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GAME 60 vs the Lakers, Preview & Game Thread

Evil exists.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS (42-18)  113.4 ORtg (# 3), 106.0 DRtg (# 6), 94.7 Poss (# 6)
SACRAMENTO KINGS   (27-32)  108.3 ORtg (#14), 111.1 DRtg (#25), 92.8 Poss (# 8)
BALLHYPE | NBA.com PREVIEW

Kurt at Forum Blue & Gold, one of three Lakers fan on the globe whom is not evil (so far as I can tell), breaks down the necessary analysis heading in. I'll let him weigh Sacramento's best opportunity:
The Kings have a couple of players that will give the Lakers problems. One is Kevin Martin, who gives everyone problems because he is damn good. But then there is Beno Udrih, who is coming into his own as a PG and is the kind of quick guy who gives the Lakers issues. Then there is Ron Artest, who may be nuts but can still play the game.

With Udrih and Martin the Kings have two guys who can get into the lane, so the Lakers need to stop the penetration on the perimeter and make good rotations in the paint. They have to control the paint without fouling.


Martin, I fear, should be kept under control by some combination of Kobe Bryant and Reggie Theus. Thus, Beno needs to have another big game. The Lakers defend the perimeter quite well, so it'll take a lot of fearless driving. We know it's something he can; it's a matter of whether he will.

On the other end, I expect the Lakers to drop 130 points. I find no scenario in which the Lakers offense struggles without half their horses coming down with food poisoning. Actually, if Artest can reasonably contain Kobe, and Gasol has a poor night, and Lamar Odom stays content jacking jumpers, then maybe the Kings can hold the Show under 100. Maybe.

I will say this definitively: I'm willing to sacrifice 19 more losses this season if the Kings sweep the Lakers from here on out. If the Kings go 4-19 to finish, and those four are against the Lakers, I will not be mad at anyone.

Sometimes, there are causes greater than ourselves. This is one of those causes.

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Kurt is evil
He may not have revealed his fiendish ways yet, but it will come.

Rough game tonight - this is a damn good Laker team. We've shown the ability to play with the upper echelon teams, especially at home so I guess there's a chance.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Mar 4, 2008 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

hmmm
This Artwork is disturbing man, it does however remind me of that little monkey character Chris Kattan played a few years back on SNL, the one where he would just destroy the apples he was eating, which makes it amusing.  Here's hoping we play up to our competition again!

by joeytothelimit on Mar 4, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

We may not win
But we have a fighter's chance!

GO KINGS!  Please, just give me a win tonight!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Damn
I sat and watched that for about two minutes!
Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Mar 4, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yah
Whenever I am having a bad day at work, or the Kings are driving me nuts, or I just need a pick me up, I open that up and watch it.  In 5 years, that picture hasnt gotten old.  It's actually gotten better.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

One for us old folks:
It reminds me of Rock'em Sock'em Robots... he knocked his block off!

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I never noticed -
Keon Clark in the background. I wonder if he was high.
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by section214 on Mar 4, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Keon
He was drunk.  He woke up the next morning thinking Gavin gave James Worthy a nutpunch.  His whole basketball career is a bit foggy to him.

by spragueito on Mar 4, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Help me out
I'll be away from the TV until about 9:15 and my TiVo is broken.  I am going to need an active game thread to use as a recap.  I have faith in all of you.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

WE WON !!!!
thats sort of what im going to write
GO KINGS !!!

by maiku on Mar 4, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Beat LA!
Beat LA!Beat LA!Beat LA!Beat LA!Beat LA!

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

is there.....
really a need for player introductions for a 27-32 team
"I think the Shaq trade will be the biggest mistake since movie execs cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze based on box office reputation"

by CrownUs93 on Mar 4, 2008 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

tyronne lue
Got picked up by the Mavs. Not that we care.
Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Mar 4, 2008 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

there's a lot of laker fans at arco tonight
"I think the Shaq trade will be the biggest mistake since movie execs cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze based on box office reputation"

by CrownUs93 on Mar 4, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

wow
2 of our starters have 2 fouls

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 7:24 PM PST reply actions  

First Artest flex sighting
after he schools Odom 5,2,1 for Ron Ron.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

Why
are there a lot of lakers fans in our building?

