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The Kings and the Solid NFL Draft

(Ignore the time stamp: this was published by rbiegler late Thursday night. Just needed to get it to the top of the page so everyone can read it. -- TZ)

Of the variety of differences between an NBA and NFL draft perhaps none is more glaring than the discrepancy between a quality draft being evaluated on one prospect vs. several. This isn't a particularly insightful observation but it is nonetheless a pertinent one. Tonight the Kings may have had a mediocre NBA draft but they had a fantastic NFL draft. No they didn't get Bayless, and I acknowledge that's a disappointment, I had as much of a hard on for Bayless as anyone on this blog. But the Kings drafted three things they desperately needed, depth, good character players, and need late without sacrifice. No those aren't particularly appealing from a You Tube perspective, and as a person who tends to be in tune with the financial markets there is an inherent weariness in any investment that makes you unrealistically ambitious upon purchase. As observers of those halcyon years of Webber and Divac we know the vital importance of locker room synergy, no one in this group disrupts that. Contrarily these kids only enhance it. And it's not exactly like Thompson is short shrift from a talent stand point, the fact that we weren't clued in to him to begin with (and remember, had the Kings not drafted him kid was a lock to go to Golden State at 14) does not mean that his talent is at all lacking. That Thompson wasn't necessarily a sexy pick does not, in fact, mean he won't be a good f*ck.

Petrie has never been an instant gratification G.M., he's the fruit salad in a McFlurry world. That his picks tonight don't incite us to immediately go out, get drunk, and create fanciful futures for our franchise does not mean that those futures aren't a possibility. A solid, pundit favorite point guard, a Princeton educated forward who was an invaluable cog in a Final Four team, College Basketball's second leading double double gatherer are not the ingredients for a Draft Night wet dream, no. But wet dreams are nothing more than messy, unrequited fantasies anyway. Genuine fulfillment comes with patience and practice. Let's all just chill the fuck out.

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I have a draft day boner

and the only cure is more cow bell.

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by section214 on Jun 26, 2008 11:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   2 recs

You type your posts just like everyone else

The difference is, when you’re finished typing, your posts glow.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 7:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop the arse kissing

He knows he’s a legend. He just wants everyone else to know it without him having to lead you to it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not just about the geoff...

...but also about the hate that gets poured out on a few twenty-somethings who had the good fortune to be able hoop really really well.

Beware certitude.

by Reges on Jun 27, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SNL

He set up the “More Cowbell” sketch and I finished the analogy for him.

Bruce Dickinson: Easy, guys… I put my pants on just like the rest of you – one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on… I make gold records.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

comic gold

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really was kidding

Maybe next time I should keep my trap shut.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops...

I thought you missed the joke, but apparently it was me.

by smgmatt on Jun 28, 2008 9:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice, I missed it

and took it as a 9finger Phil reference. That SNL sketch was classic. I’m disappointed in myself for missing it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 27, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoah, I just read 2 blog posts in the last 5 minutes that used the word “halcyon”, what the crap? also, I dont know if I dig the NFL draft comparison, since NFL rosters are so big, having a lot of “average-ish” players would be considered a strength. There are a lot more pawns in football. But the NBA witht their limited roster sizes, which on any given night still contain 4 or 5 players who will not even step foot on the court, the number of guys who will influence the game is smaller, and therefore the impact of 1 star player is greater, and the impact of average roster filler is therefore less. If we just drafted 3 guys who wouldn’t even be in the rotation on a good squad, and i’m talking 2-3 yrs down the line, it’s just hard for me to get excited about these guys yet (“yet’ being the operative word here). I’m hopeful, dont get me wrong, and have come around to the idea of Thompson as a sleeper pick, but to be all “Ra Ra Ra, we drafted Average Players!”, that depresses me

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great food metaphor.

