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Fairly long post in which I somehow argue that Ron Artest is sane

For as long as I can remember, there have been a few undeniable basketball truths. The Kings will always need a rebounding big man. They will also always let a double digit lead shrink down to dangerous levels in the 4th quarter, even if they're playing the Grizzlies. The Jazz have the most ridiculous team name in relation to their city in all of sports. David Stern is pure evil. And Ron Artest is 86 different kinds of crazy. But after listening to Ron at length with Carmichael Dave for the past couple weeks I've come to a shocking conclusion. Ron Artest isn't crazy. Although I may be for thinking so.

Star-divide

I can't remember the moment I decided Ron Artest was crazy. Lots of people point to the brawl but I remember thinking he was insane long before then. So as a refresher I moseyed on over to Ron's Wikipedia page (and even refrained from adding a Peaches reference) to see what might have started the whole "Ron Artest is crazy" train of thought that's universally accepted as fact.

 

A quick scroll down to the "Controversy" section shows that maybe we're a bit too quick to judge a guy who appears to only really be guilty of not wanting to pay full price at Circuit City. (Oh, and that whole breaking the barrier between observer and participant at a game thing) The section lists the aforementioned employee discount attempt, that time he asked for time off because he was tired from his side job of music promoter, showing up to a Pacers practice in a bathrobe, destroying a TV camera, getting into a "confrontation" with Riles (the only "controversial" thing listed I can't immediately remember), all that stuff that happened here in Sac that I shouldn't have to rehash for you guys, and the fact that he likes to change his jersey number.

 

Maybe I'm just weird, but none of that screams "crazy" to me. Some of it screams "overly passionate". Some of it also screams (rather loudly too) "20 year old having fun". But almost all of it screams "We want Ron to be crazy." Let's break it down. (Using all circumstantial evidence since research isn't my forte.)

 

The biggie that most people refer to when putting him in the "definitely crazy" column is the brawl. I never really understood that. I understand that it's crazy when you stop and take a chance to think about all the reasons why he shouldn't have run into the crowd, but then I put myself in Ron's shoes. I'm playing a game and I'm fired up, adrenaline's flowing. I'm engaging in some quality shit talking from the comfort of a nearby table and then some jackass throws a beer at me. I'd have chased after and beaten the crap out of the guy I thought did it too. And that's before I even think about the fact that the guy wasted a whole beer! The brawl doesn't mean he's crazy, it just means he doesn't like drunken assholes throwing an entire cup of Coors at him. Neither do I.

 

The bathrobe and Circuit City thing really shouldn't count towards Ron being crazy because really they're just kind of funny. They also have questionable newsworthiness, yet somehow we still know about them.

 

The whole thing with his constantly changing jersey number isn't really that controversial either. It's his jersey, he can wear whatever number he wants as far as I'm concerned. Hell, have a different number each game. I doubt there's many parents who would be buying their kids the latest Ron Artest jersey in the first place.

 

And then we get to Ron in Sac. I don't fault him for the Socks thing because if memory serves me right (which probably isn't the best reference point) that happened during the season. So is it Ron's fault that the dogs didn't get fed or was it just his fault for picking the wrong people to do so? And as far as the domestic abuse thing, if I remember correctly (and again remember, puff puff pass) he actually came off as the sane person in that argument after his wife tried to tell the authorities that he was stealing her car...that he owned. So she responded as any sane woman (oxymoron, I know) would, by throwing a pot at her own car. Then Ron came back inside and stood right next to her while she completed her phone call. If he was crazy wouldn't he have tried to stop the phone call or something?

 

Neither of those things point to Ron being crazy. They point to a human being that makes mistakes. Just like you and me. (OK, mostly me.) Jim Rome once said that Charles Barkley once said "I'm not your role model, raise your own damn kids." And Chuck was right. I can't understand why we continue to put athletes on a pedestal. I'm not saying I don't do it myself, I just don't understand why. Whenever I'm having a spirited sports discussion at a bar (more often than not this bar) with a guy older than 50, the debate inevitably turns to how athletes were better and classier "back in my day". Racial overtones aside, I always disagree. The shit that's happening now is the same shit that's been going on for decades. You can probably already see where I'm going with this, and I promise I'll wrap up this rambling post in a minute, the problem lies with the way it's being reported. Ron loses his cool in probably the most public way possible, and after that he lost any benefit of the doubt. He was no longer Ron Artest "shutdown defender" he was Ron Artest "crazy asshole". It sucks, but it sells newspaper/commercials. But that doesn't justify it. The only argument I concede to the hypothetical old guy I referenced earlier is that athletes are different, but it's because they have to be different than back then. Everything they do is under a microscope. It's why guys like A-Rod, Kobe (Ah! How did I get into defending Kobe Bryant!?), and 90% of all athletes playing in Boston or New York seem like such standoffish assholes. They have to be or else any little thing they do, like showing up to practice in a bathrobe, helps label them as something the media can market to make money.

