Amick: Beno's Back
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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Sam Amick is reporting that Beno Udrih has accepted that $32 million, five-year deal from the Kings. As I said in my long analysis of why exactly Beno shouldn't be getting the full mid-level for five years from Sacramento, I'm not mad at this. I'm not sure it's the perfect move, but it sure as Hades beats Chris Duhon.
Welcome back, Beno. But cut your hair and put on some pants, for God's sake.
UPDATE: Chad Ford and Beno used to kick it at this crazygood pastry shop in Ljubljana (or something), so Ford gets the quote:
"I am so happy and honored to be returning to the Kings," Udrih told ESPN.com. "They took a chance on me and believed in me. I can't wait to get back to my teammates and the city that has become home to me."
Translation:
"I need some frickin' In-n-Out and a Hefeweizen from Sudwerks!"
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Damn
I was really hoping Clippers would outbid the Kings.
by RN on Jul 1, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just happy the Kings got him back. Whether or not he is worth a 5-year deal I am not sure but he is only 25 and could still improve a bit. Whether he will be a great starting PG in the league or not I am not sure but he is a better than average point guard. I just hope he can stay healthy for 5 years.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
by dalt99 on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's where I'm at too Dalt
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else,
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Being right doesn't necessarily make you wrong
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh correction
Being right doesn’t necessarily make you not wrong. I need to get the hang of posting stuff the first time. :|
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy!
There should have been a way to link your post without all the trailing comments! But yes, once again Section, you are the co-Master of the StR Universe (due to TZ’s benevolence). I just haven’t figured out which one of you is Batman and which one is Robin, but you guys are a definitely a Dynamic Duo!
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 3, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TZ, either you were a Marine in your past life, or something
Actually I object on the status of that someone from some other blog might believe you’re totally serious and are against those of an inch or less bulk of hair on the top of the head. You are discriminating against short head fellows, and I as a short hairish fellow, object!
Btw, with all the back & forth discussion of Beno, it surely is bringing to light the difficulties the Kings have in putting together a roster without top tier talent to do it. But if Petrie does it, this will be greater than the Webber/Richmond trade, Divac Signing, and the Jwill draft. There is no 2 ways about that.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s just a little shaggy around the ears. Trim that sh*t!
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez. If Beno offends you, how do you feel about Morrison, Gasol, Nowitski, Childress, etc?
by corbin on Jul 1, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morrison’s OK because he’s the guitar technician for Metallica.
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, according to TZ's "Amateur Capologists" post
Kings will be ~$1.5mil under the tax…..we don’t really much more wiggle room to spend dollars this summer, do we?
by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2008 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not without a trade, and because this cinches up the mid-level, there’s only the veteran’s minimum anyways (less than $2 million).
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes an Artest/Shelden Williams/Quincy Douby trade
a much easier move to do assuming you get a larger salaried player back.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ask because I am interested in picking up Chris Quinn out of Miami…he’s an unrestricted FA this summer. This would give us a backup that’s not a rookie and not Doub-tastic. Quinn could also probably be had on the cheap, and is someone I think could start for this Kings team, which could free us up to trade Beno during the season.
...and yes, I think I am the only person who wants to go after Chris Quinn :|
by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Quinn seems interesting
But I’m still curious to see what Mike Singletary has before I believe looking for an outside solution like Chris Quinn is necessary.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Mike Singletary roaming the middle in our D
But I think we’ve got to settle for Sean unless Petrie can work some more magic.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Jul 1, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You for the correction Holmdel
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you go to summer camp with him or something? who is this guy?
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Quinn played in Miami this past season.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he started at PG for miami after their season was completely done. i chanced upon some of the games, games where wade was out, marion was out…basically ricky davis was the only “name” on the floor for miami. here was this unknown PG taking a bunch of miami’s scraps and actually doing something with them….he scored points, got assists (fairly consistently), and generally ran the team well. it was more impressive that he did it when he knew basically nothing the team did would count any more.
so of all the lower-tier PGs that are or might be available, here’s a guy i actually saw with some talent, who’s young, and is cheap. that’s why i mention him =P
by sactoreg on Jul 2, 2008 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but the need to do so isn't there either
You have Martin, Artest, Salmons, Garcia, Udrih, Miller, Moore, Hawes, Thompson, Douby, Williams, Abdur-Rahim, Thomas, and whichever of the 2nd round picks you sign to the roster (Singletary and Ewing JR). They won’t need to go on the market for any reason.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need to sign anyone?
