Chad Ford grades the draft

We got the second lowest grade (C-) behind Dallas (D, although it appears the Kidd trade affected the grade. So We're the worst out of teams who didn't make a desperation trade for the corpse of a once great PG.)

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I fail to understand Ford’s logic here. Thompson is a solid rotation player, as are Rush etc. Therefore, drafting Thompson is a failure, even though he offers exactly what the team needs?

by Ziller on Jun 27, 2008 8:54 AM PDT 0 recs

Ford's logic

Petrie caused him his biggest miss, so we get the low grade.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 8:56 AM PDT 0 recs

Right.

I can guarantee you if you went back and matched the picks Petrie made against Ford’s picks we would not be calling Ford an expert.

by moproblemz on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

exactly

Have a talent evaluator grade how other guys evaluated talent – before any games have been played – is a meaningless exercise.

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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

Honestly, I don’t give a damn what Chad Ford says. I think he’s an idiot. I almost never agree with him. I’m not saying the Kings should have gotten an A. Far from it. I would give the Kings a 79% grade. If they would have chosen Walker instead of Ewing Jr., I would be grading the draft an A- for the Kings.

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by dalt99 on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 AM PDT 0 recs

Agreed

I don’t know if I’d give them an A-, but Chet Ford is not a guy that I generally listen to.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah

I think that was my biggest problem with choices that the Kings could actually make (you can’t take Bayless or Dorsey if they aren’t there, and if teams don’t like what you’re offering you can’t make trades either . . . for example).

I would much rather have gotten Walker than EJ . . . or even both if we could have stepped up and bought his rights instead of watching Boston do so (not my money, I know).

BTW, I like how “EJ” sounds, and I might even call him “Edge” if he sticks around long enough.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

I was figuring

on calling Ewing P-Ew.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up 0 recs

Section

Even if I stopped being a Sacramento Kings fan (never going to happen) I would still come to this site you read your posts. You are so damn funny. I want to see the P-Ew chant in section 214 this season!

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by dalt99 on Jun 27, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up 0 recs

It's all crap

When there is only one “D” out of 30 options, that is probably not the greatest grading system. How does that even come close to fitting a standard Bell Curve?

At least Ford’s “C-” is better than the “Fans Grade: F” they showed on the draft broadcast last night. At this rate, maybe tonight we’ll get an “A”.

Draft Grades are always like this too (e.g. NFL), which is just a joke.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 9:00 AM PDT 0 recs

I hate the inherent bias..

towards teams picking near the top. Chicago gets an A for picking Rose? Really? Does that pick require any skill whatsoever? Of course that’s a good pick, they won the frickin draft lottery.

by misterbrister on Jun 27, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

I agree

The point I was making is that pretty much everyone in these “Draft Grades” articles end up in the “B/C” range with “A’s” sprinkled in depending on the writer, but they rarely make any sense, because how can EVERYONE ALWAYS be average or better?

Using this as one as an example, there was one “D”. ONE. That means that EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NBA* other than the Mavs got pretty much exactly what they should have gotten in the draft. SERIOUSLY?

The Lakers got an “A” for drafting Joe Crawford (58). Really? Did they knock this draft out of the park with their low 2nd Round Pick? I think the Kings did much better in the draft than the Lakers, but because the Lakers “would do that [Gasol] deal a hundred times over” they get an “A” for the draft. HUH?

Footnote* Every team that drafted anyway, there were a 3 “Inc’s” in there, which seems like a cop out as well. How about a “D” for the Hawks not getting back into the draft? How can you not judge the Hornets selling their pick when Arthur ended up falling and might have swung a deal for Batum like Portland did? Why not give the Nuggets a grade for trading their pick for (possibly) a higher 1 in the future? It’s just ridiculous all around.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

As Kings fans we really should be used to this by now

When was the last time GP truely made a sexy pick? Makes you wonder of Geoff ever took out the hot, brainless, cheerleader in high school or if he waited and found the quiet girl in Frech class who actually looked pretty good once she took off her glasses and smiled—then married her.

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by SavageBeast on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 AM PDT 0 recs

1997?

I think Jason Williams would qualify as a sexy pick. That’s once in 13 years.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

Brian Grant?

Was he a “sexy” pick? My girlfriend says that Peja was a sexy pick. I had to explain to her in what context sexy is being used.

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by dalt99 on Jun 27, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

Actually

I think the Grant pick mirrors the Thompson pick a little.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

J Will

So maybe he dated the hot cheerleader once, she gave him the clap, and he’s sworn off sexy cheerleaders?

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by SavageBeast on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Nice!

Nicely said. My thoughts exactly.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

Excellent comparison

If you look at Thompson’s stats.. 20,12,2. Those are probably numbers that can translate into the NBA.

I just hope we can somehow get Raymond Felton

Artest for Morrison and Felton???

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by kingme18 on Jun 27, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

Eh don't need Morrison,

just make it Felton. Goddamn Bobcats.

by moproblemz on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

Felton for Salmons

Anyone remember if Salmons played for Brown in Philly, and if so, what was their relationship like?

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like it

I like that trade (assuming Artest also goes somewhere) but we know Salmons is bad off the bench and they’ve already got Richardson and Wallace. Where does Salmons play?

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

That wouldn’t work under the cap and besides taking on Morrison is suppose to induce MJ to trade him.

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by kingme18 on Jun 27, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

I have

Salmons ($5.1 million) and Felton ($4.1 million) well within 25% of each other pay wise. How does that not work under the cap?

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

Because

The above thread went from:

Artest for Morrison and Felton???

to:

just make make it Felton.

