Ron Artest For Josh Howard?

by section214 on May 14, 2008 2:04 PM PDT in Ron-Ron

Place this one firmly under the heading of "rumor mill," but Sam Amick files this story on his blog in the Sacramento Bee. Cliff notes version - Rick Carlisle loves Ron-Ron and wouldn't mind coaching him again. The bait might be Josh Howard.

Howard has three years at a total of $34 million remaining on his contract, not to mention a bit of a public relations problem after admitting to imbibing in weed (but hey, only in the off season) and then performing poorly in the playoffs. On the other hand, the 20 pt., 7 reb. Howard would be a considerable upgrade over (say) John Salmons, albeit at better than twice the price.

Another spin (of my own mad creation) would be Artest and one of our 2nd round picks for Jerry Stackhouse (1 yr. @ $7 million) and Brandon Bass (1 yr. @ $800 thousand and a future 1st round pick (Dallas' #21 pick this year belongs to New Jersey via the Jason Kidd trade). Bass has some potential and the contract load of this deal is a non-issue.

Be sure to read Amick's entire article - find out how Ron may become the next Angela Tsai!

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Meh

I like Howard better than Artest but only because of Artests personal issues. Artest is a much better player. We need a SF that can shoot the three. Smith is a good rebounder and is athletic but not a great shooter and not a playmaker. Even worse than most small forwards. His steal rate is very bad. Personally, I would MUCH rather trade for Caron Butler. He is the same age as Josh Smith but is better in just about every category: steals (2.1 pg), playmaking (4.9 apg), shooting % AND 3-pt shooting. I realize the Wizards may not want to trade him as they shouldn’t but Josh Smith, while a slight improvement over Artest ONLY in off-court issues (maybe), is just not an improvement. He doesn’t shoot threes great, does not set up his teamates and is not a great defender team or otherwise.

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by dalt99 on May 14, 2008 2:56 PM PDT 0 recs

I think you meant

Josh Howard not Josh Smith… right?

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by kangsfan on May 14, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

Correct!

Yes, Howard, not Smith.

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by dalt99 on May 15, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

josh howard

is a good individual defender.

There is an uncertainty that determines whether this will be a good trade or a bad trade: Josh Howards work effort. Does he play like last-season (his All-Star season), or does he continue regressing? I think he’ll bounce back (especially in a new system), so I voted for the trade. but if there’s going to be a point of contention, that’ll be the question. Josh Howard is a legitimate talent, and while he’s old (28), his contract isn’t audacious and’ll keep him here till before his talent level may drop off. Hard call to make, but like Amick points out, it’s alot better than most offers the Kings have gotten.

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by iashwash on May 16, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

28=old

That was mean.

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by section214 on May 16, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

old for a "young and upcoming" player

so, while his NBA mileage isn’t as much for most 28 year olds, his cieling is understandably lower because of his age. But you knew that already, and your joke wasn’t criticism so I really have no idea why I’m posting this.

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by iashwash on May 16, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Wow gotta say I'm proud of Sam though

I think this is a terrific idea from a number of angles. First off, Dallas doesn’t really need to negotiate a new contract with Ron, in fact it’s better for them they don’t as a matter of fact, but the truth is that if this rumor persists, it may convince Ron that he has a suitor out there that will pay him the 10 mil plus he’s been seeking.

I think it’s quite simple. The deal makes sense. Howard brings alot of things, but clearly isn’t the 2nd banana that Dallas needs. Artest is the type of player that will help Dallas in a variety of ways, and given their early exit, help them with a number of problematic matchup’s across the board, and because of Carlisle’s presence be a far stronger candidate to win games in the playoff’s in 2009. This is also perhaps the last of a grab move for Dallas to win that coveted brass ring. One of the problems Dallas has is they can’t matchup Dirk with anyone defensively out west. In fact they never have. Because of this difficult detail it has come with great difficulty whom they decide is the best opponent for Dirk defensively. Howard, while not the defender Artest, is a plus defender, and will automatically become the best board man on the Kings the moment he steps on the court. Much ado will be made about the pot, and that’s just much ado. Noone in everyday America doesn’t know people, or done so themselves, who don’t smoke/inhale pot. That’s just the reality of things. Besides that’s baggage that will make Josh Howard a welcome sight in Sacramento. The other real problem about Howard is that he’s older than most 5 year players in the current NBA. So, partly, this gives the chance for the Kings to move on from Artest without mortgaging a huge chunk of the future for a player who isn’t drawing a superstar salary without the obligation.