Loved your take on this as I agree completely.

by moproblemz on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's the Princeton-educated forward - Petrie?

and the second-leading double-double gatherer?

and the pundit favorite point guard?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Asking questions, getting answers

Ewing played in a Princeton style offense at Georgetown, Thompson Jr. was a Carril assistant remember. Singletary has been the most well received player we drafted from a critics standpoint (take that for what’s it worth.) And given rebound total and scoring total Thompson was more or less tied for second in the nation last year in terms of double doubles with Hansbrough. Speaking of which, don’t we constantly complain about this team’s most glaring deficiency being its inability to rebound? So we’re dissatisfied when we get one of the country’s best rebounders?

by rbiegler on Jun 27, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

All last season I would have killed for a 6-11 250 pounder with good hands. Killed.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

he did lead the NCAAs with most 20-20 games. (3, i think)

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by iashwash on Jun 27, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thompson < sexy than Speights

Meaning that though you may want Speights on your arm for a night on the town, Thompson is the one that you introduce to your parents and settle down with.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bet your gay

Not a slur, just an obscure Monty Python reference. So you should read the above with a British accent.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 27, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now

I’ve got the lumberjack song in my head – thanks.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solid draft, solid personnel moves are a Petrie hallmark

These are all well and good, but what is the goal of this franchise?

Shit, we’ve been to the playoffs lots of times, even been to the conference finals (sorry to bring that up). I’m hoping the goal is to win the whole enchilada.

The Western Conference is tough, and the lesser teams are improving. So at some point, I think you have to do a little more than make “solid” moves. We need acquisitions similar to Vlade/C-Webb that moves us from an “interesting” team to a potential elite level team in the NBA.

And I have no doubt that Petrie will pull off that deal, at some point. But I totally understand the frustration many are feeling while we wait for it to happen. Unless we are building a model of the Detroit Pistons (which I don’t think GP is capable of doing), we are going to need a superstar level talent on this squad.

Danny Ainge (Danny Ainge of all people!) turned a horrid franchise around in ONE YEAR. Sure, he caught lightning in a bottle, and the timing was right – but he went and made it happen.

The Kings, on the other hand, are playing the tortoise to the hares of the Western Conference. Will the tortoise win in the end?

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My 2 cents

For better or worse, part of our current lot in life is due to the fact that we have contracts that are tied to the end of our magnificent playoff run. ‘Reef was signed because we needed a PF and we thought that we were still relevant (didn’t we feel relevant against San Antonio in the playoffs?). K9(woof!) is Webber remnants. If Webber were healthy today and playing next to Brad Miller Petrie would have achieved a decade long run of the beautiful Princeton offense that we so loved when C-Webb and Vlade were at the helm. As it is, Brad Miller is an overpaid center that doesn’t fill our current needs.

We suck, but not as bad as two years ago, and we may be a little better this year. We will be relevant again, and I think that we’re heading in the right direction. We can’t really compare ourselves to Portland (3 games better than us last year) or Atlanta (1 game worse), as their suckitude predates ours and they have had more time to start the climb back up the mountain.

I’d love for us to be better. I’d love the Artest thing to be done (one way or the other) so that we can move on with determining the future of Salmons and/or Garcia. I’d kind of like a starting NBA point guard – one of those would be nice to have. But I like this team. I like how hard they play. I like the youth that we have. I like the direction that we’re headed in. I like being a Kings fan.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   3 recs

You have to remember

One of the reasons that Ainge was able to do this was because he stockpiled assets for a couple of years.

It’s not like he just woke up one day and said, “I think I’ll trade my roster for a couple of SUPERSTARS and turn this thing around!”

Think about this, would the Kings be contenders if they won the Draft Lottery? Right now we’d probably be looking at the exact same roster with Rose/Beasley instead of Thompson (there’d still be a hole either PG/PF depending on who GP went with).

Is that better? F#CK YEAH that’s better! Does it make Sacramento a contender and solve all of our problems? Nope.

Now remember that’s absolutely the most EXTREME example. There is no magic bullet.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

wow. well said.

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by iashwash on Jun 27, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stockpiled assets for a couple years

Hmmm…interesting. Is that what we’re doing?

I still have faith in Petrie, and I’m not at all upset about the Thompson pick. I’m not even saying that he’s not going about this in the best way possible.

But what I will say is that he’s starting to lose the benefit of the doubt, in my opinion. Unless, of course, we might be happy with a middle-of-the-road, first-round-playoff-exit kind of team.

Some times dynamic things need to happen to propel a team forward. The Lakers stole Gasol. The Celts “stockpiled assets” to get Garnett. The Cavs, Heat and Spurs were horrible enough at one point to draft a superstar. Well, ok – that’s not exactly dynamic, more luck than anything. So strike that as an option.

But hell, let’s plod along and see what happens. If that results in Petrie clearing the cap room for 2009-2010 or 2010-2011 to grab a big-time free agent, great. I can deal with that…but that’s putting a lot of eggs in a basket that may be non-existent by then. I’m sure we aren’t the only team in the world that knows how many good free agents are out there the next few years.