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

Urdih and Martin
with the most shot attempts for Sac. Good sign.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

Shawes looking like a Rookie.
Get Miller back in there, now! Tie game.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

What happend to Salmons?
He's our superbenchman again
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

Salmons
keeps on scoring fro one end to another

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

Kings up by 9
woot
17 fast break points

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

Please bring Miller back
but keep Salmons on the floor. he looks amazing.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 7:55 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, don't understand this one
guess he's resting him while Gasol rests, but Miller's been on the bench for 8 minutes or so.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

so weird
Spencer and Miller minutes are almost alike.
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

What's weirder
is Johnson having more minutes than Garcia :o

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry
I thought you mean John Salmons, my bad.
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

anthony johnson...
i never thought we would actually have beetlejuice on our team
"I think the Shaq trade will be the biggest mistake since movie execs cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze based on box office reputation"

by CrownUs93 on Mar 4, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

wow
we are outreboundig the lakers.

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

I can't tell which team Gary is routing for...
It's polite to comment on your opponets now and then... But damn I don't want to hear about how great every shot by the Lakers are!

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

I really wish I could watch this game...
Though as many no-calls as Gary is announcing maybe it's a good thing I'm not.

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

john has 15 points
"I think the Shaq trade will be the biggest mistake since movie execs cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze based on box office reputation"

by CrownUs93 on Mar 4, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly
so why did Theus wait for the last 2 mins of the 3rd before he put John back in the game?

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Johnson
missed a wide open layup

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

Kobe Harping on Refs?
According to Gary!  But no T for him~

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
"I think the Shaq trade will be the biggest mistake since movie execs cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze based on box office reputation"

by CrownUs93 on Mar 4, 2008 8:55 PM PST reply actions  

Ugnhh
Johnson is killing me

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

nice run
with kobe in the bench

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

Garcia
is way better than Johnson

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

I don't care if lose the rest of our games
I just want to win all the games against the Lakers. Please win!

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Artest
good D against Kobe

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

Why oh why
I walk in the door and the Kings are up 8, two minutes later, they trail by 1.

Maybe its better if I dont watch.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

Ron Artest
with the missed isolation jumper.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

Refs+missing easy shots=
Lakers win.  Thanks lop-sided paid off faker refs... I fucking hate all of you! directed at david stern's goons

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

kobe 360
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
this is over

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

nononono
Thats not the way you should look at it!!

Martin need to LEARN how to be the man one day! You can't blame another player for trying to take charge when you have a young talented player who doesnt show up late in games. (save a few last second (dare I say lucky) gamewinners)

This is my #1 problem with the young man!!!!!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Its also
hard to justify that big raise when you tend to shy away from the ball in crunchtime!!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't watch the game here
So what you're saying is Kevin was asking them to not pass him the ball?

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

No
Im definentaly saying that! I dont know where you found the formula for correlating a player "shying" away from the ball with a player "asking" them not to pass him the ball.

He just HAS to take the initiative of getting open and GETTING the damn ball. Ball should be brought up by the PG and then distributed to one of the wings (cause our Bigs are "littles"). I did not see the final few possesions, but why is no one blaming Beno (or whoever was playing PG late) for not running the offence through Martin

You can blame Artest all day long... But Martin/Theus/Beno are just as much at fault!!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Meant
NO Im definentaly NOT sayin that!!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't blame Artest
I don't care who's to blame, Kevin needs the ball. If the ball never touches his hands, I don't see how you can say he's shying away from it. Maybe he needs to demand it more aggressively, but that's not shying away.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well
If it not shying away....It sure as hell isnt being the man and taking charge!

You wont see ANY all-stars or big time players get frozen out (allow themselves to be frozen out) in the manner in which he has ALL season long

Thats what frustrates me!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That point would be valid if
Martin got the ball and passed it back to Artest. Alas, Martin never got the ball

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

If
thats true, then thats sad!!

Who the hell was the 1.. I didnt see. Was it Beno?

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Well
it's really hard when Artest is in a shoot-first mentality. Isolating artest is usually not a good idea when you're in a close game

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
Maybe its not Martin's demeanor....but he has GOT to go get the ball or bitch at Theus if he isnt involved in the calling of set plays

I do agree with you though

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

wow
it's hard to win against Kobe and the refs

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions  

I thought Ron
was supposed to be an awesome defender?  Kobe absolutely OWNS Ron right now.  A made shot or a foul every time!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions  

Yah
The man can ball... but EVERY time?  Man.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah... even if I hadn't listened to the game...
I would think something is fishy looking at the free throw attempts for each team...

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

AHHH
Chuck you!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

Good night.
I'm going to sleep before this day could get any worse... I've bene on a roll for the last 15 hours, tired of pushing my luck.

by dkons21 on Mar 4, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

Well, at least, we played good
in the first 3 1/2 quarters. Is that any consolation?