Salmons for Felton (as you suggested after that) does work, Artest for Felton does not.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thank you

You’re like my translator. How do you say “We need a point guard” in Swahili?

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

why do we need a point guard in Swahili?

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by iashwash on Jun 27, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

Because

if we look anywhere else, Kevin Pritchard will grab him first.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up 1 recs

Not if Indiana grabs him first!

by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

No place for Artest to play

They’ve already got Richardson and Wallace, so there’s really no place for Artest or Salmons to play on that team.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

But

The Bobcats have been rumored to be moving Wallace.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yes please!

I’d be happy to take Wallace off their hands. Yeah, I know he’s hurt 30 games a year, but the 50 games Wallace does play are more entertaining than anyone else’s 82 game season.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

Please, not here

He has five years left at $9.5 million per.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

No using logic to win an argument!

I wasn’t asking for LOGIC here. I just like watching the guy play. And you’re right. But I still like watching him play.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up 0 recs

Me, too

Always fun to watch G-Dub on the high wire.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

To injury prove for me. The guy has a nice act but man he had four concussions since going to Charlotte.

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by kingme18 on Jun 27, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up 0 recs

except in this game...

the cheerleader is more likely to steal your money and give you VD, while the bookworm puts out and fixes your car for you.

(lame metaphor, I know)

by misterbrister on Jun 27, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up 0 recs

three-team trade

Artest and K-9 (woof!) to Lakers; Lamar O to Grizz; Kyle Lowrey and salary cap equalizer to Kings.

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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs

Nice idea

But I don’t think that Memphis has the working pieces, especially since their new players from Minnesota (see Walker, Antoine) cannot be traded for 60 days…at least I think that’s the rule.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up 0 recs

Lowry or Crittendon for Shelden Williams

Lowry or Crittendon are the third and fourth string point guards on that team. The Grizz have nothing to lose by trading one of them for Shelden. I’d really prefer Conley, but that ain’t happening.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like it

But with the premium on point guards I’m betting that they can get more. I think they intend to play Mayo at the two and Conley at the point. Crittenton could play on the floor with either of those guys. Lowry is expendable, but I don’t know that they’ll give him up for The Landlord. Wouldn’t that be freakin’ cool, though? Thin the PF herd and score a PG.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up 0 recs

I prefer to think of it as cutting the head off a hydra

But yes, it would be nice.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

This was Chad Fords Review of Thompson In Mock 7.0

The skinny: Thompson could go as high as No. 14. He’ll also get looks from several teams throughout the first round. But there’s no way he’ll slip past Detroit at No. 29. He’s exactly what the Pistons are looking for—a skilled big man who can rebound and defend.

by cowbell 101 on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 AM PDT 0 recs

And...

They would’ve gotten an A for selecting him… probably GS too, since he had thrown it out there.

by cabz on Jun 27, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

Exactly.....

by cowbell 101 on Jun 27, 2008 9:54 AM PDT 0 recs

My thoughts on Ford: I like that he has more information than almost any other draft reporter.

I don’t like that he doesn’t seem to know much about NBA teams or NBA basketball.

by Ziller on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT 0 recs

yep

he’s definitely friendly with a lot of GMs (Walsh, Dumars, Pritchard), as his podcasts indicate. My guess is that he gets nothing or close to it from Petrie just like every other reporter, so he really does not know how the Kings draft or evaluate talent.

also, are mid-major prospects the new euros?

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by Reges on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yes

After you adjust for the devaluing dollar.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Mid Major prospects have always been good sources of talent

Guys like Ford fail to realize playing at a program has little to do with how the NBA generally evalutes talent. That’s the real problem in all this.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

That only compounds the fact

that Ford is trying to grade a draft before 3 years are up. How can you possibly do that?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

umm...

not very well. anyone remember what he said about martin or garcia? (i don’t want to know what he said about douby)

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by Reges on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

It doesn't matter what he said

Nobody can grade a draft until down the road. Period, and end of story.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up 0 recs

What a great point!

He should be evaluating the 2005 draft right now.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

If he had his board would look totally different

Anyway, I’m done for the night. It’s sleepy time.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up 0 recs

Draft Analysis

Is done for the most casual of basketball fans. Most knowledgable fans realize the absurdity of attempting to evaluate a draft the day after.

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by otis29 on Jun 27, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up 0 recs

WE DO?!?

I kid, I kid.

by smgmatt on Jun 27, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

Exactly

Talent doesn’t just automatically show itself, right after draft day. This is more like a, “I’m going to grade you based on how much you agree with me” analysis.

by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

I realize this Otis and your point is well heeded

The problem why doesn’t ESPN at least attempt to promote some sane fashion of basketball fandom? Why does every fan have to be stupid beyond belief?

(I’m sure the casual fan doesn’t even pay attention to those grades anyway.)

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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

I disagree.

The problem why doesn’t ESPN at least attempt to promote some sane fashion of basketball fandom? Why does every fan have to be stupid beyond belief?
(I’m sure the casual fan doesn’t even pay attention to those grades anyway.)

I’m fairly certain that it’s what most casual fans do base their opinions on…and that’s unfortunate.

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by KK on Jun 28, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah if they bother to remember to look

Chances are anyone reading those rankings cares more about them than some with average rooting interest does. I don’t agree with you, and that’s my pregorative. (Or however you spell it.)

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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 6:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

Screw Chad Ford and ESPN

ESPN put their precious commercials in just before our 1st round pick and commercialed over our 2 second round picks. Chad Ford keeps bashing the Kings on draft night because Petrie almost never selects who he wants. Those bastards.

by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2008 1:51 PM PDT 0 recs