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The Difference Between an Artest Player Option and an Artest Early Termination Option

(Note: Update at the bottom.)

Does Ron Artest have a player option for 2008-09, or an early termination option?

It's more than semantics. An option can be picked up at any point between the end of the season and June 30. However, with an ETO, there's nothing to submit in order to stay so his status would be up in the air (no matter what he or agent Mark Stevens say) until July 1.

So, the scenarios would be:

If it's an ETO:

  • he executes it at some point, and is therefore (as an unrestricted free agent) untradeable until after July 1, in which case a sign-and-trade could be completed.
  • he doesn't execute it, but is still untradeable until after July 1 because he could potentially execute it at some point before July 1.

If it's a player option:

  • he picks it up at some point, and is therefore immediately tradeable.
  • he doesn't pick it up, and because he could potentially execute it at some point, is therefore untradeable until after July 1 .

So if it's an ETO, there is no way to trade Artest on draft day. If it's a player option, Artest can be traded on draft day only if he submits paperwork to invoke the option prior to the draft.

I asked Sam Amick, whom is familiar with Ron's contract. He tells me it's an ETO.

Put away those trade ideas which involve Artest being moved on draft day.

UPDATE (May 25, 7:23 a.m.): pookeyguru finds an example of a trade involving a lottery pick not being official until after the July 1 milestone (as well as the typical 1-2 week "break" the NBA holds at the start of July, when deals are verbally consummated but not approved): the Gay and Swift for Battier trade. However, this one didn't involve the extra hurdle of a potential free agent, nor did it involve an agent like Mark Stevens, who has a record of shaking things up when his client's future is uncertain. (Thanks pookey, for finding that.)

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But there is nothing that says player, agent and teams can’t agree to a deal in principle on June 26th and then pull the trigger July 1st, right? Since Artest would still be under contract to the KIngs on June 26th this would not fall under the heading of tampering, since you have the rights to the player on that day. This makes a deal a little trickier, as everyone involved has to be 100% on board when the other team’s draft pick is made, and involving a 3rd or 4th team in a deal becomes a logistics nightmare.

Put another way, you could agree to deal Artest, Douby, your #12 and #42 pick (and maybe a future top 10 protected #1) for Miami’s #2 pick and Blount. You just can’t pull the trigger on the deal until July 1, and you have to be certain that you have all parties that could injure the deal (players with options or no trade clauses and their agents) on board.

Everything that I just wrote is a question, not a statement. Thoughts?

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by section214 on May 24, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That seems right, though I can’t recall a draft day trade involving picks ever waiting to July 1. Anyone else have an idea?

by Ziller on May 24, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m specifically wondering if the Battier for Gay and Swift trade had a delay, keeping Gay from being introduced in Memphis for a week.

by Ziller on May 24, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Via Espn Transactions Page

The Link is here.

July 13, 2006 Acquired forwards Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift from the Houston Rockets for forward Shane Battier.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2008 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well bully. I’ll update the post. I still believe this is trickier, because we’re dealing with a potential FA, one whose agent makes rather odd statements.

by Ziller on May 25, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and thanks Pookey.

by Ziller on May 25, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

he can’t be traded? or no one will want to trade for him because he might then opt out? If the latter is true then technically, a team that really wants some cap space could trade for him and let him opt out. Worst case scenario for them is he doesn’t opt out and the have him for a year. Granted, this is unlikely

by vfettke on May 24, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be “can’t.” You can’t trade a free agent—Artest, by the rules of the NBA, cannot be traded until July 1. So only 214’s suggestion above would be possible, and even then we’re unclear.

by Ziller on May 24, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kinda silly...

So on Draft Night Riley can’t just decide to give us the #2 pick for Artest, their first rounder, and a future first rounder in the hopes that Artest opts out and the Heat can get some extra cap space? This is a totally unlikely situation, but its kind of dumb that a team isn’t able to do that if they wanted.

this isn’t important at all, i’m probably just a little more curious due to the alcohol i have imbibed.

by vfettke on May 24, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The CBA has outlawed that for a long time

With good reason. Trust me you don’t want to walk down that road.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2008 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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