PG – Beno/Douby/Singletary
SG – Martin/Cisco
SF – Artest/Salmons/Ewing Jr.
PF – Thompson/Mikki/SAR/K-9
C – Shawes/Miller
Honestly, if we can still pick up livingston, I say do it.
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by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a contigency to not signing Udrih
Now that they have Singletary, and unless they think the kid can’t do anything this season or next, I have a feeling he is the backup PG on the roster until told, or announced, otherwise. (Money plays a huge factor here too. The Kings, with Beno signing, have 13 rosters spots tied up, and if Singletary or Ewing Jr sign, that’s a potential 14 and 15th spots gone too. Livingston makes no sense now.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap, forgot about Shelden
Yeah, no space for Livingston. Awwww.
Shelden+Douby for Livingston in a sign and trade? Haha. (please ignore).
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by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the PF spot rots my eyes. Yuck.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 1, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does the 60 day “no trade” period begin the day the contract is signed? That is, would Udrih become trade eligible in September if he signs this deal in the next week or so? I don’t think anything like that is going to happen. I’d just like to have the extra arrow in the quiver for all of the Artest trade scenarios that I’m going to dream up.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we're on the same page now
The Kings aren’t trading Beno, but I do hope Petrie makes a deal for Artest before taking the rest of the offseason off.
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Must be after December 15th or 60 days whichever is later.
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by kingme18 on Jul 1, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually 3 months or December 15th whichever comes later
Otherwise Kingme is totally correct.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's tradeable
come October. Highly unlikely, given the fact that camps will already be open. Nie to know , though.
Thanks!!!
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he's not
I’m going to link LC’s FAQ for you.
But don’t ignore this. Beno can’t be traded until December 15th. The language is 3 months OR December 15th, WHICHEVER COMES LATER. I feel you will understand the point now.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops- read it wrong
Sorry about that. I’m racing around the site during lunch.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's okay--I wanted you to be clear--Misconceptions only hurts us in the long term
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does
channeling down a Togo’s sub with one hand because the Kings are more important than your digestive system.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they had Togo's here
I kinda miss Togo’s. And Del Taco. And Carl’s Jr.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait,
Can I add Jack in the Box? I’d give two fingers of my choice for a Jack in the Box in Utah.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have 'em in Vegas
I’m just sayin…
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I’d like a say in any fingers you give up.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you eat at Wendy's you may get two fingers of someones else's choice
I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea
by kangsfan on Jul 1, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!!!!!!!!!!!
kangsfan with the hoop and the harm!
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack in the Box isn't worth moving anywhere for I'm sorry
Del Taco yes. Carl’s Jr yes. Anything else: No!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time you're in Utah
We’ll do lunch. DT and CJ are two of our regulars.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then the state of Utah is cool with me
They are not regulars in the state of Washington. Although there is a Del Taco in Federal Way, which is close to Tacoma. Unfortunately I live in North Seattle. It takes me an hour & half by bus to get there. Take my word for it. I am that big of a loser. :)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a CJ's in Tacoma too
I might make a visit sometime in the future. I’m craving again. :|
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. George has one
At least that’s what they tell me here in Provo.
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
by JediLeroy on Jul 1, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
We ate there on our way to Disneyland last month.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count yourself luck PoGu
No Togos, Carl’s, Jack, Taco Bell, Del Taco, Mexican food of any kind really, Wendy’s, In-n-Out etc. where I am here in Korea. We do have McD’s, an occasional Burger King, Lotteria(the Korean McD’s), and Subway. Though the burgers are strangely smaller than they are back home. :/
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well I got nothing to say to that
Other than hope the tour continues to go well and hope you come back safe. (I don’t think you’re in danger or anything, but then again, American’s aren’t the most popular group of folks worldwide either.)
