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The Only Explanation: Ron Artest Has Bad Representation

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As Carl noted in the previous thread, Sam Amick offers more depth to that story from ESPN's Marc Stein from earlier this afternoon.

The backstory here involves a conference call the small forward had this morning with Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie and Artest's agent, Mark Stevens. It appears that Artest was under the impression that there was a high likelihood the Kings would discuss his eventual signing to a long-term extension. But after numerous sources have said for months that such a move was highly unlikely, Artest and Stevens had continued to talk as if it was a strong possibility.

Petrie said in a phone interview minutes ago that he had a "candid" conversation with Artest but that "he wasn't too inclined to (say) much further than that."

If Artest thought Petrie was going to drop a multi-year deal on his lap this morning after desperately trying to trade him for Linas Kleiza and Eduardo Najera at the deadline, then Ron-Ron has received painfully poor information. No one in the world -- except Ron and his agent, apparently -- thought there'd be a chance the Kings would lock Artest up this summer.

If this stems from those Joe Maloof comments a few months ago -- basically, Maloof told a few radio shows the team would consider offering Artest a long-term deal only if he did not opt out -- then it's even worse. I assume Stevens knows how to reach Petrie. There's no excuse to be this misinformed about the team's very obvious plans.

This hurts Artest, just like Stevens' statement in 2006 that Artest did not want to play in Sacramento hurt, and just like Stevens' meddling in the trade talks this past winter likely hurt. Has Stevens done one thing in Ron's best interest?

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I think what this proves TZ is

that most players around the NBA feel that the Maloof’s have an open pocketbook based on past dealings with Bibby & Wells mainly. I think that’s the reason Artest really believe he’d get a great offer is because Joe was floating the idea that he’d get something if he showed loyalty this season.

You’re talking about Petrie, but Petrie didn’t give that camp the news they wanted, so they believed what Joe was saying publicly. It’s hard to believe an agent is this dumb, but then again, Bonzi Wells already happened.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 6:55 PM PDT   0 recs

That is actually a big problem

How tough would it be to be a closed mouth GM who tries to go out and get the job done when your owners say the first thiung that pops into their head? Then who gets to bring down the hammer and look like the bad guy?

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2008 7:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Calm down a little Ron Ron

The only way out of this mess for Ronnie is for him to put it all out on the floor. Now he’s playing for that contract! He had a good year last year, but I believe in order for the Kings to make the playoffs and for Ron to make the money he thinks he deserves, he needs to step it up a notch. Then he’ll have the entire town on his side and he’ll get his 15 mil a year.

Lakers suck!

by Doubysmoker on Jul 1, 2008 7:19 PM PDT   0 recs

I'll be shocked if that happens

And I’m quitting as a Kings fan when it does.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still say

We use Ron to acquire a top flight point guard. I don’t think Beno is a good enough point guard.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jul 1, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well then, I bet you’re glad we didn’t give Beno the MLE for the full five—waaaaaaaaaaait a minute…

"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest

by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really, really unlikely

Petrie has to know that Artest must be traded now. I can’t imagine that Petrie is so dense that he’ll continue holding on to Artest at this point. My only real worry is that Artest has just damaged his value (again) or made other teams think the Kings are desperate, lowering offers and making Petrie hold on to him until the deadline (again).

by Carl on Jul 1, 2008 8:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Carl tbh...

This is day 5 of the Ron hates us or loves us feud. I am pretty sure any team would know what they are getting even before he opened his mouth today.

by moproblemz on Jul 1, 2008 8:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron loves us tomorrow

It’s only a day away

"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest

by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought Ron was a ball hog last year

I’m not looking forward to “I’m puttin’ up stats so I can get paid Ron”.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2008 10:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It'll only be a problem

when he decides to play.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jul 1, 2008 10:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone wondering why I consider it a damaging move to not accept Denver's offer?

This is why.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 5:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I did think

They might lock him into a reasonable compromise contract. They MUST get real value for him if they don’t.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2008 8:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Good luck with that

You do realize that this is Ron Artest right?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 5:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PETRIE,PETRIE,PETRIE,PETRIE!Try to play a player you get caught in a trap!!!Ron got played and GM is going to look genius again!!

by tomikat on Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM PDT   0 recs

I can't wait for the day he leaves our team.

Come on guys. Artest problem is not bad representation obviously. Everybody knows that the guy is mad. He is not a sane person and that’s the simple truth. Doesn’t anyone remember that Ron changed his mind about 6-7 times the past months about opting out? 3 of them was in the past week for gods sake! lol Now he just did it again. Totally unloyal, just crazy.

