Reggie stop talking to the media

by richmond02 on Apr 21, 2008 4:08 PM PDT

I dont care if Reggie won more games than musselman did or that he didnt develop Hawes, Douby, and Williams more what i care about is his mistreatment of his players in the media. He repeatedly calls ron artest their best player yet he was dieing to be traded before feb 21 and who knows where he'll be next year, he knocks Kevin Martin over and over again by saying that he cant just throw him the ball, if this is how you feel you can keep it to yourself players have egos and reporters have the job of getting responses after statements like that are made. John Salmons a guy who just received a nice contract prior to the musselman season was seen in Reggies eyes as an excellent talent but someone who might not be playing in Sac next year, keep this to yourself because he could end up being the starting 3 if artest goes against his agent's wishes and opts out. He made a hypocrite out of himself by telling the media he was changing the culture with his curfews and no cell phone rules but after being the biggest offender of both he repealed them. He went to the media about Bibby, Martin, and Artest not starting after coming off of injuries before said players were notified, and Bibby in particular was perturbed by hearing this via the media. The great coaches are either quiet and mysterious a la Phil Jackson and (not to bring up taboo subjects but) Rick Adelman or are hardnosed, assholes with snide remarks for reporters like Bobby Knight, Pat Riley, Bill Parcells. Rarely does someone as candid and honest as Reggie is with reporters have a long career becuase they end up alienating players by giving honest evaluations publicly. And after this last little tirade that Reggie went on at seasons end its obvious that although he claims to have learned a lot this season he is still green as ever.

my other main complaint with reggie is why are you trying to have someone you can just throw the ball to. Ron artest and Kevin Martin are both capable but neither one will ever be kobe so lets devise an offense based on motion, screens, and passing a la the Kings under adelman. Obviously we dont have those same pieces we had back then but the number of iso plays that we ran last year was sickening. Franchise players are for lazy coaches, stop trying to be lazy reggie because neither martin nor artest constitute our franchise.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Sir Don't feel picked on, but Run-on's are difficult to read after a workday

Or before a workday. Or an off-day. Or for anyone who has advanced past the 5th grade and has had to write an essay at some point. While you don’t have to be David Halberstam, William Shakespeare, or Ernest Hemingway; it is preferable that you write things in grammatically correct paragraphs.

As far as to what you wrote, John Salmons being the starting 3? Whoever came up with such a novel concept? I mean geesh.

Phil Jackson isn’t mysterious. He’s an asshole, and he’s used many of his tactics in the media similar to what Reggie’s done. What’s the difference? He’s coached in Chicago and LA, which happen to be far bigger media markets, not to mention more people, and he’s had superstars that did alot of the work he didn’t have to. Phil Jackson’s greatest asset as a coach has NEVER been the way he’s kept Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in line. His greatest asset is the way he’s prepared the role players and the way he lets his teams function as a whole. Of course having Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant allow you to do that.

Rick Adelman is a dour subject here, but his time had nearly ended here. I respect what he did, after many years of not respecting him, and I believe he’s the most under-rated coach in NBA history. The 2-0 deficit to Utah not-withstanding.

Why bring up Bobby Knight? He coached college. The pro’s and college are not anywhere near the same. It’s not comparing tangerines to oranges. It’s comparing watermelons to apples.

What does Pat Riley have to do with Reggie Theus? Why mention Bill Parcells?

I agree that Reggie needs to learn how he uses the media to get his message across. I wholeheartedly agree with that statement, and quite honestly, that’s the real news story, that nobody, including me, has seemed to communicate. I’m glad you did bring it up.

Umm, Franchise Players win you championships. Phil Jackson is alot of things, a complete and perfect asshole among them, but he isn’t lazy. Neither is Gregg Popovich, and this is the same Pop who has said he won’t coach without Tim Duncan around. Life is different with those players, and there isn’t any other way to state it.

We could build ping-pong ball shrines and make sacrifices at them, like broken ping-pong paddles, or burning Peaches in effigy--LPA

by pookeyguru on Apr 22, 2008 1:57 AM PDT reply reply 0 recs

So true

Life is different with those players, and there isn’t any other way to state it.

Couldn’t agree more Pookey.

Phil uses the media to give the needle to his employees occasionally, but most of the time he uses it as a bonding tool with his players (sarcastic remarks about opponents, bitching about the refs, etc.) What he doesn’t do is feel the need to keep defending the stupid shit he occasionally says. Reggie needs to learn that – to compliment one of his players without insulting another AND to quit calling into every local sports show that criticizes him.

He needs to learn that less is more when it comes to a coach’s dealing with the media, IMO.

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Apr 22, 2008 5:19 AM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

He needs to learn that Sacramento is not LA and his recent media posturing

doesn’t work well in a company town. Most people in Sacramento aren’t EAGER to criticize the Kings. Many grudgingly only do so when forced with no other alternative.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Apr 22, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

apologies on the runons. how has reggie used the media the same way as phil jackson, if reggie was in one of those bigger markets his mishaps with the media would be making national headlines and would be a constant topic on sportscenter. Phil has never given Odom or Pippen the type of treatment that reggie’s given kevin in the media. and its one thing to call a guy out like s van gundy did earlier this year with Howard and his rebounding and defense but thats not what Reggie does.

I bring up Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells because they are two of the best coaches in history, nobody has more wins than Bobby Knight in college basketball and Bill Parcels is a football legend. To be a coach one mus have more than just knowledge in their sport, a good part of coaching is the ability to lead and when it comes to talking to the press (which is the area that i was comparing the two) their knowledge of their particular sport is less important than the way in which they lead. i also always hear coaches saying that theyve learned from guys in different sports, this may just be out of politeness but their are many similarities in coaching no matter the sport.

and when i say a franchise player allows you to be lazy as a coach i mean that you dont have to come up with differnt plays, you can be like reggie and run iso every time or pick and roll every time but without one of those guys you have to be slightly more inventive, we dont have one of those guys yet the plays we run would suggest we do.

And what does pat riley have to do with reggie theus? he is a successful coach and reggie has yet to prove himself. if i were reggie i would see riles as an example of how to succeed and up to this point the two handle the media quite differently. Or well, perhaps up until the heat won their last championship because lately he has been a bit more open with the press.

"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"

by richmond02 on Apr 22, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

It's ok on the run-on's just wanted to make the point is all

Now I don’t care the type of treatment Phil has given his player’s in the media. This isn’t a compare and contrast session. The point I’m making is that comparing Phil Jackson and Reggie Theus doesn’t work because the situations aren’t comparable. And they may never be unless Theus wins multiple championships with the Kings. In which case we definitely aren’t talking about the recent he-she said session between Grant and the Sacramento Bee, Reggie and the English speaking world, and Sam and the 2 aforementioned players in the he-she said game. (This of course bears in mind that it centered entirely around Kevin, who said one thing, and one thing only to Sam publicly. Sam, interestingly, and ironically enough, only said one thing in public also. It might bear in mind what’s bullshit and what isn’t in this whole deal. Although I do think we all know that.)

Bobby Knight has never coached NBA basketball, and while the strides Reggie made @ New Mexico State had merit, nobody confused Bobby Knight with Reggie either. Bobby Knight is a legend, and deservedly so. Reggie, though, has coached at the NBA level, and Bobby Knight hasn’t. So therefore I don’t see the comparison. Because I don’t see NBA coaching to be worse than college coaching (a fact you might dis-agree), we probably won’t agree on much in this realm I suspect.

As far as Bill Parcells, yes he’s been successful. But why compare a NFL coach to a NBA coach? Where is the real comparison there? What’s useful by comparing them? Especially when the composition of a NFL team is far different, and takes different strategies, than a NBA team?

Again, where does Pat Riley fall into the Reggie Theus category? Riley, too, is a legend and far more accomplished than Theus will be unless Theus wins multiple championships with the Kings (or some NBA team) as well.

I agree that a good part of a coach is the ability to lead and talking to the media as a whole. You made that point, in the original diary (fanpost), and I agree with you. If you’re saying that Riley and Jackson are the gold standard’s for NBA coaches, I might disagree slightly (on Riley), but for the most part, again, I agree that’s a standard Theus should probably live up to. What I don’t see is where there is a real comparison. Magic Johnson, and Dwyane Wade don’t play in Sacramento. Neither do Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Alonzo Mourning or Shaquille O’Neal.

I agree that there are similarities in coaching, but I’m not sure they aren’t anything useful in an actual analysis of a specific coach at a specific time in his coaching career. That is rather narrowly specific, and no matter what anybody says, there isn’t usually 2 times of anything. There are similarities over time, sure why wouldn’t there be, that being said it doesn’t seem to be much of anything.

Why did I write this whole lengthy diatribe for? To say this: Apples, Oranges, and watermelons are all just that: Apples, Oranges, and Watermelons. Why compare the three? Why bother? What use is in that exercise?

Let me also address the point about laziness in coaching. I think Reggie is in a tough spot. He has only a few ways to keep Ron Artest integrated with the Kings as a whole, and keep him playing up to a certain level. If he feels that by running isolation-heavy sets is the best way to keep Ron integrated with the team as a whole, then perhaps that’s yet another argument against Reggie being coupled with Ron, and with Ron on the Kings period. That being said the real question is that what happens if Ron ISN’T on the Kings next year. What does Reggie do then? Does Reggie change that?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Apr 22, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply reply 0 recs

not sure what happened to this paragraph

and when i say a franchise player allows you to be lazy as a coach i mean that you can run pick and roll or iso every time down court but we dont have one of those players so we need to be more inventive in our play calling and stop pretending that we have a franchise player in either ron or kevin.

"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"

by richmond02 on Apr 22, 2008 2:37 PM PDT reply reply 0 recs