It would be interesting to live in Korea, and I damn sure wouldn’t give a crap about what kinda food was available. Then again eating another animal than a cow isn’t appealing either.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not in the Military, but thanks for the thoughts anyway
I teach English to Korean children.
Then again eating another animal than a cow isn’t appealing either.
By this I assume you mean dog? Many, maybe most Koreans don’t eat dog these days. Some still do. I haven’t tried it, but probably would if given the chance. Korean food is pretty good. Less meat, but beef, chicken, pork and fish are very common and lot’s of spicy side dishes.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah that's even worse then
At least in the military you’d get a chance to leave for a month.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to cat's in a round about way
But I’m also assuming they would include any animal just to sell stuff. Korean’s aren’t American’s and they’ll do alot for money. Stuff like that happens when you’re stuck in neutral for 50 years, and the main source of money is textiles and imported military/international spending.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard of Koreans eating cats
Vietnamese yes, Chinese yes, but not Koreans. I guess it’s possible.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shows you how smart I am
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Just American
I had very little knowledge about Korea before I came here. Don’t learn a lot about the outside world living in the U.S., by design I believe.
If American’s realized how well average people live in “lesser” countries like Korea, there’d be a revolution. It’s very safe here too, as in I have no fear walking down the street at night.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The safest "industrialized countries" in the world
And the US is not among them. In fact we never have been. Gun Violence is the main culprit in this issue. And with that, I step away from my soapbox, and hope your stays in Korea remains a happy and prosperous one.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
and sorry to all for the off topic crap.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They love dog here in China.
And to add to the discussion our fast food options are increasing by the day. We have subway (opened last saturday), Mister Softee Ice Cream Trucks (opened last october), Cold Stone (opened 2 weeks ago), Burger King, KFC, McD’s, Pizza Hut, Papa John’s and soon to get …...The one, the only, Carl’s Jr.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 1, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not necessarily a good thing though
What brought about the Chinese decline? Well, we had KFC, and MIckey D’s, and PIzza Hut and all that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urp...
I believe I ate some type of previously unknown animal protein in Guangzhou about 10 years ago. Ick, but to be open minded I ate it…once. Never had that problem in HK but did see both types of alternative protein in butcher shops in both places. I am really sorry to hear that so many American fast food places have opened there in the last 10 years.
To me, the best part of foreign travel is being forced to expand your horizons and expectations. The most expensive meal I ate in HK was a mediocre English Pub style lunch, the least expensive was in a five star oppulent Chinese restaurant in the New Territories (where, sadly, they threw us into a private back room because we were laowai. On a positive note, we were treated really well and the food was awesome!).
TMH, do you have a blog/public journal about your time in China? I would love to read it if you do. I have never, not in America, not in Mexico, seen the disparity in lifestyle/income that I witnessed in mainland China. Granted, I am not widely traveled but from my limited experiences China was an eye opener for the true meaning of poverty. I am not condemning Communism, I don’t know enough about it to form a political opinion. I’ve always had a sincere appreciation for historical Chinese culture and I am not sure that Communism altered some of the less vaunted aspects of the culture…
So far off topic now…sorry. Anywayz, if you have a place I could read about your experiences, could you please respond with a link? Thanks!
KK
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 4, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Later not first
Dec. 15th is the date. At least that’s the way I read PoGus post. Heh, Pogu. That’s what I will call him from now on.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Just call me Prof PG. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Dr. Pookey works better
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much like Dr Phil
I see your point, but I try to eliminate any overlapping coincidences with douchebag’s whenever possible.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
I don’t know of any douchebags named Pookey. ;)
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're a special breed :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a bit under the tax for a non playoff team
nba – where amazing happens
by cwebb on Jul 1, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think one reason they did the signing
is that several people in the franchise, I would be guessing anyway, believe Abdur-Rahim is a likely medical-retiree which would effectively take his salary off the cap, I’m guessing, by February or March being the likely time-frame that a decision would be made.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm wrong
But I thought Petrie gave a quicker timeline, like August, for determining whether SAR could/would play.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and that's probably true
If that comes & goes chances are he is done for his career. I have a feeling because of how little has been said, that his comeback is either going quietly on purpose, or it’s not going as well and he isn’t a media whore so he isn’t going to cry in public.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy with it
Haircut or no haircut.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That photo
looks so homo on the front page. why not just a picture of him playing basketball? Anyway welcome back to the Kings Beno! Ps there sure is a lot of armchair GMs around here!
