Jason Thompson Moving up
JT just move up Thorpe's rookie rankings again. Thorpe says that JT would be a household name if he had gone to a big school. Petrie strikes again.
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I have to say
Thorpe’s comments are just his opinions. Sure he’s a well informed guy in many ways, and I find his opinions interesting. But after all they are just opinions, and maybe the guy which revealed how much of a draft hoax the draft can be is Joe Alexander. Under different circumstances he might be a rising hot prospect who dropped too low. It’s hard to say, but the fact that Greg Oden, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez (all players drafted before this season) are ahead of Thompson is an interesting thing. In fact, outside of Alexander’s poor performance in Vegas so far, the most intriguing thing about Thorpe’s ranking is how high he has Marc Gasol (3rd overall).
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression that Marc Gasol was a one dimensional player...
of the mold of dalembert just a guy with no offensive game and the ability to rebound and block shots. I guess dalembert makes good money, but it still seems odd how high he has him.
by moproblemz on Jul 15, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
we can get Thorpe to work with Thompson to develop him the same way Thorpe did Martin. It might be the case that Thorpe is a good coach to develop what qualities Petrie sees in these players he’s selecting. It seems like Thorpe is high on Thompson, as well.
by DustyG on Jul 15, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoyed...
...reading Thorpe’s stories on ESPN about his work with Martin. Seemed like a fresh take on something we don’t hear about very often. I mean, what happened to the days when players would spend their entire offseason devoted to perfecting a new, killer move?
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by Exhibit G on Jul 15, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did those days always happen?
Oscar Robertson once wrote that if players had the type of weight training and regimen that they do today the players of his generation would have been that much better. I think if anything players work out more than they did in the past.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're making different points
I would agree that players certainly work out more now than they used to. I was referring to when a player would spend his offseason working on a fallaway jumper, or adding a new move to their dribbling repetoir. I can’t think of any specific examples, sadly. It’s just something that stands out in my mind from when I was a kid (early 90s). Maybe its just the way I would rather remember things. Or maybe I sniffed too much glue as a kid.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 15, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you did sniff too much glue
I also think the “media” loves to purport how much a guy is working out. So I think that’s what it is, and you can take it for what it’s worth. (I, too, am a child of the 90’s and remember players reportedly working out more. Now that I’m not a child I think it’s complete bullshit.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm older than you guys, so I remember Magic adding a specific
tool to his game each year. One year it was a reasonable 3pt shot, one year it was the baby sky-hook, etc. I think this is where that kind of talk started. Though it may have started earlier. Magic’s entry into the league is about when I started watching basketball.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was notable with Magic because he was so popular
And he was constantly talked about while on TV and all that. (Jordan was similar in that he got better at pretty much everything as he got older. But in particular his defense, jump shooting and ball handling drastically improved from his youthful days.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: MJ's D
I’m not saying that you’re wrong about Jordan improving his Defense as he got older, but it’s not like he was a slouch to begin with…
The only year he won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year was in 1988, and he was on the NBA All-Defensive First Team 9 times straight (1988-1993, 1996-1998 . . . the gap being his MLB stint/”gambling suspension”* ).
*A favorite joke of Bill Simmons.
by smgmatt on Jul 15, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't just a joke
It’s an overblown forgotten aspect of his career. Most journalists ignore it because nobody wants to criticize Jordan. But there is no way Jordan quits at the prime of his career to play minor league baseball.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't done much research on the subject...
but I remember hearing a lot made of MJ injuring his thumb and skirting off to the MLB. Weren’t there some reports that came out after his MLB days which claimed he tore a tendon in the thumb of his shooting hand during the celebration of his championship prior to that whole episode?
by cabz on Jul 15, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't retire because of a torn tendon in your thumb
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk Nowitzki
was known for adding new toolsets in the offseason, till his choke session caused the media to stop saying good things about him.
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by iashwash on Jul 15, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Oscar Robertson
had been “much better” than he already was it’d break some kind of Eternal Law of Nature. Probably cause a black hole to form at the center of the galaxy or something.
You can make a reasonable argument that the Big O was the greatest basketball player of all time. I know it’s a well known fact but it’s worth repeating that the dude averaged a triple double in his second season in the league: 31 points, 12.5 rebounds, 11.4 assists. Man, I can barely wrap my brain around that!
And he came close to doing it several other seasons.
Averaged about 26 points a game over a thirteen season career that was entirely in the pre-three point era. I love looking up at that jersey in the rafters at Arco.
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 16, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't really want to argue
But the Big O is clearly the best player from Indiana. I’m pretty sure even Larry Legend would have a hard time arguing with that.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know Roberston was from Indiana!
They’ve cranked out some of the best, that’s for sure.
Sometimes when I’m bored and sitting in traffic or whatever I’ll start to go through little mind games, one of them being my personal list of the Greatest NBA Players of All Time.
I always shuffle Wilt, Jordan and my personal favorite, Kareem at the very top; with Russell and the Big O right behind them. Somedays I picture that unstoppable skyhook and Kareem wins the day, sometimes MJ slam dunks it, and more often than not Wilt pulls out the record book and convinces me.
Then I start arguing with myself about the rest: Magic, Bird, Karl Malone, Olajuwon, Jerry West, Dr J, etc. etc.
Then the light changes, or I see a good looking woman, and I forget about the argument.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 16, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what's more irritating
That a light makes you forget about the argument, or that it ranks up there in a forgetting category with a good looking woman.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 17, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All overall rankings of NBA players
are just opinions. PER, just opinions(Yes I know it’s based on stats, but the way each stat that goes into the formula is weighted is opinion based). MVP/All NBA, just opinions. Stein’s Power Rankings, opinion. So what? They are still interesting to see and discuss.
I noticed Alexander's drop too, interesting. Though we knew he was a bit inexperienced.You drop out all the players not drafted this season(Oden, Gasol etc.), and Thompson is #11.
We got him at 12! What a steal!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
I’m not against Thorpe’s opinions, and I’m not sure how to interpret the “if he was at a big school he would be a household name” line. I don’t care about how well known he is. I hope that he’s a stud of David West proportions perhaps. (Maybe I’m reaching too low though.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interpretation
I think Thorpe’s quote means that Thorpe thinks he’s underrated because he came from a small school, and his abilities have been underestimated.
by DustyG on Jul 15, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you...
he’d be #1 in these rankings mid-season.
by cabz on Jul 15, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think he'll be #1 by the end of preseason
In fact, we’ll probably need to invent a new number that is better than #1 in order for us to effectively describe his ranking.
Hyperbole is the best thing ever.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 15, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend not to take ESPN analysts too seriously...
They’re just like meteorologists, they have all the technical tools and scientific data to make projects based on hundreds of factors… but they are seemingly wrong as or more often than they are right.
Just like with weather, people are entirely unpredictable.
by dkons21 on Jul 15, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thorpe
He’s not so much a statistician, but a pure scout and coach. He’s a good alternative to Hollinger in that regard.
Also, I think he’s enjoyable to pay attention he’s more descripive than predictive—not trying to guess, but decribe tendencies and weak/strong points.
by DustyG on Jul 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for JT.
I’ll have to see if I can catch the next summer league game.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jul 15, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's on NBATV at 7pm tonight JC
That’s your next opportunity.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we email Thorpe
a better picture of JT? Poor kid looks like he’s just been told that he’s behind K9(woof!) on the depth charts.
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by section214 on Jul 15, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JT is a bust
at least that is what daivd thorpe says…
by KObeHater on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll bite
Thorpe is quoted as saying that Thompson is “an immediate upgrade” for the Kings and has a “nice combination of skills.”
Your turn -
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by section214 on Jul 16, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly section!
You are quoting David Thorpe, troll boy is quoting daivd thorpe.
Your source is a coach/trainer and writer for ESPN, troll boy’s source speaks to him directly through specially designed tin foil antenae.
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by KK on Jul 16, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're my hero.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 17, 2008 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Snarky Broads
Yall just don’t give up do yall? (Brilliant, btw.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 17, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when am I snarky?
I thought StR was a snark free website?
I suspect that it’s far more likely that I enjoy KfiK’s and your posts more than you guys enjoy mine. But I am happy if I made you guys smile for a minute,
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by KK on Jul 18, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoyment is relative
And I judge it on a sliding scale. One’s man junk is another man’s treasure.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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