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

NO
Its not.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS ONE'S ON THEUS
Chock it up to poor second half decisions by Reggie Theus.  Three f-ups in the second half:

  1. When Kobe went out he left both Salmons and Artest on the floor unnecessarily tiring them out

  2. He put Artest on Kobe in crunch time when Salmons' quickness was causing him faaaaar more trouble

  3. All-around uncreative offensive play sets in crunch time

Theus may one day be a great coach, but this little learning experience tonight stings right now.

by PissedOffGorilla on Mar 4, 2008 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

Kings ruined my night
I only ask that they beat one damn team. Can't they just do that and let me live in peace?!?!?!

by sbenkle on Mar 4, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

Another 3 from Artest???
This is not right, I know is over, but come on!!
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

Just Artest?
I gather you don't think much of him and all, but he was the only one fighting to free up for the ball.  Everyone else gave a juke or two to free of their man and then just stood around.  One player's play not being up to snuff is one thing, when every player on the floor leaves something to be desired one must look to the coach.

by PissedOffGorilla on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough for anyone else to do much of anything
when one person decides they are going to jack up every shot in the last four minutes. Maybe he can go back and watch this film and see once and for all that he is not Kobe. Live by the Ron, die by the Ron.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't like Artest mentality
he just want to shoot. I know the other players knew that it was over, but when we lost the lead, Artest was isolating too much.
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

wait a second
Artest was getting open because the Lakers were ok with him getting the ball.  Kobe face guarded Martin the entire game, so who else are Miller and Beno going to pass too? Plus, once Ron gets it, you know hes putting it up.  He missed 4 three point shots in the last two minutes.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait a second..
I lost count of how many shots Brad and Beno passed up wide open.  They passed it to Ron for one of two reasons: they were TOLD to by Theus or they didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.

by PissedOffGorilla on Mar 5, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm wrong
It wouldn't be the first time or the last, of that I'm sure.  I just saw a fiery (albeit perhaps overly zealous) Ron Artest, and 4 rattled and/or scared teammates on the floor.  I hate that Ron Artest was taking all those shots, but maybe if his teammates wouldn't punk out he wouldn't have to.  I LOVE Brad Miller, but I lost track of how many times he had open shots, thought about them, and punked out and passed it to Ron.  And I am very optimistic about Beno, but where the hell did he go?  Ron Artest didn't inbound to Ron Artest, and pass it up court to Ron Artest, and pass it to Ron Artest on the side to shoot.  Other people touched the damn ball and subsequently got rid of it like their lives depended on it.  If shots were taken before the ball went to Ron, we the fans would have to figure out a whole new scapegoat.

by PissedOffGorilla on Mar 5, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll take the blame tonight
I walk in the door and its 98-90 Kings.  Then the Lakers go on a 27-7 run to end the game.

Just so you all know, I have to go to work with an office full of Faker fans tomorrow.  Shit.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Why are you taking the blame?
Are you a ref? :P Good luck tomorrow. Regardless of how bad the refs called the game at the end, The Kings only have themselves to blame for this loss

by kingme on Mar 4, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

3 1/2 quarters of great team B-ball
1/2 a quarter of Ron hogging the ball. 23 attempts. I'm sorry that is just wrong.

by SavageBeast on Mar 4, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

We didn't get it done
it was a fun game. Maybe the lost was because we couldn't get Martin in the offense in the mid of the last quarter.
Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Mar 4, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Thank
You Memphis!!!

For the dumbest damn trade of the year!!

Way to make the Lakers relevant again!

by Hoops916 on Mar 4, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

Kevin Martin
He actually got a lot of touches in crunch time. He just didn't know what to do with it. Lots of turnovers, and he missed a layup or two and they pushed him around a lot, which is pretty easy to do with that frame. Basically Kobe shut him down. Hopefully it's a good learning experience for him.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 4, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

BULLSHIT!
There, I called you on it.

Martin barely got any touches because Kobe was face guarding him for the last 5 minutes, and the entire Lakarr team helped off every screen to keep him from getting the ball.  He didnt miss a single layup (in crunch time), he got stripped once, in a double team.

Unlike many others, I won't blame Ron for going 0-5 (including 0-4 from three) in the last three minutes, he had no choice but to chuck it up.  I mean, what other choice to Miller and Beno have; Martin is being smothered and Moore, well, come on.  The Kings needed big hoops and Ron got the touches.  Some were better than others, but we needed points.

