Artest 'Will Never Accept a Mid-Level Exception' ... But the Lakers Want Him

by Ziller on Jun 22, 2008 7:47 AM PDT Comment 49 comments

Let's face it. The Lakers are suddenly answering to a "soft" label and have undeniable defensive and toughness issues on the perimeter that Pierce repeatedly exploited. Factor in Jackson's proven ability to handle personalities like Artest, Artest's friendship with Bryant and the Lakers' known interest in acquiring him before Gasol's arrival and the Sacramento swingman becomes a natural target. ...

Artest told ESPN.com earlier this week that he's "99 percent sure" he won't be opting out of the final year of his contract by the June 30 deadline. Assuming he doesn't change his mind, Artest would thus be available to the Lakers only via trade, which would then require two old rivals to come together on a deal … with Sacramento likely to insist on holding out for Odom's expiring contract in exchange for Artest and Kenny Thomas. ...

Artest followed up our Tuesday interview with an e-mail Thursday in which he said: "Even if I was to opt out, which probably won't happen, I will never accept a mid-level exception. So people trying to figure out possibilities should get that out of their heads."

If the Kings pulled off the Odom deal including K-9 (woof!), the team could hit the free agent market one year early -- next summer ... if they cut strings with Shelden Williams and Quincy Douby. Considering the Kings give Beno the midlevel this summer, the team would have $12 million in room before re-upping Francisco Garcia. (This assumes they cut Mikki Moore loose, which saves $4 million.)

Assume Garcia gets a $5 million/year contract which stretches to sometime between 2012 and 2014. That $7 million of cap space doesn't really help much, does it? But fast forward to January/February 2010, a few months before the Summer of Want, where any of two dozen teams will be salivating over free agents like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Amare Stoudemire, and Chris Bosh.

Teams will be begging for expiring contracts that deadline period. Begging. You'll have a $12 million Brad Miller and a $6.6 million Shareef Abdur-Rahim chillin'. AND: you'll be able to take back more than you give ... you could conceivably pry a $20 million superstar from a team looking for a cap space without gutting the team. Having the cap space makes blockbuster deals easier. And these wouldn't have to be for one of these free agents (their Bird rights will be too valuable); it could be for another stud who just isn't working out in his town (like the two big names which moved over the last 12 months, Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol).

Also, one could argue Odom makes the Kings better this year, as his rebounding and scoring ability far surpasses those of Mikki Moore. If you imagine a world in which John Salmons excels again in the starting role, the trade-off isn't dire ... even though it's almost completely a cap move.

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Odom deal unlikely

Odom on the Kings sound absolutely enticing but I think the Lakers can find better offers such as Shawn Marion of Miami that would make sense on so many more levels than Artest. Marion is unselfish, he can defend, can still shoot the three and the Lakers wouldn’t lose any of their rebounding that they would give up if they give up Odom.

I think the Lakers would want a draft pick if they were to do this deal probably even the no.12 pick.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 22, 2008 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"Marion is unselfish"

He couldn’t be happy on a team where the superstar gives him the ball, he’s going to be overjoyed playing with a me-first ballhog?

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jun 23, 2008 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Odom for Marion would work under the salary cap

But Artest/Douby for Odom wouldn’t work by itself under the CBA regulations unless you added Shelden Williams too.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

that the Kings would swing a deal with the Lakers, period. But if they did, they would have to want to strap K9(woof!) to Artest for Odom.

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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well put sir

Of course Artest + Thomas does work, and is a far better deal at least in terms of money for the Kings next year. That would be an interesting deal to do. I don’t want Odom, but getting rid of K9? You could always trade Odom somewhere else too.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

S&T

Odom would also be an easier candidate for a S&T than Artest, and he makes so much now that you wouldn’t have to worry about any BYC issues when making the deal either.

