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Maybe Ron-Ron Should Stop Emailing Reporters?

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The warm feelings lasted a long, long time.

Artest told ESPN.com on Tuesday that he wishes now he had opted for unrestricted free agency, like Brand and Davis, instead of electing to play out the final year of his contract with the Kings next season at $7.4 million.

Artest also conceded that his long-term future is likely not in Sacramento, saying via e-mail: "I don't see myself with [the] Kings beyond 2008-09.

"I think I made the biggest mistake by staying in my contract and I have to live with it," Artest said. "I had some misleading information [in making the] decision on not opting out. [But] I still thank G-d for all his blessings and being able to play basketball and help people."

Who misled Ron? His agent? Don't worry, Ron-Ron: it's not because Mark Stevens has shady motives, it's because you're his only client and he seems to know less than he think he does.

Don't worry, really. Either the team overperforms and you're on a winner, or Geoff Petrie will deal you to a playoff team by the deadline. No frets, man.

Also: I have no clue why ESPN.com editors or Marc Stein himself would bleep the word "God." Damn Heathens!

UPDATE, 6:09 p.m.: I now know why the 'o' would be omitted in the word 'God.' Thank you to Josh for setting me straight. I apologize to Stein and anyone I may have offended. I'm just a dumb Catholic.

UPDATE #2, 6:10 p.m.: By 'I'm just a dumb Catholic,' I mean to say 'I am dumb and a Catholic,' not that Catholics are by definition dumb. I apologize to His Holiness and Denis Leary.

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LOL!!!

Shit, it must be Tuesday…Artest is longing to be somewhere else. See you all tomorrow at the same time!!

Kevin Pritchard stole my daughter's lunch money.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT   0 recs

I've said it before and I'll say it again

I don’t know what we’re going to write about around here once Ron leaves. The kid breaks me up. What a wacky funster.

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:02 PM PDT   0 recs

It was good Ron that gave bad Ron bad advice

LPA will tell you I called this though. Artest looked at Davis and Brand and thought, “Dang, I’m worth more than both of them.” Is there anyone out there now who thinks we shouldn’t trade Artest? He is about one thing. The money. Trade him to a team that covets him and don’t ever look back!!!!!!

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 4:02 PM PDT   1 recs

Well said

What Artest doesn’t understand, and to this end this is where his agent failed him, is that despite lack of physical cap space, it’s possible for other teams to swing sign & trades for both Davis and Brand. Very few teams are willing to invest those kinds of dollars for Artest on the market like they are for Davis and Brand.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's true, I tell ya

He said it. I was there. We laughed. Dr. Pepper came out his nose.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2008 4:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah. Got my finger all sticky too.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

Ron-Ron found out that Circuit City is closing some of the Sacramento stores.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   1 recs

LOL

You Sac fans are a riot.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2008 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We have reason to be

We’re from Sacramento. We don’t get 75 degree days in July.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Ron wanted to be traded

He just hurt his value by opening up his mouth. Or maybe it made him even more interested in securing a deal for 2009.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:06 PM PDT   0 recs

One other point

Didn’t Ron say how much he loved Sac? I mean wasn’t he on the radio shows changing everyone’s opinion of him? What happened to that guy?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:07 PM PDT   0 recs

He stopped taking his Ritalin

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not his fault

Carmichael Dave mistook Ron’s pills for jujubees.

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew!

Thanks for explaining two mysteries!

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jul 3, 2008 10:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

It explains my volatility in arguing mundane things.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A new day

Uh ya he loved us yesterday and probably will love us tomorrow and hate us monday. It’s Ron being Ron ie. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!

by Samhuff999 on Jul 1, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

What does he have to gain from shooting his mouth off to the media now? If he has a beef he should take it up with his agent. Mouthing off now only diminishes his value.

by KingsFan on Jul 1, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trying to force a trade?

It’s beyond comedy at this point. If you wrote it as a prediction 12 months ago, people would have called you crazy.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shhh...

You’re not supposed to use the word cr@zy in Ron Artest threads – he doesn’t like it.

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I volunteer to be stabbed first

Or at least have a kitchen pot thrown at my Hummer windshield.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What that he would change his mind every 10 days? (And many times between that)

I think it’s important to remember that this seemed to be a bad market, and that Brand/Davis’ decisions were unusual in their own right. But it isn’t totally out-right shocking either, but then again, neither guy is Artest. Artest is just mad that he isn’t on the market for a big contract, and that’s why he’s popping off. (Anybody who bothered to read these 4 lines knows how I feel about the back & forth of Ron with his contract.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Step right up

and buy those season ticket packages, fans. Ron Artest is back and he’s happy to be here!

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 4:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Perhaps the marketing department

could use this to sell a little excitement and a few Clash Packs.

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whelp

So much for long-term Ron I am sure we won’t find a person to spend that money on.

by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 4:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Maybe Ron is just pissed

that GP didn’t call him at 9:01 with an extension offer?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 4:27 PM PDT   0 recs

I, for one, was under the impression that Ron Ron was censoring himself

I mean, it’s important to be image conscious in times like this right?