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Jun 27, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Additionally

This is my semi-annual question to the membership here: Are we sure Petrie is able to build a championship caliber franchise for any coach not named Rick Adelman?

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Jun 27, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that he can

But you’re spot on about the benefit of the doubt, at least based on yesterday’s threads. I’m still firmly in his camp, but there is a lot more room around the campfire these days.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the benefit of the doubt point came to mind

yesterday, when he picked Pat Ewing 23 yrs too late.

But I woke up this morning back in GP’s camp.

Side note: what happens when McHale realizes that every NBA team’s defense is at least as sophisticated as John Calipari’s, and almost every NBA team’s got a big at least as able to disrupt Kevin Love’s game as Joey Dorsey? Then he becomes a 13 pt, 8 rebound guy. Personally, I’d rather have JThompson.

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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Love

You’re putting a lot of stock into one game… There were quite a few big men in the Pac-10 this year who attempted to give Love the same treatment and failed miserably to hold him to 13 and 8. Not to mention the fact that he wasn’t in the best shape – an issue he’s already made progress on.

I like the pick, but I would also take my chances with Kevin Love as a pro.

by cabz on Jun 28, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than one way to skin a cat

I’m actually convinced that the Kings won’t sign one of the big 2010 Free Agents, but that they’ll actually trade for an All-Star using some of the 2010 Expiring Contracts that we have on the payroll.

The Lakers got Gasol for Cap Space. Ditto for Dallas/Kidd & Phoenix/Shaq . . . although those deals seemed much more reactionary to the Gasol trade to me.

Looking at basketball as a business, one of the ways to reach the ultimate goal is to obtain as many assets as you can. Portland is the epitome of this, but that was Ainge’s plan all along (not specifically KG of course), and it seems to be working out for them. Another good example of this is San Antonio. They’ve been drafting Euros that they don’t need so that when they’re ready to come over they have more assets to use (although they probably would like to take the Scola deal back, I’d wager).

As long as GP drafts players that can contribute to a contending NBA team, they will have value beyond their “projections”. As Section stated many times before the draft (I’m paraphrasing), “As long as the Kings draft a player that’s part of the 9-man rotation in 2010, that should be considered a success at #12”.

At this point, I’m actually a little more excited about the fact that I don’t know much about Thompson, because maybe he’s going to come out of nowhere and be a stud. I’m not counting on it or anything, but by not knowing him I don’t have a ceiling for his potential yet. Glass Half-Full.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Yep. This has been my subliminal thinking lately.

by Ziller on Jun 27, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GP is more crafty hare than conventional tortoise in my book

Drafting Peja, Hedo, G-Dub, J-Will, K-Mart, picking up guys like C-Webb when the Wizards were ready to give up on him, Mad Max, Keon Clark, Artest…

There are much more conventional hum-drum GMs out there than GP. To me, he’s always had a bit of an eff you subversive/unconventional/creative/lone wolf edge to him.

I’ll take GP making my chess moves for me any day.

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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we’re expecting a bit much at this point. It was only two seasons ago that we were in the playoffs and gave the Spurs a run for their money. Unlike the other teams like Atlanta, Portland, Boston, who were abysmal for many many years, we haven’t had time to build up any substantial amount of assets. Section214 makes a great point that we’re still tied down by contracts from the previous glory years. Until those are cleared, I’ll keep my expectations low for now.

Most importantly, though, we are neither in a big market or have an owner who gives carte blanche to their GM (ala Pritchard and Allen).

by Reggie Nation on Jun 27, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd disagree just a bit

The performance against the Spurs might have been a bit of an anomaly (Bonzi played out of his head, as well as Ron). And don’t forget, we lost that series in 6 games. We may have scared them a bit, but we were never really on the verge of winning that series. If Martin doesn’t make that amazing layup, we lose that series in 5.

Big market, small market. Doesn’t matter that much (see San Antonio, Utah). What’s really killing Petrie is the inability to turn around after the C-Webb trade and do anything tangible with those assets. That’s why we are waiting for cap room to clear to make some moves.

And that’s fine, I’m cool with it taking some time. But everyone’s assumption is that this team is heading in the right direction. And I would agree, if the right direction is simply being a decent playoff-type team.

