In defense of Geoff Petrie
by Duane Causwell JR on Jun 29, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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Let's do some OBJECTIVE analysis of what GP has done with his first round draft picks...
1995 Corliss Williamson (13)
Beloved Corliss contributed on a 2004 Detroit championship team. He was a fringe starter, great scorer off the bench, plus a consumate professional. Petrie TRADED him for Doug Christie who was a key contributer on our best squads. The best player picked behind him in the first round was Michael Finley and we already had an all-world 2 guard then.
Verdict: Good Pick
1996 Peja Stojakovic (14)
Peja showed how GP was ahead of the curve scouting International players. NOBODY knew who this guy was (remember that grainy footage?) and well, he turned out to be pretty damn good. Key member of the 2002-4 teams AND the current Hornets team which should be in the mix for an NBA title for years to come. Arguably the best shooter in the world. Third in the NBA in scoring in 2004. TRADED for Artest which we all know the Maloofs pushed for. Steve Nash was picked behind him but that is nitpicking. And besides we had BOBBY HURLEY as our undersized white point guard then.
Verdict: Great Pick
1997 Olivier St. Jean (11)
Not an exciting pick. TRADED for Brick Anderson who thankfully was put out to pasture when DC came aboard. Interestingly enough the best players picked behind OSJ/TAW were Bobby Jackson and Scot Pollard in what was a weak draft.
Verdict: Eh
1998 Jason Williams (7)
Ahh (getting serious nostalgia here) good times. J-Thrill put Sactown bball on the map. Pure and simple. And of course Petrie TRADED him for Bibby. Pierce and Nowitzki were on the board but so were Webb and Divac and we didn't have a PG. Definitely the 'riskiest' pick GP has made and it was a winner.
Verdict: Great Pick
2000 Hedo Turkoglu (16)
Brother Hedo was a key contributor on the best Kings teams and has blossomed into an All-NBA caliber player on the Magic. He was TRADED for Brad Miller which could be interpreted either way. Personally I think Miller has played pretty well in Sac other than one really, really crappy season. In the right system he's a great 5 man with his offensive skill set.
Verdict: Great Pick
2001 Gerald Wallace (25)
GP took a flyer (har!) on Wallace who has developed into one of the most explosive (albeit injury-prone) wings in the league. He didn't get much burn under Adelman but played well when called upon. Too bad the team was so deep when the expansion draft came.
Verdict: Great Pick
2004 Kevin Martin (26)
Another head-scratcher from GP that turned into gold. The Kings best player right now. A top 30 NBA player who is only going to get better. Perhaps not the #1 guy on a title team but still a quality player to build around. Glad to have him on the books for 4 more years.
Verdict: Great Pick
2005 Francisco Garcia (17)
My favorite King. I love Cisco's swag, hustle, lockdown D and emerging offensive game. I don't see any reason he can't be a Tayshaun Prince-like glue guy on a contender. Maxiell and Lee were picked behind him, but I think Cisco has a higher ceiling than either of them.
Verdict: Good Pick (potentially Great)
It is much too early to OBJECTIVELY evaluate Spencer Hawes or Quincy Douby at this point. 3-4 years is an adequate sample size, not 1-2. Did anyone see KMart exploding after he finished his 2nd season? Hardly.
Hawes should be a Top 15 Center at some point and Douby has the skills. He needs a role and some burn. The cat led the Big East in scoring. He can play. I think the Eddie House comparison is good, and I think he has the potential to be much better defensively.
And now you want to criticize/fire Geoff Petrie? That is the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard. GP is one of the best GMs in the game right up there with Buford, Pritchard and Dumars. He's NEVER had a Top 5 pick. The biggest FA to land in Sac has been VLADE DIVAC for God's sake! And DESPITE this he's managed to steer our beloved Kings into the playoffs 9 of 13 years with 3 of those teams being title contenders. He's a TWO-TIME Executive of the Year. The man knows NBA talent better than 99.999999% of the world including Chad Ford and other 'experts' roaming the internet. And you haters. Especially you. Go watch some more Anthony Randolph or Jerryd Bayless youtube highlights and then remember that you have ZERO clue about evaluating NBA talent . They might be good players. Or they could be Stromile Swift and Shawn Respert. It's all conjecture at this point.
