High-Risk, High-Ceiling? Or Middle-Risk, Solid Roleplayer Potential?
There's a featured poll over on the right sidebar. Yes, I just now figured out how to create one of those, two full months after 2.0 went live and four months after I started playing with the Beta version. I'm a slow learner.
The question deserves some discourse, especially since we're arguing debating Anthony Randolph and Darrell Arthur.
Randolph could be a better Shawn Marion, or he could be a worse Robert Swift. Arthur could be Shareef Abdur-Rahim, or he could be Kenny Thomas. With Randolph, the poles of worst-case and best-case are far -- very, very far. There's a significant risk of getting absolutely nothing out of him. But if he figures it out, if it all comes together with the spirit of Reggie Theus and Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia busting his ass every day ... it could be glorious. Multiple-time All-Star glorious.
With Arthur (in my opinion), there's a chance he could be an All-Star snub some day. There's a chance, too, he could end up like a Darius Songaila. The best guess, for me, would be a better Nick Collison: just a solid, solid player who helps you win games. The risk is lower, the ceiling is lower.
You can approach the question two ways: how close to do you feel this team is to meaningful contention? How do you think championships are won?
On the first, I think we'd all agree this team is not really that close. If it were, opting for something like a "sure thing" would take greater urgency -- at the top levels, you can't afford to blow cheap roster spots on ineffectual players. And, if you're that close, the marginal benefit of another STAR is minimized. (In other words: Michael Redd means more to the Bucks than he would to the Lakers.)
The second question's where we'll split. Do you need super-duper stars to win a title? Recent evidence would imply an affirmative. Assuming Kevin Martin becomes a super-duper star (possible, though only we may believe it), you need at least another ... and probably two more. If Darrell Arthur or D.J. Augustin or Roy Hibbert or Marreese Speights have no shot to be super-duper stars, they don't really help that goal, do they?
If you think Randolph has that shot -- however small it is -- and if you also think you need a few more super-duper stars to get to the summit ... how do you justify passing him up for a potential roleplayer? I'm honestly asking, because I've wavered on this issue, vascillating between Randolph, DeAndre Jordan and the others. I'd like to hear ... err, read your thoughts. Vote in the featured poll, and discuss in this thread.
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Ajinca
I think he needs to be on that list now.
I’m a believer that we will have a LOT of trouble attracting that great free agent unless we roll the dice and come up with a stud.
Who should it be? Hell, I don’t know.
But I prefer cocky over cautious player personalities when it comes to who will make that leap. I want a young guy who says “see what I can do already! I want to play! I’ll work on the rest.”
randolph worries me now . . .
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its really not necessary for us to go all High-Risk with this pick,
I don’t think that we are going to get our superstar through the draft and we are just going to have to wait for 2010 or 2009 to trade for a star/sign a star. I really think with the way our expiring contracts end up that that is the best possible way to get someone. As long as we have a serviceable team then a superstar can see that his presence may be enough to push us to that next level, not to mention our owners own a casino and if there’s anything we know about NBA stars they love the vegas. As TZ has mentioned before we have two big whopping contracts that will expire for the 2010 free agency which will be amazing trade chips.
In conclusion, no high-risk picks please.
by moproblemz on Jun 24, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Less of what I would do, more of Petrie.
So far as I can tell, Petrie doesn’t seem to take much risk. Assuming no draft-day trades he always seems to have his picks carefully pre-selected with a balance of good quality, and mid to high potential. I don’t see this as being any different, and I like how he drafts.
by dkons21 on Jun 24, 2008 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Randolph
is an amazing athlete, but from all accounts he doesn’t know how to play basketball very well. Darrell Arthur could be a David West type player. I would actually prefer a low post player with this pick over a point guard. Beno didn’t do too poorly last year and it was his first time actually playing any sort of significant minutes. This year he could make that next leap. And I think everyone will agree that none of our current low post players have any chance at helping us on the boards, our biggest weak spot in my opinion. In conclusion I vote for Arthur, who isn’t necessarily a great rebounder, but he can learn, and also free up some 3s for Garcia, Martin, and Beno
by lodisacfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great post
Henry Abbot had something up the other day that mimics my sentiments completely. In a much more skillyfully-written passage, he concludes that being a pro-athlete is more about persistence, drive, and will power than workout numbers.
I look at a guy like Charles Barkley, who made a career out of hustling, and generally caring about the game more than he people he guarded, blocked, and dunked upon. He was what, 6’5” as a PF? I guess to say that numbers alone don’t paint the picture would be an understatement.
I’ll end by saying that the D-League and the NBA unemployment line is filled with guys who have tons of athleticism, and not enough drive/basketball IQ. I’ve got lots of faith in Petrie grabbing another gym rat.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Petrie seems to draft players that WOW him during workouts. If Randolph refuses to come, Petrie will want nothing to do with him.
Speaking if high cealing, I purpose trading back a few slots and grabbing Donte Greene, who fits the atheltic, high-upside pick.
by Throwitdownbigfella on Jun 24, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why drafting a proven guy might not hurt...
I think it was TZ himself who on this very forum noted how championship teams are constructed from a combination of trades, the draft, and FAs. That being said, then, here are some reasons why drafting a proven player might be better than swinging for the fences, which echoes an earlier comment I made on a different post.
