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Wearing Floaties In The Shallow End Of The Free Agent Pool

I was thinking about the Beno Udrih situation yeserday and it struck me - never has so much been made over a potential MLE signing. And that's justified, given the fact that Sean Singletary is our most experienced PG (once he signs) because he has been in the Kings' practice facility once. Nevertheless, it is ridiculous unfortunate a testament to where we are right now in the rebuilding process that we have to go bargain shopping for a short term solution for perhaps the most important position on the floor.

When I peruse the list of unrestricted free agents, my loins do not exactly well up in excitement (visualize, everybody!). It is a veritable "who's not who" of NBA journeymen. But I think that is where our next floor leader may come from, as we do not want to overpay by bidding on a restricted free agent. For example, I like a guy like Louis Williams from Philly, but they have already tendered him a qualifying offer. My fear is that the only offer that won't be matched by the 76ers would be one that is far too expensive. I would prefer seeing Garcia and Singletary at the point this year than paying too much money for a guy. And point guards are at a premium this year, so expect the best of the free agent bunch to get overpaid.

Also, for our purposes here let's figure that we are not going to be trading for guys like Felton, Lowry or Hinrich. Not that it won't happen, just that it most likely won't happen.

OK, let's take the lids off of these buffet entrees and see what we have to choose from:

  • Darrell Armstrong
  • Carlos Arroyo
  • Earl Boykins
  • Anthony Carter
  • Dan Dickau
  • Keyon Dooling
  • Chris Duhon
  • Eddie House
  • Lindsey Hunter
  • Anthony Johnson
  • Shaun Livingston
  • Tyronn Lue
  • Jannero Pargo
  • Sebastian Telfair
  • Beno Udrih
  • Jason Williams

Mmm, mmm. Who's hungry?

Now, let's systematically eliminate some of these guys and really get down to brass tacks. Armstrong is 40, Boykins is 5-5 and thinks he's worth more money than he really is, Dickau only scores points against us, Dooling and House both average 4 assists per 40 minutes, Hunter is 37, and Telfair is smaller than the gun he packs.

So, we're down to Arroyo, Carter, Duhon, Johnson, Livingston, Lue, Pargo, Udrih and Williams.

My bet is that someone is going to offer Beno a five year MLE and we won't. I also think that someone (Clippers or Knicks) will offer Duhon more money than we would want to pay him. New Orleans will resign Pargo (that's part of the reason that they sold their #27 draft pick).

At this point I'm also going to eliminate Shaun Livingston. I wouldn't mind taking a $1-2 million flier on Livingston for the next couple of years, but we are talking about signing an opening night point guard. Livingston has 60 career starts under his belt, has not played in over a year, and there is no proof that he can still be an NBA point guard. Had there been any proof the Clippers would have at least tendered him a qualifying offer, as they will need to spend at least that much money securing another PG.

Next to go is Jason Williams. Sorry J-Will, but your inability to play anything even resembling defense will be more than Reggie Theus can handle.

Alrighty then. Our search has been narrowed to four candidates. Wow, this is a lot like "Hell's Kitchen." No one can cook but someone has to win. Let's continue. Our remaining choices are Carlos Arroyo, Anthony Carter, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue.

For what it's worth, Carter and Johnson will both be 34 at the beginning of the season. Johnson knows the Kings system. The Kings waived Lue (he'll be 32) as a favor last year, something that Lue and his agent would hold in high regard should the Kings be interested in signing him as a starter. Arroyo, at age 29 looks like the best overall fit. What I don't know about Arroyo is how he would feel about signing a short term contract with a rebuilding team, nor do I have any idea as to whether or not he would consider going back to Puerto Rico to play. But, because ignorance is bliss (and in my case standard operating procedure), I've made my decision and I'm sticking with him.

Please join me in welcoming your newest Sacramento King and opening night point guard - Carlos Arroyo.

 

 

 

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CHRIS DUHON is a perfec fit!Unselfish pass first point guard with experience and a very good shot.I think that should be the no.1 guy on our list.

by tomikat on Jun 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Duhon

Though everyone in Chicago says he’s nuts. I just think he’ll be too expensive for us (that is, the 5 year MLE). I’m guessing that Udrih and Duhon wind up with the Clippers and Knicks, respectively.