And now you want to fire him? That is absurd. GO AWAY. You are the BANDWAGON fans who jumped on when the Holy Trinity formed and Sac became relevant. BANDWAGON fans b*tch and moan cause they don't know bball. Real NBA heads know we've got a GREAT GM. You know what GP is doing? He's waiting patiently, picking up and developing good players, ready to pounce on the next CWebb that comes available (or FA perhaps).
I'm excited about the Jason Thompson Era. A big, athletic 4-man with skills? Isn't that EXACTLY what we've been pining for ever since the CWebb glory days?
Ziller, section214 I enjoy your posts and analysis. It's nice to know there are other intelligent, articulate fans who love this team as much as I do. As for you jokers critical of Geoff Petrie? Move to LA.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Nice post
Good analysis. It certainly shows that Petrie knows his way around a draft room.
I will disagree with one thing (and remember, this is coming from the biggest Petrie arse kisser on this site). While I frimly disagree with those that would even consider Petrie’s ouster, I do respect their opinion, as many (not all) are well thought out and provocative. As usual, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, to the left of my “Geoff is great” and to the right of “Geoff sucks.”
The “bandwagon” fans that you speak of don’t exist here. They would have left about half way through the E-Muss error era. The fans that are here (and here most every day) are a loyal, sick, ardent, sick, passionate, sick, obsessive, sick bunch that has stayed with this team through thin and thick and thin again. That’s what I love most about being a member here. I can disagree with the opinion but still respect the opinion, because the opinion usually has a high level of passion and intelligence behind it. I always hope that the folks here feel the same about me – “I don’t always agree with him, but I get his point and (damn!) he sure cares about the Kings.”
So again, thanks for the great post and keep ‘em coming. Welcome to Sactown Royalty, the friendliest little leper colony in the world!
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by section214 on Jun 29, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agree
Nice post Cause, but a bit harsh in the last couple of paragraphs.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 29, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
A couple of paragraphs of idiocy
There was some decent analysis of the draft picks, but I’m not sure anyone is questioning Petrie’s ability to find talent in the draft.
Kevin Pritchard stole my daughter's lunch money.
I'm a bandwagon fan
I stopped caring about the team following the Adelman non hiring.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Weighing Hawes
As I said on a different string, I think its already clear that Hawes (only 19) is clearly an NBA level player. What his lingering weaknesses may be, what his potential upside is – both remain to be seen. Is he a long term starter at the NBA level? We’ll see in the next year or two.
Isn’t that what you’re looking for when you draft a young big man? He clearly belongs in the league, he will be a factor of SOME degree. If he improves this year (at only 20), the pick was already a good one.
As for BMILLER, I think we’re all too hard on him. He had one terrible year in 2006 yes, the question is: who else could we have gotten? How many Centers in this league are better? The dominant Centers in the league who are ‘clearly’ better (I think), can be counted on one hand. That makes Brad a top 10 NBA Center.
I challenge anyone to list 10 centers who are ‘clearly’ better. Don’t give me ‘the grass is greener’ guys, I mean CLEARLY Better. That makes him a valuable member of the team all the way to the end of his career OR gives him real value at the trading deadline this year and summer next year.
(i should start a thread on that)
eternal skeptical optimist
Miller
I had noted it somewhere else. We signed him to be Robin, but after Webber’s injury we asked him to be Batman. He’s not Batman. He was part of Petrie’s plan to keep the fluid Princeton offense in place after Divac’s contract was up. His full worth can really only be felt when he is playing along another strong inside presence, and he has not had that here in years. That’s not his fault, but that is his present life.
Brad’s an $8 million player making $11-12 million. That wouldn’t hurt most teams, but most teams don’t have almost $15 million annually tied up in ‘Reef and K9(woof!).
If you’re going to run a thread on this and you include a poll, please give me the option to vote for “He’s not the problem, but he’s not the cure,” becuase I think that sums him up.
Item last – One of the big reasons that people keep mentioning ways to trade Brad is because he actually does have some ability and value. When I concoct a Miller trade, it’s not because I don’t like him. It’s his talents that make him a moveable commodity. And let’s face it. The Kings are not going to be top tier over the next two years of Brad’s contract.
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by section214 on Jun 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The best part about Brad's contract is that it expires in the next 2 years too
“He’s not the problem or the cure” is the single best line that could be said about him. That’s “rec” worthy for that line alone.
