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Start the Ron-Ron Derby

So Baron Davis leaves $17 million on the table. Elton Brand leaves $16 million on the table. Ernie Grunfeld gives a 32-year-old forward $50 million for four years.

And Ron Artest has the self-control to decline a chance on the open market in favor of a $7.4 million salary on a 38-win team?

Amazing world we live in.

Between tonight and the moment Ron-Ron gets traded, we'll see 2,000,000,000,000 (with a 't') rumors or trade ideas. Hell, we'll start some of them. It will be painful, it will test your will. But it is unavoidable.

Until that day, I'm cool with Ron-Ron. He's a helluva player, and few are more fun to watch or read about. Ulcers, yeah. Frustration, yeah. But I'm cool with Ron-Ron, and I'm glad he's a King tonight.

<<Group hug>>

 

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Only if we can get a pick with him

Early third round is fine. In fact late third round is good too. But not fourth.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jun 30, 2008 9:27 PM PDT   0 recs

FA Scenario

The Warriors just saw Davis opt out and Biedrins and Ellis are RFA (though they have a cap hold) . Why can’t the Warriors use the money that came off the books and sign let say Elton Brand to a deal that covers their cap space and then since GS holds Baron’s bird rights just sign Baron to a new contract. I don’t understand if GS held Davis’ bird rights, why don’t they just sign Elton Brand first then bring Davis back later considering the Warriors can go over the cap to re-sign their free agents anyways because they have Davis’ bird rights.

Why does Chad Ford keep saying you gotta let Davis walk if you want to sign Brand. Why not sign Elton first then sign Davis?

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2008 9:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Because you’d have to renounce your Bird rights for Davis to clear the “cap hold” his potential salary has locked up so that you can sign Brand. Once you do that, you can’t go over the cap to sign Davis.

It’s an either-or proposition for GSW with Brand and Davis. They might be best off trying to land Brand and extending Biedrins and Ellis.

by Ziller on Jun 30, 2008 9:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't discount the possibility of Davis for Brand.

Baron is a LA native- the Clippers need a point and Brand would be a great fit for the power starved W’s. Sign and trades would allow for both Baron and Elton to get the cash and length they want. Baron is an idiot, the Warriors situation is by far the best situation for his talents. If he doesn’t re-sign look for him to lose major $$$ on the open market.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2008 10:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Dubs go after Brand

do they really need Wright?

Just sayin…

by vfettke on Jul 1, 2008 6:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny!

I only vote in elections that make sense – like Democratic primaries – and then I vote for the woman.

I am thrilled that Ron is staying! Hopefully Petrie can work something out with him for a reasonable extension. If not, well, he should have an excellent return on the trade market.

Hey! Maybe Ron can convince his good buddy Elton Brand to sign with us for (uuhm) well, whatever we can scrape up!

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 9:39 PM PDT   0 recs

To be honest, I’m not sure there’s any possibility of a reasonable extension for Artest. What is reasonable to Artest’s agent and what is reasonable to the rest of the world are not compatible.

by Ziller on Jun 30, 2008 9:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What scares me

is if what Joe Maloof said on the radio a few months ago actually comes into fruition. Joe seemed to suggest that the team would be far more open to the idea to a bigger contract extension with Ron if he didn’t opt out for this up coming season. That statement alone made me nauteous, but then again I’m paranoid too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2008 10:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just because you're paranoid

Doesn’t mean the Maloofs aren’t stupid.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what scares me LPA

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Beno

Beno has been offered the full MLE for 5 years from the Kings. Beno will now ponder that offer, according to Amick’s blog.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2008 9:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Petrie has no choice but to do this.

It sucks but the Kings need some sort of cohesion. I think that Beno can be a adequate starter this and next year while the Kings can draft the point of the future in next years star studded draft. Lets hope he inks it and we don’t have to worry about Anthony Johnson, Lue or some other third tier point running the show. If he signs look for the Kings to be big players in the trade market. I look for a trade involving Artest and Salmons for an upgrade at the 3 or Ron and Mikki for an upgrade at the 4. Don’t forget we have 5 million in expiring filler between Douby and Sheldon Williams.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Upgrade at 3?

