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I'd call in but...

I wouldn’t be able to help myself and wouldn’t get past “Hey Lamb, Coach Fuller, and Peaches”

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by Muff209 on Apr 18, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

is kissing some serious Kevin butt right now. His explanation is that Ron is the only guy that draws a double team – and that’s all he meant. He added that Kevin will eventually become a guy that demands double teams, too.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Thats

Exactly what it sounded like he meant from the first minute I heard the original statement.

I think everyone on this site (save a few) became melodramatic for no apparent reason! (Not necessarily directed toward you 214)

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

overreaction?

LEAVE THEUS ALOOOOONE!!!!!!! BUAWAWAAWAAA!!! YOU”RE SO EVIL, CAN”T YOU SEE HOW HANDSOME HE IS. HE’S SO PRETTY! LEAVE THEUS ALONE, ALL YOU NASTY NASTY PEOPLE! WHAT DID HE DO TO DESERVE THIS?? sniffle, sniffle. WAAAAA. JUST. LEAVE. HIM. ALOOOOOONE!

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by iashwash on Apr 18, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply reply 1 recs

I

dont get it?

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

leave britney alone

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by iashwash on Apr 18, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

So Reggie says

he only meant that Artest is the only guy that can draw a double team. BS, teams double Kevin when he drives. That’s how he gets fouled.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Thats

Not called a double team Korea!!!!

Thats known as “help-defense”!!!

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

You're splitting hairs

Help defense is a form of double team. In the context that Reggie was talking: Crunch time, someone you can trow the ball to who then initiates the offense and draws additional defenders and can then either dish to the open man, finish or draw a foul. I think my statement stands.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply reply 1 recs

Wrong...

I’m not splitting hairs….

By your definition of a “double team”....Every player in the league gets double teamed…

your statement had nothing to do with anything. ...thats obvious hoops man, when you get around a defender, help defense comes!!!

Help defence and “double teams” are two COMPLETELY different things man- I dont meant to school you on “hoops”, but thats the truth

I’m definently not splitting hairs…and that thought about your statement standing…..Not so much!

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Don't know that you're in any position to be schooling anyone

Help defense is when a player rotates to cover or help another player that has typically gotten past his defender.

Per NBA.com “If an offensive player drives past his defender on his way to the basket, another defender may come over from the weakside to play defense. This is called weakside help or help defense.”

A double team is when a second player leaves his man to help guard the player with the ball. K-Mart draws double teams. And besides, that’s not what Reggie said the first time. he said that Artest was the only go-to guy. The only guy he could give the ball to in a clutch situation. If you can’t see that was a slap in the face to K-Mart then you’re not trying very hard. School’s out.

by SavageBeast on Apr 18, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Your...

All over the place man! What exactly is your point again? Seriously?

And thanks for the worn out definition of help defense, which is exactly what I was trying to describe to Korea a few posts back..

I understand that your a big Kevin fan, as am I!

As i said earlier, theus should NOT have made those statements public. And yea, I could see how Kevin could see that as a “slap in the face”

And yeah, he said Artest was the only guy the Kings can go to in crunch time (meaning that he was the only guy who can draw a double and create). Whether or not you agree with that statement, thats all on you. But enough crying and bitching about it from STR already…cmon now, the Man watches these guys day in and day out in practice…he KNOWS what he is dealing with!!!

And one more thing champ,nice Cheesy ass line about school’s out !!!

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Wow, when you're proven wrong you immediately start calling names

What I did was simply correct you on the difference between a double team and help defense. Two on one, double team. One man backing up another, help defense. Sorry that was so confusing for you. I think TZ made it perfectly clear that K-Mart actually is a better clutch player than Artest. Glad you liked the line though. You can put it on your signature if you want.

by SavageBeast on Apr 18, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Ummmm

What your saying…is EXACTLY what I have been saying all along!!!!!!!!! I was telling the SAME thing that you just said tome to Korea! Do some research before you start soundin like an ass next time.. “Wow when your proven wrong you immediately start calling names”....nice line guy!! Or “Savagebeast” (cool name by the way!!!!...Sarcasm in case you cant tell)

I know EXACTLy what the hell the difference between hlp and dbl team defenses are guy!

So next time, either stay outta the conversation….or actully know what or who your responding to…seriously

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

What are you like five years old?

Dude either switch to decaf or get off the roids or whatever your issue is. Do you notice that while you’re complaining about everyone else overreacting, YOU are the one swearing at people and all this other BS? This is a friendly board for the most part. You are the one flaming everyone. You really need to get a life or a girlfriend or some tranks. Calm yourself down before you blow a valve, dude. You started this whole conversation by belittling Korea who is a great poster and a knowledgable nba fan. You told Korea that K-Mart doesn’t draw a double team. Then you get crazier and crazier, when people disagree with you. Chill out my friend. And in case you are hyperventilating again, this is not sarcasm.

by SavageBeast on Apr 19, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Savage...