I also think Reef’s salary if he ends up becoming medically retired helps this team with cap flexibility too. That’s a long ways off, but it is something to consider In my dim-witted view. K9 can be used as a trade chip by next trade deadline or at worse next off-season. That isn’t too bad for a guy who is using up space. I thought the other day you nailed it on the head when you mentioned K9’s dropoff as something you didn’t see coming. Neither did Petrie or the basketball staff and they felt his strengths would allow him to remain useful as his contract had less & less year’s on it. Unfornutately for everyone that didn’t stay the case. Ohz well. You livez and learn right?
Again a rec’d worthy post. (I would suggest recommending the Fan Post of DC jr too myself.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
ive got 12 and a push
marcus camby, andrew bynum, pau gasol, chris kaman, zydrunas ilguaskis, samuel dalembert, tim duncan, yao ming, dwight howard, amare stoudamare(before the shaq trade he was a 5), tyson chandler, shaq(reluctantly putting his name), and i think andrew bogut is a push.
"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"
Nope...
Andrew Bynum played well for, what, 6 weeks? He would win a ‘who would you rather have’ contest, most likely, but he is NOT clearly better than Brad at this point in his career. He could be after next season, should he continue to improve, but that isn’t the case right now.
Dalembert? Bogut? You’re joking, right?
Chandler, in my opinion, is questionable as well – clearly better defensively, clearly not offensively. Shaq is a push at best. He’ll likely move off the list after this season (so perhaps that’s a push with Bynum).
Amare? He’s not a center, sorry. There’s a reason Phoenix traded for Shaq AND drafted a center with their pick this year.
uhhhh....
Bogut has basically the same numbers as brad with more athleticism and if you dont protest camby how can you protest dalembert at 10+ points 10+ boards 2.3 blocks .49 steals 51% fg, his game might not be as pretty as brad’s but he does more things that lead to winning. And youre crazy to say Bynum is a push, Shaq in the playoffs got 15 and 9 with 2.6 blocks a game and has similar numbers to brad in the reg season. And Amare may not be ideal at center but id rather have him play the 5 over Brad and it is the position hes been playing since he entered the league. And if there had have been one more player on the olympic team it would have been Chandler…there wasnt even the slightest murmur about miller rejoining the national squad.
"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"
one more thing on shaq
he was just traded for Marion, who could we get for BMiller? not a shawn marion caliber player… i know that isnt the best way to compare players but since there is quite a bit of talk here on StR about trading brad this feb. it is valid to look it at if from that perspective.
"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"
I'll respond to the other post when I get a chance, but...
Gasol was just traded for Kwame Brown, so the ‘he was traded for…’ argument holds absolutely no weight for me. I see where you’re going, I just don’t think it’s valid.
Yea, and Garnett was traded for Telfair
But neither Telfair or Brown were the center piece of their respective trades. Marc Gasol, the first rounder, and Javaris Critterion(i think thats his name) each meant more to the Griz than Kwame Brown.
"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"
Garnett was traded for a bunch of players
One of them happened to be Telfair.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
B Miller - Nice summary
From 214:
"He’s not the problem, but he’s not the cure," because I think that sums him up.
absolutely – but
Many of the proposed trades I’ve seen here seem to trade his slightly high salary for others that REALLY make no sense. I’d be suprised if there’s not at least a lot of talk at the trading deadline this year – and we get some decent offers.
let him teach the young guys some of those passing skills ect. for another half season though.
eternal skeptical optimist
K-9
Forget it. We’re stuck with him for two years I think. He was an ‘energy guy’ that stopped being an ‘energy guy’ + his shot (never great) has degarded for some reason.
SAR qualifying for medical retirement – I include it my prayers each night.
eternal skeptical optimist
Here's EVERY SINGLE MOVE Petrie has made since he became GM of the Kings...
Copied and pasted from Hoopshype.
No bias, just facts. From my observations, though, Petrie is a really big bargain hunter who scouts out players that go unwanted by other teams.
TRANSACTIONS:
SEASON 2007-08
February 29 2008
Waived guard Tyronn Lue.
February 16 2008
Traded guard Mike Bibby to Atlanta for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue, centers
Shelden Williams and Lorenzen Wright and a second-round pick; w aived guard Dahntay Jones and forward Justin Williams.
December 10 2007
Signed guard Dahntay Jones and waived center Darryl Watkins.
November 15 2007
Waived guard Orien Greene.
November 1 2007
Signed guard Beno Udrih.
October 31 2007
Waived guard Mustafa Shakur.
October 14 2007
Waived forwards Nik Caner-Medley and Brandon Robinson and centers Rashid Byrd and Adam Parada.
October 4 2007
Named Lafayette Lever director of player development.