 

And that's why I (and apparently many others) find Ron's co-hosting stint on the late night shift so refreshing. My immediate reaction when I heard Ron on the radio was "holy crap, Ron's being himself" and then I waited for something he said to be blown out of proportion by ESPN, the Bee, or some blog (never here of course). Luckily it hasn't happened yet. After listening to him for a couple weeks I've come to two conclusions that really took me by surprise. First the whole Ron not being crazy thing. And second, Ron Artest is a likable guy. A really likable guy. Too bad nobody really gives the guy a chance because he got pissed when someone threw a beer at him. Now that I'm done making a point that I'm still not sure even I believe, time to point out all the actually crazy stuff I missed because I was going off of a smoke and booze addled memory and the bastion of journalistic integrity that is Wikipedia. Oh, and apologies for being absent the past month or so. Computer's broken.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Hats off

Hats off to you Muff! This is one of the best fanposts Ive read in awhile.

Either you and I are both crazy, or you may actually be onto something. Ive always felt that he was a little “off” (which he confirmed to me during his recent radio appearences. See his Celine Dion fixation etc) but I believe these mannerisms are too often looked at in a negative light.

The man flat out cares about hoops, point blank. And that is a player that every team should want on their squad. There IS a reason why Kevin Martin has said publicly a few times that he likes playing with Ron and wants him back. He didnt have to say those thing,s nobody forced him to. All this speculation about him taking opportunities away from Kevin Martin, etc is bullshit, and those saying it know damn well thats true. I firmly believe that Artest, K-Mart and possibly Hawes (if he continues to develope) can become a formitable trio in the league. And I think ron underdtands that, hence why his agent is speaking out loud about Ron’s desire to stay here longtime.

I know I got a tad bit off-path on that recent paragraph, but Muff pretty much summed up all my thoughts on the assumption that Ron is crazy. Although I find it VERY hard to imagine myself living life any differently that Ron has if I was a millionaire since 20 having grown up wioth nothing.

by Hoops916 on Jun 5, 2008 6:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Ron

Love, love love him! He’s fun to have around, and I don’t really have an issue with his overall play when he is on the court.

But his agent is posturing that he will merit a $65+ million dollar contract. Here’s why I don’t want to do that.

That said, great post, Muff. Well done.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 5, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I wouldn’t mind keeping Artest around, but not for the kind of money his agent is talking about, and if that’s all Artest wants, then GP needs to get value for him while he can.

by smgmatt on Jun 6, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All that stuff may not make him crazy

But it doesn’t help. :)

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Jun 5, 2008 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys

I probably should have added the disclaimer that while I think he’s sane and hilarious, that doesn’t mean I think we should break the bank to resign him. I love the guy, but I love the 2010 free agent class wayyyyyyyy more.

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Jun 5, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No wait....

Petrie is not waiting for that 10’ free agent class. Mark my words, he may sign someone that year but I guarentee you that he is behind the scenes as we speak tryin to make moves for next year!

by Hoops916 on Jun 5, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moves for next year

Hey, I’m fine with making moves for next year. Although I’d prefer them to be mid-level for John Salmons moves, not max deal (or whatever the hell we’re paying him) for Brad Miller moves.

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Jun 5, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree!

After listening to the radio shows, I came to this conclusion also. I was strongly against him because of the image he gave off. But I don’t think he is so crazy now. Nice post!

by idjpg85 on Jun 5, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tremendous post, Muff. (Rec this thing up, people!)

by Ziller on Jun 6, 2008 8:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wild and Wacky Fun!

I LOVE Artest! Yes, he has and still sometimes does suffer from some immaturity episodes – but he’s young, skilled offensively, a defensive STOPPER, an emotional leader – a true Championship Piece! Why oh why would we want to lose/get rid of one of our championship caliber players? You really only need one more – and some good role players to contend! PG? Nice to have a great one – but look at Boston and LA. Both (good) role playing PGs. All we’re missing is an athletic, defense stretching, interior player/rebounder.
Resign Beno, get TJ Ford for Salmons – and draft for that big, young, dunkin’ love machine we need! Thats whats available in this draft – thats what you take – not a reach for some PG that just isn’t there. Back to RA – I LOVE that other teams fans hate him!!!
[OPINION] PHX, SA, Dallas, GS, Denver – All teams likely to faade next year.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 6, 2008 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fairly short post in which I somehow argue that Muff209 is insane because he somehow argued that Ron Artest is sane

Ron Artest = Crazy. Muff209 Thoughts = RA Thoughts. Muff209 = Crazy. QED.

I kid, I kid. Great post, recd.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jun 7, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Great post. Here's my 2 cents added.