I don’t like the idea of making LAL any better, but I’d pull the trigger on a Odom for Artest & K9 deal unless there was something better/equal out there for Artest that didn’t help the Lakers in the process (Outlaw, Jack, & #13?).

by smgmatt on Jun 25, 2008 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Salmons

I thought Salmons really struggled with Artest in the startling line-up. Salmons game seems like it’s predicated on getting enough touches to excel. John never did play well with Iverson in the line-up and really struggled with Artest and Bibby playing keep away from everybody else.

I’m split on Ron-Ron, he’s so talented yet he’s such an enigma and his desire to win is unparalleled but sometimes that could put too much pressure on the team especially a team that is so young and obviously not talented enough to win a championship in the foreseeable future.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 22, 2008 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I know I have said this before

but I would do this trade in a second. Getting rid of K9 (woof!) by itself deserves a parade through old town.
I lived in Miami for the year that Odom played there and saw what he could do when he plays to his full potential. I realize that was a few years ago, but I still think he is a good player who could completely turn around when getting yelled at by Kobe all day. Plus, if he really is terrible then we only have to deal with him for one year.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 22, 2008 8:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

We'd Have Even More Cap Room

If we didn’t resign Garcia and instead packaged him in a deal for a bigger chip. $5 million here and $5 million there starts to add up. Cheaper role players are available.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 22, 2008 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

But Garcia is a pretty good player...

I think most fans believe that Garcia is part of the Kings future. He plays multiple positions and has improved by leaps and bounds every year in the league. Entering his fourth season, Garcia could either start or play huge minutes at the the small, back-up Martin at the 2 and play the point in a big line-up. There might be cheaper role players available but Garcia is more versatile than most, his defense has improved, as has his outside shooting and leadership. I think it would take a lot to pry Garcia out of the Kings hands especially with his relationship with Theus. Obviously, no King except Martin is off limits (which you will now argue) but I think the Kings would have to get a pretty big offer to move Garcia like taking on one of the nasty Hydra contracts.

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by jjham15 on Jun 22, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree, jj

We’re not looking for cap space this season anyway. Petrie has said that he expects to be a player in the FA market in 2010, but having Odom as a big expiring THIS year instead of having K9 as a big expiring NEXT year would move us up a year.

I like it on a lot of levels, and I think TMHayes is right, that Odom would play better in a system where he is valued and not a fourth or fifth option.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia's defense

is excellent. 2nd best defender on the team next to Artest. (Although, Salmons has nights when you could argue that he’s pretty darn good as well.) I love El Flaco’s team D and his hustle. I hope he stays because every good team needs a guy like Garcia.

by Kusian on Jun 22, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"especially with his relationship with Theus"

so you think Theus will be brought back…interesting.

"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"

by richmond02 on Jun 22, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cant let him go

Garcia has too much potential, and fits this team well. He’s a great defender, and doesnt get scared down the stretch. I’d give him 4-5 million a year in a second. Anything more, and thats stretching it.

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by 27freethrows on Jun 22, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia

27 and I are 100% agreed on this. He’s a great 6th man for a long time.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 23, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Francisco Glue-cia

Like Vlade, what he provides can’t always be quantified in a stat sheet.

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by section214 on Jun 23, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YEP

yep yep – And he can fill the stat sheet nicely in a lot of ways…A real threat off the bench.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no brainer

that deal is a no brainer to me.

by cwebb on Jun 22, 2008 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh....

Odom’s been under-performing his entire career, and coming to Sacramento wouldn’t turn anything around for him. When he’s “on” or playing to potential, he’s really good, but that rarely happens. Plus, without fail, he always disappears when the pressure is on. I’d want no part of Lamar on the Kings, but equally important: Artest would be a good fit on the Lakers; they’d be deadly with him and Kobe paired together, and the Kings should never be in the business of making the Lakers better.

by Slippery Otter on Jun 22, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