October 1 2007
Signed forward Nik Caner-Medley and centers Rashid Byrd, Adam Parada and Darryl Watkins.
August 31 2007
Signed guard Orien Greene.
August 29 2007
Signed guard Kevin Martin to a contract extension and named Rex Kalamian assistant coach.
August 7 2007
Re-signed forward Justin Williams.
August 1 2007
Named Chuck Person and Randy Brown assistant coaches.
July 13 2007
Signed forward Mikki Moore.
July 7 2007
Named Kenny Natt assistant coach.
July 5 2007
Signed guard Mustafa Shakur and center Spencer Hawes.
Draft 2007
Selected center Spencer Hawes (10th overall pick).
June 22 2007
Exercised the contract option on guards Francisco Garcia and Quincy Douby through 2008-09.
June 19 2007
Named Reggie Theus head coach.
April 20 2007
Fired head coach Eric Musselman.
SEASON 2006-07
March 1 2007
Waived guard Jason Hart.
January 15 2007
Signed forward Justin Williams for the remainder of the season.
January 23 2007
Waived forward Maurice Taylor.
January 15 2007
Signed forward Justin Williams to a second 10-day contract.
January 5 2007
Signed forward Justin Williams to a 10-day contract.
October 23 2006
Waived center Loren Woods.
October 13 2006
Waived guard Pooh Jeter.
October 13 2006
Waived guard Pooh Jeter.
October 3 2006
Signed forward Maurice Taylor.
August 15 2006
Signed center Loren Woods.
July 25 2006
Waived forward Sergey Monya.
July 24 2006
Signed guards John Salmons and Pooh Jeter and forward Justin Williams.
July 8 2006
Signed forward Louis Amundson.
July 3 2006
Signed guard Quincy Douby.
July 1 2006
Exercised the contract option on guard Kevin Martin through 2007-08.
June 30 2006
Exercised the contract option on guard Francisco Garcia through 2007-08.
Draft 2006
Selected guard Quincy Douby (19th overall pick).
June 23 2006
Named Scott Brooks, TR Dunn, Brendan O’Connor, Mark Hughes and Jason Hamm assistant coaches and Clay Moser advance scout.
June 2 2006
Named Eric Musselman head coach.
SEASON 2005-06
February 23 2006
Traded forward Brian Skinner to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Sergey Monya from the Portland Trail Blazers and center Vitaly Potapenko from the Seattle SuperSonics.
January 25 2006
Traded forward Predrag Stojakovic to the Indiana Pacers for forward Ron Artest.
October 27 2005
Waived center Luke Schenscher.
October 6 2005
Signed center Luke Schenscher.
August 12 2005
Signed forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
August 9 2005
Signed forward Jamal Sampson.
August 2 2005
Traded guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Bonzi Wells; traded a future second-round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for guard Jason Hart; signed guard Ronnie Price.
July 6 2005
Signed guard Francisco Garcia.
Draft 2005
Selected guard Francisco Garcia (23rd overall pick).
SEASON 2004-05
February 23 2005
Traded forwards Chris Webber, Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes to the Philadelphia 76ers for forwards Kenny Thomas, Corsliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.
February 11 2005
Signed a four-year contract extension.
January 10 2005
Traded guard Doug Christie to the Orlando Magic for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Michael Bradley.
January 7 2005
Signed guard Eddie House.
November 20 2004
Waived guard Courtney Alexander.
November 1 2004
Waived guard Ricky Minard and forward David Bluthenthal.
October 1 2004
Signed guard Courtney Alexander.
August 10 2004
Signed forward David Bluthenthal.
July 23 2004
Re-signed forward Darius Songaila.
July 20 2004
Signed center Greg Ostertag.
July 7 2004
Signed guards Kevin Martin and Ricky Minard.
June 30 2004
Named TR Dunn assistant coach.
Draft 2004
Selected guards Kevin Martin (26th overall pick) and Ricky Minard (47th overall pick).
SEASON 2003-04
March 12 2004
Signed guard Rodney Buford for the remainder of the season.
March 4 2004
Signed guard Rodney Buford to a second 10-day contract.
February 23 2004
Waived forward Lawrence Funderburke.
February 21 2004
Signed guard Rodney Buford to a 10-day contract.
December 8 2003
Waived guard Rodney Buford.
October 22 2003
Waived forwards Mark Strickland and Philip Ricci.
October 17 2003
Exercised the contract option on forward Gerald Wallace through 2004-05.