Whatever you think of Ron – there aren’t any SF upgrades sitting out there waiting to be signed.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2008 4:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say sign, I said trade.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 1, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just saw that too

regarding the Beno offer. Uhhh, I’m starting to think Petrie reads sactown royalty and then just does the exact opposite of what everybody assumes. I like Beno, and I think he could grow into a much better player than he is now. Of course, I have only seen him play live or on tv 2-4 times, so my opinion shouldn’t really matter here.
But, no matter what my opinion, would it have hurt to just wait it out and see what others offer? That is an honest question not a rhetorical one. Would it have hurt his feelings if we weren’t the first to offer? Possibly, I’m not sure.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree but...

By receiving an offer right at 9pm PT and before every other teams show how much the organzation wants you to be part of it. It’s more of a sign of appreciation. I guess GP really wants Beno to sign…

by eduardo_m7 on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It just seems that

by waiting we could have possibly cut a year or two off the end of that offer. Appreciating a player is all well and good, but I think that all of them realize its a business and however it turns out is just the way it goes.
And thanks for the vote of confidence. I will be seeing more olympic basketball games this year (4) live than NBA games I have seen in the past 3 years. I’ll make sure to have an opinion on that.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 10:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Add the Warriors

to the teams suddenly (possibly) looking for a point guard.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 30, 2008 10:09 PM PDT   0 recs

OK

So Petrie makes the offer, meaning that anyone else that wants Udrih is going to have to go beyond the 5 year MLE. That would mean that the Warriors and Clippers will probably have to spend over and above to fill their needs at PG. If Davis winds up with the Dubs or the Clips, the other team will either need to spend on Udrih, or try to convince Chris Duhon that their MLE smells better than NY’s or Miami’s MLE.

I’m not a big fan of the five years, but maybe it’s not a bad move considering the circumstances.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 30, 2008 10:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Not so fast...

Just because the Kings have extended the offer, it doesn’t necessarily mean that a) Beno is going to go to the highest bidder or b) that Beno has any interest in remaining a player under the Reggie Theus “Open Mouth Policy”. We all hope that since the Kings have given Beno the opportunity to become a starting NBA point guard, he will choose to stay but I’m not sure that his experience has been all fun and games.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, no

If the Kings made a five year offer, I hope Beno goes elsewhere. The team is overpaying. I’d rather take a chance on a point guard in the draft, free agent market or via trade in the next year.

by Carl on Jun 30, 2008 11:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like to watch basketball...

not 82 games of a cluster f*#k. A starting point guard is actually necessary to play basketball. If the Kings don’t have Beno or point of his quality, they are going to lose 60 games this year and a whole lot of fans. I don’t like dropping the 5 year contract on him but I don’t think there are other options on the market.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

x3

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, please

I wouldn’t mind losing 60 games at all. That means I get to see Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson play heavy minutes. It means that we might finally get to see what Shelden Williams and Qunicy Douby can (or can’t) do. It means that we may get a choice between Ricky Rubio and Brando Jennings. In the short term, I’m much more interested in watching a team of young guys play their hearts out trying to build a winner than a bunch of mediocre veterans who will never get better be mediocre all season.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Die hard fans will stick around but...

In this economy, they are not the ones keeping the team in Sacramento. The Kings need to stay competitive in order to keep corporate sponsorship, losing 60 games so you can see how bad Quincy Douby and Sheldon Williams actually are at the expense of wins doesn’t make sense. Williams has the worse footwork I have ever seen in an NBA player and QD has done nothing to earn a single minute of playing time. Under your proposal, we not only get to see bad hoops but our coach and GM will lose their jobs and we risk losing the Kings to another city when the corporate fan base refuses to pay for a bad product.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 1, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Maloof's can't afford to take this financial hit

Than they should stop being owners.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bonzi?

I also think this is a smart move on Petrie’s part because with the offer he will address the biggest free agent we have and its a glaring need to be filled if we dont sign him. But offering the midlevel now and having Beno refuse it and test the waters, will probably backfire just like Bonzi. Then Petrie will probably bring in some other vet, Duhon, Arroyo, or even White Chocolate for the interm. The ball is in Beno’s court so lets see how commited he is to the team.