I don’t agree we should ever throat athletes on the pedestal as role models for ourselves, or children. However the Brawl thing is just something you don’t do when you’re getting paid millions of dollars. There’s only three real rules to any contract.

1 Play the game the way we’re paying you to play.
#2 Be a respectable law-abiding citizen. (I through respectable in just because it sounds good)
#3 Don’t physically engage anyone, for any reason. We have security, and massive liability.

That’s it really. I don’t think I’ve ever said Ron was crazy. I love the guy’s emotions, I love his worth ethic, I love his defense, and like his offense. My only quip with him is sometimes he tries to take over the game, when this should be done by Kevin Martin instead, or whoever else is on fire.

In terms of contract? Well he wants to be paid like he’s the #1 on this team… Funny thing is, even the #1 on this team doesn’t have the highest contract. Ron should take a lesson from Kevin Martin and take a good contract, as he deserves. if he’s offered a lengthy deal that’s in the ball park of 9.5-10.5 he should be DAMN happy of the fact. Not to mension, if things don’t work out his contract would be a lot more tradable than it would if he were being paid 13, 14, 15+ like he wants.

Ron, I’ve forgiven you for the brawl. I’ve applauded you in Sac, I want you to stay. Just be reasonable in your negotiations and realize what Petrie is trying to accomplish.

by dkons21 on Jun 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

haha..

Throat = throw

by dkons21 on Jun 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you Muff; Artest isn't crazy

What Artest is, unquestionably, is unique which doesn’t always work well in a team atmosphere. Also his best skills have to be in lieu of a shotblocker, and unfortunately the KIngs haven’t had one since Causwell. That’s not necessarily a bad thing not having a shot blocker, but it helps create value in a player like Artest who isn’t.

As far as the personal behavior goes, that’s kinda like ummm, yeah, okay, sure, whatever. I haven’t called the guy crazy, but I know many have. I don’t think he’s fault for the brawl in Detroit, rather I think he’s the scapegoat for the league to help put the issue down as quickly as possible from a PR standpoint. (I find this entirely un-forgiveable, but, as I’ve said, I think David Stern is a Jewish Douchebag. I refuse to retract that too.) That being said Artest is who & what he is, and the conversation being had is better than not having one. Yet, again, another reason I hate Stern. Rather than just droning on about irresponsibility of athletes, a dumb generalization, which is of course an oxymoron, there was no conversation about where the level of contact between athlete & fan comes into play in the NBA. That conversation refuses to be had because the NBA is too afraid that it will diminish it’s earning potential over the short, and perhaps longer, term. The fact that Artest still brings these types of things up consistently is, if nothing else I suppose, a form of consistent redeeming value.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2008 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pookey

What does Stern being Jewish have to do with him being a douchebag? I am Jewish, that’s why I’m asking.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 8, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Jews

use different douches than the rest of the world, there is no place for a comment not like that. Even if no one on the list was Jewish. I’m pretty sure there are douchebags of all religions. I can tell you I know of a few Mormon ones.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jun 8, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I've known a few too, and it wasn't about Stern's race or religion

It’s about his level of conduct, and I was sort of lumping in some Jewish stereotypes in with the JD remark. That’s it. No more, and no less.

My point is simple about Artest. He’s used as an example of how not to act, but little was said about how those fans in Detroit acted that night. Small children (even Jewish ones) excepted, no one there was innocent of anything outside of acting like an appropriate adult that night. That’s what so irritating about this whole issue.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing actually

I just hate David Stern, and I really don’t care how it comes off at this point. Besides he’s something of a special douchebag, and some of them include the stereotypes that accompany anti-Semitism. There ya go.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2008 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

some of ":them" actually means characteristics--my bad

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pookey-

Thanks for the explanations. I think that you could have made your point about Stern without the anti-semetic reference.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 9, 2008 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah well let's just say we can agree to disagree

I think Ariel Sharon, for example, is a piece of shit too, and have many choice words that would be confused with anti-Semitism. Then again, Sharon is deserving of many of them even after his own death. Stern quite isn’t in Sharon’s category, but if there was a commissioner spot he would get it. Gary Bettman (who may or may not be anything) belongs there too. Bud Selig also.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

But I can’t agree to disagree on this one. Bigotry is a form of ignorance, and you’ve always struck me as being far too intelligent for that.

Unless Stern is outlawing pulled pork sandwiches from NBA arenas, his decisions on NBA product and policy have absoultely nothing to do with the fact that the man happens to be Jewish.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 9, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You win--arguing about how worthless David Stern IS a waste of my time, and everyone else's

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has nothing to do with David Stern

When you were ripping on Pat Riley the other day you didn’t say he was a Christian piece of shit. I really don’t see why the person’s religion or ethnicity are required to insult them.

