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Why I love Ron (but wish not to invest in him)

First things first. I love Ron Artest. Love, love, love, love, love him. LOOOOOOOOOOVE HIM!!!

I also loved a woman prior to meeting and falling in love with Mrs. section214. And I loved her. Loved, loved, loved, loved her. LOOOOOOOOOOVED HER!!! Alas, the woman was not dependable and could not commit, and we eventually parted ways.

It's a dependability issue with Ron Artest as far as I am concerned. My fear is that Ron Artest will do a Fredo Corleone on me. You broke my heart, Ron-Ron, you broke my heart.

Ron Artest is also (when he plays) the best player on the Sacramento Kings. Bar none. Better than Kevin Martin, better than Brad Miller, better than the recently departed Mike Bibby.

Since Ron is our best player, I decided to run his dependability against some of the other best players in the league. This is a random sampling of a dozen of the game's best. Most have played longer than Ron, a couple as long, a few less than Ron. All of these guys played a significant amount in their rookie year, including Ron (72 games). The numbers are what they are, I was trying to prove to myself one way or the other whether or not Ron Artest was more or less or equally as dependable as the other players that he compares himself to.

My definition of dependable is simple. If there is a game, you play. This does not mean that you are a slacker or a mean person or a villain if you don't play, but it does mean that your team could not depend on you to suit up.

The formula is also simple. Games played by the player divided by the games that his team played during the regular season.

Out of fairness and curiosity, you will find two Ron Artest's on this list. Brawl suspension Ron (BS Ron) and no brawl suspension Ron (NBS Ron).  Also, "PSA" = per season average. That is, take the percentage of games played and multiply it by 82 games and you get the "PSA."

The list:

  1. Kevin Garnett 97% games played, 79 PSA.
  2. Dirk Nowitzki 97% GP, 79 PSA.
  3. LeBron James 95% GP, 78 PSA.
  4. Tim Duncan 95% GP, 78 PSA.
  5. Carmelo Anthony 92% GP, 75 PSA.
  6. Jason Kidd 92% GP, 75 PSA.
  7. Kobe Bryant 91% GP, 74 PSA.
  8. Steve Nash 90% GP, 74 PSA.
  9. Allen Iverson 87% GP, 71 PSA.
  10. Baron Davis 82% GP, 67 PSA.
  11. Shaquille O'Neal 81%, 67 PSA.
  12. NBS Ron Artest 81%, 66 PSA.
  13. Dwayne Wade 81%, 66 PSA.
  14. BS Ron Artest 73%, 60 PSA.
Based on these numbers, Ron places in the lower end of the star player list, down there with the oft injured Dwayne Wade, the breaking down Shaq, and the used to be brittle and blue flu Baron Davis.

Now, I didn't use the next echelon of player, but if I did I might start with Vince Carter. Carter comes in at 85% / 70. Or his draft day trade partner Antawn Jamison (88% / 72).

Bottom line, the numbers tell me that Ron Artest is a risky investment. Numerically as risky as Shaq or D.Wade, though significantly cheaper at this moment.

On the flip side, these numbers show that Ron plays eight or fourteen fewer games per year than Kobe Bryant, twelve to eighteen fewer than Tim Duncan (depending on the Ron you choose, your mileage may vary). That's anywhere from 10% to 22% of the season. Is that a big deal?

For me, Ron Artest is simply too risky of an investment. Period. This is not where I want to spend the money. Good heavens, we were all in a panic about Spenecer Hawes' knee in preseason and we have next to nothing invested in him.

And it kills me that I feel this way. It kills me that I can't reasonably depend on Ron and his immense talent to propel this team back into the playoffs. He's the right age. He's ferocious on the court. I think all in all he is well liked by his teammates. I think he's probably a great guy. But can we depend on him?

Peja's star fell around here when he began to suffer injuries, when we could no longer depend on him. Peja, by the way? 82% GP / 67 PSA.

I love Ron. But I'm afraid Ron will Touch me in the morning, then just walk away.

I so want to be wrong about this, I really do. Ron Artest is a rare talent. I just can't see how we - how the Sacramento Kings - can ever depend on him.

Anybody have an opinion on this?

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Wow, pretty well put together post.  I think Ron's dependability drops when you factor in the Good Ron/ Bad Ron factor.  I know that all of the players on the list have off nights, but that isnt what I mean by "Bad Ron".
I have said it over and over again on these boards.  Ron is an amazing talent, and one of the best two-way players in the league.  However, as long as he feels that he is the best palyer on his team (which he currently is), he will continue to attempt to take over games.  With our current roster and expected future, I just dont see Ron fitting our needs.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 12, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to do, but I would love to see...
Variation on Ron's shooting.  Seems like he goes from 20 pts. one night to 8 pts the next more than anyone else on that list.  

