Ron for the rest of this season or if they are going to ante up to what Ron and his agent apparently feel are "fair value" is the real question and possible roadblock to a deal.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Amick
The guy is trying to sell papers. That's his job.

I'd say if taking off that practice helped Ron prepare for Utah and a looming back-to-back with Golden State, it was worth whatever molehill of a price people want to make of it.

Say what you want about Mr. Artest and his various "issues," but I don't think you can really make case of him doggin' it.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 2:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Artest and Martin's 20-20 Club
The Kings are now 7-1 when both score 20 or more points.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

interesting stat
the kings are 23-0 when they score more than the opponent. i think that's the goal they should strive for every night. (smart ass)

by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 9, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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by idjpg85 on Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shattered Youth
>>this is a young, impressionable roster<<

I can see from their play last night that Hawes and Douby really went to pieces over it.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 2:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The point isn't how it affects their play
We don't want Douby thinking he can take practice off because he dominated the fourth, and point to Artest as the reason why he is right in doing so.

Off-court behavior is almost as important as on-court behavior.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 9, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
A fanbase which lived through Eric Musselman's tenure shouldn't have to be explained these things.

by Ziller on Feb 9, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Reggie
has demonstrated in a short time that he is way beyond Musselman's class. Plus, he's a lot taller.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
That was funny.
Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 9, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When Douby Reaches Artest's Level
in tenure and accomplishments, I am sure they aren't going to mind if he takes off a practice because he is sore, particularly if he is bringing it with intensity every night.

This is much ado about nothing -- really. A wannabee Chalupas starter, but nothing more.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so...
Only after Douby rushes in the stands to attack some opposing fans, malnourishes his dogs, beats his wife, starts and fails at a rap career, travels to Africa and back, beats his chest in Mormon-town, and becomes the poster-child for everything wrong in the NBA can he take practices off?

Damn, tha's alot to expect from a kid straight outta Brooklyn. I mean, we talkin bout practice.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 10, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ron's agent
values Artest as a $13-$14 million per year player.

Let's see, $13 million x 5-6 years + stellar play - marches to the beat of his own drummer + the fact that he says he wants to go =

At this point in time I do not feel Ron Artest is worth the risk of a long term contract.

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by section214 on Feb 9, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right
That Ron is not worth that kind of money, although there are quite a few guys doing a lot less for a lot more. But if he and his agent think he is, that in and of itself could hold up a deal.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this guy
The same agent that Bonzi had? 'Cause they both seem to be intent on a big payday despite what is realistic to expect for their talented yet perpetually troublesome clients.

I don't think Petrie will blink this time either.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 9, 2008 7:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tidbit
Although Nuggets vice president Mark Warkentien is believed to be in favor of acquiring Artest, the sources said coach George Karl is hesitant for a number of reasons. He is a fan of Artest's game, the sources said, but somewhat uneasy about losing forward Eduardo Najera in a deal in light of the uncertain status of Nene. The Nuggets' power forward is undergoing treatment for testicular cancer and hasn't played since Jan. 7.
I remember reading this, and thinking about it waiting at Benaroya Hall, oui, but it seems to me this is Denver trying to tip Petrie's hand.

While I seem that previous statement seems a given, I would also point out that could make Petrie's job to shed a contract, and I'm going on the record saying that Mikki Moore would be an acceptable substitute to dump instead of K9 if it gets to that, then you have to think Petrie is trying to up the offers to get a player like Brandan Wright. (I can't imagine any team getting an all star caliber player similar to the caliber of Artest. Wright represents the next best thing. The warriors have it.)

Either way that's my last 2 cents on the subject.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 10, 2008 1:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I Am Missing It
But I don't really see the pieces Denver is going to ship us besides Kleiza and Najera whether we add Mikki or Kenny to Artest. JR Smith I see, and they have some other small expirings, but nothing adds up unless you start taking on Chucky Atkins for three years, etc.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 10, 2008 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lakers Might Play Rent-A-Ron
The Lakers aren't particularly strong at the small forward position. Maybe they might be interested in renting Ron for the rest of the season.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2426~3251~549~25&teams=23~23~23~13& ;te=&cash=

Lakers get:
SF Ron Artest

Kings get:
SF Trevor Ariza
C Chris Mihm
SG Coby Karl

Ariza is young and has some upside. Mihm has Bird rights, which could complicate the deal. Karl is a throw-in with a nice outside shot.

Both Ariza and Mihm are hurt right now, but supposed to return soon.

The Zen Master gets another challenge in Artest.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 10, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

aren't particularly strong at the small forward?
Never heard of a guy named Lamar Odom? I think the Lakers might wait and see how he plays at his natural 3 before trading for a guy who defies the system.

Also - the Lakers might play ren-a-ron? Did you hear/read/see this? Mind hitting us up with a link - I'm puzzled as to why the Lakers decide Ron Artest is the forward they'd need (make up for the defensive fall-out of Pau?).

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 10, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You Might Have a Point
Re: Odom.

I didn't read it anywhere. I was going down Hollinger's list of small forwards and saw LA was not strong at that position. Naturally that's because they list Odom as a 4.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 10, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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