Beno Ramifications

by Ziller on Jun 26, 2008 1:14 PM PDT

The Clips will pick Eric Gordon, who is not a point guard. Obviously, this would indicate they will still press hard for Beno Udrih this summer, barring trades. It has been said they'll offer the full mid-level straight away.

If the Kings pick a point guard (Bayless or Augustin), should the Kings still try to keep Beno for a few years at the full mid-level (more like $5.8 million, not the previously discussed $6 million)?

If the Kings don't get a point guard tonight, does that change your thoughts?

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If we can get Bayless or Augustin… i gotta say its bye, bye Beno.

I wouldn’t give Beno 30million for 5 years based on 1 year of productivity.

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by kingme18 on Jun 26, 2008 1:18 PM PDT 0 recs

I would

sign Beno to a full MLE (3 yrs./$17.4 million) whether we draft a guard tonight or not. If we do, it will take at least a year or more for that player to develop into a starter. If we don’t then we need Beno even more. We will have the room under the cap, so why not?

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT 0 recs

If the Clips offer (or are rumored to offer) a five-year mid-level deal - $30-32 million total - do you do it?

by Ziller on Jun 26, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

No

I don’t.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hell no

by Carl on Jun 26, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

Development means PT

I wouldn’t sign Beno if we draft Bayless or Augustin. There’s several other backup points on the market that will come for less than the MLE. It’s not like we’re in the playoff hunt now anyway or expect to be for at least another year. Why not let our pick get those minutes and accelerate the learning process?

by discocricket on Jun 26, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed

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by darknight on Jun 26, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think we’d have to go 30 mil to keep Beno especially if the point guard thirsty Clips are after him.

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by kingme18 on Jun 26, 2008 1:22 PM PDT 0 recs

Meh...

...if we get a PG then let the kid play and let Beno walk in my humble opinion. I’m tired of watching us limp along, playing hard, but still barely competing every night. Let’s put the Youth Movement out on the floor and get them the PT they need to progress.

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by Jaycee on Jun 26, 2008 1:24 PM PDT 0 recs

Yes! let my Beno gooooooo.....

If Bayless falls, do not sign Beno. There are other PG’s out there to be had (via trade) that would have similiar annual salaries (Watkins-Ridnour- etc) but they are well into their contracts and would come off the books sooner when Bayless takes full control of the minutes available…With the “Right Youth” I am game for the Youth movement.

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by ridnour8 on Jun 26, 2008 1:29 PM PDT 0 recs

i’m all for drafting a PG and letting him play significant minutes.

i’m all against letting a rookie start at PG…

by sactoreg on Jun 26, 2008 1:38 PM PDT 0 recs

Beno is a bona fide point guard. I don’t see a problem with offering him the full MLE. If the Kins get Bayless or Augustin, it would be nicer that there is someone there to show him the ropes.

by LiquidPolio on Jun 26, 2008 1:39 PM PDT 0 recs

And you can deal Beno

as soon as the rook is ready.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

Possibly...

It would be a lot easier if we could sign him to 2-3 years at the full MLE. Signing him any longer, when he doesn’t look like he can be a top 20 PG in the NBA, wouldn’t be a good move.

by cabz on Jun 26, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Can I agree 100% on that?

3 years only!

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

Who will trade for him?

If he’s making 6 million as a platoon player or getting outplayed by our rookie, he becomes Marcus Banks with a better jumpshot, i.e. a liability we’ll have to give up an asset to give rid of IMO.

by discocricket on Jun 26, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

In a year and a half

he becomes close to an expiring contract. For crying out loud, guys like Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue are still capable of landing NBA jobs. Beno will be moveable.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yep

As long as we keep it to 3 years, so he’s actually closed to expiring in a year and a half…. he might be a liability if he’s signed for 5 years and has 3.5 years left on his deal at that point.

by cabz on Jun 26, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

now here's an idea

let beno walk to LA, use the money and karma we save to snap up…Shaun Livingston? (I’m kidding. Mostly.)

by beevenator on Jun 26, 2008 2:03 PM PDT 0 recs

How 'bout....

Instead of giving Beno $6mil/year, we buy two first-round picks each year…

I’d definitely rather have two mid-20s picks each year that we could try to package and move up the draft board for some real talent, than Beno signed long-term. I enjoyed the effort from the team this year, including Beno, but we’re definitely lacking in the talent department and resigning him isn’t going to change that one bit.

by cabz on Jun 26, 2008 2:20 PM PDT 0 recs

Works for me

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 26, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

GREAT THINKING

That’s some good forward thinking. I like it.

Puts the whole “buying draft picks” into perspective, too.

by smgmatt on Jun 26, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let him walk

Regardless of what the Kings draft tonight, if Udrih needs the midlevel for more than three years, we’ve gotta let him walk. This team isn’t ready to compete yet anyway, and Beno as a starter is nothing but a stop-gap solution. Ultimately, the Kings need to continue to draft well, and shed cap space in preparation to make a run at a big FA signing in a few years. Get the young core developed, and try to sign one guy that could put us back into contention.

by rory_sayer on Jun 26, 2008 2:34 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree

A keeper at the 3 year MLE. Send him packing if it’s the 5 year.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let him walk

I think the MLE for three years is too much. Sign an Anthony Johnson-level player as a stop gap until the point guard we draft tonight is ready. The Kings need to cut salary and develop young players. This is the year it needs to start. No more MLE players.

by Carl on Jun 26, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

OK

So $3 million for a 20 something draft pick is no big deal, but the fact that Beno would cost probably $3 million a year more than Anthony Johnson is a big deal.

I watched Anthony Johnson “run” this team at the end of last season. I care not to see that again.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

And

Does anybody know what the minimum salary is for a veteran like Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue or Jason Williams? Is there such a thing?

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

I believe it’s in the 700k to 1 mil range

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by kangsfan on Jun 26, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

There's a vetern's minimum

just under 2mil?

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 26, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think

Maybe you both missed the joke.

by smgmatt on Jun 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

I was just responding to Kangsfan

but I think his figure is closer to correct.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 26, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

And I was responding to Carl and cabz

I’ve read their comments three times and I still don’t see the joke.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

I meant YOU

I assumed you were making a joke about the “value” of players like Johnson, Williams & Lue (i.e. Is there such a thing as minimum value for them; does that even exist?).

I thought it was pretty funny . . . I guess the joke’s on me.

by smgmatt on Jun 26, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

No

I was honestly asking. Guys with their time served get paid a certain minimum. I don’t know what that is, but when you subtract that from the MLE it probably does not make sense not to sign Udrih, as the net differenct would probably on be $2-3 million a year.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

Your (comic) reputation preceded you

On a more serious note, I believe that there’s also the Veteran’s Minimum, which leaves the MLE available, but it doesn’t change the Luxury Tax implications, so your point may stand.

by smgmatt on Jun 26, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up 0 recs