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by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and...

...I hate Dukies. Despite Coach K’s prep for life, he sure doesn’t seem to prepare basketball players for success in the NBA.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clips...

I’d be fine with signing Arroyo, especially if it was only for two years. One other point – the Clips won’t sign both Beno and Duhon. If they steal Beno, that potentially leaves Duhon for the Kings.

I’d take Arroyo over Duhon because Duhon’s career shooting percentages are horrific. I don’t want to overemphasize shooting in a point guard, but the guy should be able to knock down an open shot. Duhon would be fine as a defensive specialist playing short minutes, but I don’t think you should ever sign a guy to play major minutes who struggles to shoot 40% over the course of a season.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't implying

that Udrih and Duhon would both wind up with the Clips. I think that if Udrih winds up in LA, then Duhon goes to the KInicks, and we’re left bidding against Miami for Arroyo.

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by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

I understood – I just wanted to emphasize that there are only a certain number of teams in the middling point guard free agent market. I also think a trade is fairly likely.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This set up is kind of awkward

Hard to tell sometimes who’s replying to whom – but just to clarify – I agree that Duhon has been way overhyped here recently for someone with such a horrific shooting percentage and mediocre peripherals. I’d take Arroya over Duhon any day.

by thelettere on Jun 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arroyo vs. Beno

One more point – Arroyo’s numbers in one season as a full time starter are pretty similar to Beno’s numbers last season.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big fan of Arroyo...

and wouldn’t be bothered by replacing the two. If anything I think Arroyo looks to pass more than Beno which is a better fit for this offense.

by moproblemz on Jun 30, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not the biggest Arroyo fan, because he doesn’t fit either of my hopes: a defensive stalwart, or a good distributor. But he’s probably the best available at our hoped price. And he seems like a Petrie type (not ball-dominant, good scorer, shaved head).

by Ziller on Jun 30, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’m not saying he’s good. I’d frankly much rather have Beno, who’s younger, bigger and a better shooter. But our choices are Beno for five years or Arroyo for two, I take Arroyo.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

You give a good sales pitch, but let’s talk turkey (mmm, turkey). How much are you paying him and for how long?

For the record I’d be happy ending up with (in no particular order) Arroyo, Duhan, Beno, or Williams . . . and I could live with Johnson/Carter/Lue for the minimum if that’s the only other option, although I wouldn’t want any of them for more than a year or 2 (team option?).

by smgmatt on Jun 30, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on Arroyo

I live in Utah and watched him play some. He’s kind of a poor-man’s Mike Bibby.

I’d still rather sign Beno, even if we have to offer him the full five years.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll only want the shorter contract (prove himself now for a bigger payoff later) and be loyal to Sacramento because we gave him a chance last season after two teams dumped him in rapid succession.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 30, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade for Kyle Lowry!That dude is super tough!

by tomikat on Jun 30, 2008 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We're not

going to get our guy through free agency. As your post shows, the market is just terrible right now.

We also can’t afford any of the better PGs who are on the block right now, like Heinrich or Felton. This leaves us with one option as far as I can see: a cheap, unheralded, young PG.

The only names I can think of off the top of my head are Marcus Williams and Ramon Sessions. A lot of us wanted Williams a few years ago, and while he hasn’t exactly lived up to expectations, he is still young and hasn’t been able to get consistent playing time yet. He should also come cheap since the Nets have Harris pegged as their future starting PG.

Sessions is completely under the radar, but he put up some great numbers towards the end of last season, averaging 7.5 assists to 2.1 turnovers per game. Those numbers were put up in about 20 games at the tail end of the season, but they are impressive nevertheless.

So I’d really prefer us going after one of these guys, rather than wasting the MLE on a stop-gap type of player who probably won’t develop further. If we lose some games because of it, oh well, at least it will get us a better draft pick.

by dmj on Jun 30, 2008 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Nets fan in Jersey

I’ll say from first hand experience – AVOID Williams. Net’s GM Thorn is up there with Petrie in smarts, and there is a reason he drafted yet another point guard this year, despite having both Harris and Williams on the team.