The best part about this deal is that Howard’s value is roughly near the same as Caron Butler (who won’t be traded to le Bullets, and while not the playmaker Caron Butler is, is certainly far more avaluable, and the bonus part is that Artest can fit far greater in Dallas’ new system than anything he could bring to Washington. (I think the Bullet’s perspective is quite simple. They aren’t great rebounding, and you need more than 2 defenders in the starting lineup to greatly diminish the amount of points allowed.)

Btw, dalt, I think you’re talking about Josh Howard, but I agree that Josh Smith isn’t the answer for the Kings either.

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by pookeyguru on May 14, 2008 3:40 PM PDT 0 recs

An addendum for things to be considered

Dallas would probably be interested in getting a good shooter who could play alongside with Jason Kidd. It wouldn’t hurt the Kings to throw in Quincy Douby to make the salaries work with Ron Artest for Josh Howard does it? My point is simple actually. You can’t just trade Artest for Howard straight up. So why not put Douby in the deal to make it work financially? Hell, you can play Douby with both Terry and Kidd either way. He might be the kind of 3rd guard that the Mavs could use moving forward. And it’s a hell of a lot better than trading the Cisko kid is it not?

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by pookeyguru on May 14, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, you have to throw in

Douby, or Howard might try to smoke him when he gets here.

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by Kfan in Korea on May 14, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Do you mean off in the assassination sense? Or just smoke out; like let's share a bowl dude?

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by pookeyguru on May 14, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Josh would surely want to

smoke A Douby when he got here. Could cause some problems. I think you were joking too, but if not, sorry that my humor wasn’t clear.

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by Kfan in Korea on May 14, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

No worries man, and yes I was joking

(Being serious has it own side-effects.)

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by pookeyguru on May 15, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

If you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly

Artest/K9(woof!)/Douby/2nd round pick for Howard/Stackhouse.

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by section214 on May 14, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

a bit ironic

if the Mavs trade Howard for Douby cuz he smoked doobies.

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by iashwash on May 14, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Forget about the trade

Ron Artest getting his Angela Tsai on for the Monarchs is the real story. Granted it still won’t get me to watch the WNBA, it’s just hilarious.

Oh and I’m all for trading for Josh Howard (surprise!)

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by Muff209 on May 14, 2008 6:25 PM PDT 0 recs

Bassssssssss

brandon bass has alot of potential, he was a very solid post-season player

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by maiku on May 14, 2008 8:10 PM PDT 0 recs

Bass

I wouldn’t trade Artest for Bass. He’s a free agent why not just grab him with the MLE.

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by kingme18 on May 14, 2008 8:14 PM PDT 0 recs

Bass

Both Hoopshype and Shamsports show him as under contract for next year, and ESPN shows him as a limited salary protection player, so it does not appear that he is a free agent.

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by section214 on May 14, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up 0 recs

I can see the Dallas Headlines now...

Maverick’s pick up a Douby, for their Douby abuser~

by dkons21 on May 14, 2008 9:00 PM PDT 0 recs

"Douby Artest Swapped For Doobie Artist"

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by Holmdel on May 15, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

In all seriousness...

Wouldn’t a trade involving Artest for Howard basically leave us in a similar scenerio we are in now? We get another Small forward, which leaves Salmons on the bench where he has APPALLING stats. This small forward we would recieve already has issues that people would make a fus over. And he has a higher salary, and longer term.

I could not see this working out to our advantage without serious restructuring that involves us either getting rid of a hydra+gaining descent pf, or back up PG

by dkons21 on May 14, 2008 9:03 PM PDT 0 recs

How about I beat a dead horse?

I’ve totally mentioned this before. How about:

Artest to Dallas
Howard to Golden State
B Wright and filler to Sac

makes room for Salmons to start and gives Garcia more minutes as a backup. Gives us the stud PF w/ potential that we need. Resign Beno. Draft a backup PG

by vfettke on May 14, 2008 9:56 PM PDT 0 recs