With cap space looming in two years, to attract a major FA, you’ve got to have a few things. One is obviously money, but the NBA culture is full of stars and proto-stars who are constantly whining that their teams are not built to win. While I believe that stars ought to be take some responsibility for that issue, one of the only thing Sac might have going for it as a destination for a free agent venue is a solid core that needs another star (assuming that Martin is one) to push things over the top.
Right now, there are two glaring holes, at PF and PG since we cannot assume that Beno is going to resign. Also, the center position may or may not be solid over the next few years. We’ve got to see if Brad can continue playing at a relatively high level and if Hawes will be good enough and durable enough to man the position himself. I think he’s good enough, but those knee surgeries are a concern. SG and SF are in fine shape, with or without Ron-Ron.
Drafting at 12 it is highly unlikely we are going to get a star caliber big man, so what might end up being more important for the Kings is a solid rotation player who is capable of starting in a couple of years and is still on the rookie wage scale, i.e. not eating up cap space.
If the Kings enter the offseason in 2010 with solid rotation players and a star in Martin, they won’t be contenders, but they may very well be able to attract a high level FA who would prefer to go to a team already capable of a playoff run. If the Kings swing and miss on taking a high upside player and remain with holes in their rotation and keep missing the playoffs, tough to see an elite FA wanting to sign. But hey, if they take a chance and strike gold, I will disavow this post.
Beware certitude.
by Reges on Jun 24, 2008 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Correct the weaknesses in the lineup, clear up cap space, and swing for the (FA) fences in 2010.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
high celing?
When was the last time a “high risk” player really stepped up and owned it. I can think of pretty much only busts.. Eddie Griffin, Darius Miles, etc. There is Dwight Howard, but he obviously wasn’t THAT much of a risk. The guys that seem to be doing really well recently are guys who did well in college and then took that extra leap once they got to the pros (Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, josh howard). So I go with someone who didn’t stink it up in college, i.e. randolph and jordan. Anyone remember pavel podkolzine being #5 on some mocks a few years back…where is he now?
by lodisacfan on Jun 24, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any Highschool pick from the last 10 years would qualify as high risk...
Throwing out Miles and Griffin and leaving Kobe, T-Mac, Garnett, Labron, Amare and a myriad of other players off your list doesn’t really make your point. Drafting a guy with upside and trying to hit the lottery is the only option for the Kings at this point. Drafting a guy like Chalmers (this years Acie Law) for this Kings fan is like holding with a 16 when the dealer is showing an 8. Sack up and take a chance for greatness, don’t stick with the mediocre status quo. If the pick fails? Who cares, most of the 12 picks in the history of the draft have failed so you might as well give it a shot.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
2010?
I just don’t think that a big FA COMES in 2010 unless you have some VERY attractive pieces in place. Remember before, it took a sort of landslide affect to get all those guys here. This is Sacramento – which i love – but doesn’t exactly have players drooling to live here.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do we have to lose?
We’re in the perfect position to take a high risk/high reward type. If he works out, then we’ve stolen a stud at #12. If he doesn’t work out, well then at least we get a higher pick and a better shot next season. This team still needs a lot of work, and a lot of luck.
That said, moving from generalities to specifics, I’m not sure Randolph’s the guy. Since he apparently refuses to work out for us, that all but guarantees Geoff wont take him on draft night.
by LPKingsFan on Jun 24, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe in upside myself
One of the things, a rather brilliant saying of JJham’s if I say so, is that the MLE inspires mediocrity. I agree, but I also think that can dissaude a team to bring in a player who is talented enough to contribute today, but not necessarily help the team be more than a 500 team at any point. That helps teams think upside every draft, especially when there is alot of choices in that department. (I agree with the Kings getting a player to contribute now in Garcia at the 23rd pick. That’s really what was available in 2005. And Monta Ellis not withstanding, is there a better player picked lower than Garcia?) I think that’s the problem with the approach to the draft, and with looking at a big bonanza in free agency, is that it’s just hard to predict. Damn hard to predict. And those predicting correctly aren’t writing for blogs.
I think going for a high risk reward type of player is what the Kings need to do. I think Hawes was a fairly risky player, given his knee injuries, and the reward may turn out to be worth it. When you’re a team at the 12th overall pick in a draft with so many questions, mock drafts should really list player’s names and question marks next to the name as there is no easy answer that will satisfy a majority.
Awhile ago I said Darrell Arthur was that type of player. I don’t know if he is, and I don’t know if he isn’t. I won’t take TZ’s, or Chad Ford’s word for it either. I don’t have the time to figure out my own conclusions on the subject, and in truth, at this point, don’t really care to either. On one hand anyway. On the other hand is simple. You know what you have in Martin and Garcia for the most part 3 years down the road. It’s pretty clear what John Salmons will be (assuming he’s around) and it’s pretty clear no one will ever quite figure out what makes Ron Artest tick. Brad Miller may have had a quality rebound in terms of career revival, but given the Kings difficult task in making the playoffs in such a brutal conference, will any malaise re-insert itself again? Where does Beno sign this off-season since just about every team is in the same position to get his services? Is Petrie still playing his high minded ego trip? All these questions I do not know.