Williams will never be anything more than a career backup, and my gut feeling is he will be out of the league soon. He plays lazy, has no defense, constantly takes inadvisable shots, and never passes.

Face it: a cornerstone point guard is not going to appear magically out of thin air, a frog like Williams is not going to turn into prince Jordan. Unless Petrie pulls something out of his ass, we’re going to have to take a band-aid, and then either draft or use the money we’ve saved to get a real point guard with demonstrable numbers and proven talent.

by thelettere on Jun 30, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

you’ll have to craft the deal, as someone noted in the fanposts that Petrie just isn’t quick enough on the trigger.

The question is what do we have that one of those teams would want, and what would we have to take back in trade? New Jersey is trying to clear cap space for 2010 just like us, so it basically becomes a player for player deal with them. Williams is still their #2 PG behind Devin Harris. He’s making $1.3 million this year. I doubt that they would take Quincy Douby in trade for him.

Sessions is scheduled to make $700K this year and is presently their #2 PG. The Bucks most pressing need is toughness up front (sound familiar). I can’t come up with a deal that works here, but then again I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

We can wish all day, and maybe we should, because the reality is kind of scary.

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by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was big on Carter

As the best of the worst until I noticed his .458 FG% last year was a blip – he’s a career .399 FG% player.

If for some reason Arroya is not available, of the other 3 I’d still prefer Carter as he has the best defensive numbers.

by thelettere on Jun 30, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Duhon is my choice

Chris Duhon can still have big games. He definitely needed a change in scenario and last year’s coaching change and terrible chemistry on the Bulls roster made it tough for Chris.

Duhon is still young and could even possibly a back-up as part of our youth movement in the future. I would be very happy with Duhon assuming no trades are made.

Here’s one of Chris’ best game of the season:

http://www.nba.com/games/20080207/CHIGSW/boxscore.html

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about Telfair?Isnt it time he lived up to his potential.Wherever he ends up this should be his make or break year!Dejuan Wagner is only 25,too bad he’s not a point guard and is a head case!Him and JT worked out together in NJ.

by tomikat on Jun 30, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

None of the Above

I’l take the Garcia/Singletary tandem at the point over any free agent within our reach. Garcia’s has shown skill at the point and would have no fiscal impact on payroll. Free agency isn’t the answer this year. If anything happens it should be through a trade.

by Flood Zone on Jun 30, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

on that note...

does anyone have any information regarding games in which garcia played the point? i know he handled PG duties a bit last year, but i honestly cannot remember exactly how he performed.

by sactoreg on Jun 30, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All over the place

Great games, bad games at pt. But the feeling I got – regardless of the numbers – was that toward the end of the year he was actually just getting the feel for the position. He’s not a PG, but . . . he’s a Barry Bro.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know,i know, find that Raul Lopez that played for the Jazz a few years ago,he was looking like Jose Calderon for awhile until Deron showed up.Where is he?Hes still young and could be another Beno,a guy who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove he belongs.Petrie should get him!haha J/k

by tomikat on Jun 30, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget the Free Agents

I’d say Rodriguez from Portland is the answer.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 30, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

is it bad

that i’d rather see Cisco run point than any of these guys if we can’t resign beno?

by kingsTV on Jun 30, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to Put Together a Rodriguez Trade

Rodriguez only played eight minutes a game last year after playing 12 minutes a game as a rookie, but I still liked what I saw int he limited stretches.

Unfortunately I don’t really see a trade adding up for Rodriguez because he makes so little ($817k). Even Douby for him doesn’t work. This 1726275027543025&teams=2222232323&te=&cash=” >bloated trade brings Frye, Rodriguez and Diogu from the Blazers to the Kings for Salmons and Douby, but that would just add some dead bigs to our roster. Maybe there is a three-team trade that would work.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 30, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring Dickau’s career full circle, back to the team that drafted him and then shipped him off to the hellhole that was the Atlanta Hawks.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 30, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO REACHING

As I said on a different thread – don’t reach for a PG.

If there’s not an answer out there, get hte best, cheapest bandaid you can and see if the Virginia kid can play at this level.