October 2 2003
Signed forwards Mark Strickland and Philip Ricci.
August 22 2003
Signed forward Tony Massenburg.
August 15 2003
Signed guard Anthony Peeler.
August 5 2003
Traded forward Keon Clark and two future second-round picks to the Utah Jazz in for a future second-round draft pick.
July 24 2003
Traded center Scot Pollard to the Indiana Pacers and forward Hidayet Turkoglu to the San Antonio Spurs for center Brad Miller from the Indiana Pacers.
June 27 2003
Signed head coach Rick Adelman to a two-year contract extension.
June 25 2003
Signed forward Darius Songaila.
June 23 2003
Traded second-round draft picks in 2003 and 2005 for the draft rights to forward Darius Songaila.
SEASON 2002-03
December 1 2002
Signed forward Jim Jackson.
October 18 2002
Signed guard Damon Jones.
October 17 2002
Released guards Sean Chen and Kiwane Garris and center Casey Shaw.
October 7 2002
Released forwards Nakiea Miller and Jean-Paul Afif and center Sean Daugherty.
September 12 2002
Exercised the option on guard-forward Hidayet Turkoglu for the 2003-04 season.
September 10 2002
Traded guard Mateen Cleaves to the Cleveland Cavaliers for forward Jumaine Jones. Trade was later rescinded.
August 16 2002
Signed guard Mike Bibby to a seven-year contract.
August 14 2002
Signed forward Keon Clark to a one-year contract.
August 9 2002
Signed forward Corsley Edwards.
July 29 2002
Named Terry Porter assistant coach.
Draft 2002
Selected guard Dan Dickau (28th overall pick) and forward Corsley Edwards (58th overall pick).
Traded the rights to guard Dan Dickau to the Atlanta Hawks for a future first-round draft pick.
SEASON 2001-02
March 8 2002
Signed forward Chucky Brown to a second 10-day contract.
February 26 2002
Signed forward Chucky Brown to a 10-day contract.
December 18 2001
Waived forward Jabari Smith.
October 22 2001
Waived guard Maurice Jeffers and forward Torraye Braggs.
September 7 2001
Traded guard Jon Barry to the Detroit Pistons for guard Mateen Cleaves.
July 21 2001
Re-signed forward Chris Webber to a seven-year contract.
July 18 2001
Re-signed guard Doug Christie to a four-year contract.
June 27 2001
Traded guards Jason Williams and Brent Price to the Memphis Grizzlies for guards Mike Bibby and Nick Anderson.
Draft 2001
Selected forward Gerald Wallace (25th overall pick) and guard Maurice Jeffers (55th overall pick).
SEASON 2000-01
February 18 2001
Signed forward Art Long to a 10-day contract.
December 20 2000
Signed coach Rick Adelman to a two-year contract extension through the 2003-04 season.
October 30 2000
Waived forwards Roy Rogers, Malik Allen and Antonio Lang.
September 29 2000
Traded forward Corliss Williamson to the Toronto Raptors for guard Doug Christie.
September 27 2000
Extended the contract of coach Rick Adelman through the 2001-02 season.
September 18 2000
Named Elston Turner assistant coach.
August 16 2000
Re-signed guard-forward Predrag Stojakovic to a multi-year contract extension.
August 4 2000
Signed guard-forward Hidayet Turkoglu.
August 1 2000
Signed free agent guard Bobby Jackson, who had been with the Minnesota Timberwolves, to a multi-year contract; re-signed free agent center Scot Pollard to a multi-year contract.
July 18 2000
Signed forward Jabari Smith.
Draft 2000
Selected guard-forward Hidayet Turkoglu (16th overall pick) and forward Jabari Smith (45th overall pick).
SEASON 1999-00
October 29 1999
Waived forward Art Long.
October 11 1999
Waived center Tywan Sanford, forward Malcolm Mackey and guard Keith Veney.
October 2 1999
Signed free agent forward Tyrone Corbin.
September 29 1999
Re-signed free agent forward Corliss Williamson.
September 7 1999
Signed free agent center Bill Wennington, who had been with the Chicago Bulls.
August 30 1999
Signed guard Ryan Robertson, their second round draft pick.
August 16 1999
Signed free agent guard Tony Delk, who had been with the Golden State Warriors, to a multi-year contract.
August 4 1999
Re-signed forward Lawrence Funderburke; signed guard Darrick Martin.
