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A Little Bit of Relish

I am wary of beating the Kevin Martin drum too often, as I do not want to bore anyone to tears. But, people: Shane Battier -- the guy who can stop Kobe Bryant -- was shadowing Speed all night, wire to wire. How did Martin perform under constant pressure from a first team All-Defense guy? 27 points on 14 shots.

And glass? Glass? Kevin Martin has no use for your God-forsaken glass!

(Thanks, kingsTV.)

Tracy McGrady, also with an amazing defender covering him (Ron Artest), scored 32 points on 31 shots. Mac has and had a better all-around floor game than Martin... but there's little question that at this point, Speed's a superior scorer.

Moving onto Shelden Williams: He was a +14. I'm not terribly sure how to translate that; his defense was good in spots (last possession, for example) and awful about twice. His rebounding was no great shakes -- Houston had almost as many offensive rebounds as Sacramento had defensive rebounds, which is really f%#$ing terrible. It was mentioned in the game thread, but: Brad Miller got ejected real early in the third quarter... and he finished as the team's leading rebounder. Eep.

Shelden had a case of the Mikkis, losing one transition pass inexcusably and another in the paint which most non-crustaceans would have picked. But again, he had flashes of goodness on defense, scored some buckets and drew some fouls, and did not once play outside his own ability, which was fantastic. The last thing we need during this audition period is a kid trying to do too much, like Spencer Hawes's flirtation with the three-ball in December or Quincy Douby's forays into the pick-and-rolls. (No offense, Q, but the pick-and-roll is not your friend. There was a nice pick-and-pop with Miller in there, but as fast as QD is... sorry. The corner just isn't getting turned fast enough.)

The most impressive Shelden play of the night, however: Less than a minute left in the first half, Martin with the ball at the top of the key. Williams lays a MASSIVE pick on Battier -- so massive, Martin dribbles into the lane, loses the ball, regains possession, backs out to the three-point line right side, settles, fires up a shot... and Battier's still 10 feet away trying to get his bearings.

Hawes hasn't set tremendous picks thus far in his career; Mikki Moore's have been hit-or-miss. (He's really thin [as you well know], so it seems he compensates a little by either moving out early or shoving his shoulder into the pickee, depending on his mood.) A HUGE part of Miller's excellent offense is his ability to set definitive picks and free up his guards. With that pick on Battier, Shelden showed me he's got that attribute. I'm not sure he can drill the open 18-footer like Brad nor hit cutting baseline drivers -- in fact, I know he cannot do those things. But the stiff screens are a plus. A plus plus. Lay them out, big man, lay them out!

Closing question: Does Reggie Theus

a) think Francisco Garcia is younger than 26 years old, thus viable under the Youth and Beauty Mandate?

b) think Joe Maloof won't notice that while ancient Anthony Johnson got only 12 min, Douby got only 5 min?

c) realize that, because of Rick Adelman, this is the one game the Maloofs really, really cared about winning no matter what, to Hades with the youngsters?

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Watching Shelden Williams send Battier sprawling to the floor was a thing of beauty. SB and I watched it over and over.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 2, 2008 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

with all due respect
Nobody "stops" Kobe Bryant.  I say that and I hate the guy. But, c'mon.  Kevin is no Kobe.

Kevin's most amazing attriubte is his efficiency.  His least compelling attribute is his refusal to demand the ball. I'm tired of the guy only finding a way to get 14 or 15 shots a night.  He gives up the ball too much and still is only average off the dribble despite amazing foot speed. BTW, I don't buy the "blame the coach" excuse for his low shot attempts. If you are a great player and your teammates see you as "the man," you will get the ball. (Example: at the end the game, everybody knew McGrady was getting the shot. If it were reversed, who would have taken the shot for the Kings?  Answer: A semi-crazy guy named Ron - because he would have demanded it or his teammates would have gotten it to him.) I can't wait for him to become the leader of this team. Not sure, though, that it will happen. Leadership is an innate quality.

If he keeps improving off the dribble and can find a way to get to +20 shots a game, I really believe that he can score close to 30 a game due to his great shooting percentage and ability to get to the line. I see Kevin with an even greater upside than I might have thought coming into this season and believe that he will get much better still. Guy scores 23 a game and still has room for growth - that's something to look forward to because the kid loves the games and wants to get better.

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Leadership
A few years back (actually during last years playoffs) they said that Lebron didnt have that Jordan ability to take over the game in the 4th, or be that team leader.  Now in know way am I comparing Kevin to Lebron, but Lebron has, obviously, become the leader and go to guy and everyone know that in late game situations he is the one whos going to take that last shot.  

Will Kevin do it, that I don't know.  But the ability to do so is there.

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by ChicoKing on Apr 2, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin has the ability - not the personality
Lebron came into the league as an 18 year old boy and still was willing to take big shots. (Kobe was similar in that he was always willing to shoot - though he was not nearly as good as Lebron at that age.)  And, remember, he was being compared to the great Jordan, which was a ridiculous comparison at that point....and I guess it still is until he can win a championship.

Kevin is already 25 and shows no signs of emerging leadership abilities (or the self-confidence) that Lebron has shown at a younger age. (Lebron is a little less than 2 years younger than Kevin.) And Lebron never had the opportunity to be his team's best player in college, where you would think a player could gain confidence and learn/develop leadership qualities.

So, while I hope you are right and that Kevin can make strides in the leadership area, I am less optimistic.

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Age or college experience
has little to do with leadership. Just ask Magic Johnson how that leadership thing went for him in the 80's. Or Isiah Thomas. (Michael Jordan's early years are incredible, but he had to scale back his stats in order for the Bulls to win. Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant had alot to do with that as well.)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree about 90%
Some men mature at different ages. And college is a very important training ground for both mental and physical skills. Moreover, leadership ability is, to a certain (though lesser) degree, a matter of maturity. But, I agree with your larger point that it is largely an innate thing that is less affected by age or experience than by personality. In fact, that was the fundamental point of my initial post.

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's put this in context....
I have Kevin Martin as the sixth best SG in the league (or seventh, depending on my opinion on the K-Mart vs. Monta argument, which varies by the day).  

Kobe is the best player in the LEAGUE.

So Kobe is better than K-Mart....so are T-Mac, Wade, Ginobili (as much as i hate to admit it), and Iverson.  

If you wanna mention all swingmen, so are LeBron, Paul Pierce, Carmelo, and (maybe) Caron Butler or Ron.

Going to PG, so are CP3, Billups, Deron Williams, Baron, and Nash.

And for the PFs, so are KG, Dirk, and Bosh (though i have trouble putting any other PF's as better than him - yes, even Boozer).

And at C, Duncan, Yao, Amare (though i suppose he's a PF now), and Dwight Howard are all better than him.  

To me, he's somewhere in the 21-24 range (depending on Butler, Ron, and Ellis), in terms of best players in the league.  

But he's got upside.  

But lets not get carried away.

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by thashizzz on Apr 2, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not..
...saying Kevin is even in Kobe's league at this point. I'm just saying Martin destroyed Battier, who (like two weeks ago) completely shut down Kobe in a huge game. It's worth noting; very few wings get off on Battier.

by Tom Ziller on Apr 2, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Kobe vs. Speedracer
The two are only comparable in the fact that they play the same position. They play different games right now. Speed's efficient. Kobe's, well...not. Kobe can take over a game pretty much whenever he feels like. Speed, notsomuch. A lot of that has to do with the stage their at in their careers. If I wasn't on a sidekick I'd go to 82games or something and compare the two at the 4 year mark and see how it adds up. Although TZ probably did that months ago.
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by Muff209 on Apr 2, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Did Jerry really call him
The Zanesville Zapper?
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by section214 on Apr 2, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
Only marginally better than the Tanzanian Slovakian or whatever..

by Tom Ziller on Apr 2, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im Glad...
that Kevin is finally starting to really demand the ball throughout the game. He knows he is our best offense and its really starting to show.

