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Why Hasn't the Media Gone Ballistic Over Brad Miller?

Remember when Josh Howard's long-known affinity for offseason weed throttled the sports media during the playoffs, basically shutting down ESPN TV for an entire Friday? As the media remains rather quiet on Brad Miller's suspension, Shoals at The Sporting Blog raises an excellent point.

I don't mean to raise any hackles here, but Miller's career has had some serious ups and downs. Howard's, with the exception of 2007-08's troubled second half, has been one big upward trend. Miller beat the odds, but was mediocre for a while; Howard established himself as a force in his first season on a playoff-bound Mavs team. Oh, and Howard came out and admitted this hobby of his unprovoked, just to try and be honest, while Miller's been straight busted.

It's true, I'm something of a Howard apologist. But how is Miller's drug intake not more worthy of condemnation than Howard's?

The traditional basketball byproduct of weed has been believed to be uneven, inconsistent focus. This could be a complete myth, but: Chris Webber, Jason Williams, Keon Clark, Brad Miller. Uneven, inconsistent focus ... that sound about right?

The reported reason for Miller's bad focus in 2006-07 -- and I heard straight from his mouth at media day last year -- was family problems, with the premature birth of his daughter Anniston and a harrowing set of health issues at home. But what about late in 2005-06, when Miller vacillated between vital and awful? What about sections of 2007-08, when Brad shrunk from 'double-doubles animal-style' to 8 points/3 rebounds against the Heat?

I'm not asking the media to go ballistic over this, and I know Shoals isn't either. Marijuana in professional sports should probably be treated with less hysteria, if anything. But the sheer imbalance of coverage in these cases, and the lack of any investigation or analysis as to how the smokers actually hurt their teams is a bit appalling. If Josh Howard deserves weeks of public flogging, so does Brad.

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cause Howard actually came out and admitted that he smokes during the off-season.

Has Miller said he smokes the weed?

by what_the_crap on Jul 11, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has the media never made painfully obvious leaps of faith before?

The only way to get a 5-game suspension for breaking the league’s anti-drug policy is a third marijuana offense. Brad got a 5-game suspension for breaking the league’s anti-drug policy. Not a tremendous leap of faith.

by Ziller on Jul 11, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

and I do agree that part of the reason why is because no one outside of Sac really cares about the Kings.

I wanna see how Peaches responds to this, after the way he responded to Howard.

by what_the_crap on Jul 11, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Howard-Cooper points out the following:
The reason for Brad Miller’s five-game suspension will undoubtedly drift into a forever mystery. That’s the secrecy of the anti-drug policy. The team is not informed what caused the discipline, the few people who do know have historically kept the silence like no other silence is kept in this loose-lips league, and Miller can disclose or not disclose without worry of the truth coming out. He can claim the discipline is for something as low grade as missing a required drug test and have great confidence that no one in position to know the truth will publicly confirm or call him a liar.

Bold is for emphasis.

Scott’s full article here.

Not sayin’ I believe it and, unfortunately, I haven’t been able to confirm this part of the CBA via Google.

Let me be clear, I don’t believe that a missed drug test was the reason for the suspension but SH-C brought up the possibility. I think, if he’d had such an out, he would have already played that card in the media.

Looking back on the Webber suspension, there was some forshadowing (sp?) in his suspension based off of his Wizards problems. I don’t remember reading (and can’t find by googling) any previous Miller problems with law enforcement that mention weed.

-Another pointless post by KK.

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by KK on Jul 11, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting

Although, I’d think that if it was a missed drug test, he’d say it pretty quickly. Why wouldn’t he if that was the case?

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you SB.

I only pointed out that H-C’s article pointed out that there was more than one reason for a five game suspension and my own disappointment over my inability to track down more solid information on what earns a player a five game suspension under the current NBA CBA,

Reiterating: I personally believe it was a third strike marijuana violation. Scott Howard-Cooper points out that you get five for not submitting to a mandatory test. Either way, a boneheaded move.

I was trying to tie Webber’s traffic stop for speeding while a Wizard, combined with the reported roach in his ashtray during that traffic stop as a precursor to his MJ suspension once he came to the Kings. Webber had a public record for MJ usage.

I haven’t been able to find that for Miller. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one, nor does it mean that it doesn’t exist, I just haven’t been able to find it.

It doesn’t mean that I excuse Miller any more than I excused Webber. I don’t excuse either. I guess (to me) that the Webber, Williams, Taylor, et al suspensions happened early in my naivete curing curve, Miller’s happened much closer to the peak.

I hope that made sense.

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by KK on Jul 11, 2008 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. I agree

Usually there is some kind of whispering before the 3rd strike. I was really surprised too.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 12, 2008 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few factors led to the difference in coverage
  • Howard was busted (as I recall) either during the the playoffs or on the verge of them. This makes for more attention than being busted before camp ever starts.
  • Howard’s comments raised people’s hackles. I don’t find a problem with what he said, but it was stupid in the sense that it gave the media something to run with. It gave the TV media a soundbite – and that’s all they’re good bad for – repeating stupid ass soundbites over and over. The TV media in this country are worse than useless. Their incessant coverage of ridiculous and trivial issues, to the absolute exclusion of anything important, just encourages constant mock outrage.
  • Howard is black and Miller is white.

by Carl on Jul 11, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The two things that could be a factor:

1) No one cares about Brad Miller or the Kings.

2) Brad’s incident got attention in the offseason. Howard’s happened in the playoffs.

Still, ESPN loves the NBA in the summer, too.

by Ziller on Jul 11, 2008 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot the all-important third factor

3) Traditional media sucks. Traditional media is where the inadequacy, and inconcistency is – I think all Bloggers have stayed the same on this issue.

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by iashwash on Jul 11, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think both of those things hold weight

But let’s be honest – the difference in skin color has a huge amount to do with it as well. Brad’s a good old-boy! He was probably smoking it with a couple of his hunting buddies, just goofing around. And we know how much hunting he does – that probably explains the three strikes?

Josh Howard? Well shoot, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was smoking it somewhere in a back alley, while getting ready to sell it to the little kids down at the elementary school!!

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hunting

Yeah, it’s be way better if he was high while hunting….with all of his guns. lol.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 11, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If that was really what happened with Dick Cheney. :)

Although I doubt Mary Jane’s going to drive you to shoot your hunting buddy in the face. Maybe he got a bad Viagra.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN

featured both on their front page when they happened. Miller’s article drew 32 comments and died. End of story coverage.

Josh Howard’s original article came during the playoffs with how many comments? I think that may have played into the continuing coverage and flogging of the original incident.

Could be both reasons or a combination of all. Nobody cares about the Kings on a national front, Howard’s team was in the playoffs (or shortly outside of them). Could be a racial thing, but I think it’s more about what drives mainstream media. ESPN put Miller out there on the front page and nobody cared, They put Howard and Cuban’s Mavs out there and everyone had an opinion which drove more coverage.

If Miller had gotten this suspension in 2004 in tandem with Webber’s it would still be on the front page of ESPN.

But that’s just my opinion.

-KK

Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.

by KK on Jul 11, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That I think is the difference

MIller isn’t national news but Howard to an extent is.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can thank

Mark Cuban for that. You gotta know when to fold em, know when to hold ‘em, know when to STFU. He seems to be a guy with no inner monologue.

by misterbrister on Jul 12, 2008 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I think part of the reason it lingered was becuz of Cuban

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by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's simple

Howard threw like a bunch of NBA players under the bus when made his a bunch of people in the NBA do it anyways shenanigans.

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by kingme18 on Jul 11, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think TZ is right on with his first possibility

Who is Brad Miller relevant to during the middle of the summer other than a bunch of die-hard Kings fans. Medi in sacramento made a big deal out of it. But do you honestly think someone in Miami, or Chicago, or New York cares that Brad-who?-Miller got suspended. This is not about race. It’s not about religion. It’s about news. At the moment the only think that makes the Kings relevant in the rest of the NBA is Artest. Other than that, no one cares.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh, it's about race

At least to some extent.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're telling me that if it had been Mikki Moore the media would have given it

Howard’s coverage?

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will never know

But just because it’s not about race to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t about race in GENERAL.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee

This would’ve been a huge headline if it had been Douby. Oh my, I can imagine the pun-filled headlines now. I think Tony Kornheiser’s head would explode with joy.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I can’t believe it took this long for someone to bring Quincy into this.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's because we care less than most people

And don’t see this as THAT important.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not really being open minded

and reading what Savage Beast wrote.