It should bementioned though that the Lakers were very content to have Ron shoot, the entire defense surrounded denying Martin the ball.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

continued...
Furthermore, your comment that Martin should "learn from it" is effing crap.

You have the logic and ability to research well thought out posts, but your backhaded attempts to make Ron look good are fuxking pathetic.  How can your favorite player go 0-5 and get repeatedly burned on the defesive burned over and very again, yet you call it a "lesson" for Martin.  What a joke.

Now that I have taken some of my anti-Laker agression out on you, I say good day.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

continued again...
Like a few others before me, i saw how much better Salmons did defending Kobe tonight.  While he has been down roght bad for a few weeks, he brought it tonight.  I am lopking forward to your "why-Ron-was-so-great-and-everyone-else-sucked" post tomorrow.  Good luck with that.

TZ, please cheer me up.  Tomorrow is gong to be rough.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 4, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Artest and the Kings
Artest did some things well, and like everyone else, just kind of ran out of gas at the end. They were banging on him pretty good at the end, and trying to chase Kobe around is no picnic. Yeah, he could of passed the ball instead of taking a couple of the shots, but the whole squad was pretty mixed up at the end. Brad made some poor choices as well; so did just about everyone.

The Lakers do a good job of using their role players, and that helped keep them close enough to make their final run. More importantly, Theus was forced to go with his main guns for almost the entire second half to try and keep the lead. Lobe, meanwhile, got a lot of rest and had plenty in the tank at crunch time.

Give the Lakers credit where credit is due. Kobe saved his best for the fourth quarter, and LA was the better team when all was said and done. Once they got the lead the air just went out of the Kings.

The Lakers are basically better than the Kings at every starting position except one, have a better bench and have a better and more experienced coach. In the end it was enough to beat a scrappy Kings team.

We also killed ourselves by failing to put the Lakers away when we had the chance. We missed 5-6 layups at least that could have pushed the lead and made the crowd a bigger factor. Again, fatigue could have been a factor.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Now we agree
I don't blame Artest for the loss either.  I just thought your original statement claiming Martin had a lot of touches and needed to learn from this was a joke.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 5, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

With the Lakers focusing
all of their attention on K-Mart, why the crap wasn't Ron able to drive to the hoop? If you are going to face gurad the best outside shooter, it has to open up the middle. If anyone (not just Ron) had the balls to take it to the rim instead of jacking up off balance jumpers, it would have opened K-Mart back up.

by SavageBeast on Mar 5, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe
Because they were doubling him when he got the ball and he wasn't able to get the ball down low in any case.

The team broke down in the last five minutes. Ron, Brad, Kmart, Udrih - all just didn't get it done.

Kobe was fresh, and he definitely got it done. He shut Kevin down on one end and took over the game at the other.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't buy it
If the Lakers are good enough to double an outside shooter like K-Mart who is cutting off picks, and double Ron down low, they are the best defensive team in the NBA (and I know they aren't.) You can clog the middle or you can double the outside shooter, but you can't do both unless every other King is standing wide open. If that was the case, Beno and Miller would have wide open shots, which they didn't.

What I saw was a team that got frustrated and started trying to do it all with one person. There was no reason to jack up off balance fade aways. If you drive to the hoop and they double you down low, somebody is open outside. The Lakers do not have the personnel to shut down Ron and K-Mart if the team is willing to pass off the double.  

by SavageBeast on Mar 5, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I Still Stand By
the Martin comments.

He has to step up at some point. Not much more to add.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Step up and what?
K-Mart is a very good player, but there are only a couple of players in the NBA that can carry a team by themselves. I put LeBron in that catagory. I put Kobe in the catagory. K-Mart no. Ron no. I would even say KG no. It's not about stepping up. It's about having a plan (which comes from the coach) and sticking to it.

We played amazing team ball for over 3/4ths of the game. But in crunch time, we were not following any game plan. Lay the blame on whoever you want, but it was a team mistake not one player who did or did not step up. Had K-Mart jacked up shots like Ron was that had little chance of going in, everyone would be ripping on him today.

We don't have a true super star, but most other teams don't either.

by SavageBeast on Mar 5, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Every playoff team in the west
has a go-to guy who can get it done in the fourth. Some have more than one.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

And my bet is
that very few of those guys fill it up for 23 points through three quarters and are rewarded with a six minute cool down period to start the 4th quarter. Hard to demand the ball when you're sitting on the bench, eh Kevin?
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by section214 on Mar 5, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure?
You stand by your comment on Martin?  You stand by:

He actually got a lot of touches in crunch time. He just didn't know what to do with it.