I'm proud of him

by kingsTV on Apr 2, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't retire the number, retire the coach
Is it just me, or was that Adelman-ass shit at the end of last night's game.  In the final minute, he had three opportunities to call a timeout and get his team on the same page.  But Adelman being Adelman, he just rolled his eyes and shrugged his shoulders while the Rockets had one bad possession after another.  Classic Adelman basketball.
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by DB on Apr 2, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

exactly
why i wanted us to part ways with him two years ago. He NEVER called a timeout to stop another teams flow.

Glad to see he still hasn't changed. Doomed to a first round exit for him this year.

by kingsTV on Apr 2, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Yao Ming has nothing to do with that
in any way either.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Rick is terrible
that's why he has, oh, 600 wins.  And how many times did we go to the playoffs with him? How many times w/o?  Yup, Rick is just plain awful.
Obviously, he does not understand the game of basketball.  If Houston is smart, they will fire him for his poor coaching and hire the midget to replace him.

Good job, Maloofs!!!!!  

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

800 wins
Does that mean he sucks 25% more?
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by section214 on Apr 2, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for the correction...
Section.

And, yes, he obviously sucks 25% more. I mean 800 wins, come on, he obviously is just wasting air on a NBA sideline.  

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

and
how many times has he failed in the playoffs. Granted he is a great coach, it was the things like not calling timeouts that absolutely bugged me

by kingsTV on Apr 2, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You only fail in the playoffs
when you have the BETTER team. (He's failed a couple of times. 1991 and 2002. Other than that I'm not sure he actually failed in the playoffs.)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back to Martin
NBA Scoring Leaders (Pts., shots per game, salary):

  • LeBron - 30 on 22, $13M
  • Kobe - 29 on 21, $19.5M
  • AI - 27 on 19, $19M
  • 'Melo - 26 on 19, $13M
  • Amare - 25 on 15, $13.8M
  • D.Wade - 25 on 18, $13M
  • Dirk - 24 on 17, $16.4M
  • Kevin - 23 on 15, $1.8M
  • Redd - 23 on 17, $14.5M
  • Jefferson - 23 on 16, $12.2M
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by section214 on Apr 2, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the post
I would like to point out that even at Martin's new salary of ~10 million a year, he is STILL the lowest paid person on the list.
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by 27freethrows on Apr 2, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

They Are Paid More
Simply because they are better. The only guys on that list that you can seriously put Kevin Martin into the same conversation are Redd and Jefferson.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Apr 2, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

100% agreed
but that doesnt make his production any less impressive, nor his value any less.  I and will go a little further and say Martin is better than Redd and Jefferson.
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by 27freethrows on Apr 2, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

K-Mart has gotten better as the
team has gotten worse. Redd is the same player he was at the beginning of his massive deal. But that team goes as Bogut or Williams goes. Not Redd. I think Martin's star is proving to be something worthwhile in both pay (even when you include the extension) and efficient production.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The follow up question
is how much better can the other guys on the list become and how much better can Kevin become. The people above him on the list are clearly better. Most of them have more games under their belts and / or had a better pedigree coming into the NBA. We all know what we want Kevin to become. But for the number of games that he has started in his short career I am very impressed with what he has already accomplished. I mean, if he is better than Jefferson and Redd that's pretty damn good, isn't it?

Make no mistake. I have no illusions that he will become Kobe or LeBron. He may not be the Alpha Male that leads this team to glory. Perhaps he's Robin and not Batman. But did anyone see this coming when the Kings spent their 26th pick on him a few years ago?

Kevin Martin makes my glass half full, not half empty. I toast him with my half full glass.

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by section214 on Apr 2, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Have to Agree
It's easy to pick at Kmart and say what he isn't. If you focus on what he is, you discover a pretty good and clever player. And he's going to get better.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Apr 3, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

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