Hoops is clearly agitated, his bad. But reposting his exact point and then telling him hes not in a position to school anybody is inflamatory to say the least. Ending with “school’s out” are definitely fighting words. From a third party perspective, you are the one who is in fact confused as to who said what.

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by CAB on Apr 19, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Again, maybe we are just not understanding each other

As I read Hoops post he was telling Korea that K-mart does not get double teamed. Meaning that two players are not covering him at the same time. My point was that when K-Mart drives, two players collapse on him, which I think we would all agree is a double team. Help would be if one player covers for another. The only reason I even added the school is out line was in regards to his saying in the post above that he was schooling Korea on the NBA. Nor worries though. I honestly think if people all calmed down a little and discussed things there would be less flaming. As soon as I see a post turning into flames back and forth it loses my interest.

Again, not a worry. And probably not even a disagreement. More of a miscommunication. I don’t have anything against hoops or anyone else.

by SavageBeast on Apr 20, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Your missing his point

A double team, can be the same and different when two players guard one player. The situation you describe has two players guarding one player but is DIFFERENT than a double team. Ya, I see the logical connection TWO players guarding one, and poof! a DOUBLE team. Not the same thing though as I understood Hoops. A double team IS the same when TWO players guards one player, on a designed, designated defensive strategy. Like hoops says, this usually happens before a player gets past his designated defender. If KMart gets past his defender and runs past his defender and gets trapped by two defenders in the paint afterwards, that is not a DOUBLE team, it is a defensive switch.

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by CAB on May 1, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Wrong

Double team – 2 defensive players guarding the man with the ball
Help defense – leave your player to help guard the man with the ball, resulting in 2 defensive players guarding the man with the ball.

The only difference is that help defense comes after the offensive player makes his move. Thus splitting hairs.

and that thought about your statement standing…..Not so much!

You didn’t refute my original statement at all. Just saying “not so much” doesn’t counter the argument.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

True

But lets be serious!!!!!

there is a difference between being able to DRAW a double team (which is obviously what i was talking about)...

And being double teamed cause your driving to the hole! .....Cmon man, thats way too obvious

I like Martin’s game alot, but he cant DRAW doubles like Artest DOES…He will soon enough though!

thats all I meant

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Ok

But Reggie was talking about drawing defenders and creating opportunities in crunch time. And he specifically mentioned Kobe, who doesn’t post up that much, but draws defenders by slashing. So I think it was a slight to Kmart, and not really valid. That’s all I was saying.

And on top of that drawing doubles in the post like Artest does is useless if you don’t pass out of it, draw a foul or convert. Which Kmart does at a higher rate than Artest, which was the point of TZ’s earlier article.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Very

true about it hot helping if you dont pass out of the double…I believe Artest is more capable of this than many give him credit for, but only time will tell

The difference between Kobe and Martin (relating to dbl teams)

Martin = gets double teamed (by your definition) when he gets by his man

Kobe = Is often dble teamed in crunch time before he even gets by his man… And when played “straight up”, his defenders teammates naturally “sag” off their men in order to prepare to help out on Kobe’s defender… Kevin doesnt get that recognition by other teams defenses YET

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

True

Kobe often gets doubled on the perimeter early in the play. And this may be why in Theus’ mind Kevin is not as good as Ron. Seems like a very minor thing to me, but then I’m not an NBA coach or player.

Regarding Ron being capable of passing out of the double team: I think he is more than capable of doing this and doing it well, unfortunately I don’t think he is very willing to hit the open man. If I were Reggie, I’d assign about 50 hours of Tim Duncan game tape to Ron, and let him know that’s what I’m looking for from him on the offensive end.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Capable, yes.

true about it hot helping if you dont pass out of the double…I believe Artest is more capable of this than many give him credit for, but only time will tell

Willing? Yet to be proven on a dependable basis. This is why so many posters refer to Good Ron vs. Bad Ron.

Good Ron gives this team so much it’s unbelievable. Bad Ron gives this team, and its fans, conniption fits.

Ron will be 29 this year and he’s been in the league for nine years. How much more time does he need to prove he can be willing (he’s definitely capable) to show better court awareness and team play?

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Fair Question

I’m not sure KK… solid point

But I think its fair to say the Kings had NO consistancy this year. I believe the frustration of not having a consistent 5’ out there led to much of the seasons dimay.