Once again, i’m fine (even good) with Beno at a reasonable price but wouldn’t go past three years except with team options. Duhon and Arroyo are good options as well and if we could get either one for an inexpensive (2-3mil), short term (2yr + opt) deal to see how things work out – great again.

BUT DON’T REACH and get us stuck.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tinsley anyone?

Looks like Indiana might buyout Jamal Tinsley after their recent pickups. Any thoughts on if he would merit any interest considering his play and rap sheet. Considering the options, if Beno signs elsewhere I pickup Anthony Johnson for another year as a backup and give the ball to Cisco. I think if Cisco comes into camp knowing that we will play big minutes and that his primary job would be to distribute the ball and play D I think he would rise to the challenge and provide as much as any of the free agents out there.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabara on Jun 30, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

Not based on Larry Bird’s comments.

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by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

About 4 hours til we know for sure about Artest

If he doesn’t opt out, I figure we’ll get a PG as part of a trade.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 30, 2008 2:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tinsley (chupacabara)

You guys complain about Artest’s occasional crazyness – that guy IS crazy! (he’ll do time someday)

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he's a restricted FA, but...

i wouldn’t mind picking up chris quinn out of miami. he put up decent numbers towards the end of last season…he seemed to play hard even though the season was already down the tubes.

if miami decides to re-sign j-will, they would have chalmers as a backup (as well as marcus banks), and might not match an offer to quinn.

if miami lets j-will walk, they still could have marcus banks probably starting, as well as chalmers waiting in the wings…so they still might not match an offer to quinn.

wade would be there to handle the ball and create for the team as well, which further leads me to believe miami might not place such a premium on PGs. best of all, quinn is a young PG we could get on the cheap (especially in comparison to what it might take to re-sign udrih), and we could evaluate him as either a stopgap or potential future PG.

by sactoreg on Jun 30, 2008 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The whole...

....preparing for 2010 summer issue needs to be put into perspective. Every team is preparing for that summer. EVERY team. We are not unique in that.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but

The Kings are in a unique position to exploit that year in that they have some very big contracts expiring in 2010. Making the wrong move now could screw up the possibilities then.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course...

....but most other teams are set to have huge available cash space. The Cavs, as of now, have a 2010 number of 0. That’s right, 0. He is going to be set for a little over $17m according to his Birds Rights number. If he attempts to leave the Cavs, does anyone think he wouldn’t be like a moth to a flame and try to go get marketing possibilites in places like LAL, NY, NYJ or stay at home and be an Ohio God. Other places are in a similar spot and it seems that SAC will be fairly far down the list of desireable destinations.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The FA class of 2010 is more than just LeBron

It is talked about so much because there a lot of really high profile guys who will be on the market.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 30, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was...

....just using Lebron as an example. There was no thought in my mind that he would be available to SAC. I was just trying to portray how hard it will be to get FAs that offseason for a market like Sacs and we shouldn’t think that all of the FAs will ACTUALLY be available to a simple small market team like us.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel ...

...like we are Nottingham trying to get Man U or Chelsea talent. At least we can’t be relegated to the D-League.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eggs in a basket..

Yes you are correct. The Kings are placing quite a few eggs in that basket as are most of teams in the league. It will be mayhem and cap space carnage during the signing period unlike we have ever seen. If we lose out on the big prizes that year than I guess Petrie keeps methodically plugging away at the draft while hoping some one employs Wes Unseld in their front office in the meantime…

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabara on Jun 30, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any..

...undrafted free agent PGs of any interest to anyone? Even just to give a decent burn this summer/preseason?

With this list, I would almost certainly rather go with Garcia, Singletary at PG and save some $$.

by Red Reign on Jun 30, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade for PG?