All we can do now is put up with him for one more season or trade him if something really special comes along (which I don’t think it will).

Ideally we should sideline him for half a season and let our youngsters play more.

by ZenBaller on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Artests agent

is horrible. and thats the truth. Ron needs new representation.

by LivesInSac on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM PDT   0 recs

And a personality transplant

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 1, 2008 10:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And a sane pill that kicks in anytime he wants to break things

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 5:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"...anytime he wants to break things"

You mean, like our hearts?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jul 2, 2008 7:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay my original reaction to Artest coming to the Lakers was this

I’m a Lakers fan now. Yes, and I’m not kidding. That’s how much I do not like the guy. Never have, and I never will. I have never wanted him on the team, and I have railed his being part of it at every juncture. I have the diaries and the 5000 comments to prove it. (And that was a year after he was here too.) So when it comes to my heart he never penetrated it. Soapbox is safely put back now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 7:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Artest coming to the Kings^

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 7:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems like I touched a nerve

A nerve…near your heart? Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Just kidding.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jul 2, 2008 7:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You didn't

I just thought I’d explain where my dissatisfaction with the Artest’d one comes from.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron was not going to get paid this year,

and I really cannot see any team investing in him long-term he’s just too much of a distraction. This has been the same story for as long as we have had him, and if he thinks he got a raw deal then he’s wrong. No team was going to pay him over the MLE this year and guess what he’s making more than the MLE so congrats Ron your agent made you 2 million dollars.

As far as your long-term value, the Nuggets sold there pick and wouldn’t give up Kleiza, so unless you think Kleiza is a max contract, again, you’re not getting paid.

Moral of the story, you are not going to get paid big money. No rebuilding team with cap room will sign you as you are poison. The only way you are making money is the MLE on a contender.

by moproblemz on Jul 2, 2008 7:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Not sure how what he says to the media is relevant

It won’t affect how he plays – which is very, very hard and generally very good. Though he is not always a good fit for our cast of characters on the offensive side of the ball. (Ron would play his ass off if he were playing 3 on 3 at the park with 5 Joe Schmozes. Dude, just likes to play.)

This is kind of stuff is just cannon fodder for the media and for the really intense fans (read: all of us) that actually still give a crap about the Kings and the NBA during the off-season. It’s interesting and annoying, but, at the end of the day, not very relevant because Ron will never not give you a 120% effort. The guy earns his paycheck.

I don’t care what Ron says regarding his contract status or his pay. It changes from day-to-day as he is one of those people that says whateve happens to be on his mind at that very second – sans any sort of social filter. In some way, he reminds me of a very earnest 2nd grader: The big difference is that it’s cute when a 7 year old busts out in a stream of consciousness rant; it’s much less so when a grown man doesn’t know he ought not.

by Kusian on Jul 2, 2008 8:13 AM PDT   1 recs

Well said, in fact very well said at that

Aside from the somewhat pro keeping Artest point, I agree with everything said.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 8:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I got sort of a soft spot for Ron because of his effort level. As a former athlete/coach at the high school and college level, I can tell you guys that give it all they have consistently are very, very rare.
Doesn’t not take away from the valid points made by you and others that he can, at times, hurt our offense and take away from the growth potential of our younger players.

But, dude has got heart and pride. I f*cking love that…

by Kusian on Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I got sort of a soft spot for Ron because of his effort level. As a former athlete/coach at the high school and college level, I can tell you guys that give it all they have consistently are very, very rare.
Doesn’t not take away from the valid points made by you and others that he can, at times, hurt our offense and take away from the growth potential of our younger players.

But, dude has got heart and pride. I f*cking love that…

by Kusian on Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And why shouldn't you?

The problem is that Ron can’t harness his total overall abilities into an effective team scheme.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the Kings may have lucked out...

With Baron Davis taking off and screwing the W’s I think that Mullin might be in the mood to make a deal to improve his roster. I think that Petrie can go out and get Brandon Wright straight up for Ron Artest at this point, really helping both teams. Mullin has been interested in the past and with the drafting of Randolph I see Wright as a duplicate player. Even if Mullin made this deal, he would still have the cap space to deal a pick or sign and trade Peitrus for Felton.

Just a couple of ideas running through my head.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 9:41 AM PDT   0 recs

Yeah I'd be willing to do that too

Brandan Wright for Ron-Ron doesn’t work straight up so other players would have to be included to make that deal work financially.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The W's are 20 million under the cap.