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Thanks

but I’m not just referring to Ron’s play this year. This is, in essence, the story of his entire career. He’s a phenomenally talented player, I don’t think anyone here disputes that. I really don’t.

There seems to be one “tick” off that causes basketball phenoms, there’s just something different about them that causes their greatness. One “tick” that makes them greater than the rest of us at what we do and makes them better than the rest of the NBA. The same holds true for anyone who achieves greatness (not just goodness) at anything they set their minds to.

I think Ron has that “tick”, I really believe that. I also believe that he has a second “tick” that holds him back. I really believe that too.

I hope the dude figures it out, I really do…but as I said in my original post, he’s going to be 29 years old this year and he’s been performing in his current job for nine years now…can he figure out how to get to the next level and break through to greatness?

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Great

Great Points …..and I dont mean to respoind with such a “short answer” but…

But you make it somewhat sound like he is a guy with “potential” or a “high ceiling” as Jay Bilas says, who just can put it all together

The guy averaged 21ppg 4ast and 6rebs per game last year?

I agree that he has the potential to turn it up another notch or “tick” (given he has talent around him)...but those numbers aernt half bad?

I’m probobly one of the few people on STR who see having him around for another year as a positive thing for the squad

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

You're making my points for me...

he’s a very very good player who hasn’t broken out into greatness yet. He wants to be Kobe, but he’s not. He wants to be Chris Paul, but he’s not. He wants to be (name any great player here), but he’s not.

I believe it’s that second “tick” that keeps him from doing it, hence all the arguments about Good Ron vs. Bad Ron.

I think he has the ability, but I don’t know if he has the tools to become that player.

I think he’s an extremely gifted athlete who has been hampered (severely) by his upbringing. He’s admitted as much.

I want the guy to succeed, I don’t necessarily want him to play on my favorite team.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Now if he's talking double teams

in the post OK. But Grant gave him that out, and he didn’t take it. Now he’s saying Ron makes the correct choice by passing out of the double team 80% of the time. Haha.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 5:46 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

And now Peaches is kissing Reggie's ass

It took almost ten minutes…

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:46 PM PDT reply reply 1 recs

Yeah it's all Sam's fault

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Amazing

How does Peaches service Reggie and talk at the same time? He must be using his hands.

Now it’s Amick’s fault!!! Reggie is blaming Amick for misinterpretation. Shame on you, Reggie. Man up, own it, and move forward.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

As TZ pointed out in an earlier thread...

Those peaches don’t sit firmly under Peaches’ chin accidentally.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

My Dad's Advice

Two for you Reggie, one that I’ve shared here before:

1) When you’re in a hole, stop digging.

2) If you have to eat a turd, swallow it whole – don’t chew it on the way down.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Your dad was a really wise man.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Now Peaches

is praising Reggie for all of his personal appearances in the area. What the f*&! does that have to do with the price of tea in China (or Korea)?

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Sorry Reggie and Peaches

It’s not ridiculous. Based on what you said, it is the correct interpretation. Throw the ball to, doesn’t mean only in the post and Reggie said it could be on the perimeter too. That’s why he mentioned Kobe. Kobe draws a double on the perimeter, and maybe Kevin doesn’t draw one on the perimeter all the time yet, but I’ve gotta think he would if we went to him in crunch time more often.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Good News / Bad News

The good news is that Reggie didn’t mean what he said as it pertains to Kevin Martin.

The bad news is that Reggie is not taking ownership of what was his (not Amick’s) mistake.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 5:57 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

I hope he gets a chance to talk to Kevin too

It’s too bad there isn’t an invention that would let people take some sort of communication device with them anywhere they go. Maybe someday.

Thanks for the heads up Section.

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2008 5:58 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

you...

Have got to be kidding me??? We aernt taking this situation as seriously as it appears…..are we???!?

Theus meant what he originally said…. and he was right! He was referring to the aspect of being able to attract double teams and create!!! I don’t understand what was so difficult about that in the first place (IMO)

I guess we (as a group of fans) need something to discuss since we don’t have shit to pull for this weekend!

Were better than this fellas

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Agree to disagree

Reggie should have been more specific. It was not just us folks at StR that reacted to what he said. He made it worse by laying the blame at Amick’s feet, who did nothing more than quote Theus directly.

Tempest in a teapot? Absolutely. But it all started for one reason, and his name is Reggie Theus.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Ok...

It all started for that one reason….

But it also escalated for ONE reason, the Kings aerent playing this weekend!

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Well...

If they’d made the playoffs we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. So it’s their fault.

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by Muff209 on Apr 18, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

They're not?

Then what did I buy tickets to…Kanye West? What position does he play?