If I was to roll the dice I would roll it on these following players based on what I have been able to read: Russell Westbrook, Danilio Gallinari, Joe Alexander, Darrell Arthur, Marreese Speights, Alexis Ajinca among others.
I do not want Dj Augustin, and I definitely do not want Brook Lopez. I’m not interested in OJ Mayo or Jerryd Bayless, and even though Beasley could be a great player, I”m not totally interested in him either. I think Kevin Love is a duplication of Spencer Hawes which means that taking Love would be meaning you’re giving up on a 20 year old kid for a 19 year old one. I think Derrick Rose is the best player in the draft, and I think Westbrook will be gone before the 10th pick. I also think, that after Rose, and potentially Beasley, there is little to actually forecast the true difference between the 3rd and 20th picks, that is unless you’re Chad Ford. I think a team like the Wolves, with the Iron Ranger’s solid draft history, will make a dumb mistake and over-reach, or over “something”, in the realm of whatever decision they do make.
That leaves guys like Arthur, Speights, Alexander (who I guarantee will be gone), and ditto for Gallinari, and Ajinca. Personally, I would love the Kings to go after Arthur to make me look some kind of genius (i always need an ego boost), but I would be disappointed if Speights became some kind of star. I would love to take Ajinca with a lower pick in the draft, but that’s just me. The idea that Arthur has a limited ceiling is an interesting one, and one I don’t know enough of to say. I like Arthur’s skill set, and I like his abilities. I like Speights upside, and the fact he’s still got some upside to be realized.
Well before the draft I picked Arthur as my choice. Now I’m going to go with Speights for several reasons. First is that he’s so raw, and there’s a chance he could be something terrific down the line. The other reason is that the kid has some matching skills that complement Hawes in several ways. First is that he can shoot, and the second he is athletic if nothing else. But so is Arthur. So I have to do some compare/contrast of strengths/weakness’ for Arthur/Speights:
Speights first: Strengths:• Frame
• Wingspan
• Hands
• Above average athleticism
• Fluidity/Coordination
• Skill-level
• Scoring instincts
• Ability to face the basket
• Back to basket scoring
• Jump-hook w/either hand
• Excellent finisher around basket
• Outstanding shooting percentages
• Superb touch
• Rebounding ability (especially offensively)
• Solid passer
• Late bloomer
• Still has considerable upsideWeaknesses:
• Stuck between 4 and 5?
• Post-game not very diverse
• Ability to put ball on floor
• Shot-selection/Decision making
• Got by on instincts at college level
• Defensive fundamentals
• Defensive awareness
• Motivation/Focus/Consistency fluctuates
• Tendency to coast
• Conditioning
• Basketball IQ?
• Work ethic?
• Academic issues?
• Needs time to develop
Arthur Second: Strengths:One of the major differences, and one I hate to use in judging 2 guys I’ve never seen live play, including one who played in the NCAA championship game, is that they finish strong inside. But, and a terrific but every time we see Brad Baby blow a layup, if that is one of Arthur’s problems, and that may be his whole career, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, I think then a team like Washington would be a terrific fit with Arenas, assuming he stays, and all that. Up & Down is what he is then that’s what he is. But the Kings need more than that, and they need a guy who can play a bit inside and outside with Hawes and do some mix & matching defensively. IF that’s the case I would definitely go with Speights. He has upside, is athletic, is still looking for some of his game, and can improve on it down the road. I’m going to regret saying this, but TZ, and others I don’t remember touting Speights, deserves the nod for saying this awhile back. Sorry for the long drawn out paragraph.• Athleticism
• Scoring mentality
• Hands
• Ability to score in the paint
• Transition play/Running the floor
• Turnaround jumper
• Budding skills facing the basket
• Excellent lateral quickness
• Solid all-around defender
• UpsideWeaknesses:
• Toughness/Intensity
• Basketball IQ/Experience
• Consistent focus
• Passing ability
• Ability to finish with left hand
• Shot-selection
• Ball-handling/Perimeter shooting polish
• Finishing strong/Not fading away
• Strength
• Consistency
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Great post pookey
The only thing I would add (in my devil’s advocate mode) is that upside is not automatically realized. The intangibles of coachability, work-ethic, drive are all required for a project to become a stud. Remember, guys like Kwame had upside/athleticism/whatever you wanna call it.
Although I’d prefer Arthur, I’d be happy with Speights. On an aside, how do you pronounce his last name?
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spee--ates?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Marreese Speets (like speed except with a T)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And while I was madder than Hell than Hawes was announced, and I was incensed (I have the swearing abomination thread to prove it)
I calmed down because Hawes is after all just 19. He would have not been my pick , but then again I’m not Geoff Petrie. However, if he picks Roy Hibbert I’m going to have to really shoot him (fa real fa real). That is unacceptable.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets another first rounder
In the late teens, would you be agreeable to Hibbert (thus not shooting Petrie?) Personally, I love Hibbert, I think people are missing the boat on him. I’d be stoked if we took him at #12, even moreso if we grabbed him lower in the first round.