They should be able to absorb the salary without penalty. If not, then sign and trade Peitrus to us along with Wright, I love both of these guys.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You are correct

I forget about not having Baron’s contract on the books. So yes that deal is possible. That also means, in case you were wondering, that would create a trade exception of something like 5 million dollars, not that I think the Kings would use it being so close to the luxury tax. But using part of it to get a quality backup is fairly likely.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you're crazy

But if that happened I’d be thrilled.

The biggest obstacle is that their $10M (or whatever it was exactly) trade exception expired on July 1.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah that is a big obstacle I agree

But it also shows that money was on their mind.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 10:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DOH!

As jj points out above, the Warriors are now under the salary cap so this isn’t a problem at all, actually.

I guess sometimes it’s easy to over think these things.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy to miss

How many teams are ever actually under the cap?

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 2, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

It did just happen, but that almost makes it worse.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Clippers are proof

That one team’s set of player’s opt out can have a lasting effect for the whole league.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And why...

Simply waiting on 2010 may not be the best (or ONLY) option.

The sooner you can get a team under the salary cap, the sooner they can make moves.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am ready to write a giant post on this exact thing.

I think the plan has been accelerated.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The likelihood of Bosh/Wade/LeBron ending up here is so slim

With so many teams looking to gain cap space for that very season.+

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I look for the Kings to make their splash now, nexxt season and...

at the trade deadline in 2010 before the craziness starts. Teams looking to clear up space will jump at B. Mill, SAR, K-9 and MM. The Kings can load up on picks and good players with these other yahoos trying to land the big fish.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed!

people are looking to the summer of 2010 as some sort of golden calf. i say take the certainty of picks and players. no gigantic, franchise-changing free agent will come to sacramento anyway. the reality of the small market is you’ve got to build your core pieces through drafting and trades.

by beevenator on Jul 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was one of those people for a long time but...

I think I can see the plan taking shape. Maybe I’m crazy and don’t know my ass from a hole in the ground but I see this rebuild happening sooner rather than later.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

is it possible

That Petrie’s announced 2010 plan was a smokescreen to get good for 09?

by misterbrister on Jul 2, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe Petrie is really trying to be ready for 2011

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Always a good idea

to take advantage of the movements of the masses. So I agree we should be able to get very good value having expiring deals at that time.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did anyone hear Artesticles on Carmichael Dave's show last night?

He pulled out the old Sprewell line about how he has to support his family. Unbelievable, last time I checked 8.5 mil(this is how much he said he makes this year) will support a shit load of families.

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 2, 2008 10:43 AM PDT   0 recs

$7.4 million

buys a lot of mac & cheese. Or even organic cookies.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If I had a (7.4) million dollars
We wouldn’t have to eat Kraft Dinner
But we would eat Kraft Dinner
Of course we would, we’d just eat more
And buy really expensive ketchups with it
That’s right, all the fanciest ke… dijon ketchups!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But not a real green dress.

That’s cruel.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

8.5 mil came straight from ron's mouth

however, he also said he made a 100 degree turn around.

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Save Ron Artest

Or get really, truly good value for him.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2008 10:45 AM PDT   0 recs

Beautiful!

Never mess with a Sicilian in matters of death!

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Slightly more well known

Also, don’t start a land war in Asia.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Inconceivable!

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Anybody

Want a peanut?

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see Artest running around Sacramento right now...

you killed my future earnings…prepare to die.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard..

Stevens has six fingers.

by misterbrister on Jul 2, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard

He was the Dread Pirate Roberts.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How come nobody wants to be Prince Humperdink?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because that guys a tool.

I think the role could be played by Eric Musselman.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe the correct term

was “vomitous mass”

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want a commission for that

As I believe I’m one of the many on here who understand what that whole conversation is about.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron's agent

The fact that Ron is now unhappy has nothing to do with the advice he got. If he had opted out and shopped his services on the open market, he would have found it virtually impossible to get the same money or more. His agent gave Ron the best possible advice in order to keep his client earning at his current level.

What Ron’s unhappy about is that he was flatly told “thanks for your help, but you’re not part of our future plans, so, um, that big fat extension you’re expecting? Not gonna happen.”

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 2, 2008 10:45 AM PDT   0 recs

IMO your wrong.

The Warriors are desperate and would probably make him an offer around 10 mill a year.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 2, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If they'd offer $10M

Then they just might be crazy enough to offer B.Wright.

by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nods

Indeed, they need to make a splash right now – teaming up Artest and SJax, as scary as it would be pretty much anywhere else, would probably be a huge hit in Oaktown.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 2, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up