Is it possible to run numbers like that?  If you can direct me to a site where I can find stats in excel format (I'm a spreadsheet jocket), I could do the math.

by misterbrister on Mar 12, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question
Peja's star fell around here when he began to suffer injuries, when we could no longer depend on him. Peja, by the way? 79% GP / 64 PSA.

Is this Peja just with the Kings, or Peja over his entire career? Because he missed pretty much an entire season after he left Sacramento.

And I think I'd have to base any Ron numbers on suspensions earned, because he's missing games and therefore can't help the team. His temperament and resultant suspensions are part of the package.

Well-stated analysis, Section.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 12, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Peja
Using the strike season adjusted numbers:

Peja (Total) - 82% GP / 67 PSA
Peja (Sac) - 88% GP / 72 PSA
Peja (Ind-NO) - 58% GP / 47 PSA

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by section214 on Mar 12, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering
He went pro at 16, by the time he left Sacramento (at, I think, 27 or 28), he'd played the rough equivalent of an NBA career by the time we traded him.

That makes his Sac stats more amazing, and his post-Sac stats much more understandable.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 12, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dependable and Ron in the same sentence
I'm pretty sure that violates dependability's restraining order.

While that was well thought out and the stat work is good, I don't think you'll find a person in the world who thinks Ron's dependable. I'm a big Ron fan. I defend him when possible, but I usally try make it clear that I'm talking about Good Ron. Ron Artest will never be dependable, which is a shame because when he's driven he's a freaking monster. Bill Simmons wrote this week that if Ron hadn't ran into the stands the Pacers would have made a solid run at the title. I can't really disagree with him. If it was any year for the Pacers, that was it. Ron is his own worst enemy, and that's no news.

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by Muff209 on Mar 12, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait just a minute!
Are you implying that you can, at the same time, think that Ron Artest is a great basketball player and NOT think that the franchise should sign him to a long-term contract?  Shouldn't those ideas be diametrically opposed?

Sheesh man, get with the program.

by otis29 on Mar 12, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know you are being sarcastic,
but, yeah, I think a lot of Kings fans feel this way.

Ron Artest is an awesome and amazing player, I really don't think anyone can dispute that fact.

Ron Artest is amazing.  No question.  

Ron Artest also has an, ermmm, mercurial personality.  

No blame.  His talent is such that he should end up in the Hall of Fame based on that, but he will never make it because of his personal issues.  If you could get rid of the issues, he's a Hall of Famer.

How do you get rid of those issues though?

It's a freakin' shame.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Mar 13, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my opinion on ron..
he will never be the leader or number one guy on a winning team. that's not up for debate, he just won't - for obvious reasons.

that being said, the success in the next chapter of his career will be dictated on whether he is on a team that is designed to a.) win games without him and b.) get pushed to elite status when he is on the court.

the kings as designed cannot accommodate this need, he NEEDS a player better than him on his team. he cannot be on a team that is horrible without him and mediocre with him, it just won't work if he is to continue missing games.

the only scenario i see him prospering sacramento involves the team aqcuiring an elite PF, which is highly unlikely. this allows the team to compete and win should he miss games, and also pushes the team to elite status when he does play.

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by CrownUs93 on Mar 12, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on all of it, CrownUs
And that better player needs to be much better than Ron, as he had no interest playing Robin to J.O'Neal's Batman.
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by section214 on Mar 12, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more
For the remainder of the season there needs to be a new chant at Arco. Any time Ron gets the ball I wanna hear "E-T-O! E-T-O! E-T-O!"

by vfettke on Mar 12, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Peja
Not that I know anything about it, but I assume the Greek Leagues don't play 82-game schedules.  His playing schedule as a teen probably wasn't much different than Ron-Ron's at St. John's.
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by DB on Mar 12, 2008 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the euros play alot more games, though
Their seasons are longer than College, and they have many exhibitions. So, a bit more.

But Streetball ain't easy on the body, either.

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by iashwash on Mar 12, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention
Peja played on his national team for years, and was the MVP the year they took the title. That's year-round competitive basketball, and a lot of wear and tear.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 13, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be funny Section
but you ain't no dummy either. What a rather  brilliant post.

Some "things":

Artest isn't in the top 10 of players you would build around today. Why consider building around him? For all of Webber's warts, and there are too many of them to name here, he was in his prime to be a top 10 level player in the league. Part of that was the talent on the Kings, but part of that was because Webber himself was so talented.

Again, rather brilliant post. Thanks for writing it.

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by pookeyguru on Mar 12, 2008 7:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They may not dock Ron's pay
for missing games but he does end up losing when it becomes time to renegotiate his contract.

by KingsFan on Mar 13, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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