Trade the Entire Team for Gil?
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 7:19 AM PDT
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As quoted by ZenBaller in the FanPosts, the Washington Post's Ivan Carter:
Also, I heard from a very reliable source that the Sacramento Kings contacted Arenas and said they are willing to do "whatever it takes" to land his services even if they have to "trade their entire team." Guess the Maloof brothers want to matter again.
On a standard six-year maximum contract acquired via sign-and-trade, Gil's 2008-09 salary would be $17.1 million. Brad Miller and John Salmons gets it done from a contractual standpoint. It's unclear whether Washington would want to take those contracts back -- Salmons is fairly priced, Miller can play in Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense and expires in 2010. The only real 2009 expirings Sacramento could offer would be Ron Artest and Mikki Moore (sort-of); you'd assume playing with Artest and Kevin Martin would be the reason Gil would want to come to Sacramento (besides the $124 million, of course). A Shelden Williams, Artest, Moore combination would work financially if Ron's not a requirement, though.
A hypothetical Gil max contract would look like:
2008-09: $17.1 million
2009-10: $18.5 million
2010-11: $19.9 million
2011-12: $21.3 million
2012-13: $22.7 million
2013-14: $24.1 million
That is a lot of money. But Gil is a lot of player. If Arenas regained his pre-2007 production, Gil&Martin would instantly be one of the best backcourts in the Western Conference (perhaps behind only Parker/Manu and Telfair/McCants). The injury creates quite a big if, though. And I can guarantee you right now whichever team signs Gil to a max contract will get murdered in the press and the blogs. Can we handle the jokes?
Right now, it'd appear the Kings are a deep, deep third among reasonable options. Golden State can lock in Arenas without Wizards cooperation. It appears the Wizards would like Arenas for themselves. Dominoes would have to fall for it to happen here. I'm fully on board and in full-on hope mode. How 'bout you?
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surely you're joking
about the Telfair-McCants duo?
by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2008 7:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even with Gil, I just don't see us getting past Telfair/McCants
I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea
by kangsfan on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh, but Beno-Douby
surely is the bestest of all.
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by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly...
We are going to have to sign Bassy. Or is it Bassie? Half the mid-level and a full clip should do it.
Beware certitude.
by Reges on Jul 1, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half the mid-level!?
I am sure he is well aware that Nor-Cal represents when it comes to his favorite green grass, I am sure the minimum would suffice.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely correct
Moproblemz, you are quite right. I forgot to include our natural resources in my cap-in-your-@$$-ology.
Beware certitude.
by Reges on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I don't think Golden State chases agent zero...
they have to lock up Monta who is a quicker Agent zero with less of a shot and no Hibachi or swag.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's the rub
If GS does get Arenas back, perhaps the Kings swoop in and make a deal for Ellis instead.
Use the same pieces (Artest, Miller, Salmons, Mikki, etc.) and give them the boost they need to get back into contention with Arenas (remember, they’re losing their swag in Davis, so maybe that’s a factor), and celebrate with a young PG to practically complete our youth movement in one swoop.
Since we’re talking longshots and all.
by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Gilbert leaving Washington.
He’s gone along word for word with every promise he’s ever made that I can think of. Doing whatever it took to get back from injury, saying he would opt out, and his only real demand besides a long-term contract was resign Jamison for what he’s worth. Wizards resigned jamison for more than I would have, so that leaves Gilbert next.
Stranger things have happened I suppose, but Gilbert leaving Washington will not happen.
by dkons21 on Jul 1, 2008 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huge fan of agent zero...
Although we don’t have the assets to acquire him, but he would definitely make us relevant. He is a bona-fied star assuming he can recover from his knee injuries and you have to have least one star to go anywhere. The problem I will reiterate is, we don’t have the resources to make this happen. Unless the wizards decide they want to enter the Lebron sweepstakes and take our two contracts that are set to expire for 2010.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not for nothin'
The Kings have at least 7 contracts that can/will expire before 2010:
Artest, Miller, K9, SAP, Moore, Williams, & Douby (the last two being non-tenders).
Just sayin’.
by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd kind of like to know what the ten no's are holding out for...
so speak up, as I’d like to know the other half of the argument.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes but
a couple logical reasons to say no are 1- We are forking out a shit load of cash to someone coming off injury. We all know how the CWebb issue ended up do we want to be stuck with Gil after his knees blow? 2-Gil is a shoot first point guard and to be honest I don’t really even consider him a pg. This might keep Kev from getting the looks that he deserves.