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by otis29 on Jun 24, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Kings got a 2nd 1st rounder Ajinca does interest me alot more
It will take alot of convincing to convince me that Hibbert is worth it in the long run. I just don’t see it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Ajinca or Hibbert late but not at twelve.
I hate late risers in the draft. I remember when Jerome Williams was rumored to be on the Kings radar in the mid-twenties and then he shot up to and went around 10. For his career, he was a solid mid-twenties player and I would have loved to have seen him in a Kings uni. The experts have these guys figured out early and I don’t understand why they all freak out and start changing their projections like this idiot Ford. Obviously he has no knowledge of what might happen and everything he rights is on pure speculation.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post!
Pookey, I usually don’t agree with you almost 100% but I do here. Great thoughts. I too think that Speights could end up being a steal at #12 if he keeps improving. His potential could be higher than many think. I am personally not a fan of Randolph and you make a great point that Petrie does not usually draft a player that hasn’t worked out for him. I hope that is true this time. Of course, last year I was not a big fan of drafting Spencer and boy am I glad now that the Kings did draft him. I would not cry if Petrie chose Arthur though I would not be excited in the least. My main issue (and worry) about Speights is does he have the work ethic, competitive nature and basketball IQ to reach his potential.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea of not having a position is a stupid one
Not to highlight Lamar Odom, but that was one of the reason’s he dropped to 4th overall in 1999. No team could figure out what position he should play. More & more & more & more the read I watch and pay attention to what other’s say, I learn how little positions in the NBA mean anything. For crying out loud Larry Bird rarely brought the ball up court and still averaged 6+ assists for his career. Position pigeon-holing (as TZ noted with guards like Parker) are just a plain waste of time. I say stop these shenanigans!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey everyone, rec this post. If we get five on it, it will glow like the beacon of gospel it should.
by Ziller on Jun 24, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know what the Greenish tint is
Do I take it to mean that you, too, are on the Speights bandwagon?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I "rec'd" it
because I’m on the pookey bandwagon.
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thanks
I’d recommend your stuff, but it’s already on the front page. (Besides front page stuff that I think should last longer doesn’t stay longer because you recommend it. That’s one of the annoying attributes of SBN 2.0. All these bells & whistles and arguments during draft time are gone after 2 days because you guys are posting 7 things a day.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...posting 7 things a day."
Yeah, I am a big believer in quantity over quality.
Agreed, though. I’ve been paging three and four deep to for comment checking.
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too--you should see me eat sometime
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree pookey, Upside is the way to go,
especially when you’re drafting where we are. And Arthur’s certainly got a talent and potential. He can knock down shots when he gets where he wants to on the floor, which he does often since he’s so quick.
But as you point out, Arthur does not finish strong to the rim, and he’s a poor rebounder. Part of this might be mental effort, but a lot of it must be due to the fact that he’s skinny as a rail, and, due to his built, he’s probably always going to be skinny as a rail.
So the big problem with Arthur, IMO, is that, even though he’s advertised as a power forward I just don’t see how he’ll ever have the strength to be an inside presence, either scoring or rebounding. And damn, the Kings are hurtin’ for some inside presence…
Also, the ability to find open cutters and hit them is a big deal with Petrie, so Arthur’s lack of passing instincts/ability is also a pretty big downgrade.
All in all, between the two, Speights would be my choice, although according to the workout reports I’ve read he too seems to have some problems with focus and intensity.
But there’s still 48 hours till the draft… and speaking of Big Upside, it’s not to late to get on the Alexis Ajinca bandwagon, pookey.
Athletic seven footer, shoots the ball well, good passer, focused and self motivated, 20 years old and, oh yeah, there’s that 7’9” wingspan.
All aboooooard!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ajinca > Arthur?
So Arthur is too skinny for your liking, but you like the Frenchman? I understand your points about this upside we keep hearing so much about, but I read his draftexpress report, and about the only thing I like is his shotblocking.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Ajinca has gained about 20 pounds
over the past year. He was listed at a skeletal 215 as an 19 year old, but now is listed at 235 or 240.
At 7’1 (some reports list him at 7’2”) he’s still underweight, but he’s a little bit bigger now at age 20 than say Kareem Abdul Jabbar was when he came into the NBA at age 22, and his frame should allow him to put on more weight as he matures. He’s also apparently very self motivated and after a year or two in the weight room with an NBA trainer he should be plenty big and strong enough to play power forward or center.
Arthur on the other hand is just not physically cut out to be a power forward. I think he’ll end up a 3 who will play a little 4 once in a while in a small line-up.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more Ajinca
He’s not just a shot-blocker (although obviously he should be awesome at that).
What makes the French kid special besides his athleticism and freaky wingspan is his ability to knock down a nice jump-shot from the outside:
check out his workout clip at 00:32, 00:40, 00:45, 00:56 etc.
He can also pass the ball, which is especially important in the Kings offense.
And if you read DraftExpress maybe you saw this from Jonathon Givony yesterday:
"…Other teams (besides Portland) that have worked him out recently have come away raving not just about Ajinca’s exciting combination of skills and physical tools, but also about his strong intangibles. He is reportedly impressing teams with his terrific personality and motivation to succeed, and is believed to have excellent leadership skills. "
Man, I’ve been writing about this kid so much I’m startin’ to think I ought to get a piece of his signing bonus…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if it would be possible to trade up for Phoenix's pick
I would love it to see the Kings take a run @ Speights and Ajinca.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
here’s the link to Ajinja’s workout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj1bHmIXtBQ&feature=related
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Mucho Moss this guys PR person or what?