by LivesInSac on Jul 1, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Put it with the
Peja Euro magazine cover and the Theus poster and we’re getting close to a Village People remake band.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do it
Step.Away.From.The.PhotoShop.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it, do it!
But cut your hair and put on some pants
I’m still intrigued by this sentence…but I am a week behind in reading your posts so maybe I’ll find the explanation there.
Hey, LPA! Yeah, you! Not all of us women are happily married to a Savage Beast, cut us some slack, eh? ; )
I double dog dare you TZ! Do it! If for no other reason, you and Section would be able to giggle over the google search terms that led people to find StR for the first time.
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 4, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like...
Beno just came straight out of the Backstreet Boys to play Basketball for us.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back Beno
Look forward to you improving and running the show for the next 5 years.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
With
Pretty exciting for the young man. This will be his first NBA camp as the incumbent point guard. 32 million other reasons to be happy, too.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seems like an all around decent guy too
Which is not always a given with NBA players.
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And
Unless Ime Udoka improves a lot, Beno is the best player in the NBA with a last name that starts with the letter “U.” That has to be worth something, right? Right?
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the update is concerned
In n Out and Hefeweizen is over-rated. Carls Jr and Butthead Amber Ale are where it’s really at. Beno’s taste in food and drink sucks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re not sane if you’re calling In-n-Out overrated. The double-double PER is, like, 32. The double-double is the next Jordan. BELIEVE IT!
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and they don't have that in Utah either.
Except St George, which is apparantly part of Las vegas as In & Out, and Jack in the Box won’t come any further north out here. Grrrrrr
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're anywhere near American Fork..
Chadder’s is a pretty good In-n-Out clone. So much so that I’ve heard rumors that they were facing a law suit.
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by JediLeroy on Jul 1, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think it's "Chaddars"
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by JediLeroy on Jul 1, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been there.
Good stuff.
TickTickTickTickTickTick
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or,
It could be a canary in the coal mine kind of warning…
The further Cali based fast food invades your state, the further the ingress of Cali ex-pats/refugees. Choose your own description of your state’s newest residents.
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 4, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
InSaNe!!!!
In-n-Out is the best of the fast food hamburgers, but it’s not better than most restaurant burgers. It’s sort of the Juwan Howard of burgers. The best of the bottom tier.
by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is overrated
Carls Jr has better sidedishes, and if you’re a fat piece of shit like me, that’s what you care about. Besides, the best fast food burger is definitely CJ’s. Without a doubt.
(I do like Mel’s up to a point, but it’s what mood I’m in. I have way too much knowledge about this shit. Maybe I should wander over to the JC and sign up for a class.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way too overpriced...
the six dollar burger is like six dollars now. Which is more ironic than you’d think considering their initial advertising campaign. Usually all I get from there is 99 cent spicy chicken sandwiches since everything else kills the wallet too hard. Specially with gas being the way it is.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have that problem Mo
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teriyaki Burger
I’m pretty disappointed that Carl’s Jr. got rid of their teriyaki burger. It was like $5. In comparison, I got the Hawaiian Burger at Islands on Roseville Parkway about an hour ago and it was almost $13 with fires, no drink!
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 1, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fires, ha!
I meant fries, but considering all the smoke in the air…..
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 1, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eating on Roseville PKWY
is somewhat akin to me eating at the Park because it’s a trendy place. No thanks.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
false; it's overrated
Patties are too small; i know at least five better fries joints, and the drink selection is meh. oh, and it takes forever to get your food.