QUINCY DOUBY

IM TIRED OF THIS WEBSITE, & THE PEOPLE ON HERE CONSTANTLY BLASTING QUINCY DOUBY.. THE KID HAS GAME, HE JUST NEVER GOTTEN A CHANCE TO SHOW IT BECAUSE HE HAS A IDIOT COACH THAT DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING.. REGGIE THEUS HAS THIS MIND SET WHERE HE FEELS SINCE YOU’RE IN THE NBA, YOU AUTOMATICALLY SHOULD BE READY TO PLAY. HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND HE NEEDS TO STILL DEVELOPE HIS YOUNG PLAYERS & HELP THE GROW. WE SEEN THAT THIS YEAR.. THATS THE SAME REASON WHY THE MALOOFS BLASTED HIM ABOUT PLAYING THE YOUNG GUYS… WHEN DOUBY TURNS IT AROUND NEXT YEAR & HAS A BREAK OUT YEAR, I DONT WANT TO SEE ONE DAMN PERSON ON THIS WEBSITE, EVEN THE OWNER START HOPING ON THE BAND WAGON SUPPORTING THE KID.. CAUSE YALL OBVIOUSLY DONT LIKE THE KID.. HE NEEDS TO GET TRADED SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE HE’LL BE GIVEN A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW CASE HIS TALENT

by JustaRealDude on Jun 22, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Relax, Quincy, Relax

But it’s nice to see some Kings players actually read the posts on this site.

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by Holmdel on Jun 22, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa there, RealDude.

Maybe you don’t realize this, but POSTING IN ALL CAPS ain’t cool. It’s the equivalent of writing a letter to the editor with a fat, purple crayon.

Imagine if you’re hanging out in a bar with a few friends, talking and laughing and somebody walks in screaming his head off. People are gonna try to ignore the guy, hoping he’ll calm down.

What you’re saying about Douby is actually kind of interesting because we’ve all seen moments when he’s shown what he can do. And I’ve got some doubts myself about Theus.

But you’ll get your point across a whole lot better if you type your stuff in regular case like everybody else.

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(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 22, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quincy!

I agree that you haven’t been given a consistent chance to play, but I don’t think calling the coach an idiot is helping matters. The coach should definitely have given you a chance late last season. Try not to get mad. A LOT of young players go through this. Look at Gerald Wallace’s career. He didn’t play at all for three full years and became a star in his fourth season. Just keep working hard and you’ll get your chance, even if it isn’t in Sacramento.

by Carl on Jun 22, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

BUT AS LONG AS I’VE BEEN ON HERE, YALL NEVER COMMENT ON REGGIE THEUS.. HIS PLAYERS BARELY RESPECT THE MAN. WHAT HAS HE DONE OR ACCOMPLISHED TO EVEN BE A NBA HEAD COACH? 1 YEAR AT NEW MEXICO STATE, WOW!! THEY SIGNED HIM BECAUSE HE’S GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE MALOOFS AND THEY OBVIOUSLY FELT HE WOULD BRING MORE FANS TO THE GAMES WITH HIS POPULARITY.. LOOK AT GARCIA.. GARCIA HAD A BREAK OUT YR BECAUSE REGGIE FAVORTISED HIM AND LET HIM GO OUT THERE PLAY FREELY BECAUSE HE COACHED HIM BEFORE.. COMPARED TO DOUBY, IT WAS ONE MISTAKE AND YOU’RE OUT THE GAME.. YOU CANT EXPECT THE KID TO GET BETTER WHEN HIS COACH IS AGAINST HIM.. BUT WHEN HE LET HIM PLAY FINALLY, HE ENDED THE YEAR AVERAGEING 14.4PPG. HAD SOME SOLID GAMES DOWN THE STRETCH AGAINST SAN ANTONIO, NEW ORLEANS & THE LAKERS… THAT 32 POINT GAME WAS JUST A SIGN OF WHAT HE CAN DO.. AND NO IT WASNT A MEANINGLESS GAME BECAUSE THE LAKERS NEEDED THAT GAME 2 CLINCH FIRST PLACE. ON TOP OF THAT, HE WAS KILLING THEM SO BAD THEY KEPT PLAYING HARD, DONT TELL ME THEY WERENT.. START POINT OUT THE COACHES FLAWS BEFORE YOU START TALKING TRASH ON DOUBY…

by JustaRealDude on Jun 22, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude, no more caps.