We should target Hinrich, Felton, or Ridnour. Each has had his role diminish after a disappointing season. And the Bulls, Bobcats, and Sonics each got a PG in the draft. I would be really happy with any of these fellas running the point going forward. They are pretty young too.

by DustyG on Jun 30, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Hinrich is out, in my opinion, as he’s signed for around $37mil through 2012 (and possibly longer, I only looked 4 years out.

by cabz on Jun 30, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vote for Telfair

Telfair had moments last year with the Twolves, and he is a true PG. Out of this group I think he’s the first one I’d consider, regardless of the off the court risk.

by deepnu666 on Jun 30, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He can’t shoot, can’t score, and can’t play defense. I’m not seeing the upside, other than “young” and “cheap.”

by Ziller on Jun 30, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although this is probably considered treason...

how ‘bout trying to land a guy like Farmar? If Artest opts-in, the Lakers are in desperate need of a guy like Artest to bring some toughness/defense to their team, and to make it more palatable for Kings fans…

Artest and trash (K9 anyone?) for Farmar/Odom (who expires after this season)?

by cabz on Jun 30, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

man

that is WAY too good to be possible.

by beevenator on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How so?

The Lakers could definitely use Artest, who may be crazier, but also seems to be a much better fit for them. Odom is an expirer that frustrated the hell out of the fan base, and likely their front office, during their playoff run (mostly because of his lack of heart/consistency). Farmar is a late first-round pick who has only shown glimpses of talent, so I’m not sure they’d be unwilling to move him with Fisher starting at PG.

I don’t think it’s all that far-fetched personnel-wise, but I’m not sure LA and the Kings are willing to bargain with each other.

by cabz on Jun 30, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think

the Lakers would give up their homegrown, fan favorite point guard of the future for Mystery Man Ron Artest. Of course I could be wrong, but it would seem a weird strategy, given that the Lakers’ window of contention is open so wide for so many years, for them to put it all down on this year by giving up Farmar in an Artest deal. Fisher is 34; he can’t have more than a couple years left in him at a starter-on-a-championsip-team level.

Also, there’s no way anyone will take on Kenny Thomas under any circumstances.

by beevenator on Jun 30, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I agree that it isn’t the most likely of scenarios, but I’m not sure I agree with your reasoning.

For one, I’m not sure the Lakers window is actually open for that many years. Kobe is going to turn 30 before the season starts and he has the equivalent of 14 NBA season on his legs (12 regular seasons and 2 seasons worth of playoff games). I think it’s at least possible that the Lakers only have 2-3 years left of Kobe in his prime. If that’s the case, are you going to let a ‘hometown hero’ stand in your way of adding a piece to the puzzle that you need?

I think it’s fair to say that Artest almost certainly brings a lot more to the table in the next 2-3 years than Farmar. Farmar and Odom? I was just assuming they weren’t going to resign Odom anyhow if they got Artest, which means he’s expendable, but I’d do the deal with Farmar and expiring-in-the-next-year-or-two filler (perhaps get a pick from the Lakers as well). And yes, as an outsider, I think Artest as a replacement for Odom could potentially net LA a title or two.

by cabz on Jun 30, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of holes

First, if the Lakers deal Odom for Artest/K9-filler, then I doubt that they would include anything else better than, say, a 2nd Round Pick. Taking K9’s contract would be the extra that they’re including.

Second, GP will not trade Artest to the Lakers for Farmar & filler, nor would the Maloofs likely let him.

Third, since the Lakers are contending again this season, they can’t leave a hole in their roster as big as “no backup PG for our 34-year-old starter”. That’s probably just not happening.

Finally, it’ll be interesting to see what the Lakers will do, because (a) they were this close to a title last season, and (b) they fleeced Memphis in getting Gasol, so they very well could have a skewed perception of what they could get for Odom (or give up for Artest).

by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Artest/K9 for Odom works straight up as a trade

IN case you were wondering.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Which is one of the reasons why I don’t see the Lakers adding Farmar to the deal.

by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the record

the most exciting and petrie-ish move, for my money, is shaun livingston. take a flyer on him. worstcase? he never plays, goes under the knife again on your dime, you eat a few mil. bestcase? he’s the same shaun freaking livingston that once upon a time had magical court-vision powers and we’ve got a truly thrilling addition to the skeleton army.

if nothing else it gives us something to tantalize our brains as we wait for the rebuilding jell-o to congeal. no?

by beevenator on Jun 30, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And...

he’s still built like a freakishly tall 12 year-old girl, ready to breakdown in another freak accident.