Since it has been pointed our that Martin only got two touches and one shot the entire fourth quarter, you stand by the fact that he 'got a lot of touches in cruch time"?

You wonder why people berade you for being insensical, you cant admit when you're wrong.  You obviously were trying to place the blame for the loss on somebody besides Ron, and since you think Martin doesnt get his fair amount if criticism, you chose to point at him.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 5, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Senor twenty-seven
I find your comments both salient and reasonable. That being said it's a shame you're wasting this on a guy who spends his time blaming and supporting the glass for being half-full.
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by pookeyguru on Mar 6, 2008 1:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I know I know
I just keep tihnking logic will win in the end.  Alas, I am incorrect.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 6, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Just for the record
I got chance to watch the end of the game again yesterday. Martin in fact got FIVE touches in the last 2 1/2 minutes of the game. Here's what he did with them:
  • He got the ball at the top of the key and dribbled into traffic and got stripped as Fisher passed to Kobe for the uncontested breakaway dunk that capped the 14-0 Lakers run and made it 107-100.
  • He passed the ball in the sequence that led to Udrih passing to Artest back to Udrih for the 3 pointer that made it 107-103.
  • He got the ball on the left side with the score 109-103 and acted like it was a hot potato, getting it out of his hands quickly to Mikki. Mikki was smart and gave it right back (two touches on one possession). Martin drove and missed the layup, but Mikki cleaned up the garbage and it was 109-105 with 1:33 to play.
  • With 40-45 seconds left and the Kings down 113-105, Martin came behind a posting Miller from the left side, got the ball but stumbled near the free throw line. He nearly fell down and coughed it up. He recovered and passed the ball to Artest, who missed a three with 35 seconds left. Gasol would make two free throws with 23 seconds left to make it 115-105.

Summary: five touches, one turnover that led to a dunk for the Lakers, one missed layup, three passes.

You could certainly make the case he should have gotten more touches. You can also make the point that he could have done more with the touches he did get.

On the other end during the same sequence, he fouled Kobe with 4:06 left, and Kobe converted the two free throws that gave the Lakers the 101-100 lead. Then with 3:35 left, Kobe turned Martin's world upside down with the great 360 spin layup in transition that made it 103-100. He didn't guard Kobe after that.

I'm not blaming Kevin for losing the game by any stretch. He had some opportunities to make a difference, though, but clearly not enough with five touches on the Kings' last 14 possessions. You could blame Artest, Udrih and Miller as well. The Kings as a team did not step up and execute well, and Kobe and the Lakers did.

You can argue why Martin was on the bench until the 6:02 mark, but my guess is that Theus was trying to keep him fresh for the final run, similar to what Phil Jackson was doing with Kobe around the same time. The Kings were up 100-93 when he re-entered, so it wasn't a terrible strategy. The players who replaced him (Salmons, Garcia) are better defenders, and the Kings were doing an OK job of scoring without him.

You could also argue that the set the Kings have used successfully at times, with Martin and Artest on the same side, high-low, could have worked, but that would have put Kobe on the same side and allowed him to guard both players at times.

There was one moment when Martin was trolling the baseline and was open under the basket for a moment, but he stopped there and Udrih may not have thought he could thread the needle. There was another sequence where Martin came around Brad and Brad did not get him the ball.

I have seen a lot of times this season when Brad and Udrih did not reward Martin with the ball when he worked hard to get it, and I think they should.

Re: Artest's shots, I agree with Section's comments that Ron only took one bad shot, a 22-footer early in the clock with 3:22 left and the Lakers up 103-100.

I'd be happy to share what happened on those 14 possessions as well as what the Lakers did with theirs when I get a little more time so you can view the situation with a little more perspective.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 6, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a good post
Of course we know now that he hurt his wrist earlier in the game, causing him to miss the next game, so that might have contributed to not taking a shot/turnover.

But this horse is pretty dead.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 6, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I watched the same video
He also scratched his nuts, tugged at his shirt, stuck out his tongue, wiped sweat from his forehead, watched his team implode, carried Kobe around in his jersey, looked in vain for any type of screen, made goo goo eyes at Peaches...and if you run it back real slow you can clearly see that he was the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll.
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by section214 on Mar 6, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Section you've been on fire today
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by pookeyguru on Mar 6, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Now everyone else is as miserable as I am
But for different reasons. (Losing sucks, having no hope doubly so.)
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 5, 2008 12:20 AM PST reply actions  

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