Not saying it’s a bad place, but when people talk about it they damn near have an orgasm. Good food… not orgasmic.
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by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wha-wha-whah?
My experience with In N Out is that those who like it, love it and those who are indifferent seem to resent how much others love it (just read the comments in this thread as an example). I’ve always found this fascinating. One of the most polarizing fast food joints out there (the fact that most of the negatives I’ve heard about it compare it to non-fast food establishments seems to reinforce the polarization theory).
I do, however, take serious exception to this:
...and the drink selection is meh.
I’m sorry, but In N Out is one of the only fast food places that I can think of that hasn’t caved to one of the major soft drink companies. Where else can you get a Coke, Sprite, Dr Pepper, or 7-Up from the same place?
And have you even tried their Neapolitan Milkshake? Or a Lemon-Up (amazingly refreshing on a hot day)?
I won’t even defend In N Out’s selection of sides, because they simply don’t have any, but if their drink selection is “meh”, please tell me which fast food restaurant has a better one and why.
by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smg I respect you
But your argument sucks. In N Out isn’t terrible, but it isn’t anywhere near my favorites either. (Mickey D’s is terrible for instance.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Sucks, how? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m serious. I wasn’t arguing anyone’s right to like In N Out or not, but of all the things to complain about, the drink selection is probably the weakest argument I’ve ever heard.
Go to any fast food restaurant and you’ll get your choice of either the Pepsico product line or the Coca Cola product line. In N Out is one of the last places that offers a combination of the two (it’s worth noting, however, that some gas stations/quickie marts carry both companies’ product lines).
I recently encountered this problem at one of my favorite local dives, The Squeeze Inn (as seen on “Diners, Drive-In’s and Dives” no less). They recently switched to all Coca Cola products, which means that they no longer have Dr Pepper (or Mountain Dew to my friend’s horror) available, just the 5th-rate Mr. Pibb (who didn’t even finish his post doctorate in Sodalogical Theory!).
Soda aside, what magical beverage choice is missing? Do their drinks qualify as “meh” (average? lacking? not worth noting?) because they only have three flavors of milkshake? What exactly is missing?
Count me out for the JitB-style Cookies & Cream shakes or McD’s (I agree completely that they’re terrible) Iced Coffees . . . if I want anything like that I’d go to BaskinRobbins or, well I don’t drink coffee at all so that’s not even an issue.
For probably everyone that can tell the difference, soda options can easily throw a wrench into any dining experience.
by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right and I was wrong
My argument had nothing to do with yours. And Dr Pepper, especially when with the right amount of ice, is far superior. That puzzles me though that Dr Pepper isn’t included with Coke products even when Mr Pibb is offered. When I get a choice of Mr Pibb or Cherry Cola I always take Cherry Cola anyway. So I suppose in that realm you are correct sir.
I don’t know if soda options throw a wrench in every dining experience. When I go to the Ram I just drink Amber Ale. It’s far better drinking a good brew than soda with a steak. Or something like that.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sweet Dr
I usually see DP with Pepsi products, and I assumed that PepsiCo had bought out the Dr Pepper/Seven Up Bottling Group, but apparently I was wrong.
In 2006 and 2007, Cadbury Schweppes purchased the Dr Pepper/Seven Up Bottling Group (DPSUBG), along with several other regional bottlers. This allows DPS to bottle many of its own beverages and combat the recent decision by many Pepsi and Coke bottlers to drop their products. Some of the Dr Pepper/Seven Up brands are still licenced to Pepsi, Coke and independent bottlers in various regions of the United States.
For whatever it’s worth it was then spun off as the Dr Pepper Snapple Group.
Maybe the licensing leans more towards Pepsi than Coke in California? I honestly don’t know.
Also, I will not argue against your Amber Ale (because you’re right). I was simply speaking of it being a problem if a soda was being ordered.
One last note: if you’re ever Dublin-TX, Temple-TX, Ab-Tex in Abilene, or West Jefferson-NC . . . get some DP sweetened with sugar instead of HFCS.