Given the Kings injury luck (especially during the Webber/Peja/B.Jax/etc. days), I think it’s almost a given that he’d play at an all-star level for about 20 games one year to tease us, only to break down again.

by cabz on Jun 30, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

still

seems worth the risk to me. 20 games of All-Star Shaun Livingston, or 82 games of Suicide-Inducing Anthony Johnson? We’re not making the playoffs either way is all I’m saying. I say play a little roulette.

by beevenator on Jun 30, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

after reading this post my first impression was to take a chance on livingston. why not? you give him a one year deal and if it doesn’t work out it doesnt. There is no future investment in the kid and you can look for a PG for the future next year. Basically anyone who signs isn’t a long term option so petrie really has nothing to lose by taking a chance. We had the same problem last year and if you remember Orien Greene started the season at PG. So who cares take a high risk injury player.

by 916baller on Jun 30, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ronnie price

wouldn’t it be nice to have price right about now… better than most of the slugs on the market

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 30, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Brand opying out

Might sound unrelated at first but ESPN just reported Elton Brand is opting out of his contract with the Clippers. His agent is saying that he is probably not signing with them if they don’t get some good players via free agency and show him they are committed to winning. With Maggette already out this means the Clippers are not going anywhere anytime soon. Hope Beno realizes that and doesn’t take the midlevel offer he would probably get from them and opts to take a more modest offer in Sac, with a better team. Maybe a 3 year deal with team option in ‘10 and prove he’s the point guard the Kings need and that he is worth more money later down the road.

by eduardo_m7 on Jun 30, 2008 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The situation in L.A. certainly matters w/r/t Beno. But remember that teams like Miami and N.Y. need point guards, too.

by Ziller on Jun 30, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beno could work pretty well in Miami alongside Wade next year

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron Davis opted out of Golden State

and the net is abuzz with rumors of him to the Clips which would eliminate one buyer for Beno. The price of poker just went up for point guards. At this time I still think our best option is 5 years 32 mil for Beno if the Kings already haven’t offered him that. There is no one on the list who I would like to see come here. If we trade for or draft another pg I believe he’s still a tradeable contract unless he plays horribly or breaks down. On the other hand, we were shopping for a pg when GP scooped up Beno off the waiver wire.

by Bluejohn on Jun 30, 2008 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

That would eliminate the Clips, but it would add the Warriors. Zero sum game.

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by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta Ellis

The difference is that the Clippers would be in the market for a starting PG, while the Warriors would be looking for a backup PG.

Beno wants to start, so it’s not quite zero sum.

by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite an assumption

that Ellis will start at PG. He had 72 starts at shooting guard last year. Regardless, the Warriors are going to need somebody to replace Davis’ 82 starts.

Zero-sum-game.

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Davis was already under contract so they had to get Ellis playing time somewhere. Ellis is now up for his payday, which is why I don’t see the Warriors re-signing Davis. I’d bet that they would have loved having him for one more year, but I see them going after Brand/Arenas with their new found “Davis” cap space.

If they get Brand, Ellis will play point. If they get Arenas, Ellis might not be in the plans at SG for that kind of money, but maybe he still will. (SIDE NOTE: This would be a great opportunity for Sacramento with an Artest-based package, btw – going after either Wright or Ellis if the Warriors bring in a big-time FA).

When talking about Beno, I don’t see him taking time away from Ellis, so then the question of where to play Ellis becomes, “Is Beno a better PG than their best SG option?” It’s only zero-sum if the requirements are the same, which I do not think they are. If nothing else, will Beno perceive that Ellis will play at the point? If so, he may walk away anyway, as he’s stated that he wants to start.

by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only guys who stoke my eyre

are Arroyo, Dooling and Livingston. I would be more than willing to take a cheap 2 year flier on any of those 3 guys (especially Livingston).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2008 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Livingston

If Livingston is going to take a cheap 2-year deal, I just get the feeling that he’d stay in LA where he already lives. The Clippers let him go, but I’m pretty sure they’d take a low-risk flier on him as a backup (for a much lower salary), just in case he does make a comeback.

by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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