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by JakeTheSnake on Jul 1, 2008 4:28 PM PDT   0 recs

The ironic thing Jake

For Ron that is image conscious. Nice slogan btw.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh Jesus H. Christ

The Goddamned deadline was LAST NIGHT. How can you flip flop 180 degrees every twelve hours?

Dear Geoff Petrie,

Put those suitcases down and cancel your flight to Maui. I’m sorry, but your offseason isn’t over in early July like it has been the last couple of years. We’re real sorry that you have to delay your summer vacation, but Artest has gone off the reservation again. He says he doesn’t want to be here less than ONE DAY after agreeing to stay with the Kings. It’s time to make a move. I know, I know YOUDONTWANNA!!!! but you don’t have a choice. You MUST trade Ron Artest. Now.

Sincerely,

Carl

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 4:46 PM PDT   2 recs

Carl you're classic

And I 100% agree with you.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron Artest does not do 180 degree turnarounds!
The Goddamned deadline was LAST NIGHT. How can you flip flop 180 degrees every twelve hours?

He only does 100 degree turnarounds!

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jul 3, 2008 10:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

...

Dude’s gotta vent to someone media is a TERRIBLE choice, but seriously…

If you thought you just lost out on several million dollars how would you feel? Dude can’t play ball forever, he’s gotta have money to enjoy life after the game.

by dkons21 on Jul 1, 2008 4:53 PM PDT   0 recs

He hasn't lost out on anything

Would he make more somewhere else if he opted out? Doubtful. If he plays his ass off for the Kings next year and keeps his nose clean, he will make up whatever money he just “lost”.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 10:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They didn't censor Ron

I think Ron actually said G 2 the D like a homey. Writer didn’t know how to put that in words.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Hey guys

Ron just e-mailed me and said that after recieving a $25 Cinnabon gift certificate from Sign Man he’s changed his mind again and is happy to be here.

by rbiegler on Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   3 recs

Oh my lord

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another Classic!

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amick: Artest flip flop based on a conversation with Petrie this morning

Sam Amick says that Artest, his agent and Petrie talked this morning. Artest was apparently under the impression that the Kings were going to give him an extension. Read the whole post.

You can’t say this isn’t an interesting offseason.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 5:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up Carl
Stevens, who was unaware of Artest’s comments, said “I’m not even near a TV, so I can’t even respond to something I haven’t seen….Whatever his reasons for feeling that way is, well we’ll just see. I’m not going to respond to it.” – Sam Amick
That’s my favorite part of the quote. And my 2nd favorite is the “impression” that the Kings would re-sign Artest to a long term deal. I’ve mentioned this before, and I’m going to have to dig up the “diary” where it was posted under, but I think that merits mentioning, and everything that was said by Joe Maloof. That’s where I believe this is stemming from.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 5:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To that end

Here was the original FanPost submitted by Mityt. The actual conversation was had on the Daily Dish when JA Adande subbed for Chad Ford. I’ll try to find it, but I’m willing to bet it’s too old now.

Basically for those who don’t know, Joe essentially hinted that there would be an extension down the road for Artest if he didn’t opt out of his contract.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another point to be made by Smgmatt--which included an excellent entry on something related

Hitting the circuit?

I was listening to Joe Maloof on Jim Rome’s radio show sometime last week (pushing their appearance on “Oprah’s Big Give” or something) and he was saying the same things (paraphrased quotes):

  • “Gavin loves him”
  • “We hope Artest doesn’t opt out”
  • “If he doesn’t opt out, we’d like to offer him a long-term deal”—I found this interesting because he never mentioned offering Artest a long-term deal if he did opt out
  • “We don’t think he’s going to opt out, but that’s up to Artest and his agent”

Not exactly definitive, but he sounded very serious about keeping Ron Ron around, if possible. If nothing else, he’s in their plans.

Furthermore, I got the same impression as Pookey about his lack of interview skills as well, and find it even more interesting that he apparently said pretty much the same things and still didn’t sound more comfortable/confident (full disclosure: I haven’t listened to the JA interview yet).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome

I was just thinking about this as I was reading through the comments and wondering if I should dig it up. Glad I don’t have to!

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm
Stevens, who was unaware of Artest’s comments, said "I’m not even near a TV, so I can’t even respond to something I haven’t seen….Whatever his reasons for feeling that way is, well we’ll just see. I’m not going to respond to it." – Sam Amick

He doesn’t make enough off of Ron to buy an IPhone or Blackberry? No wonder there’s been so much “miscommunication” between the parties.

The scab is off, the wound bleeds again.
-lietothegirls

by KK on Jul 3, 2008 10:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron is as bi-polar as it gets. Now he has a full season of being booed on the road and at home, while also being underpaid. I can’t think of a more deserving homo-sapien.

by LiquidPolio on Jul 1, 2008 5:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Labeling him a Homo-Sapien is being kind in my view

But to each they own I suppose.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 5:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My Thoughts

My thoughts were pretty long-winded, so I made it a fan post. My position is that Ron ain’t crazy, kind of a continuation of Muff’s post that blzrfan linked above.