I understand you like the guy but…....
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know... I know
it’s getting ridiculous…
I’ll shut up about it, but I just want to see this board become a little better educated about a player who has been relatively obscure (understandably because he didn’t play in the NCAA).
I do get that, but like Joe Alexander and Westbrook, Ajinca has been a late-riser due to his impressive workouts, and you’d think that Sacramento, of all places, the home of Vlade and Peja and Hedo, would be where a European player of this caliber would be taken more seriously.
I’ve watched as first Marreese Speights, then DeAndre Jordan and now Roy Hibbert all have come off the Community Draft Board ahead of Ajinca, but I’m tellin’ ya, the French kid will be drafted ahead of all those guys on Thursday and he’ll also turn out to be a better NBA player.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just razzing you.
I just have this playing through my head every time I hear about a 7’ Frenchy entering the NBA draft.
http://vidsearch.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=2321857
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weis was the 15th pick by the Knicks in 1999.
There is a big difference between European and U.S. basketball. I don’t know how many minutes he played in the French league this last year but 5 pts, 3 rbs and 1 block per game really isn’t that impressive.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta say...
It was obviously a highlight reel, but that was impressive. Length, athleticism and nice form on his jump shot. He looks like he’ll be as good as Mikki Moore pretty quickly, and maybe much better at some point.
by Carl on Jun 24, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I envy your green post Pookey
I agree with your take. Go Speights.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 24, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just keep the Hulk from being mad at me and you can have the green post
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't be Hibbard
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely vote for upside over
middle of the road quality at this point. But I don’t think Randolph has All Star upside. It’s like we’re swinging away with the options being a strike out or a double. If you’re going to swing, swing for the fences. Choosing between Arthur and Randolph is not going for a homer.
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by SavageBeast on Jun 24, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#12 must result in asset
In my view, when you pick in the lottery, you MUST obtain an asset (i.e. a player likely to start at some point in the league). You role the dice on “upside” and “potential” etc… at the bottom half of the first round, not the top half. Stars are rarely found picking late in the lottery and bottom half of the first round… sure their have been exceptions, but you are risking pehaps a one-in-twenty chance on getting a “star” versus a solid player who can be an asset to your team in the future (kept or traded). Most “stars” are picked 1-5 in the lottery. If your draft at 12 is a bust (more likely when drafting “upside”) then you’ve wasted the pick and obtained nothing useable in the future. Thus, the thinking behind Hibbert and Chalmers makes some sense if you subscribe to this theory… of course, the question is what theory does GP subscribe to?
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 24, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of the 15 players who made the 1st, 2nd and 3rd team All-NBA team...
8 were drafted after the 5th pick.
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by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for upside
The kings have nothing to lose during this rebuilding stage. Go with Alexis Ajinca or Randolph and try and hit a homerun in getting a star. I think it would be hard for the Kings to screw this pick up. I think they will however if they pick Arthur. Though he is solid , he does not have the star power. I really really hope they make a run in some way to get Augustin, I’m still holding out hope!
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this argument...
BUT why aren’t we talking about Arthur’s upside? He’s only a year older than Randolph, he’s scrawny, granted the tools may be different but has the age limit so skewed our opinions on player seniority that drafting Arthur is suddenly equivocal to taking Hibbert? Granted Kansas won the Tournament this year and Arthur was a key contributor but I don’t think this guys anywhere close to fully realizing his potential physically and basketball intellectually collegiately, let alone in the pro’s. I like what Section said in his mock yesterday, that Arthur is the happy medium between raw prospects like Randolph and Jordan and the old guard in Hibbert.
by rbiegler on Jun 24, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I think Arthur is a little undersized underweight to be PF in the NBA. As I recall from the NCAAs his game was reminiscent to that of our very own Kenny Thomas. Arthur did win the champoinship but that was because of Mario Chalmers heroics (could be a good pick for the kings as well). I think undersized and underweight at the PF position in the NBA won’t get it done. If you look at undersized PF like Maxiell from Detriot or Barkley back in the day you recognize they are very wide individuals that can move people with their mass. With Arthur lacking both attributes doesn’t that make him as high of a risk as any of the other raw players mentioned above? If thats the case why not take a shot a getting a super star? If you get a blossoming young star now with about to be free agents to be in the next couple years, we could see the kings start to build a deep roster. Another great fact about the kings is their star now, Kevin Martin, plays like a #2 option. This will definitely help when big free agents look at Sacramento.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to argue Arthur vs Ajinca
But I’m not sure the evidence holds well with either vs Speights.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm soooo confused!
But I’ll stick with my argument that petrie should make the most educated gamble he can and try to pick a future star. A ‘Wow!’ guy.
I’m feeling more Ajinca and Speights now. (but what the # do I know?)