August 3 1999
Traded guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad to the Orlando Magic for guard Nick Anderson; re-signed free agent guard Jon Barry and free agent center Scot Pollard to multi-year contracts.
August 1 1999
Renounced the rights to guards Michael Hawkins and Chris Robinson and centers Jerome James and Oliver Miller.
July 27 1999
Extended the contracts of assistants John Wetzel and Byron Scott through the 2000-01 season.
Draft 1999
Selected guard Ryan Robertson (45th overall pick).
SEASON 1998-99
February 24 1999
Signed free agent center Scot Pollard.
February 23 1999
Waived guard Terry Dehere.
February 22 1999
Claimed guard Michael Hawkins off waivers.
February 19 1999
Waived center Peter Aluma and guard Kevin Ollie.
February 1 1999
Signed free agent center Oliver Miller, who had been with the Toronto Raptors.
January 22 1999
Signed center Vlade Divac, who had been with the Charlotte Hornets, to a multi-year contract; re-signed free agent forward Corliss Williamson; signed guard Jason Williams, their 1998 first-round pick, to a three-year contract; signed center Jerome James; signed free agent guards Vernon Maxwell, who had been with the Charlotte Hornets, and Jon Barry, who had been with the Los Angeles Lakers; released guards Isaac Fontaine and Dylan Rigdon and forwards Ryan Perryman and Randy White; renounced the rights to guards Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Anthony Johnson, forwards Mark Hendrickson and Billy Owens and centers Olden Polynice and Michael Stewart.
October 7 1998
Named John Wetzel, Pete Carril, Byron Scott and Steve Fisher assistant coaches.
September 17 1998
Named Rick Adelman head coach.
August 18 1998
Fired head coach Eddie Jordan; opted not to renew the contract of assistant coach Mike Bratz.
Draft 1998
Selected guard Jason Williams (7th overall pick) and center Jerome James (36th overall pick).
June 15 1998
Signed forward Predrag Stojakovic, their 1996 first-round draft pick, to a three-year contract.
May 14 1998
Traded guard Mitch Richmond and forward Otis Thorpe to the Washington Wizards for forward Chris Webber.
SEASON 1997-98
February 20 1998
Waived guard Kevin Gamble and center Kevin Salvadori.
February 18 1998
Traded guard Bobby Hurley and forward Michael Smith to the Vancouver Grizzlies for forward Otis Thorpe and guard Chris Robinson.
December 23 1997
Signed forward Mark Hendrickson.
October 10 1997
Waived forward Stacey King and center Matt Fish.
October 1 1997
Signed center Matt Fish.
September 20 1997
Signed guard Anthony Avent.
September 11 1997
Signed forward Stacey King.
September 5 1997
Waived forward Gary Grant and center Matt Fish.
August 12 1997
Traded center Duane Causwell to the Miami Heat for forward Gary Grant and center Matt Fish.
August 1 1997
Signed guard Terry Dehere.
July 26 1997
Signed guard Anthony Johnson.
July 17 1997
Re-signed center Kevin Salvadori.
July 8 1997
Signed guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad and forward Lawrence Funderburke.
Draft 1997
Selected guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad (11th overall pick) and guard Anthony Johnson (40th overall pick).
SEASON 1996-97
January 30 1997
Signed guard Jeff Grayer to a second 10-day contract.
January 20 1997
Signed guard Jeff Grayer to a 10-day contract.
January 6 1997
Waived forward Devin Gray.
December 21 1996
Signed forward Devin Gray.
Draft 1996
Selected forward Predrag Stojakovic (14th overall pick) and forward Jason Sasser (41st overall pick).
June 16 1996
Traded guard Sarunas Marciulionis and a second round pick, the 37th overall, in the 1996 draft to the Denver Nuggets for guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
SEASON 1995-96
October 26 1995
Waived guard-forward Henry Turner; renounced the rights to guard Doug Lee.
September 18 1995
Traded center Frank Brickowski to the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Sarunas Marciulionis and forward Byron Houston.
Draft 1995
Selected forward Corliss Williamson (13th overall pick), forward Lou Roe (30th overall pick), guard Tyus Edney (47th overall pick) and forward Dejan Bodiroga (51st overall pick).
Question
Draft 2002
Selected guard Dan Dickau (28th overall pick) and forward Corsley Edwards (58th overall pick).
Traded the rights to guard Dan Dickau to the Atlanta Hawks for a future first-round draft pick.
...