Right as I posted it, I saw Carl’s note about how it was based on a convo between GP and Artest, so maybe I’m not as clever as I thought, but screw it! :)

"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest

by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2008 5:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Oh Ronald....

...you so crazy!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 1, 2008 5:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Can our owners

Let our GM do his job without talking to the press about contract issues? Buffoons….

by discocricket on Jul 1, 2008 5:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Should've waited on that Beno deal,

Baron just signed with the clips for 65 mill.

by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 5:53 PM PDT   0 recs

You know what ...

Ron can go screw himself. Seriously. I am no longer entertained by his shenanigans. If I want to be entertained I’ll go play video games or watch a movie. What I want out of my Kings is to see a championship, or in the meantime to see a potential path to a championship. As long as Ron is going back and forth with this crap it perturbs the team both with management and with the coaching staff / players. It needs to end one way or another real soon.

by thekangarooster on Jul 1, 2008 6:20 PM PDT   1 recs

Credit to Baron Davis

It’s a credit to Baron Davis for taking a pay cut to go to another team. Whenever people say, “What guy would ever pass up guaranteed money to play for another team?” Baron Davis would.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 6:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Still not enough

I’m still not sure if this is enough to get the Clippers into the playoffs. Adding Davis and losing Maggette looks to me like a .500 team, and maybe slightly better, assuming Brand is healthy.

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pay cut?

65 million versus 17 million?

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 10:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Where do I sign up

for that pay cit?

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by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 10:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny

When you guys find out where you sign up, go tell Ron. I heard he’s dissapointed

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 1, 2008 10:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah but

he’s guaranteed 65 million over the next 5 years instead of 17 million for just this year. So he has an additional 48 million dollars guaranteed to him, in other words his salary “decrease” just made him more than the value of beno’s entire contract.

by Viliphied on Jul 1, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and you said

What guy would ever pass up guaranteed money to play for another team?"

he “passed up” negative 48 million dollars. Not a tough choice.

by Viliphied on Jul 2, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

There is a very good chance he’s making more money over the term of the Clipper deal than he would have had he played out the final year of his contract with GS then went shopping. His own history of injury trumps all here, IMO.

Just saying Carl, you are applying altruistic motives here, but I’m thinking money is a huge factor in this decision.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 2, 2008 5:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

It’s simply stating that he may not have gotten a 4-year $48M deal next season, which is by no means a guarantee had he waited.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not only that

He gets to play with a player of Elton Brand’s caliber for the next 5 years conceivably. Why wouldn’t you go that route?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haven't heard much

from the “Keep Artest” camp. Strange.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 6:49 PM PDT   0 recs

The keep Artest camp trumps up when things are going well for Ron

When things are going poorly for Ron, or someone really criticizes him in poor taste in the pro Ron camp’s view, then it’s egregious. I’m beginning to believe Ron’s fans are the same people who think Paris Hilton is a genius.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For sure

And they sure were active last night when he didnt opt out at the deadline. Interesting.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 1, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yuppers. exactamundo.

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by iashwash on Jul 2, 2008 7:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Stop being a Puerta Rican

And start speaking Latin for godsakes!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PuertO Rican, fool

Don’t dip on what you jealous of, paisano.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 2, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL!!!!!!

I wish I could remember who said that, I think it was Dan Quayle, but he actually said why aren’t any of these people, in a Latin American country, why weren’t they speaking latin? (It was on VH1’s “40 dumbest celeb quotes of all time.”)

(I’ll let you get away with the paisano remark for now.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Save Ron Artest!

I had to head out of town this morning, sorry I missed the fun! I still think Ron CAN be saved from himself. I still think he’s a top 5 SF in this league. I don’t know exactly what petrie and the maloofs are planning – but I hope its an extension at reasonable money once the team shows it is close to being a winner – OR a trade for some REAL assets.

If someone mentions S Marion (cancer) in a Kings uniform again – I’ll puke!
If someoe mention marbury in Kings uniform – I start cleaning my gun.

Now, you want a trade?

MIAMI/Clippers – do a sign and trade Brand for Marion
Miami/Kings – Artest + KT for Haslem and Beasley +

That lets Miami win now – ala Celtics, and gives us a SF for today and a GREAT SF/PF for tomorrow.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2008 7:34 PM PDT   0 recs

This is the stuff that blows my mind

How is Marion a cancer and Ron isn’t? If Marion is a cancer, then I think Ron is too. If Ron isn’t a cancer, then I don’t think Marion is either. I doubt the Clips will be moving Brand, since they signed Baron. I think they are trying to win now. I agree that talent wise Artest is good, but I don’t see him as a part of our long term future.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't attempt to understand it

Just nod your head and say “un huh”. It’s like watching Paris Hilton describe Wall Street Fortune as a book, only it’s not that obviously out there. (Out there being code for dumb btw.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think he's dumb

and I don’t think he’s irrational. But for the life of me, I can’t follow his thought process on this issue. Guess I never will.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While it was just mentioned above

It must be asked again, how is Marion a cancer and Ron not a cancer? While I am definitely not a Marion fan, I think you’d have a hard time winning this argument with anyone.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs