Chad Ford grades the draft
We got the second lowest grade (C-) behind Dallas (D, although it appears the Kidd trade affected the grade. So We're the worst out of teams who didn't make a desperation trade for the corpse of a once great PG.)
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I fail to understand Ford’s logic here. Thompson is a solid rotation player, as are Rush etc. Therefore, drafting Thompson is a failure, even though he offers exactly what the team needs?
by Ziller on Jun 27, 2008 8:54 AM PDT 0 recs
Ford's logic
Petrie caused him his biggest miss, so we get the low grade.
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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 8:56 AM PDT 0 recs
Right.
I can guarantee you if you went back and matched the picks Petrie made against Ford’s picks we would not be calling Ford an expert.
by moproblemz on
Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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exactly
Have a talent evaluator grade how other guys evaluated talent – before any games have been played – is a meaningless exercise.
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by Holmdel on
Jun 27, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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Honestly, I don’t give a damn what Chad Ford says. I think he’s an idiot. I almost never agree with him. I’m not saying the Kings should have gotten an A. Far from it. I would give the Kings a 79% grade. If they would have chosen Walker instead of Ewing Jr., I would be grading the draft an A- for the Kings.
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by dalt99 on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 AM PDT 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t know if I’d give them an A-, but Chet Ford is not a guy that I generally listen to.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
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Yeah
I think that was my biggest problem with choices that the Kings could actually make (you can’t take Bayless or Dorsey if they aren’t there, and if teams don’t like what you’re offering you can’t make trades either . . . for example).
I would much rather have gotten Walker than EJ . . . or even both if we could have stepped up and bought his rights instead of watching Boston do so (not my money, I know).
BTW, I like how “EJ” sounds, and I might even call him “Edge” if he sticks around long enough.
by smgmatt on
Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
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I was figuring
on calling Ewing P-Ew.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:09 AM PDT
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Section
Even if I stopped being a Sacramento Kings fan (never going to happen) I would still come to this site you read your posts. You are so damn funny. I want to see the P-Ew chant in section 214 this season!
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by dalt99 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
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It's all crap
When there is only one “D” out of 30 options, that is probably not the greatest grading system. How does that even come close to fitting a standard Bell Curve?
At least Ford’s “C-” is better than the “Fans Grade: F” they showed on the draft broadcast last night. At this rate, maybe tonight we’ll get an “A”.
Draft Grades are always like this too (e.g. NFL), which is just a joke.
by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 9:00 AM PDT 0 recs
I hate the inherent bias..
towards teams picking near the top. Chicago gets an A for picking Rose? Really? Does that pick require any skill whatsoever? Of course that’s a good pick, they won the frickin draft lottery.
by misterbrister on
Jun 27, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
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I agree
The point I was making is that pretty much everyone in these “Draft Grades” articles end up in the “B/C” range with “A’s” sprinkled in depending on the writer, but they rarely make any sense, because how can EVERYONE ALWAYS be average or better?
Using this as one as an example, there was one “D”. ONE. That means that EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NBA* other than the Mavs got pretty much exactly what they should have gotten in the draft. SERIOUSLY?
The Lakers got an “A” for drafting Joe Crawford (58). Really? Did they knock this draft out of the park with their low 2nd Round Pick? I think the Kings did much better in the draft than the Lakers, but because the Lakers “would do that [Gasol] deal a hundred times over” they get an “A” for the draft. HUH?
Footnote* Every team that drafted anyway, there were a 3 “Inc’s” in there, which seems like a cop out as well. How about a “D” for the Hawks not getting back into the draft? How can you not judge the Hornets selling their pick when Arthur ended up falling and might have swung a deal for Batum like Portland did? Why not give the Nuggets a grade for trading their pick for (possibly) a higher 1 in the future? It’s just ridiculous all around.
by smgmatt on
Jun 27, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
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As Kings fans we really should be used to this by now
When was the last time GP truely made a sexy pick? Makes you wonder of Geoff ever took out the hot, brainless, cheerleader in high school or if he waited and found the quiet girl in Frech class who actually looked pretty good once she took off her glasses and smiled—then married her.
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by SavageBeast on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 AM PDT 0 recs
1997?
I think Jason Williams would qualify as a sexy pick. That’s once in 13 years.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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Brian Grant?
Was he a “sexy” pick? My girlfriend says that Peja was a sexy pick. I had to explain to her in what context sexy is being used.
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by dalt99 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
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Actually
I think the Grant pick mirrors the Thompson pick a little.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
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J Will
So maybe he dated the hot cheerleader once, she gave him the clap, and he’s sworn off sexy cheerleaders?
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by SavageBeast on
Jun 27, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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Excellent comparison
If you look at Thompson’s stats.. 20,12,2. Those are probably numbers that can translate into the NBA.
I just hope we can somehow get Raymond Felton
Artest for Morrison and Felton???
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by kingme18 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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Eh don't need Morrison,
just make it Felton. Goddamn Bobcats.
by moproblemz on
Jun 27, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Felton for Salmons
Anyone remember if Salmons played for Brown in Philly, and if so, what was their relationship like?
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
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I like it
I like that trade (assuming Artest also goes somewhere) but we know Salmons is bad off the bench and they’ve already got Richardson and Wallace. Where does Salmons play?
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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That wouldn’t work under the cap and besides taking on Morrison is suppose to induce MJ to trade him.
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by kingme18 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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I have
Salmons ($5.1 million) and Felton ($4.1 million) well within 25% of each other pay wise. How does that not work under the cap?
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Because
The above thread went from:
Artest for Morrison and Felton???
to:
just make make it Felton.
Salmons for Felton (as you suggested after that) does work, Artest for Felton does not.
by smgmatt on
Jun 27, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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Thank you
You’re like my translator. How do you say “We need a point guard” in Swahili?
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
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why do we need a point guard in Swahili?
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on
Jun 27, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
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Because
if we look anywhere else, Kevin Pritchard will grab him first.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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No place for Artest to play
They’ve already got Richardson and Wallace, so there’s really no place for Artest or Salmons to play on that team.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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But
The Bobcats have been rumored to be moving Wallace.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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Yes please!
I’d be happy to take Wallace off their hands. Yeah, I know he’s hurt 30 games a year, but the 50 games Wallace does play are more entertaining than anyone else’s 82 game season.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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Please, not here
He has five years left at $9.5 million per.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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No using logic to win an argument!
I wasn’t asking for LOGIC here. I just like watching the guy play. And you’re right. But I still like watching him play.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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Me, too
Always fun to watch G-Dub on the high wire.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
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To injury prove for me. The guy has a nice act but man he had four concussions since going to Charlotte.
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by kingme18 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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except in this game...
the cheerleader is more likely to steal your money and give you VD, while the bookworm puts out and fixes your car for you.
(lame metaphor, I know)
by misterbrister on
Jun 27, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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three-team trade
Artest and K-9 (woof!) to Lakers; Lamar O to Grizz; Kyle Lowrey and salary cap equalizer to Kings.
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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs
Nice idea
But I don’t think that Memphis has the working pieces, especially since their new players from Minnesota (see Walker, Antoine) cannot be traded for 60 days…at least I think that’s the rule.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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Lowry or Crittendon for Shelden Williams
Lowry or Crittendon are the third and fourth string point guards on that team. The Grizz have nothing to lose by trading one of them for Shelden. I’d really prefer Conley, but that ain’t happening.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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I like it
But with the premium on point guards I’m betting that they can get more. I think they intend to play Mayo at the two and Conley at the point. Crittenton could play on the floor with either of those guys. Lowry is expendable, but I don’t know that they’ll give him up for The Landlord. Wouldn’t that be freakin’ cool, though? Thin the PF herd and score a PG.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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I prefer to think of it as cutting the head off a hydra
But yes, it would be nice.
by Carl on
Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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This was Chad Fords Review of Thompson In Mock 7.0
The skinny: Thompson could go as high as No. 14. He’ll also get looks from several teams throughout the first round. But there’s no way he’ll slip past Detroit at No. 29. He’s exactly what the Pistons are looking for—a skilled big man who can rebound and defend.
by cowbell 101 on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 AM PDT 0 recs
And...
They would’ve gotten an A for selecting him… probably GS too, since he had thrown it out there.
by cabz on
Jun 27, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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My thoughts on Ford: I like that he has more information than almost any other draft reporter.
I don’t like that he doesn’t seem to know much about NBA teams or NBA basketball.
by Ziller on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT 0 recs
yep
he’s definitely friendly with a lot of GMs (Walsh, Dumars, Pritchard), as his podcasts indicate. My guess is that he gets nothing or close to it from Petrie just like every other reporter, so he really does not know how the Kings draft or evaluate talent.
also, are mid-major prospects the new euros?
Beware certitude.
by Reges on
Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
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Yes
After you adjust for the devaluing dollar.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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Mid Major prospects have always been good sources of talent
Guys like Ford fail to realize playing at a program has little to do with how the NBA generally evalutes talent. That’s the real problem in all this.
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by pookeyguru on
Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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That only compounds the fact
that Ford is trying to grade a draft before 3 years are up. How can you possibly do that?
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by pookeyguru on
Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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umm...
not very well. anyone remember what he said about martin or garcia? (i don’t want to know what he said about douby)
Beware certitude.
by Reges on
Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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It doesn't matter what he said
Nobody can grade a draft until down the road. Period, and end of story.
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by pookeyguru on
Jun 27, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
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What a great point!
He should be evaluating the 2005 draft right now.
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by section214 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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If he had his board would look totally different
Anyway, I’m done for the night. It’s sleepy time.
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by pookeyguru on
Jun 27, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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Draft Analysis
Is done for the most casual of basketball fans. Most knowledgable fans realize the absurdity of attempting to evaluate a draft the day after.
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by otis29 on
Jun 27, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
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Exactly
Talent doesn’t just automatically show itself, right after draft day. This is more like a, “I’m going to grade you based on how much you agree with me” analysis.
by CloudyEyes on
Jun 27, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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I realize this Otis and your point is well heeded
The problem why doesn’t ESPN at least attempt to promote some sane fashion of basketball fandom? Why does every fan have to be stupid beyond belief?
(I’m sure the casual fan doesn’t even pay attention to those grades anyway.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
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I disagree.
The problem why doesn’t ESPN at least attempt to promote some sane fashion of basketball fandom? Why does every fan have to be stupid beyond belief?(I’m sure the casual fan doesn’t even pay attention to those grades anyway.)
I’m fairly certain that it’s what most casual fans do base their opinions on…and that’s unfortunate.
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by KK on
Jun 28, 2008 1:22 AM PDT
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Yeah if they bother to remember to look
Chances are anyone reading those rankings cares more about them than some with average rooting interest does. I don’t agree with you, and that’s my pregorative. (Or however you spell it.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 2, 2008 6:10 AM PDT
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Screw Chad Ford and ESPN
ESPN put their precious commercials in just before our 1st round pick and commercialed over our 2 second round picks. Chad Ford keeps bashing the Kings on draft night because Petrie almost never selects who he wants. Those bastards.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2008 1:51 PM PDT 0 recs