September 7 2001
Traded guard Jon Barry to the Detroit Pistons for guard Mateen Cleaves.
I thought that Atlanta pick was included in the Barry trade. If not, where did that pick go?
The future 1st round pick
is what went to Detroit as part of the Cleaves/Barry deal…I think. Tracking that pick has been like tracking the holy grail.
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Wow
I was wondering about that pick for a few years and forgot about it I guess about a year ago. If we traded Jon Barry and a first round pick for Mateen Cleeves just to clear cap room, that sucks.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
We made the deal
because Barry had fallen out of the main rotation behind Turkoglu and B-Jax (people forget that Barry only averaged 5 pts. a game the year before). Cleaves still had promise, at least as a viable emergency PG. I never did understand why a draft pick had to be thrown in to make that deal work, though.
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Because the Kings were paying luxury tax and Detroit knew it
And that’s the only way they would complete that deal I suspect.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
As for the guy who wrote this post...
Is this a factual post or just a long rant/flame against people that don’t agree with your opinion. Kings fans aren’t allowed to criticize Petrie now? I’ve been a Kings fan for 15 years.
Nice catch CloudyEyes
Gm’s are mostly remembered for who they draft and who they trade for but just as importantly as who they get rid of. My son hated to see Bibby go (I didn’t) and I know we didn’t get much for him but can you imagine where we would be right now if his contract was still on the books.
I thought he should have gotten more credit for moving Webber’s contract as well. I didn’t think GP were paying too much for for Webber when he gave him a max contract in 2001. In retrospect he overpaid but at the time, no.
GP has taken a lot of licks for K9 but as pookeyguru mentioned (how did you come up with that?) but his drop off was steep and unexpected. Even if his contact was too high and too long GP probably thought that he would have been getting contibutions off the bench the past season and the coming season.
A team is never going to get equal value for an overpaid player except for maybe one with an expiring contract at the trade deadline. How much value do you think do you think Chicago is going to get for Hinrich?
Petrie has forgotten more about basketball then I ever knew. Our situation is totally different then Portland’s. It’s too early to tell what kind of player Jason Thompson is going to be. Shoot, it’s still too early to determine what kind of player Douby is going to be (though I have my doubts.)
The Kings got rid of Musselmen when they had to. In almost all areas, GP has made more good decisions then bad throughout his career and until he shows us without a doubt that he’s lost it I’m still glad that’s he’s running the Kings.
Now, having said that I can’t say that I understand why they drafted Ewing Jr. but with a late second pick I’m not sure that it matters.
Thanks for the post
I agree that Petrie is and has been a pretty good GM to have, but the direction he’s taking this team is a bit shaky in my eyes. With the signings of Salmons and Moore, he seems to aim at releasing cap around the 09-10 season. Maybe that’s when Petrie will make his move to sign a big name.
The Webber trade was fantastic and I did believe we got equal value for that trade, when Petrie made it happen. Remember, Thorpe was a 15/10 guy when the Rockets won their championship and eventually became a solid player off the bench for the Kings, while Richmond was one of the best shooting guards in the league. Webber was the cornerstone of the Kings and he fit so well with all the pieces Petrie surrounded him with. Right after Webber’s career started going downhill, due to his knees, the Kings went down with him.
Right now the Kings are in a transitional period where they’re getting rid of all that old baggage and all of those pieces that no longer fit anymore. It’s sort of like a jigsaw puzzle where everything needs to fit correctly in order for it to be solved.
I see Petrie gathering up pieces to the next puzzle, but the biggest piece, that cornerstone isn’t there. I believe the only person on this team with the potential to be a superstar is Martin, but I just can’t see the team being built around him, since he’s not outspoken and he’s not a natural leader for the team. What I see now is the future Peja in Martin, I see maybe a future Doug Christie in Garcia, maybe even a Bobby Jackson in Salmons, a future Vlade/Miller in Hawes, but we don’t have that Webber or what Bibby used to be…the keys to the whole team.
Who’s to say that Thompson won’t turn into that Webber? Though, he has a LONG way to go if he is. Hiring an aged, career-bench warmer in Moore, though, is not the answer. Hiring a bunch of players from the summer league to minimum contracts to see if they’ll fill in holes is not the answer. I hope in 2010 that Petrie will sign that star player our team desperately needs, but as for now, I see a bunch of pieces for a potentially good team running around without a head, with the gaps being filled with filler to coast until 2010. Maybe my patience is a bit thin after a few losing seasons.