OK, I think I’ve traveled far enough down this rabbit hole.
by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the argument is rather genius myself
But then again I’m a fat diabetes nearing slob. Maybe I should lay off the stuff and find a different argument to have.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree with pookey
Carl’s Jr KILLS In-n-Out. In-N-Out is the most overrated fast food chain in America. Its pretty damn good, but not as good as people make it out to be. I went to college on the east coast and ever since Mikey wore the t-shrit in Swingers kids in delaware dream of going to california and eating in-n-out. such weaksauce.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLUS
I don’t remember EVER getting a free in-n-out burger if the kings won or scored 110 points.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever tried,
Arrogant Bastard Ale? You just might be ready for it. No lie, I’ve bought this for my brother and he loves it, but then again…yeah.
Does Butthead have a distributor in California? I’d be willing to try it if they did.
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 4, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have and it was just too much alkiehol for me the time I did try it
Was a long time ago though. I don’t think BAH has a distributor in California, but who knows. Next time you’re in Seattle just go to the RAM. There’s about 4 or 5 them in the metro Seattle area.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually RAM is a fairly big chain
And they have them alot of places you might go to someday.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link,
but I don’t do “rainy”. I’m sure they’ll get to sunny California someday. Although, right now we’d be better described as “en fuego” California.
I am so sick of breathing this freakin’ smoke. I hope everyone if the fire areas stays safe and that their homes survive too.
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 8, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is officially
a well-rounded and semi-talented squad. Assuming they avoid major injuries and suspensions, how can they not improve upon last season’s win total? (Observe the power of positive thinking.)
Say what you will about the price tag for Beno, I would have been very unenthusiastic about beginning the season with J-Will or Duhon or a one-legged Livingston starting at point. Beno proved himself to be better than adequate during his audition season. The guy doesn’t settle for outside jumpers, he’s a reliable ballhandler and he’s occasionally clutch. We could’ve been a lot worse off (long-term cap implications be damned!)
Unfortunately, there’s going to be an odd man out of the nine-man rotation. Assuming Douby and Williams are relegated to permanent bench status, and assuming Singletary is a competent backup PG, I think Salmons becomes expendable as trade bait. He’ll pout about coming off the bench anyway, so we might as well ship him someplace that might value him more.
Big picture: I see Phoenix, San Antonio and Dallas getting older and weaker. It will definitely be high time to make a move up the standings over the next 2-3 years. Good thing we now have the next Scottie Pippen on the roster!
by corbin on Jul 1, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of a nine man rotation
I’m hoping a consistent 10 man rotation. This isn’t the Lakers where you have rings on your mind. If this team goes 10 deep you get a chance to play all the players you want to see, and you get a chance to win games when the need to par down the rotation occurs. But I would like to see a deep rotation this season.
I think it’s easy to forget that we signed Beno 4 games into the season, and that Artest missed a ton of games during the season without including his 7 game suspension, and that Martin’s missing a month didn’t help matters. Brad Miller dropped off during the last 2 months of the season whIch I believe hurt Beno overall too. Either, or, there is reason for optimism with Beno. But the bad thing is that there is as many reason’s for pessimism, especially when considering the long term.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope the curse of the MLE doesn't continue...
God I hope.
by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not thrilled
would be how I describe this signing.
To me, Beno last year felt like a stopgap at the point. He was, IMO a back-up point guard slotted as the starter by default. Last year the Kings were awful in assists to turnovers. I don’t know about committing 32 million dollars on a point guard who played one good year followed by a year sitting behind Jacque Vaughn.
I think it’d be absurd to believe our point guard issues as solved.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jul 1, 2008 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What kind of numbers does he need to put up
for you to see him as a “starter?” If his numbers go from 12 and 4 to, say, 15 and 6 does that make him a starter?
I’m really looking for some metrics behind the he’s a perennial back-up comments I keep reading. He’s better than Bibby. Does that mean that Bibby is now a “back up.”
And, BTW, was he the key culprit of the T/A ratio?
by Kusian on Jul 1, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kusian
I think the biggest issue is that he’s not a sure thing. There isn’t anything guaranteed in this deal. The biggest hope I have is that Beno’s trade value continues to rise should it be necessary that the Kings deal him. I’m disappointed by the amount of years more than I am anything else.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a culprit, but not the sole reason. The style of basketball, Miller’s bad turnover year, Mikki’s hands and Beno all had some culpability.
by Ziller on Jul 1, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the greatest question, for me
Is how well Beno would do in an up-style full time given the chance to figure out the personnel.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you like him better
in the half-court or in transition? I personally preferred the running game. But I’m biased in that direction already.
by Kusian on Jul 1, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully
I would say I would rather see him being influential in the running game, if at best, he’s manual in starting the half court offense. I would also like to see, unlike in the past years, that other than Beno or Kevin, 2 other players would attempt to run down the court for some early offense. But that’s a personal feeling. And I agree with you about that direction. I’m a big fan of up-tempo flow.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mikki's hands
Paint a vulgar picture, why don’t ya, TZ. I’d almost forgotten about the nightmare that are Mikki’s mits. Webber he aint.
by Kusian on Jul 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Mikki's hands"
That is your oxymoron for the day.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, man, check the signature.
Don’t dip on the hands.
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by iashwash on Jul 1, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey at least we have one of the prettier backcourts in the NBA
by Ultrakingsfan on Jul 1, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Double Doubles!!!
Chalupas get the day off.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's free I'll eat anything
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Garden snails.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at that S Car go!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bottom Line
If we hadn’t offered Beno the full MLE, he’s an LA Clipper right now and Sean Singletary is your current starting point guard.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 1, 2008 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not so fast...
i’m not so sure. i’d imagine the clippers probably wanted baron davis more all along.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016
this is where petrie goes wrong: he’s too nice. what’s wrong with waiting a couple days to see how the dust settles in the rest of the free-agent market? who exactly were we bidding against? we gave beno the largest contract we possibly could have. how does that make sense?
and for the record, i’m not in any way against having beno on the kings, even at 6 mil a season. i’m against signing him at that rate for 5 years.
by beevenator on Jul 1, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might, that's true
or maybe they aren’t interested, even with an apparent need at point. why not let it shake out and see what they offer, rather than paying him the full MLE right off the bat? to me, this is like standing up in the first 30 seconds of an auction for a product you like but don’t love and offering everything in your pockets. i just fail to see the strategic advantage.
by beevenator on Jul 1, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
it’s more like standing up and offering MSRP. Could you have gotten it cheaper? Maybe, but why take the risk? If we acquire a better PG in the next couple years, move him to whoever has a huge PG need then.
by Viliphied on Jul 1, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you approve the signing at the full MLE?
Just asking.
The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls
by KK on Jul 4, 2008 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
We were bidding against ourselves. The Clippers were the only team that was desperate for a point guard but they had the cap space to go after Baron Davis so that’s what they did. I thought it was obvious Baron would be leaving for LA the minute he opted out and found out the Clippers have cap space.
Now the Pacific division is looking like the best division in the NBA.
Sacto, the 2 LA’s, Phoenix and GSW they could be upwards of 45 wins next year.
In the SW, Memphis is a gimme.
In the NW, its Utah and no one else. Portland is up and coming and Denver is down and falling
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How can bid against yourself when every team, conceivably anyway, can bid the same thing you can?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The five year full MLE knocked out every one of those teams. Time will tell if it’s the right move, but for the time being it’s all the other guys that have to go chase Chris Duhon, Carlos Arroyo and company.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that did that was a choice on other teams' part
After all they could have offered the 5 years too.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
that he already knew the players and the system here, as well as having at leat 5 cents worth of appreciation for being an opportunity here when no one else would. My feeling is that someone was going to have to beat (not meet) our offer to pry him away.
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by section214 on Jul 2, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree sir, but that's not entirely the point
I think the opportunity to have the starting job meant more than anything else the Kings could have offered, which included his first starting opportunity.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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