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by otis29 on Jun 27, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point

regarding the SA series is that we, as fans, in that moment, felt that we were relevant. It was not until later that we began to question the ‘Reef signing. As a fan base we welcomed his signing as the filling of a great void at PF.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if shreef made that open 12 footer

It could also have been seven games. They played a great series, but Bibby wasn’t Bibby and we need Bibby to be Bibby.

Agreed with most else ur saying.

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by iashwash on Jun 27, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a good point

I think our problems stem from some sort of plan to minimize the valley in this current downswing. By signing MLEs and trying stubbornly to just make the playoffs each year, we keep getting these dreaded 10-16 picks. I’m afraid that by not getting bad enough we will never get good enough to compete for a title.

Where as if we’d just cleaned house after Webber’s injury and realized a title wasn’t happening with that team, we’d have been terrible the last few years, had Kmart plus one or two of an Oden or a Durant or a Paul or a Williams or a Horford type player(s) on the roster and be looking at a steep rise over the next few years.

Perpetual mediocrity is not a good thing.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah -

But who knew? We turned it around the year we acquired Artest and had one of the hottest finishes in the league. So in the off season Bonzi priced himself out and we signed Salmons for less, so that was actually a fortunate signing. No one around here was calling for a major re-tooling after that year. E-Muss brought us the “blow it up” era.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't around STR back then

but I didn’t see a Championship in our near future after the SA loss or before it for that matter, and I still don’t. We need to get in position to get some quality picks and we need to do it soon. In fact it may already be too late. Even if we dump Miller, Artest, Salmons, Moore, K9 and Reef, our young core of Beno, Martin, Garcia, Thompson and Hawes may be too good to get us down where we can pick top 5.

Remember our last championship run was fueled with players obtained with a #7(Williams to Bibby) and a #3(Owens to Richmond to Webber) and Bibby was a 3 and Webber a 1. Just look at the teams that are currently competing or are on the rise and they all have at least one top 5 pick quality player. Det, Orl, La, Sa, Cle, N.O., Dal, Den, G.S., Hou, Pho, Uta, Tor, NJ, Por, and Sea all have at least one top 5 pick and Bos has Garnet who today would be a #1 and Allen who was obtained with a #5.

Now maybe we can buck the trend a build a contender with 10s and 12s but the way we’ve been heading the last 4-5 years I see us screwing around and peaking as a 5-6 seed in 3-4 years and then starting to decline again. We spent 15 years doing that crap, and my biggest fear is that we’re heading in that direction again.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me either Kfan (i always had an account on str but didn't post until march of 07)

The thing about draft picks is that it’s somewhat cylical. You talk about all the teams that have high picks but, in a few cases, none of those teams ever got a higher pick than 4 or 5 in the draft (Nawlinz comes to mind), and Phoenix doesn’t have anybody on the roster drafted higher than 1st or 3rd. other than Shaq and Grant Hil, and that Shaq/Hill isn’t anywhere near the player he was.

For the record Bibby was a 2nd overall pick. Detroit’s highest drafted player was Chauncey Billups, and that was 3rd overall, and Billups played on 5 teams before arriving on the shores of Motown.

I agree with you that you need top talen to succeed, but the level at which that top talent is distributed is as much luck as it is organization direction. The Bulls were headed to a far worse future before they got lucky for instance.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought Bibby might be a 2, didn't look it up.

thanks for that. I hear you about Pho and NO, but they have no rings. You almost strengthen my point. NO may get a ring(Paul and Chandler were pretty high picks though a 4 and a 2?), but the Suns’ window is closing quickly. Regarding Detroit, yeah only Billups is a top 5, I’d argue that they are the team that bucked the trend. So maybe we just figure we’re like the Pistons. I’m not too confident about that.

I agree, some years are better than others. Anyone who remembers Pervis knows all about that. Doesn’t really change my point though. Is getting really bad the answer? It’s not a guarantee, but having a couple years in a row picking no worse than 5th with Petrie evaluating the talent would set us up a lot better than 3-4 years of 10-16s, I would think.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I forgot about Chandler who was selected 2nd overall

Kfan the bottom line is finding talent any way available.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about the Landlord

Isn’t Sheldon Williams a top 5 pick? I say we ride Sheldon all the way to the championship. Kings in 08-09!!

by Mityt on Jul 1, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm happy

about who the kings drafted

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