Lakers suck!

by Doubysmoker on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Stability

There’s a lot to be said for it. We can hem and haw about how much Beno is worth, and whether we can nickle and dime and still keep him. Rather than dick around, Petrie decided to go all in.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 30, 2008 10:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Somebody needs to mark this occasion.

Coolcat and I agree on something.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   2 recs

I recommended it even though that's not really the purpose of a "rec" - How about that?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

I guess a confetti cannon was too much to expect.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

Crazy how the player’s market is now going crazy (considering it was suppose to be fairly quiet)

by eduardo_m7 on Jun 30, 2008 10:12 PM PDT   0 recs

I Am Glad

Petrie is trying to put the best product on the floor that he can given the restrictions he’s working with. I want to hurl every time someone in here says we should tank.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 30, 2008 10:14 PM PDT   0 recs

We should tank!

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrl!!!!!!

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 30, 2008 10:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you're going to spew,

spew into this V

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re-signing Artest

Ziller, are you saying Kevin is worth $10m and BMiller $11m but Artest isn’t worth something in that range? Thats what I’d offer, plus a bonus mil for this season as a signing incentive.

$7.4m + $1m this yr
$10m 2009
$11m 2010
$11.5m 2011
$12m team option 2012

A nice compromise that leaves the team money to sign others once we unload our bad contracts.
i’m not saying that would be acceptable to Ron and his agent but its fair and it leaves us the room to go for that Championship team Ron wants.

Not exactly poverty either.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2008 10:16 PM PDT   0 recs

I believe his agent said a while back that

Ron was a 14-15mil a year player.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 30, 2008 10:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ron's numbers

are possibly worth that kind of dough. The temper tantrums, chest-beating, missed games, and coach-undercutting are not.

by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2008 6:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And that sir is why

we have so many different ideas on what should be done with Mr. Artest. Some people don’t care about that stuff and others feel that it is very important.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 7:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed.

That’s a large reason why I enjoy this site so much. There are plenty of diverse, dissenting opinions. It’s not just blatant homerism like some of the Raiders sites I frequent.

by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's hope he leaves next year

Well, I don’t really care about Artest. I love him as a player but his lack of respect and loyalty are huge disadvantaged to have him around. Next season he will probably ask for 10+ mil per year and we’ll hopefully let him leave or snd him.

I don’t think it’s “self-control” that made Ron stay with the Kings. It’s just madness, he probably flipped a coin or something.

by ZenBaller on Jun 30, 2008 10:20 PM PDT   0 recs

If we can trade Artest

this offseason for some young guys, and resign Beno (not a fan of the terms of the offer, but the Kings are better with him than without for the immediate future) we will have a more talented, workable roster than I expected. Mesh that with the fact that the team already got to know eachother next year, and we could be alright. And yes, I realize I change my opinions every five minutes.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 30, 2008 10:23 PM PDT   0 recs

This might be the best thing I've seen in a long time from Amick, and maybe ever
Speaking of turnarounds (of the 100-degree sort), I decided I have done a turnaround of my own. With the written word leaving room for interpretation and confusion, it now seems as if the turnaround he wrote of was less directly related to opting out. The point Artest was making, in the end, is that he’s gone from a player so many teams were afraid to touch because of his soiled name to a player whose value is on the serious rise. And he’s right.

Artest will be highly coveted via trade this summer and perhaps this season, because he still plays top-notch defense and can score and has put some distance between himself and all serious controversy. Always unpredictable, but insanely talented too.

God I love the possibility of his trade value rising. (I think that’s probably some hogwash, but Artest is always talented.) That makes me giddy everywhere. The thought of signing Beno to a 5 year deal is not so enticing though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2008 10:54 PM PDT   0 recs

Yes yes please yes

This post made my night. Lets hope other GM’se see it the same way. I was PISSED Artest didnt get moved at the deadline, mostly because I didnt want to get nothing for him. NOw that he didnt opt-out, it may work out for the best. Lets hope his value has gone up. If nothing else, I am sure Denver wishes they could go back in time. Getting swept sucks, and Iverson just got one season older (and more expensive). Good times!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jun 30, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I only agree with this if the Kings get more than what the Nuggets offered