Moves and CloudyEyes
That jigsaw puzzle takes a while to put together. In the meantime, you do have to keep a team winning as best you can or you ferment a Culture Of Losing. MM is a good guy, a team guy, a guy who can make people/fans happy they have him on thier team.
(I also happen to think he’s real trade bait right now – one of our most tradable assets)
You’re right though, he’s looking for that cornerstone piece and it just hasn’t become available/developed yet. When it does he’ll have some very nice complimentary pieces in Martin, Garcia, Hawes (and I hope – though many don’t agree – a still young Artest) and thompson.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Development
Good point. You also have to make sure that your developing players don’t stagnate playing on a terrible team. Moore isn’t the solution, but would Martin have progressed as much as he did with K9 as the starting 4? I honestly don’t know, but it’s worth thinking about.
I believe that now is the time to start the youth movement in full. There’s enough decent players on this squad as to not be detrimental to development, even if that means bringing in a Veteran Minimum PG to maintain a decent flow and distribute the rock. It’s time to trade Artest & Moore, and if you want to have Miller tutor the bigs then hold him until the deadline unless a great opportunity arises before then.
Webber Trade
I believe that Bluejohn was referencing the other Webber trade (with Philly). I don’t think anyone has a problem with the trade bringing him to Sacramento from Washington.
A few things
First, I’m not sure whether this post was directed at me or not, but I assume that it was since I made the “Fire Petrie?” (notice the question mark) post. As I said in that post, I don’t advocate firing Petrie at this point, and I have yet to see anyone else do so either. So I think that it is a bit much to start throwing out accusations against people who, as far I am aware, don’t exist.
Further, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to accuse any Kings fan of being a bandwagon fan—those people, if they existed, have been gone for a couple of years now. The people who are following the Kings now are the dedicated fans who are sticking with the team through the turmoil of a rebuilding process.
Forgot to add
When people question Petrie, they never question his ability to find talent. If it were any other GM, I’d probably be furious over the Thompson selection, but because I know Petrie was behind the selection my attitude is one of guarded optimism.
I haven't read the post yet
but best name EVER. And I can only hope the Kings can pick up Duane Causewell Jr. to pair the son of one great center along with the son of another.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 7:25 AM PDT reply actions
Wow
Just read the post and as I have been openly questioning Petrie’s latest moves I guess I am a bandwagon fan. Agree with Section’s first comment, I would say if anything I’m a bandwagon post reader as I loved this post before reading it, ha.
Anyway, good recap of the recent draft picks. And CloudyEyes thanks for posting that list of transactions, I totally forgot that Orien Green was our starting point guard 8-9 months ago!
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 7:35 AM PDT reply actions
ok that was a little harsh
Apologies for my quasi-demeaning post. Dmj made a good point that anyone patrolling this site shouldn’t have their fandom questioned. Any person claiming Kings loyalty is no stranger to ridicule and heartbreak. My snapping was more than anything a knee-jerk reaction to every corner of the basketball universe condemning Jason Thompson an unworthy pick. Sure Petrie could take some more chances but you GOTTA trust the guy in his draft picks.
I think without question the two biggest setbacks of the current Kings team are
1. the hiring of Eric Musselman (by the Maloofs)
2. the nixing the trade of Bibby for Farmar, Radmanovic, Brown (by the Maloofs)
Overall they’re great owners but really shouldn’t mess with GP on the big decisions. If we had Farmar right now we’d have a PG with more upside than Beno (right?) and not tying up serious $$$.
Anyways I’d like to see them still make a stab at Livingston. I’m a sucker for his talent. He was certainly lacking on the mental side before his injury but you have to account for his age and that he was playing on a veteran Clippers team that didn’t have the patience for his growing pains. At the very least he’ll give Singletary good comp for the backup PG role.
by Duane Causwell JR on Jul 1, 2008 10:05 PM PDT reply actions
Vet Minimum?
With the Kings being over the Salary Cap and Beno signing for the full MLE, I don’t know if they can even offer Livingston a contract, unless he can sign for the Veteran’s Exception or something.
Hopefully someone who knows more about this than I could weigh in.
Basically you got it
That’s all they can offer at this point, but with 13 spots before Singletary and Ewing Jr, it’s low that they would bother doing so before offering Singletary a spot on the roster for next season. Then again it’s possible. Who knows, but I think the largest possibility is Livingston playing for the Clips because they will need a backup PG, that is other than Brevin Knight.
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