Also: Are you kidding me re: Theus? We crushed Reggie when he made dumb comments about Ron and Kevin.

And I dare you to find bigger QD boosters than us. Yeah, we’re disappointed in his NBA career to his point … but I guarantee you he’s disappointed, too. I called him the next Eddie House like two days ago, man!

by Ziller on Jun 22, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

can we send this

to Sam Amick as a direct quote from you Qincy?

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 22, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh??? im not a player.. im just a fan

by JustaRealDude on Jun 22, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Erm -

Did I miss something? ”...if they cut strings with Quincy Douby” was the only reference I could find regarding the young man in this post/thread. That’s not exactly a damnation of QD.

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by section214 on Jun 22, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tooo Soooon!

Please stop, stop, stop the Odem for Artest talk. We don’t want Odem, we don’t want the Lakers to have Artest. Do We?? BUILD around KMart, Artest and FGarcia and Hawes. They’re all young, they’re all Winners. To even speak of trading away an obvious perenial 6th man candidate like Francisco makes me ill and makes me wonder what some are smoking. Start from scratch? Give up on QD? Already? Why? He’s certainly not a liability on the team or on the cap. What, Shoot for 2012, then 2014, then …? Build on what your assets are, try to eliminate your liabilities as best you can (you know who), start adding the right piece or two now and next year and the veteran leadership of Kmart, Artest and Garcia CAN, with the right mix and a little luck (everyone needs some) – lead us to the promised land. SAVE RON ARTEST!

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 22, 2008 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Do the Lakers want to do this?

Stein and other mainstream media guys have speculated about this, but as a Laker blogger i can say the Lakers front office has said they plan to make no big moves and that they want to see what a front line of Odom/Gasol/Bynum can do. I think they would take Artest for the midlevel but they are not going to trade LO for him.

Personally, I don’t want Artest in a Laker uniform, despite his defense I think Artest is a bad fit in the Laker offense. Plus, if the complaint of Lakers fans is that Odom takes games off, from what I’ve seen and read, I’m not sure Artest is the answer (you all have seen more, maybe I am wrong). There will be a lot of Odom speculation, but i think most of it is going to be just that. Idle speculation.

by Kurt on Jun 22, 2008 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Artest

Whatever else you say about him – Artest NEVER takes games off. He may have a bad game but… I also think any talk of a lakers/Kings trade is silly. maloofs won’t do it nohow.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 22, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He didnt take any games off down the stretch?

cuz he admitted to it.

"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"

by richmond02 on Jun 22, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Artest

Never takes games off? He has missed 10 or more games in 7 of his 9 seasons. He missed 25 games last year. Be it injury, suspension, or personal matters, the one thing that you can say about Ron Artest is that he has taken games off. That is the only reason that I balk at commiting to him long term. He’s a beast when he’s on the floor…when he’s on the floor.

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by section214 on Jun 22, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, he takes games off,

you just don’t see him on the floor, or the bench, while he’s doing it.

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jun 23, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the difference between

Odom taking a game off and Artest taking a game off is that Odom will still be on the floor takling the game off, while Artest is not even in the arena taking the game off. Which is worse? I don’t know but if Artest is on the floor he’s giving it his all, for better or worse.

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by kangsfan on Jun 22, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YES

kangsfan said exactly what I mean. All of RA sins (few I’d argue) would be quickly forgiven on a winning team.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 23, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with that

And Ron will need to play in 70+ games for the Kings to be a winning team, something he has done on only a couple of occasions in his career.

I love Ron…when he plays.

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by section214 on Jun 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

You see a winning team accepting this? And, how exactly, did they become a winning team while coddling players who need to take games “off”? And, how many players do they extend this priviledge to, one? Two? Three? Five? How does that go over for the rest of the players who have to show up for all 82 games + the postseason?

Wow, that must be news to the Celtics who showed up hurt to beat the Lakers this year.