Section 214 is one lucky schmoe

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 9, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm, Pulled Pork

I hope he knows better than to outlaw Pulled Pork Sandwiches . . . they’re delicious. That would be the end of him!

by smgmatt on Jun 10, 2008 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry,

but I can’t let this comment go by either. If you think David Stern, George Bush, Osama Bin-Laden, Mother Theresa, Pope Benedict XVI, Martin Luther King Jr, Louis Farrakan, Malcom X, Billy Graham, Rev. Sun Yat-Sen, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, or Adolf Hitler are douches, it’s easy enough to say so without attacking their religious beliefs which may or may not be twisted by any of them without reflecting on the lay believers of their religions (or lack of belief, I guess I should have thrown a few agnostic and atheist leaders names up there too).

As Section said below (or above) depending on how my comment posts, you’re too intelligent for that. Take any slur you care to cast against a particular group, rethink it and reword it against whatever group you identify with, then ask yourself if that is a fair representation. If it’s not, then you (as an intelligent person) need to accept that it’s unfair and untrue to cast it against a whole group of people.

And we all know, that stereotypes don’t fit everyone. Not even taxi drivers.

Pookey, you’re so much better than the comment that you made, I’m going to plead with you to rethink your stance. Please?

Yeah, I know it’s the internet and all, but this one comment as it stands (fairly or unfairly) will color how I interpret all of your past and future comments here…and whether I’ve always agreed with your comments or not, I’ve always valued your opinion.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jun 10, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance

Read my official not going to change response here.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2008 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I implore you to reconsider, lest we be without your insight in the future.

We’ve been over it before: anti-Semitism, racism, sexism, homophobia, and any sort of hateful comments - even casual in nature - having to do with a person’s creed or color will not be tolerated.

You’ve been warned, man. It will change.

by Ziller on Jun 10, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read it,

I still disagree with you.

And I don’t think you ever contemplated my scenarios.

Your loss.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jun 10, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You bored pookey?

This strikes me as an intentional “stirring of the pot” during a slow news time for the Kings.

Not much I can say that hasn’t already been said. Writing something bigoted is bad enough – defending it means it wasn’t just a heat of the moment thing. I doubt many of us will be able to read what you write without now considering the source. Too bad, as you generally have a lot to offer.

"Boo Lakers! Boo Kobe! Go Kings! Go Giants! Boo Dodgers!" - my 5 year-old daughter - 4/15/08

by otis29 on Jun 10, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I wasn't bored

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then I'm just a stupid racist & blah blah blah

I got better things to do this month anyway.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a quote for pookey

“I have never been really able to believe that human affairs were serious matters. I had no idea where the serious might lie, except that it was not in all this I saw around me—which seemed to me merely an amusing game, or tiresome.”-Albert Camus

"everything was beautiful and nothing hurt"

by richmond02 on Jun 10, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does that mean?

Anti-Semites are too stupid to understand philosphy.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that most people think he is crazy

But I am much more concerned about whether he is coachable and whether he is a good match here. Mike Tyson is crazy, no question about it. T.O. is not crazy (at least in my opinion), but he has been a detriment to many of the teams he has been on. Just because he is playing well in Dallas does not mean other teams should have kept him.

I am still not sure that Artest is a good match here. His style of play, and his stated opinion that he is the Kings number one offensive weapon, do not seem at first blush to be a good match for the Kings. Frankly, that’s why I am surprised Petrie has not done more to trade him. He will probably be a valuable piece for some team. I just don’t think it is ours.

Just as a fun FYI, I have a YA fantasy novel coming out nationally this spring, that is, to my knowledge, the only fantasy novel to mention Artest by name. Here’s the quote from the book.

"No? Well, I’m better than both of them and Michael Jordon put together. I got moves so sweet, Ron Artest and Big Ben Wallace couldn’t stop me. Only reason I’m not playing in the NBA right now is ‘cause I’m too young. But one day I’ll be making me some serious cash and driving a red Lamborghini. Maybe even a gold-plated Hummer."

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jun 8, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clarification
I have a YA fantasy novel coming out nationally this spring

YA= Young Adult. And it comes out in September, which is not actually spring.

Seriously, you would die without me, SB.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 9, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Young Adult"

Rats. I’m neither.

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by section214 on Jun 9, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, awesome! Good luck

by Ziller on Jun 10, 2008 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jordan, not Jordon.

I’m surprised LPA didn’t already catch that.

Other than that, I completely agree with the first two paragraphs of your post.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jun 10, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great catch KK!

I think it just made it intime to change it before it goes to press. E-mail me at scott@jscottsavage.com with your snail mail address and I’ll send you a copy of the final hardback when it comes out.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jun 10, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!

My first StR swag!

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jun 10, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um....
sane woman (oxymoron, I know)

I have no words, Muff.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 9, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Basketball?

Basketball? Isn’t that was this was supposed to be about? Let’s leave out ALL Slurs

(except the ‘Kobe is a scumbag rapist’ – run with that one)

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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