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that the

fact that no western conference team won the NBA finals is HUGE for the Artest sweepstakes (or blue light special). Every team, including the Lakers, will be looking to improve and there will be about 8 teams who think that they just need that one extra piece to put themselves over the top. This wreaks of draft picks and young guys coming back to us.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 1, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I'll believe that when I see it

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Artest-Moore for Brand please!!!!

by ZenBaller on Jun 30, 2008 11:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't vote for the poll as I object to it's very existence

Any team that trades LeBron should be demoted to the D League. (I realize that’s the joke and it’s meant to be funny, but I still object to the poll.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2008 10:55 PM PDT   0 recs

another year of

having a 30 something win team and a late lottery pick. grrrreat.

by cwebb on Jul 1, 2008 3:17 AM PDT   0 recs

maybe this is an unsophisticated position

but I think that Ron’s market value should be much greater than the 8.45 million we will pay him next season. sure he’s crazy, sure he takes some ill-advised shots. but most of us agree that he is insanely talented and, unlike many of the other players in the NBA that could be described that way, he is committed to playing defense and winning games. he is the only member of the starting lineup that could be considered tough and he has indicated his dedication to the Kings. Unless it becomes clear during the course of next season that we won’t be able to extend him for a reasonable amount (10-12 mil per year?), I think that we would be utterly batsh*t Ron-Artest-level crazy to let him walk. remember that we are talking about a league in which the poodle is going to make 8 mil next year just for having been on AI’s team. Ron Artest may be a ticking time bomb, but in my estimation he has shown more evidence that he will use his explosiveness to propel the Kings than to sink them. if GP can make a deal to get something overwhelmingly amazing for Ron, so be it. but until then, I think we should count our blessings to have Ron and not Rashard Lewis at twice his price.

by furious.d on Jul 1, 2008 3:26 AM PDT   0 recs

A Ticking bomb?

Sigh. what exactly is going to blow up? Don’t you Ron Artest hater overexaggerate just a smite too much?

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2008 4:55 AM PDT   0 recs

you're right

i didn’t mean that he’s literally a bomb. i meant that he has a propensity for an unpredictability that can be dangerous. i think that if you read the rest of my (extremely longwinded) post, you would find that i am not a “hater” and would be better identified as a liker.

by furious.d on Jul 1, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

I’ve got a headache already thinking about all the trade possibilities that are going to be thrown out there between now and when Ron’s traded.

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Jul 1, 2008 6:33 AM PDT   0 recs

i'm curious

many here seem to think beno is not worth the full MLE. out of curiousity, what PGs in the league (regardless of whether they are FA right now or not) would be worth the MLE in your opinion?

obviously not looking for responses like “chris paul, deron williams, etc”...but realistic PGs. they’d have to be starter quality, right?

i can’t think of any that i would want on the kings.

by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2008 6:40 AM PDT   0 recs

Worth the MLE, but not for five years

I actually do think Beno is worth the MLE, just not for five years. A two year deal with a team option for the third year would be perfect. I could live with a three year deal. Five years is too much. The free agent market for point guards isn’t great, which Section 214 covered a day or two ago. There are a good number of young point guards out there that might be available in a trade.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the problem

None of the free agent PGs are worth the full MLE, unless Boom Dizzle or Gilbert want to take a price cut. Just because he’s one of the better available point guards, doesn’t mean he should get a 5 year deal

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Jul 1, 2008 6:47 AM PDT   0 recs

i was mostly looking for any PGs, not only free agent PGs. just trying to get a feel for what a MLE point guard might be, in everybody’s opinion.

by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2008 6:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It just makes me smile

to think of all those Knicks and Lakers fans crying right now. They were so sure Artest would opt out and sign with them for the MLE. Now if we can just get the Beno deal done and trade Artest for some valuable pieces, I’ll be happy.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 7:12 AM PDT   0 recs

When?

...is the “optimal” time to trade Ron? I would think before the season begins, he would have the most trade value. Of course, an argument could be made that he would be valuable mid-season, after seeing how teams’ injuries affect their playoff chances, etc.

Thoughts?

by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 AM PDT   0 recs

Now.

The most valuable time is now, before there are any incidents that might scare teams off.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah because he's worked so hard to kiss everybody in Sac's buttocks

This wouldn’t be the worst time to trade him that’s for sure.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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