Thinking back on Petrie’s picks though, he seems to tend to pick players he KNOWS will deliver SOMETHING.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Question
Seems like most people when talking about possible upside and risk taking are mentioning Randolph or Ajinca. As Pookey stated, Speights could be the REAL star here. A lot of people seem to be overlooking that he may have just as much ore more upside than both Randolph or Ajica and might be as good as Arthur at worst.
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by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess it was a quick thought.
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by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think you're right with that
Randolph is the upside talent of this draft, but I’m curious why Alexander Speights Ajinca aren’t being put in that class also. I’m beginning to become real curious why that is.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is noting that Alexander is shooting up every mock draft in sight
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alexander
He is a junior so I think he is being considered a “veteran” in this draft. Therefore, since he does have big upside AND is a junior, in this draft, GMs feel he is less of a risk than a Speights, Arthur, Ajinca, Randolph, Ibaka or Greene. Basically Joe has taken Randolph’s place as the “upside player” in the top 10.
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by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chad ford/bill simmons
conducting a live mock draft on espn and debated either Chalmers or Hibbert (nod going to Chalmers by Ford) passing on Augustin/Randolph/Arthur et.al… both agreeing that #12 is a crappy pick
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 24, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's only a crappy pick unless Amare Stoudemire was around
Then it’s a great pick. Or Kobe Bryant. Or Steve Nash. Or Karl Malone. Or John Stockton. (Point made.)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Can’t we gamble on a project like Randolph? Kevin Martin was a 185 pounds when he entered the draft. We aren’t going to make the playoffs in the deep Western Conference in the next two year as currently presented and this is a rebuilding team so why with a good big man coach can Randolph be a good player.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Going after average, solid picks will keep a team average
Just look at the teams that have been afraid to pull the trigger on high risk players because of unproven potential and team need. Vitaly Potapenko and a bunch of other career bench warmers were taken over Kobe Bryant. Just look at the Jordan draft, or many other draft disasters where teams would pick out of need and pass up on gambling on some of the most legendary NBA players. Teams need to go out on a limb and develop these high-risk, high-reward players, otherwise they’ll continue to always live in mediocrity…the status-quo.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, just look at our Douby pick
Passed up on a top 5 talent in Marcus Williams for Douby and team need. ...Now look where the Kings are at. They’re in dire need of a true PG.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying Marcus Williams is the answer to the Kings prayers?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Kings had drafted him, I predict he would have been at least a solid 6th man at this point. The reason why his numbers have been low is due to the limited amount of minutes he’s been given. If you take a look at the games where he’s had 25+ minutes, he’s given some nice performances. What I’m saying is Petrie drafted out of need, rather than talent. Now we’re faced with the thought of having Douby coming off the bench to play PG next season.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah a backup PG made or broke the Kings the last several years
Next thing you’re going to tell me is the Kings made a mistake trading Bibby.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but Williams certainly would have helped.
..Bibby was out of his prime, shooting brick after brick and his contract was overvalued. Actually, I think Williams would have potentially been a starter after Bibby was traded off. Next thing you’re going to tell me is Beno was a bad pick-up.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back up PG's are nice to have
But I”m not going to go apeshit over Maurice Williams. He just isn’t worth as much unless he’s a legitmate starting PG. Rondo may not be aces, but he’s a legitmate starter. I don’t think Williams proved he is as of yet. I’m not saying he can’t get there, but there’s a reason the guy slipped so far. What that reason precisely is? I do not know, as Rondo wasn’t picked either. For that matter that’s a greater argument if you ask me: Why not take Rondo? (I would have asked that last year too just in case you’re wondering. Rondo was one of the bright spots on that terrible C’s squad of 06 07)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a reason why Williams dropped
Attitude? Weight? I have no problem with the fact that GP passed on a guy that no one else (until New Jersey) wanted to touch. Petrie had one take on Jason Williams, and a different take on Marcus Williams. The fact that the Nets acquired Devin Haris in the Kidd trade might speak to their long term opinion of Williams. I also wonder how Rondo would have played out here. I mean, he wasn’t regarded too highly until he was surrounded by Garnett/Pierce/Allen. Farmar? Meh.
In a sense, Petrie did take a risk by drafting a scorer that he thought could be converted into a hybrid PG (Douby).
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Simmons was on Rondo's jock all of his rookie season
That’s just one person I remember.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo and Williams
I personally wanted the Kings to take either one above Douby in the 2006 draft. Both scored higher on my system in 2005 than Douby (as well as Kyle Lowry and Paul Millsap). In fact Rondo scored a 93.5 (future solid starter/all-star) so I was very much hoping Petrie would choose him. Williams was said to have a very bad work ethic and low competitive drive. I am not sure if that is what made him slip in the draft but that’s a possibility
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by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean in 2006
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by dalt99 on Jun 24, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it!