I’d make the deal but if they want Kmart the deal has to be off.
I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea
by kangsfan on Jul 1, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, agent Zero is fun to watch, but he’s def a chucker, which will hurt Kev’s game
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by joeytothelimit on Jul 1, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
under cover
The Kings with Petrie as GM tend to fly under the radar a bit, there is always talk from Sacramento from the “experts” but how much of that has ever proven to be true?
by Murf on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maloofs
This is obviously a Maloofs thing, because as you say GP wouldn’t make a public statement like this.
In regards to when public statements like this have been true, just look to the Peja-Artest deal, which was also a Maloofs thing (at least the public aspect).
by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take the risk free approach and choose no
he’s a combo guard
he’ll never ever take a back sit to anyone
he wants +100 mln
he has a bum knee
i like gilbert. like watching him on the court beacuse it’s helluva entartaining, like watching/listening/reading him off the court because it’s helluva entertaiting.
But i don’t want him on my team because i don’t envision him as a key element on a championship caliber team.
by cwebb on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why i dont like arenas:
-money
-knee risk
-money
Why i like arenas:
-killer instinct to win
-can be the alpha dog (in case martin never picks that up)
-playing with arenas might appease artest (im reaching here)
by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good points
especially about the alpha dog role. I would also add that he’s amusing, and can bring around fan interest (in a good way) even if the team isn’t on 60-win pace.
by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes, but
There aren’t enough basketballs to go around with Arenas, Artest and Martin on the same team. Artest would have to go.
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Put me down for no...
Why not? I just don’t see him as the top player on any championship level squad, so $20/mil a year for a guy coming off injury, whose team played pretty well without him, doesn’t excite me all that much. Throw in the fact that Martin would continue not to get the touches most of us want to see him get (with or without Artest staying on board).
I like Gil – he’s entertaining on and off the floor – but I don’t $20mil/season for the Kings like him.
by cabz on Jul 1, 2008 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be great....
until the first game of next season, when Gil shoots 15 threes, scores 30 points on 30 shots, ignores Kevin Martin, doesn’t play any defense, Kings lose, and it sinks in that we’re going to be paying him $24 million five years in the future.
There are players that are worth the Max. Gilbert Arenas isn’t one of them.
by nbrans on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amick says
That the Kings denied making this call. OK, enough with the laughs. Who here has Gibert’s cell phone number?
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2010?
Giving up on a long-term plan for a quick headline…always a great idea.
"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest
by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Opportunities?
Passing up an opportunity because of previous plans seems just as foolish.
by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "opportunity"
The “opportunity” to give a max contract to a guy coming off serious knee surgery?
"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest
by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is 2010 a realistic possibility?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking in generalities
You made a very general statement, and I countered with another one.
Whether or not you think Gilbert Arenas is the best player the Kings can get in the next 5 years, to ignore his possible availability because of a pre-existing long-term plan just doesn’t make any sense.
If you don’t think the Kings should sign Arenas that’s fine, you just should have said that instead the first time.
For the record, would you be interested in either Davis or Brand? They both have had serious injuries recently as well. Just curious.
by smgmatt on Jul 1, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reason #2,056 I Prefer My Friends Here at StR to Other Kings Communities...
These guys think a) Telfair-McCants was not a joke, and b) I invented the Arenas rumor to get more pub.
How do some people survive this jungle of a world?
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speed, Coke, Meth, Pot, Alkiehol are just some of the rumored good times available
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record I disagree about trading for Gil
But that doesn’t mean I think you’re off your rocker for suggesting it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's working!
Damn you, Ziller. I see your conspiracy now. You broke into the Kings front office, raided the player database, got Gilbert Arenas phone number, waited for him to opt out, called him pretending to be a member of the Kings front office, tipped off the Washington Times and then wrote it up here, all to get 30 more hits today. You thought you could fool us? I don’t think your name is even really TZ. Who are you really, sir?
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, telfair-mccants was a joke?
Who ranks above? Paul-Mo? Kobe-whoever? Ghast!!!!! Davis-Jackson??
You sonuvagun… makign up trade rumors, misrepresenting talent… next thing you’re going to do is link to an article that says we were NOT screwed in the 2002 WCF.
Hey, guys, somebody’s killed TZ and taken over STR.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason StR sucks
is that humor is not really allowed here.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humor is allowed here
It just never occurs.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean I will have to watch "Squatting monkey's tell no lies"?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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