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

I hear

ya Section…..And i generally like your posts on here

Its just that people seem to be blowing this whole thing out of porportion man!

But even so, the Kanye thing wasnt too funny man.. I expect more outta you

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Sorry to disappoint

West is at ARCO tonight, hence the reference. I guess I’m misunderstood, just like Reggie.

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by section214 on Apr 18, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply reply 1 recs

Yea

Thats a “no brainer”......

What are you talking about? I actually had tickets for the show tonight at Arco but traded them for the show at HP

Of course He is there, along with rhianna etc, why wouldnt he be?... I dont get your post?

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

ZOOM!

Just let it go, section. I got it and thought it was funny.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Apr 18, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Don't be discouraged

I get you section and I thought it was funny as well. In fact you make me laugh out loud at least once a week, keep fighting the good fight.

by Mityt on Apr 19, 2008 3:12 AM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Kanye

Went to the concert and as we were leaving, shoulder to shoulder of course, there right next to me is Mikki Moore himself. Then he hollers at another tall dude, and it turns out to be Justin Williams.

I was just curious as to why Justin was in Sac, cause I thought he was playing for Houston (probably not on the playoff roster). He wouldn’t answer any of my questions though. Anybody think he’ll be back next year, or just wishful thinking.

NBA: Where your dreams are shattered happens.

by ChicoKing on Apr 20, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

No....

I understand he is there!

Next time do yourself a favor and buy tix for the next nights performance in the Bay. Hate to say it, but you never get an artists best show in Sac, partly cause they take it easy for the Bay/LA…Ive seen it in person with teo seperate tours on consectutive nights, just a lil FYI.

Anyways, back to Ball.. Your right though, he was misunderstood by a few (myself excluded).

Get your “glow” on at the Kanye show man!

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs

I'll go ahead and start it off...

Ummmm, what?

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by Muff209 on Apr 18, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

lol

I misplaced that posts..

I was talking to Section cause he is lucky enough to see Kanye tonight! I misplaced the thread..sry

I’m assuming thats what you were referring to?

by Hoops916 on Apr 18, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

Listening to Reggie's comments

- Reggie didn’t see the article? What? (It’s called the Internet Reggie)

- He missed Kevin a couple times? Kevin left Reggie a message?

- Reggie claims that Sam Amick distorted Reggie’s message in his article

- He was proud of Kevin’s development? So what. This is the pro’s, and not college. (Reggie is talking out of his ass)

- Ron’s the only guy who draws a double team? Hmmm, perhaps for the most part this is true.

- If Reggie was talking about the block then just say that (Not buying that argument that drawing a double team only refers to post play)

Interesting insight: I’m proud that a bunch of guys on the roster had career years because of me. Huh? Interesting, but I’m not sure that’s quite true. Who had career years? (Brad did not have a career year. He resuscitated it. There is a difference. And I’m not sure Beno had a career year either. Especially if Beno gets consistent playing time for the rest of his career.)

- Truthfully I’m reading Amick’s article again-Sam didn’t dwell on that point about throwing the ball into the block-TZ did, I did, several of us around here did, but Sam didn’t really either. He talked about Theus saying the team needed more rebounding and toughness, and that the team needs to figure out it’s direction beginning with Artest—in otherwords this was all bullshit as usual.

We could build ping-pong ball shrines and make sacrifices at them, like broken ping-pong paddles, or burning Peaches in effigy--LPA

by pookeyguru on Apr 19, 2008 2:51 AM PDT reply reply 0 recs

As Gertrude Stein...

Famously said about Oakland “There is no there there” (or here.) I’m not saying what was said wasn’t mildly intriguing and/or problematic. But I wouldn’t go much past mildly. Wait you mean coaches talk out of both sides of their mouth and players are overly sensitive? Really?

I just have a lot of trouble mustering any indignation toward this situation on either side. And I’m as reactionary as they come. So that’s indicative of something.

by rbiegler on Apr 19, 2008 7:43 AM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Amick

He will be on Jim Crandall’s show at 11:20 this morning to discuss the initial interview (which Amick and Crandall attended…Peaches did not), as well as yesterday’s radio interview. Live streaming on KHTK 1140’s website.

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by section214 on Apr 19, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply reply 0 recs

Theus

I caught part of the interview on KHTK and it was pretty standard Theus – it certainly wasn’t his fault! People just didn’t understand what he was trying to say.

Reggie, how about you say things with a bit more clarity? I read the quotes again and still see it as being pretty insensitive…not to mention flat WRONG.

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by otis29 on Apr 19, 2008 10:39 AM PDT reply reply 0 recs