Comment Moderation
by Ziller on Jul 15, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
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Citing alleged Miami interest in Ron Artest, the Sacramento Bee’s Sam Amick quotes Kings co-owner Joe Maloof as asking Artest to "take a deep breath and quit flying off the handle with comments that don’t make sense." Maloof’s advice might well be directed at some of the Bee readers, whose comments following Amick’s piece raise the following quandary : if Buzz Bissinger can hold the editor of Deadspin directly responsible for dopey comments, where’s the outcry over the unmoderated hate-fest occurring under the auspices of the MSM?
This remains amazing to me, that no matter what strides The Bee has made in developing excellent online content, they continue to allow their comment sections to be bitter cesspools filled with completely unredeemable (and often incomprehensible) dreck. It really demeans the great work Melody, Sam, Scott and Ailene have done with the web-only writing on the blog.
Sactown Royalty generates no money (excepting our charitable venture for the Sacramento SPCA), yet we've managed to create a place where you can actually discuss the Kings and the NBA. How hard is it?
(And yes, consider this a plea to remain civil and thoughtful in this trying time of the Artestopocolypse.)
(Also this is as good a place as any to congratulate the Gurneys, who have also created some special out of nothing. Long Live BallHype!)
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The comments everywhere on the Bee’s site are unfailingly terrible. Ignorance, trolling, thinly-veiled racism and outright stupidity are the norm in most of the Bee comment threads I’ve read. It’s scary.
I do agree that the writers you mentioned have done a wonderful job with the Kings blog. Without it, where the would we get our information?
by Carl on Jul 15, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Metaphorical Glory Hole
I don’t see how the Sac Bee is any different from popular political blogs like Daily Kos, or entertainment news sites like Perez Hilton. I have yet to see more than a handful of places where the comments aren’t a degradation of ignorant human behavior. Beliefs have become ingrained as part of ourselves, and not decisions we make after hearing both sides.
I hardly see this as a problem with the Bee, but with the internet as a whole as we move from stated facts to news stories written to get the masses discussing openly what bigoted iceholes they are, in a hidden and private setting.
By the way…the easiest way to bypass foul language censors is by using the words you learned from watching Michael Keaton’s “Johnny Dangerously” .
by LiquidPolio on Jul 15, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that The Bee employs 100s of smart people and has good chunks of money to invent and develop new ways of building the online dialog.
by Ziller on Jul 15, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TZ, I was only naming a couple of popular user-comment driven blogs. This still seems to be a problem with news sites such as ABCNews and now CNN, which is starting to open up it’s articles to user-submitted comment sections. They won’t say it, but hate-filled comment sections drive up ad revenue. It keeps mean-spirited people coming back to read the comments over and over.
That was too many hyphens, but what can you do.
by LiquidPolio on Jul 15, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the one big difference
is that this site, unlike those others mentioned, is a self selecting community. God knows there are plenty of other Kings fan/news sites that either allow over the line, or overly censor, user content. I suspect that, besides the great owner provided content, readers and posters here are here because that kind of behaviour simply isn’t tolerated. And that’s a huge breath of fresh air for me.
You see it sometimes with newer readers/blog commenters but they’re either chastised by other members (occassionally by Big T and Sheriff 214), or ignored.
That doesn’t mean that we all sit around holding virtual hands and singing Kumbaya, but most disagreements of opinion, while sometimes heated generally stay civil. That’s a wonderful thing and one of the major reasons (other than TZ’s and S214’s great content) that keeps me coming back.
Kudos to you two gentlemen, and congrats to TZ on now earning a paycheck from BallHype!
Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.
by KK on Jul 15, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between censoring content and limiting content
And recognizing what content you want. That’s where the devil is in the details. How many times can politics be discussed on here? How many times do financial issues in the world today get on here? It’s Kings basketball, and that’s where the topics typically stay.
You don’t have to be a self selecting prick if people understand what the forum is for, which most of the posters here (either Kings fans or other fans visiting from other’s) already understand.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
This forum is fairly difficult to find, in comparison to Sacbee or ESPN (both of which have horrible comment sections), and that plays out in a lot of ways. Some strays are still going to wander on in, but they don’t ever seem to have the critical mass to change the culture of the site, censorship or not.
by cabz on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClatchy Cuts
I am not sure how deep the cuts were at the Sacramento Bee, but other McClatchy pubs have gotten sliced up pretty good or even eliminated. Generally that has been on the print side, but I think they have also lost some web-focused folks as well.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 15, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albeit longer, most of the comments on the Sac Bee’s various articles are on par with those you might find on YouTube. Until they develop some kind of moderation or approval system, the commenting feature just serves as a sounding board for worthless drivel that adds absolutely nothing to any kind of meaningful discussion
by jeremy548 on Jul 15, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Artestopocalypse
Classic
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Jul 15, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do get very distusted by most comment sections..
On the other hand, I was pleasantly suprised by the people who comment on StR when I first found this site. For the most part they are informed and respectful of others opinions. Usually I stay away from message boards but this site has encouraged me to come out of my internet shell.
by Ball in Cup on Jul 15, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya on that
That’s why I started posting here too. (Or Sac Kings Blog actually. But whatever.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my disgust for the commenting on other sites
finally led me here. Since then, I haven’t bothered looking for another Kings avenue.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 15, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I always hated commenting other places too
I tried the Bleachers Mob a couple times, and I thought it was an awful place to post stuff. So I just never did. Everytime I peruse Kings Fans I find it boring, and Kings Super Fans isn’t any better. It’s just all pretty boring stuff if you ask me. Very little and new ground being broken. But at least their consistent at it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kingstalk used to be pretty good (if somewhat brutal) before the site owner decided to a) monetize it by allowing morons and b) surrendered control to an unamed radio talk show host (open secret though at KT). Now, the more knowledgeable BB posters shun the basketball forums which have been abandoned to 12 year olds and the most active forums have nothing to do with basketball. It’s a shame and I hope that never happens to StR.
Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.
by KK on Jul 15, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm does that mean TZ is actually making money at Ballhype now?
Congrats, you can move out of starbucks finally.
by moproblemz on Jul 15, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hm
Maybe I should actually click on the STR ads sometime to help TZ get out of the basement :)
by thekangarooster on Jul 15, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does STR get it or SBNation?
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 15, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that he at least gets a decent percentage.
by thekangarooster on Jul 15, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, I get nothing from the ads here. In the past, there has been some income from the ticket brokers and Google ads … but if you did the math, it’d come out to about 20 cents an hour.
I’m not full-time with BallHype, by the way. Gettin’ in where I’m fittin’ in.
by Ziller on Jul 16, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on the Artestopocolypse.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jul 15, 2008 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I trust
Ron will be doing a lot of Artestoscopies on Kings opponents once the season starts.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 15, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Just not while the Kings are playing them, as he’ll be playing somewhere else ;-P
TickTickTickTickTickTick
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 18, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN discussions are the worst
Maybe its due to the aninominity of such a large forum, but it is always filled with blatant racism and braind dead comments. As many have mentioned above, the comments here are nearly always well thought out and respectful.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the benefits of having a good community
And having a good community that helps enforce the rules. I don’t mind dissention or different opinion; rather I welcome that myself. I think that makes a strong community. But what I don’t enjoy is a few trolls around here have done recently which is make dumb comments and incessantly comment to just comment. The same Blazer fan who was posting crap on here ending up doing it on Clips Nation too. It’s sad, but it happens. Thankfully this doesn’t happen often here.
Personally I don’t believe in censorship, and I don’t hold back on much. I think that’s the single best thing about the community. Anything within reasonable reason, and some things aren’t reasonable, usually is allowed as long as it doesn’t cross an arbitrary line. While I don’t believe necessarily in an arbitrary line, I do realize it’s necessary in order to keep quality responses of a blog around. In short, StR is an excellent example of where most opinions that represent fans can be seen. Most language is allowed, and it’s not highly censored. As a result quality responses in this environment, even with foul language, are included and don’t demean the quality of the opinions for the most part.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
F*ck You!
Kidding…rec’d.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jul 15, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the touching and brilliant response sir
I will treasure it as I treasure my life. I’m going away to cry now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sactown Royalty "generates no money"
Great. Sign me up for all your banners, full run. I am very big on free media, and I appreciate the offer.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 15, 2008 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I should say “Sactown Royalty generates no money for me.”
by Ziller on Jul 16, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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