It’s the fact that this team doesn’t matter nationally that killed the coverage. ESPN flew the front page banner for both original incidents. They drew 32 comments on the Miller article on the WorldWideLeader’s website for that article.

How many comments did Howard’s original “news” draw?

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by KK on Jul 11, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

The difference is, I think there are many factors involved in this, including the black/white issue. SB thinks race has nothing to do with this.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 12, 2008 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but

No, but that’s where the some extent part comes in.

by Carl on Jul 11, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This really is not an answerable issue because it's all hypothetical

And conversations suddenly turn dicey when race, politics, or religion gets involved. But I think you can say that anything is about race “to some extent” and no one can prove you wrong. So far no one was said, Donaghy was persecuted because he was white. If he had been a black referee would that have been about race to some extent as well? I’m Mormon, but if he had been Mormon, I wouldn’t have said he was targeted because of his religion.

Having been raised in a city where pretty much every race was well represented and also spending time in the army, where it was much more about who you wanted covering your back than what color their skin was, I’d love to discuss relevant issues without blaming the color of a guy’s skin. I don’t think Miller or Howard used marijuana because of their race, I don’t think they were caught because of their race, and I’d really like to think that the national media does not “persecute” one race more than any other.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Two things....

You made some good points, and I felt compelled to respond two a couple of minor ones.

...conversations suddenly turn dicey when race, politics, or religion gets involved.

You forgot to mention Music.

...I’d really like to think that the national media does not "persecute" one race more than any other.

Me too, but unfortunately I don’t believe that’s the case. I’d sure like to be wrong though.

by smgmatt on Jul 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Music

Now see, that’s what we need. A good flame throwing over music. I know lie-to-the-girls has some pretty strong ties to Barry Manilow. And isn’t Pookey a big Boy George fan?

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey was a roadie for Air Supply

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I know how he does it

Making posts out of nothing at all.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, that was frickin funny

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you eat a deep fried hamburger on a stick?

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm lying awake

with my head on the brake
I think that my left leg is gone
My ankle hurts too
And my face has turned blue
The ambulance won’t be long, won’t be lo-o-o-ong
I’m all out of blood, I’m so lost without it
It can’t be too late to get a transfusion

Wasn’t that one of their hits?

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The blonde I was with that night was so gorgeous...

that I could have been listening to Sinead Oconnor and I wouldn’t have noticed. I do remember the lead singer dancing around in what can only be described as a purple, satin blouse.

Even the nights are better….

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 11, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That hurts Otis

That cuts me deep it really does.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

I think LttG’s stance on Anti-Manilow fans is that if you aren’t a fan, then make sure you don’t let him perform on TV. How would you like to go up against him in the Emmy’s every year? DON’T LET HIM PERFORM ON TV!

Pookey has interest in Mr. O’Dowd, but it comes and goes.

by smgmatt on Jul 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Since when did I make it known I had a total infatuation with lame bands from the 80’s? (Because I do. I just didn’t know you all did. Dammit!)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just sad

I’m just sad that nobody caught (or liked) my “Artest to the East” parody for LttG.

The best thing I could think for you would be to write an extraordinary long fanpost about Boy George’s Solo career vs. his time with the Culture Club, but as it was I had to go to Wikipedia to even get his real name, so I went with a simple “Karma Chameleon” pun instead.

by smgmatt on Jul 12, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impressive indeed

About the only thing I don’t admire is George’s song writing, penchant for drag, or his drug habits. Other than that he’s totally awesome.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm, ok

If Donaghy had been black, the story may have been different in many ways. Would people have been less likely to believe his story of corrupt officials if he was black? My guess is yes. And I honestly believe if Donaghy was Mormon, the response would have been different as well, considering the country’s generally negative perception of the Mormon religion might nearly be as strong as it’s negative perception of some of our minorities.

And it’s ridiculous to bring up a scenario of Donaghy being persecuted because he is white. Unless white’s were somehow oppressed by a majority of the citizens of this country at some point? Don’t think so.

It’s clear that you feel no different about the Miller or Howard situations due to their skin color. Great. But we are talking about how the major media of this country deals with these issues – the same media that has shaped much of this country’s negative feelings towards people of color, women and non-heterosexuals over the last 3 or 4 decades. I will always assume a racial bias by the media until such time as it’s obvious they no longer present the issues through that filter.

And since this country is still severly conflicted about these issues, and major media is about making money from the citizens of this country, it will be a long time before I believe these things are presented in an even-handed manner.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

The thing is, a conservative will tell you the mass media is liberal. A liberal will tell you the media is a vast right wing conspiracy. Many minorities (rece, religion, gender) will tell you the media paints them unfairly. But the majorities say the media panders to the minorities. I completely agree that there is a ton of biggotry in the world. I just tend to think that when everyone thinks the media is against them, it is probably somewhere in the middle. I’m willing to admit that am I probably wrong though. At least in this case :)

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a great point

Most groups do think the media is against them. The only thing the media cares about, from what I can tell, is money though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what does it mean

When I think that the media is against “others”? Does that give it any more credence, or is it still just a biased opinion?

I’m really curious, because I wouldn’t be surprised of that was, indeed, the case.

by smgmatt on Jul 12, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Study history,

there’s more than a passing similarity in Obama’s comparison to JFK…and why mainstream media keeps bringing it up.

There had never been an Irish-American presidential candidate prior to JFK. Why? “Whites” are not nearly as united against everyone else as you assume.

There had never been a Catholic presidential candidate prior to JFK. Why? See previous paragraph.

Having been raised in California I lack most of that racial awareness of our country’s treatment of anyone “different”, but my East Coast relatives can tell you exactly how the Irish in America were treated.

Google NINA laws (no Irish need apply), Google indentured servitude, Google Great Britain’s deportation laws that ended up populating Australia, google the Irish famine of 1849, then google the treatment of Jews throughout at least five hundred years of European and American history. Google the history of the Mafia in America and ask yourself why that came to be. My opinion? Just like every other oppressed minority, they did what that had to do in order to survive. Then google the shorter history of persecution of the Mormon religion. Study American immigration laws governing immigrants from historically Catholic countries, then google America’s shameful history in dealing with immigrants from Asian countries. I’m not even going to touch on our treatment of Latin American citizens, I’ll just say that if you study American history things haven’t changed.

I’m not trying to tell you that blacks haven’t been discriminated against in America. I‘m not going to tell you that African American citizens haven‘t faced the worst discrimination in America, but before you wrap yourself up alone in that persecution blanket please recognize that you’re gonna need a really big blanket if you want to take care of every group, white, brown, yellow, black and green, who have been wronged in this great country.

Personal anecdote: I visited New Orleans a couple of years before Katrina and while on a guided walking tour of the French Quarter we visited St. Louis Square and the gorgeous Cathedral there. We were all, obviously, Northerners and while the tour guide extolled the virtues of the square and cathedral and the money and labor required to build these magnificent edifices one smug dumbass/liberal asked her a pseudo-question. His question: "but didn’t you build all this with slave labor?" She: (obviously horrified) "No! Slaves were very valuable, you would never use a slave for this kind of work, it was too dangerous. If a slave died you would lose at least a thousand dollars. This was built by the Irish. If you lost an Irishman, you’d hire another one the next day to replace him".

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by KK on Jul 11, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Studied plenty of history

So I’m not sure of your point, other than “things change”. Well, yes – things have and do change in this country.

Overt racism is pretty much gone from this country – someone says something dumb (think Imus, Rush), the spotlight is thrown on them and they burrow back into their little holes.

But subtle racism continues to be part of everyday life. And that’s what I think is in play in this story. It’s not the main reason (as has been discussed above), but I think it’s there.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 12, 2008 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet their richer than absolute rich

Because they were subtle enough for awhile to get a bunch of dogturd dipshits to believe what they were saying. Nevermind they’‘re both of a bunch of dipshit crapfests of the mouth, but hey whatever works. White people gotta get angry about something, or the Jews, the Roman Catholics, the blacks, those damn Mexicans jumping the fence and the Commie symps like myself will destroy America. That’s what really forced Brad Miller to smoke that joint. He couldn’t handle being in the heart of liberal america, and it forced him to get high to cope with the pain.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too
I’d love to discuss relevant issues without blaming the color of a guy’s skin.

Me too. I’d also love to live in a world where race doesn’t matter, but that’s not the world we live in. To be clear, I’m not saying either player is more or less guilty because of his race or either player’s race is an excuse for anything. But I think it’s a (minor) factor in the coverage of this issue.

by Carl on Jul 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without getting too off-topic
I’m Mormon, but if he had been Mormon, I wouldn’t have said he was targeted because of his religion.

I am in no way, shape or form a Republican, but Mitt Romney took some unnecessary crap from the press because of his religion. I’m not one of these people who freaks out over every mention of race, religion, etc. I’m just saying that I recognize that it can cut both ways.

by Carl on Jul 11, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap. Meant to quote that, not cross it out.

Sorry about that – it should be a quote, not a cross out.

by Carl on Jul 11, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.

I was trying to figure out what the cross out meant. Glad you clarified. I agree, but the funny thing about that was that he got it from both side. The bible belt thought he wasn’t a real Christian and the more liberal media thought he was too religious. I guess that’s what I mean. It’s hard to say the media is any one thing, because it is a deverse as the people it reports to.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

My family background is Greek Orthodox, and the virulence of some of my relatives’ dislike of the Mormon religion is borderline scary. Definitely irrational.

I knew Romney’s candidacy was destined for failure. I think we will see a black female Jewish President before a Mormon one.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 11, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are probably right

Lots of senators on both the right and the left. But President is a whole new can of worms.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be because people would

have a problem with first wives.

Kidding. One LPA is plenty.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 11, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First wife? Only wife!

You couldn’t handle more than one of me, Cowboy.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 12, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's time to leave

SB and LPA want some “alone” time.

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by section214 on Jul 12, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I feel much better now.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 13, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Did you smoke afterwards…or during? Being Jewish, when I’m finished I smoke a herring.

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by section214 on Jul 13, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

During.

Definitely during.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 14, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being Irish,

I drink whiskey before, during, and after. Then I chase it with several Guinesses. Then we clog dance before the next round.

Probably explains some of my previous posts.

KK

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by KK on Jul 14, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may include race,

but I believe that it also has to do with what readers are interested in. BMiller’s NBA front page ESPN article drew 32 comments. How many did Josh Howard’s multiple articles draw? Also, how many articles were written based on overwhelming reader response to the original (and subsequent articles). Nobody cares about the Kings on the national front and Howard’s sound bite came out during the playoffs. It’s not all about race, but I can’t deny that it could be a part, a very small part, of the sparse coverage.

Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.

by KK on Jul 11, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, we somewhat agree

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Jul 12, 2008 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do indeed.

Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.

by KK on Jul 14, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the larger issue

was Howard nonchalance to the whole thing. He freely admitted it, and (to his credit) didn’t do too much backpedaling.

“Society” doesn’t like to have its conventions mocked, certainly not openly and without remorse.

by misterbrister on Jul 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not the only ones...
"Society" doesn’t like to have its conventions mocked…

Neither do nerds.

by smgmatt on Jul 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps this is why

“Your base are belong to us” is so huge… (in Japan) (That’s what she said)

by misterbrister on Jul 11, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he

wanted to purposely hurt his trade value because he want’s to stay in Sac?

by Fire Stern Now! on Jul 11, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All This is Silly

They’re not making a big deal of it because he doesn’t have a ‘bad rep’ that this builds on. I’M Pissed because I want to win every one of those five games if possible.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 11, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to go with one of Carl's assessments

Josh Howard is a relevant player for a relevant team and it happened at a relevant time (the playoffs) and he was under performing at the time. Brad is a (nationally) irrelevant player for a (nationally) irrelevant team and it happened at an irrelevant time and his current play is also irrelevant.

Final score: Irrelevant 4, Relevant 3.

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by section214 on Jul 11, 2008 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Damn Jews

Trying to outsmart everyone else by simply stating the obvious in amusing overtones. Damn you all! The Jewish Conspiracy is trying to take over rational thought!!!!! Everyone run for the Hills! The Jews are taking over the debate teams!!!!!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 11, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've been running the media for years

My job is to overtake the blogosphere. Shalom!

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jul 11, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take the stupidity away and I'll hand it over to you

with a big glossy gold key. (When you do that in the blogosphere, take it away from talk radio.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or at the very least make Mike Remy disappear

Mike Remy disappears, and the monster that is Peachosaurus Rex dies with him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I'd read your post

before I threw up all over this thread. You said it best. Rec+

My apologies to everyone else.

Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.

by KK on Jul 11, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

It was worth it, if for nothing other than this comment:

I threw up all over this thread

Classic.

by smgmatt on Jul 12, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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