Glad you figured out the “Featured Poll” feature. I don’t know if it’s possible but you should change the background color of the poll so that is stands out next to the fanpost and fanshot sections.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 24, 2008 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Kfan--It's very hard to find
There are alot of new features I don’t know how to do around here, and I knew many of the old one’s. This is very frustrating (like trying to write bullets on a fanpost or a regular comment) among other things. I assume this will be worked out.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
It’s a no brainer, that at #12, if Anthony Randolph is available, you take him.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Kings don't need a Lamar Odom clone and Lamar Odom--That's my response
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a no-brainer
I question his work ethic. For me, that’s a deal-breaker. The “breakout stars” all seem to have one thing in common: the will to outwork the competition. IMO, that’s what clearly separates LBJ from ‘Melo. Well, that and the ability to play defense.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamar Odom is better than any forward on this team. Lamar Odom can’t block shots. The Kings need versatility players in the frontcourt.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be ecstatic if Randolph developed into Lamar Odom.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget-
Anthony Randolph has refused to work out for Sacramento…if you are going to draft a star why would you take him? That is not an educated decision and Petrie would be making a mistake. He is not the type of star I think any of us would want to represent the franchise. Look at Denver five years after drafting Melo. He is falling apart personally, and now they are (rumored) thinking about trading him. Furthermore, if Randolph doesn’t want to be here, he doesn’t want to be here. Unless he somehow is won over perhaps like Chris Webber…? But Webber was a veteran not a 19 year old kid who could high-tail it out of here three years from now when his rookie contract is up… The kings need to consider this pick as an asset as mentioned earlier in the feed, but take a calculated risk on a star player, not a stupid mistake.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
My biggest concern regarding Anthony is the fact the did not come here to work out. Given what is on the line here, I find that amazing/unfortunate/arrogant.
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be poorly handled as well.
The Kings have a lot of bad power players on the roster. It is possible that his people don’t want him getting mixed up in the Moore, Sar, K-9, Landlord quartet. Regardless of how bad these guys are, Randolph could still end up playing in the NBDL to thicken up and mature because of the roster crunch facing the Kings. And just because he hasn’t worked out privately with the Kings doesn’t mean that A) the Kings haven’t already seen him some where else or B) the Kings invited him to Sactown.
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by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he fits the Kings needs either
That’s another problem with Randolph and the Kings. I’d be curious to see if the Suns take him at 15. He could fit in well there.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll fit
Perfectly here too. How the hell does anyone know Randolph hasn’t worked out for the Kings? And why does participation in a workout affect a player’s draft status. The Kings will do very, very well. \
Ok Pookey, so your telling me the Kings don’t have a need for an athletic forward, that can rebound, block shots and score inside and out.
And Darrell Arthur, Alexis Ajinca (who all of the sudden shoots up the draft boards) does.
Randolph has shown he can be a productive player and will do just fine with the Kings.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No the Kings don't need athleticism or shot blocking or rebounding or inside/out scoring
I mean, if the Kings aren’t just passing their way to a ring, what are they doing?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Consider
Randolph is not NBA-ready, his body could not hold out for 82 physical NBA-type games. DeAndre Jordan would need to add weight as well though he is a bit taller. Speights on the other hand looks like his body is ready to take the wear and tear of NBA games. I could see him be a good guy to come off the bench as a rookie and contribute some good minutes during this transition year. If there is no Augustin or any other lottery pick that magically falls then Speights should be the guy. Still though, Petrie should be active and try to move up any way possible- use the second round picks to move up with first rounder or get a late first rounder out of those two.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Arthur isn't NBA ready, either..
Arthur’s undersized and skinny compared to many other NBA PFs. At 6-9, Arthur’s almost a small forward. Come to think about it, there’s only a small handful of players in this draft with the size or skill-set to be considered NBA ready from about the 10th pick+. Also, I don’t understand why a few people are riding the Ajinca bandwagon with such enthusiasm. NBADraft.net even compares him to Mikki Moore. Do we really want that?
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you 100% on Arthur
Ajinca is a pretty raw player but if you watch his youtube videos you can understand why people see the potential. He is a pretty good defender, rebounder, kind of dirty work player. That potential cannot be fulfilled in NBA unless he gains at least 30lbs. He is not NBA ready but with added weight on his body and skill set could make him a very solid starting center in NBA. The big man available for the kings at #12 that seems to make the most sense is Speights. I like his game a lot and I think that would be a great direction for the kings. But who knows something is building in this draft, I just read the Grizzlies are talking to Pat Riley about the #2 pick, anything can happen.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop reading Chad Ford--It will rot your teeth
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do any of you know what kind of defender Ajinca is?
Its not like quality players are all over the French league and by looking at his stats (which are almost non-existent) how can you make this claim? His youtube videos show only his blocks, not his position D, team D or man on D. And these blocks are not US college level players and certainly not NBA players.
Fran Fraschilla, ESPN’s European prospect expert and former NCAA coach said that what ever weight listed for Ajinca, take 15-20 lbs off of it. He said he watched him recently and although he looked very productive in 1 on 0 drills, he is 2 to 3 years away from being a productive NBA player do to his lack of strength and experience. Fraschilla also was asked about McGee, Jordan and Speights in comparison with Ajinca and he listed them in this order…1. Speights (because his body is NBA ready) 2. McGee, 3. Ajinca, 4. Jordan. Fraschilla believes that all 4 of these guys have high bust potential due to huge holes in their games and that anything above 15 is a major mistake for Ajinca.
Fraschilla also had a lot to say about the 3 Kansas prospects- Rush, Arthur and Chalmers. First up, this is the order he lists them as far as potential. He believes that Chalmers is not a true point but a combo guard like almost every other guard in this draft. Rush is NBA ready and has great size for the 2 while Arthur has gigantic upside once he gains the 15-20 lbs necessary. He said that Chalmers would be a nice complimentary player if taken in the 20-26 range in his opinion.
All of this information I heard in an interview on the Doug Gotlieb show on ESPN radio. I tried to copy down as much info as possible with the kids in the car but I thought most of it was valuable to this discussion.
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by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great stuff
from Fran Fraschilla, jjam.
IMO almost every player after the first 6 or 7 picks has a fairly high potential for bust, except maybe Hibbert, who I think is almost a guarantee to be a decent but not great pro. I wouldn’t disagree a lot with that assessment except I wouldn’t touch McGee. Looks absolutely like an NBA player but has no idea what’s happening on the court, and can’t defend worth a lick.
I prefer Ajinca marginally to Speights because A) Ajinca seems substantially more mature, focused and motivated, which is very important when making the transition to the NBA, and B) I’m more concerned with where the Kings will be two years from now than next season. The fact that Speights is more developed physically isn’t that big a deal because his minutes will be limited next year. The important thing is who will be the better player in say 2010, 2011? That’s where I’m betting on Ajinca.
As for Ajinca’s defensive abilities, you’re right, for the most part they’re a question mark. All we can say for sure is that he will never be a good one on one interior defender until he gets up to a solid 240-250 lbs or so. That should be within reach within a year or so. On the other hand, he’s very athletic and intelligent, so he has good potential as a team defender. And of cour he’ll probably be the longest player in the NBA, so his shot blocking/shot altering skills will be there from Day 1. Seriously, some of that could help the Kings right away.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
I wasn’t really referring to Ajinca as a NBA all first team defender. But a willingness to block shots and rebound is a pretty good combo, especially when they are on your highlight reel. (Don’t know what that says about the rest of his game). He has a potential to be a good defender in NBA. But that’s what the NBA draft is based on potential, nothing is guaranteed.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desire (motor)
I want the big that has IT – Wants to be better – Wants to WIN. I’m no longer convinced A Randolph is that guy.
I’d probably take a flyer on Ajinca as he’s already showing he is willing to work to put on some weight and is working hard at his team trials.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Ford should be made a eunich for using the word term motor as opposed to desire or hustle or interest
I hate that in a description of a player. I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I think the person with the biggest heart and work ethic in this draft is Joe Alexander. I mean, look how much he’s recently improved through his entire Basketball career and how much effort he’s been putting in the workouts. I’d even say that Alexander’s work ethic is even on par with Kevin Martin. It wouldn’t bother me at all if the Kings picked him up, even though he’s a small forward.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 24, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alexander: we won't get him - but that'd be nice
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by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Alexander is motivated like few others. He only has one gear and it’s “bust ass”.
I just saw in interview with him on ESPN this afternoon and he seems like a nice kid too. Of course it doesn’t hurt that he’s naturally athletic and maybe the fastest player in the NCAA, but that sweet jump shot he’s got comes mainly from hours and hours and hours of practice and hard work.
Sadly, he’s been so impressive that he has slipped above the Kings.
Anyway, yeah, motivation, focus, hustle, etc. are very critical factors as to whether an athlete can get to the next level and keep improving from there.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 24, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I've heard
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ford (Chad - not TJ)
His board seems like a mess to me right now.
I’m not sure I buy what he’s selling at all.
Is that just so he can rearrange it the next few days and people will read again? Or are his ‘inside sources’ just lying like #$@% to him?
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2008 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably
Has been so engrossed in his
big boardhe is losing touch with reality. I don’t really read any of the espn people they aren’t that good. i just go to the big board to get the correct spelling of the players’ names.
by 916baller on Jun 24, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a great country or what?
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cracken a hundred pre-draft!
This is going to be a good week, lots of good information being passed along, lots of good debate, free of last years bitterness. Great job TZ, this is a great community with a lot of strong, intelligent voices. Except for that asshole section214 guy.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was bitter?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I have ever felt bad for Otis.
Dude did his best to be the voice of reason while the rest of us lined up at the capital bridge/space needle.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jump off the Space Needle? Pshhawwww
I’d jump off the Magnolia Bluffs or the Ballard Bridge Troll if I had a choice. But last year around this time I would have jumped off the Darth Vadar bldg on 12th & K. Since K street sucks I would want to further sully it’s reputation in going out.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"bitter"...
well, pookey I think maybe jjam’s making a reference to that afternoon last June when I was spouting off about Joakim Noah’s rebounding stats in the patio section of The Streets of London, and you knocked me off my soapbox by nailing me with a semi-frozen vegetable samosa.
Ah, the good old days!
;>)
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aha!
I knew it! jjham15 is actually Mrs. section214. Get off your computer, bitch! The jig is up!!!
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by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good times, good times.
Just wait until these rumored trades start to hit, this shits going to go crazy. I need stock in StR.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HaHaHaHa
Section called you his bitch! What are you gonna do about it punk? HaHaHa
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not Mrs. section214 but maybe I using her computer (wink, wink).
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you get
when you cross mrs. section214 with a Dell?
You get a computer that will never go down on you.
Good night everybody!
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good finish. good night.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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