The Now Official Kings vs Rockets summer league open thread
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 4:14 PM PDT
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Kings vs Rockets in Summer League action! Game starts at 5:30PM PT You can go to NBA.com to watch the game, or simply click here to open the link. All you need to do is scroll down below the Sacramento vs Houston scoreboard and click on "watch" when the game is live.
It's the Kings' last game of the Summer League, folks! Get your last glimpses of NBA Summer League Basketball, before the full off-season comes into effect.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Well Presented!
You got this thing down! (And it’s not semi-official when it’s well done. It’s certainly official.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And now it's on the front page -
Does that make me Stockton to your Malone?
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by section214 on Jul 20, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only I was as good as the Malone than perhaps
But we both know I’m just Bryan Russell. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, thank you!
It’s been my dream as an STR fan to have one of my posts on the front page. :) It’s now official!
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations
My eyes tear with joy for you!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, congrats
You’ve ascended to the level of…us. Hmm. I rescind the congratulations. Instead, condolences.
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by section214 on Jul 20, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any other website to watch it at?
The NBA.com feed is horrible
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not on NBA TV so
I think that’s all you’re gonna get.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess... it keeps buffering
And my computer is usually good with videos. Ohh well….
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 20, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine too
and the picture is much better than the first summer league game.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBA TV went cheap
Up till now I was somewhat impressed with this web coverage. All the other games worked well and had great commentary. This game not only has poor graphics (only a score and is slow to update) but it sounds like the only have one mic. You can’t hear the floor or croud. Also the announcer sounds like the PA annoucer. I’m guessing there was a mad dash for the airport being Sunday and only a skeleton crew stayed behind to do the last game.
by KingsFan on Jul 20, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the PA announcer.
The game wasn’t on NBATV. It was just a web cast of the game. Much better than nothing imo.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 21, 2008 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I preferred the comparative silence to hearing Kamla go on and on about whatever happened to be on his mind at the time.
by jeremy548 on Jul 21, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawkins and JT get the start
over Douby and Ewing?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SHawes seems to have found
his shot again.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the former ducks brooks - leunen connection is killing us.
why is JT playing the 3? put him on the block!
by cwebb on Jul 20, 2008 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Relax it's summer league
Don’t get too intense until pre-season at the very earliest if you must.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm all summer leaguish mate
still, I don’t like big man firing at will from the perimeter (hi spence!)
versatility, me likey, not playing in the post being a big man, me don’t likey
by cwebb on Jul 20, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda funny you don't like big men who don't play in the post
With your name being Cwebb. Maybe I only find that ironic.
As far as summer league it is only that. I agree we both realize that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
He’s obviously early CWebb, before he fell in love with his jumper.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda is :)
but being a fan, you gotta live with your favourite player’s flaws. Maybe being a witness of his failures is the reason I am a little too sensitive about it.
by cwebb on Jul 20, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to assume away from the court failure
Because on the court he didn’t have many. He did try to win, and if nothing else, he did care.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 21, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people have suggested he could also be used as a 3
Just testing it. Once he adds some more muscle to his frame there’ll be no doubt he’s a 4
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 20, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there really isn't a 3 on this roster
by Beagle12 on Jul 20, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but would rather get JT minutes and we need to get Sheldon some PT. So JT starting at the 3 this game, but he’s played quite a bit of 3 over the previous games too.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I was just replying to B12 saying there was no 3 in this team. Wanted to make sure Ewing Jr. was indeed a 3
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 20, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
justin williams with his sex assault impersonation (just thought id get it out there)
by Vp on Jul 20, 2008 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just jumped on
Is QD hurt or just not playing. I’m assuming they’ve seen anough of what he can do?
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We only have the arena anouncer
so I have no idea. I assume we just wanted to let others have a chance on offense, but I have no basis for that assumption.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's what I was thinking
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think SHawes has the Miller pout down
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice put back by
3-Will
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 20, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeez...
I sure do wish Justin Williams was still on our team.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So apparantly Shawes will go up string if you get him mad enough
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah not to hot on the jumpers either
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Gavin
Hot looking date
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Looks like we got some Kings fans down in Las Vegas. Traveling violation called against JT, then a few fans booing.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another solid night for JT
He and Douby have both been great pretty consistantly
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Shelden Williams
I’ve noticed a lot of the attention has been on Hawes, Singletary, JT and Douby, while Williams has gone almost unnoticed. I think Williams has toughened up a bit. If he can show he can bang on the post, he’ll be a solid defensive option for the Kings.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
He and QD came out to show they had enough value to hang onto. I think they did it. Sheldon wasn’t flashy. But he was solid.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also didn't need to be anything else
The Kings have enough potential stars. They also need effective role players to play around those stars. Shelden Williams is physical enough, big enough, and talented enough to play 20-30 mins if needed a night as a backup in the NBA. That’s not bad value over the long haul for MIke Bibby. (I think one reason the Kings got blown out vs the Summer League Mavs was that they were missing some physical presence. That wasn’t the only reason they lost, but they didn’t have a guy they thought could do some smash mouth type stuff. Shelden helped with that.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 21, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Shelden has gone unnoticed because its his third summer league in the NBA. The fact that he isn’t as good as either Hawes or Thompson is kind of concerning, considering he has so much more NBA experience.
by dmj on Jul 20, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shelden
He could be our Reggie Evans or Eduardo Najera. Love having a guy like that on the squad.
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by section214 on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the final stat averages for the summer league
Hawes – 33.5 mins, 15.8 ppg, .350FG%, 9.0 rpg, 2.0 blks, 4.75 TO
Thompson – 27.5 mins, 15.0 ppg, .529FG%, 8.5 rpg, 0.8 blks, 4.0 TO
Williams – 27.0 mins, 12.3 ppg, .542FG%, 8.7 rpg, 1.0 blks, 3.33 TO
I wouldn’t say Williams is that much worse than Hawes/Thompson. I’d say he’s almost on par. But I think the thing that makes Williams stand out is that he’s huge, while Hawes and Thompson are a bit on the skinny side. If Thompson can bulk up and maintain his fast foot speed. All I can say is “Amare Stoudemire.”
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one major point
Hawes and Williams have been there before, I was pleased with JT’s performance he will work on improving before the pre season and when the veteran guards are on the floor he will look to hit cutters and pass to the open man I am encouraged by his start.
by Beagle12 on Jul 20, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just not much spacing with no outside shooter for the kings
by Beagle12 on Jul 20, 2008 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Not having QD in there makes a big difference.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like it. The fans sure seemed to think so
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary...
Come on now. That’s twice I’ve seen him go into the lane with some fancy dribbling, but not finishing.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He has speed. But he hasn’t yet realized that what worked in college doesn’t work at this level. I think he’ll get there though. He has some nice speed and footwork.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we have to go back to Summer b-ball withdrawals
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Twas fun
Now I’m just looking forward to Artest trade speculation and the Olympic games.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 20, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, Artest is getting traded??? :) Should be interesting.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Summer League
Big props to Jason, Quincy, Spencer and Williams. Sean was fairly solid too. Can’t wait until the fall.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
by dalt99 on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Encouraging
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by section214 on Jul 20, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds that PE2 doesn't make the roster?
Did he score zero points in summer league? That usually doesn’t get you a big boy’s contract.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 21, 2008 5:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it totally depends on what trade
we make if any. We currently have 14 players if you include Sean. So unless we do a two for one trade, I don’t think we’d keep him around. No reason to carry 15.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 21, 2008 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Singletary
It is impossible to judge how a player will do based on Summer League, but the kid looks overmatched even playing against other youngsters. He’d be a good No. 2 point guard in a tanker’s mentality, but the I think the Kings need to find a good combo guard as a backup sixth man. I think you can pencil Sean in for 3-5 minutes a game, but 15 is going to be a stretch. I would love to be proven wrong.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 21, 2008 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Points All Around
I agree that the Kings will need to lose some roster mass via trade for Ewing to have a chance to stick. I don’t put much stock in his summer performance since he was battling a thigh injury.
CC, I don’t see the Kings signing a combo guard since (a) they are at near luxury tax levels and (b) Theus is OK with Garcia in that role. Besides, who’s out there via free agency that would be a significant upgrade? I suppose it could happen via trade, but please not Jason Terry and his three year, $28 million contract.
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by section214 on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If we can come up with another true PG backup, that would be a different story. But the whole point of a combo guard is to backup your 2 as well as your 1. Garcia and Douby would both have to be considered combo guards in that Garcia can handle the ball well for a big guy, and Douby’s primary strength is shooting, not distributing. I didn’t see Singletary as overmatched at all though. In fact he has speed to spare and played pretty decent D for a rook. His shooting was crap, but with Udrih and Garcia, I don’t mind SS coming off the bench.
I think Ewing may be a D league player. Because of his name he would be a draw there.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 21, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless there is a significant shake-up
Due to an Artest trade, I also think the team is going to use Garcia as the sixth man and Douby to keep the scoring going while the starters rest (along with Cisco of course). As I think Theus has realized – just score Q, score. The rest will take care of itself one way or another.
I’m actually not discouraged by a second line of Garcia, Douby, Williams, Thompson and Hawes, that is, if one of the Thompson/williams/Hawes doesn’t end up starting at PF due to some MM move. I wouldn’t doubt that is in the cards by the way.
I think MM might be worth something to someone(?) as a veteran presence off the bench. That $3.3 mil trade exemption Orlando is about to get in the Dooling trade (it can be used again or not?) looks attractive, and Orlando could make good use of MM. They also have a few small pieces that could make the deal work. There might be a deal there even without the TE.
I actually think the Kings should just decide in training camp to start either SWilliams or Thompson, throw them into the fire, have MM start those five games at Center with liberal minutes (maybe the majority) for Hawes.
Its a puzzle with all those PFs now, (heck, not counting SAR or K-9) but I’d like to see Thompson and SWilliams basically get all the PF minutes for a while, see what they can do with real minutes in real games.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting JT at the beginning of the season...
may be a bit of a stretch. I like what I’ve seen from him, but there aren’t a lot of rookies that start for teams on opening night for good reason (and typically when they do, it’s for a 20-win team, both because they were selected that high and because the team is completely devoid of talent). Shelden could start, but it could get pretty ugly on the offensive side of the ball with Mikki and Shelden on the floor together. I think it’s pretty clear that we’ll see a Mikki/Hawes combo start during Miller’s suspension, with Shelden/JT coming off the bench, and I think that’s how it should be. Once Miller comes back, it’s up to JT to earn his minutes over MM and Shelden, and if he’s playing well I will be with you in hoping that we send MM for another piece to the puzzle.
by cabz on Jul 21, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just send em all off to the D-League.
We have a D-League team in Reno, right?
by CloudyEyes on Jul 21, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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