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jun 23, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fans down here

All my Laker friends (ok, all but 2) down here want to make this trade happen ASAP. I have to say, I dont blame them. Artest would fit in the triangle really well, and bring more defence than Odom ever could. My only (albeit childish) hold up, is how good it could make the Fakers.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jun 22, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Artest to LA

I just can’t see this happening in any way, shape or form. The Maloof’s did not want to trade Bibby to the Lakers, period. What are the odds that they would want to ship the potential missing piece of the puzzle to them? If Ron ever winds up in LA it will be as a free agent, not a trade involving the Kings.

*Note – I also said that the Gasol and Shaw trades were outlandish rumors.

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by section214 on Jun 22, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shaq, not Shaw

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by section214 on Jun 22, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Spite is an emotion that runs deep. The only way I see this getting signed off is with K9 being attached. It just frees up so much cap that the trade is tempting. I go back and forth on it myself.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jun 22, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

IM A BIG QD FAN, I FOLLOWED HIM SINCE HIS RUTGER DAYS.. IT BOTHERS ME HOW THEY CONSTANTLY JUST BAD MOUTH HIM ON HERE LIKE HE DOESNT BELONG IN THE LEAGUE.. LOOK AT THE NON-SENS WITH THE DRAFT. HOW YOU FIGURE RUSSELL WESTBROOK IS BETTER FIT THEN QD AT THE PG? WESTBROOK HAS AVERAGE HANDLE, CAN BARELY SHOOT THE BALL. HE CANT PENETRATE AND CREATE HIS TEAM. HE’S NOT A HALF COURT PLAYER. DUDE IS A YOUTUBE LEGEND THATS MAKING IT CAUSE HE DUNKED ON A FEW GUYS. QD DOES IT ON BOTH SIDES. I SEE NO REASON WHY QD CAN BE LIKE A JASON TERRY TYPE PLAYER WITH HIS SCORING ABILITY AND DEFENSE. HE JUST NEEDS THE RIGHT COACHING.

by JustaRealDude on Jun 23, 2008 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Douby stinks.

Not in the real world scheme of things, he’s still better than 99.99% of the basketball players in the world, just as an NBA level talent. This was a rare drafting mistake from GP.

People covet Westbrook right now because he has not proven himself unable to play in the league. Until it’s shown he can’t play in the league (a la Douby), Westbrook is being given the benefit of the doubt.

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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2008 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHEN WILL THE CAPITALS STOP?

THEY ARE ANNOYING AND DIFFICULT TO READ. DO YOU GET IT YET?

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jun 23, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I SAY RESIGN BENO, HAVE HIM START NEXT YEAR AND USE QD AS OUR BACK UP. BUT ITS NOT EVEN JUST ABOUT QD. ITS ABOUT THE COACHING IF YOU ASKED ME. LOOK AT THE LAST 2 COACHES WE HAD, THEY’RE TERRIBLE!!! DOESNT MATTER WHO WE BRING IN, IF YOU HAVE A TERRIBLE COACH THAT DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE DOING, WE’LL CONTINUE TO HAVE BAD SEASONS. I CAN BET ANYTHING GEOFF P. DIDNT WANT TO FIRE ADELMAN… IM JUST TIRED OF ALL THE POLITICS THAT GOES ON IN THE NBA.. AND IM TIRED OF EVERY BLOG I READ ON HERE, ITS ALWAYS SOMETHING NEGATIVE TOWARDS QD.. YOU READ EVERY POST ON HERE ABOUT HIM, ITS ALWAYS SOMETHING BAD.. AND I JUST FELT THE NEED 2 VOICE MY OPINION IN A CIVILIZED MANNER..

by JustaRealDude on Jun 23, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I (somewhat) agree

You don’t give up on QD yet. He could still be a nice change-up off the bench. This year will tell. I still think you make the QD/Salmons for TJ Ford deal if you can though.

But stop with the caps man. Its a shout – no one wants to wade through a ‘shout’ post.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 23, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and why do people keep calling me Quincy? im not Quincy Douby.. i dont even know the guy.. i met him once in college because we went to the same school.. i just a supporter…

by JustaRealDude on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs