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Artest to Detroit?

From Sam Amick's Blog 7/21

Detroit: Could this be why Artest was so interested in interviewing brawl instigator John Green a while back? It would be a brilliant PR move if the Pistons were looking to put a package together for Artest.

And from what I was told from one source close to the Pistons, they are. I've yet to get this info from more than one person, so stay tuned. But much like the Mavs' situation, this could be one of those where the player the Kings want (perhaps Tayshaun Prince) would be different than the one offered (Jason Maxiell, anyone?). Pure speculation on my part in terms of the potential pieces.

 

Tell me that wouldn't be the ultimate irony. Back where it all started. It's just crazy enough to work!

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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christ man, I have to work

Now I’m on trade machine, trying to send Artest and Miller to Detroit. sonnuvagun.

Tayshaun Prince? No thanks – I think he’s a valuable piece to a championship contender, is the most underrated player on the Pistons roster, plays balls out defense, and is a great role-playing, corner-three shooting 3. That said, I’d want one of their young pieces not named Maxiell.

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by iashwash on Jul 21, 2008 9:27 PM PDT   0 recs

I've been working the trade machine too.

Tayshaun is the only one that would work but puts us in luxury tax territory and I dont think the Pistons would add Amir Johnson, Alfalo or Stuckey

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 21, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

didn’t realize Teyshaun was getting paid THAT much.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 21, 2008 11:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm

Who does Detroit have bird rights to?
575318727695302996&teams=8823232323&te=&cash=” > this silliness but that seems kind of dumb.

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by iashwash on Jul 21, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa

what happened there? like five sentences got swallowed.

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by iashwash on Jul 21, 2008 11:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't link the trade machine onto the page

SBN won’t allow it. The only way you can pass the trade machine along is with a hyperlink.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 5:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's the thing

I did in fact use hyperlinks… you can see the ” > showing that it got there.

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by iashwash on Jul 22, 2008 7:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm let me try and see what it does

Cuz this is the 25849&teams=2355&te=&cash=” >hyperlink. If you did it manually IW that’s probably why it didn’t work. However, if you start using the chain link icon on the dash of the post box it will.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah you're right it doesn't work

I don’t think you can link period to the ESPN trade machine.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

after all that, only one thing to say

rec’d.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 21, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny!

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 22, 2008 1:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm confused...

...how would this be a “brilliant PR move”? am i missing something? is there a joke in there i am just not getting?

by sactoreg on Jul 22, 2008 4:58 AM PDT   0 recs

The interviewing the Green guy would be the PR move, I think. If Artest was traded to Detroit.

by Ziller on Jul 22, 2008 7:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rodney Stuckey would be a great piece for the package to be centered around...

however, due to his excellent performance at the end of last year, especially in the playoffs, I wonder if they would part with him. If he were the only legit player included in the trade that would make me so happy as we would then have great depth at the 1,2, and 3. To have a great 1-2 punch at the pg position would alleviate some of the worries we have with Beno, namely how brittle he is.

by moproblemz on Jul 22, 2008 7:38 AM PDT   0 recs

rodney stuckey is most likely a no go

He played so well there was chatter that the Pistons would trade Billups and give Stuckey the keys.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 22, 2008 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And...

if i’m not mistaken Dumars actually acknowledge Stuckey is the only player he would not move

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 22, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think all these rumors would be helping Cleveland become the front runner

As long as the 1st round pick/Wally’s world becomes available. That’s probably the best value within the context of what this team needs long term can get on the market right now. Especially since Thomas’ value is lower than Dick Cheney’s sincerity level.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 7:43 AM PDT   0 recs

The more I think about it

the more I’m buying into your idea. IT’s the best option to get a draft pick, do not take minutes away from the young guys, get a huge expiring contract, get rid of K-9s at the same time, and on top, we send Ron (Bill) to the Eastern conference.

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It also gives the Kings a chance to commit to 13 guys for next season too

It also saves the Kings some money if they need to bring in a guy for a whole year in case of an emergency situation. There are things people haven’t thought of, and the Kings are so close to the luxury tax now with Artest it makes so little sense, when he’s angry at the franchise for not giving him an extension, to keep him. When you keep adding it up, and it’s adding up, Artest is going to cost this franchise more if they remain stubborn to deal him as opposed to doing a Wally/1st type of deal. I realize I’m biased and all that and never wanted Artest in the 1st place, but you have to put up or shutup. Artest hasn’t put all that much up since Adelman left. Oh well. I’m done with this for now. The whole Artest melodrama is pissing me off. Get it done already Geoff!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Talent-wise, it's a no-brainer

From a talent standpoint, the Wally/1st deal for Artrest is a no-brainer. The only holdup I can see is not wanting to deal with Artest’s nonsense. There just isn’t any way to know how individual NBA front offices view Artest.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops

Didn’t realize Wally makes $14 million. How in the hell did that happen? Anyway, I’m not sure Cleveland would want Kenny’s salary next season just to get Artest, so that’s another holdup. I would certainly do that deal (no Varejao!) in a minute. One of Wally or Salmons would have to go if the trade went down.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ummmm...

aging sem-consisten sharp-shooter with no ankles, or very healthy relatively young guy who still has something to prove in the league?
I think we know which “one” is going.
Then again, Petrie did say goodbye to Dahntay and 3-Will for the Hawks poo-poo platter, a move I still don’t get.

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by iashwash on Jul 22, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Technicalities?

I believe he needed the roster space to make the ATL deal official. I don’t think there was a deeper reason than that.

by smgmatt on Jul 22, 2008 12:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but

Petrie could have released Lorenzen Wright (remember him?) and re-signed either guy and chose not to.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

At that point my only question would be Salary Cap (or more to the point: Luxury Tax) implications.

Waived players’ salaries still count against the cap, and the Kings would basically be paying double to get Dahntay & J-Will back on the roster, because they’d be signing new contracts.

Again, I think it all comes down to the technicalities of the business-side of the L.

by smgmatt on Jul 22, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they weren't re-signed

Because Theus wasn’t playing them much and keeping them around only hurt them more in the long run. Besides it would have cost the team more money (not luxury tax though; they weren’t anywhere near the threshold) at any rate. I don’t think it was that big of a deal, and I especially don’t now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We've got 14 players

on our roster currently, 15 if you count PEwJr. So who would you cut/buyout to get DJ or 3-Will on the roster?

They both filled a need at one time, but they were no longer needed.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 22, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Problem is

Wally has no trade value at $14 million without taking back a bunch of baggage. Salmons does have trade value – he’s talented and his contract isn’t ridiculous.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ahhh...

I figured the Kings would just get rid of Wally… I hadn’t considered the notion of trading Salmons. interesting thought… well played.

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by iashwash on Jul 22, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why keep Wally?

I mean seriously. Why?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay let me put this another way

There’s a difference between wanting to keep Wally Szczerbiak and doing it in favor of John Salmons, and saying that you’re willing to explore John Salmons for the right deal. Hope that’s clear.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wally's salary

You keep Wally because he’s not tradeable with that ridiculous salary unless you take multiple players in return. If you have Wally and you can swing a deal to trade Salmons for a first round pick or young guy, you do it, knowing that Wally can backup at small forward until the end of the season.

Wally has some value on the court, but no value in the trade market without taking back multiple players. Salmons has both value on the court and in the trade market. It’s better to trade Salmons for a young point guard or first round pick and leave Wally on the books than to release Wally and eat $14 million for nothing.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You pay Kenny Thomas to sit around and do nothing

I don’t understand why cutting Wally is any different.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's right there
It’s better to trade Salmons for a young point guard or first round pick and leave Wally on the books than to release Wally and eat $14 million for nothing.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 6:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Expanding
If the trade goes down, you’ve got three guys (Garcia, Wally, Salmons) who can play small forward. You’ve got a couple choices:
  • Do nothing: You have too many guys who need minutes for one position. This gets you nothing but Wally’s expiring money and potentially causes personnel problems.
  • Cut Wally: This gets you nothing but Wally’s expiring money.
  • Trade Garcia: No.
  • Trade Salmons: You can potentially get a promising young guy or first round pick. Garcia starts and Wally is the backup, so you’re still covered at small forward this season. It opens up minutes for Douby at the 2 since Garcia is no longer the backup there, and you’ve still got Wally’s expiring money.

So your choices are 1. Nothing (expiring deal) 2. Nothing (expiring deal) 3. Moving a guy you don’t want to trade or 4. Getting a first round pick or promising young player and keeping the expiring deal.

Four clearly seems to be the best option.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don't see the point of keeping Wally

I never said I was against a Salmons trade Carl. I don’t see why cutting Wally makes a difference either way. You trade Salmons then so be it. You trade him then. I would hope that he would fetch a 1st round pick, but we can’t be certain of that.

Now, and I want to see this bearing your option to trade Salmons in mind, how are you going to do that? I mean you have to trade salary away in Salmons meaning you’re going to have to get salary back The only team with cap room to take Salmons without taking any money back is Memphis. They already have Gay, Mayo and Warrick. What would they need Salmons for.

I think your point is understood, and up to a point, particularly if it was feasible, I would say go for it. I just don’t see how trading Salmons under your scenario will happen. I still think cutting Wally makes more sense anyway. He bitched & moaned all last year while on Seattle because of PT. Why wouldn’t he do that in Sac?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally Carl

I think the time to trade Salmons is next off-season, and not now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wally is fading fast, so in essense

you would be trading Artest for what at best would probably be a No. 20 pick, someone like JJ Hickson.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 24, 2008 9:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I concur

No Varejoa.

The cavs might do it because they could seriously contend for title right Now, this year, give LaBron second thoughts about moving or at least get a title out of him before he does.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 22, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They really can't trade Varejao anyway

They won’t be able to trade him without serious restrictions until late December (it’s the day he signed the contract with Cleveland basically, and it’s around Dec 20th or something).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When a guy like Varejao signs an offer sheet (this is the explanation of previous paragraph)

You can’t trade him without his consent A, and B, you can’t trade him to the team that signed him to the offer sheet (the Bobcats in this case). So that’s why trading for Varejao will be difficult. Other than the fact that Robin Lopez just took his trademark goofy olive skin nappy hair trademark from Varejao.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ohhhhh Now

Everyone is willing to talk ‘send Artest east’.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 22, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I realize that's a joke

But everyone’s point (including mine) was that you don’t limit your trade partners just because one potential partner happens to be the Lakers.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do

its like sleeping with your mother-in law. Recrimiations and Self loathing are inevitable.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 22, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if she's hot, why not?

She won’t be your mother-in-law for much longer anyway.

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by iashwash on Jul 22, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh my God

HA!!! (for iashwash mother in law comment).

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by section214 on Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My list of MILFs

goes on and on. Each time I’ve acted on it…. disaster.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm rec'd' this at it sums up very well where I stand with regards on trading to "rivals"

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Arsenic
The Kings and the Lakers are more like rival companies competing in the same business. You could have said it was like Coca-Cola selling the rights to the Mr. Pibb formula to Pepsico, and that would have been a decent analogy

Trading Artest to the Lakers may be more like Coca-cola selling the recipe for arsenic to Pepsico, or the Trojans giving the Greeks a big wooden horse, but otherwise, I agree.

by Carl on Jul 22, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Same-same
...more like Coca-cola selling the recipe for arsenic to Pepsico…

I don’t know if you missed it, but I did say “Mr. Pibb”.

by smgmatt on Jul 22, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Silly silly

Its not like the Laker are offering Anything we want long range – so how is that helping us? They can offer no pick and will offer no young player, just a guy who’ll be gone after a year.

Media hype is great, its exciting, but explain to me again just how that trade makes the Kings better in the long run?

You talk in circles, build for the future – but rent a player (while making our enemy stronger) that does nothing but win a few extra games and takes minutes from our young guys for 1 season. We can get THAT from several other teams I think. Plus the possibility of a young prospect and/or perhaps a pick.

I just don’t understand why everyone is in Love with the latest Media story that helps us not-at-all.

Silly

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Long windy hypotheticals

are useless.

Just tell me how that trade versus others makes the Kings better in the future.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

The proposed Lakers deal (pretty much the only one from LAL seriously considered at StR) is Ron Artest & Kenny Thomas’ Contract for Lamar Odom.

Its not like the Laker are offering Anything we want long range – so how is that helping us? They can offer no pick and will offer no young player, just a guy who’ll be gone after a year.

I like how you conveniently skipped cap space as an asset that the Lakers can offer.

This deal could potentially put the Kings into the 2009 FA Buyers Market (a full year before the LBJ sweepstakes that everyone else is aiming for). The Clippers & 76ers just proved that having cap space when nobody else does opens a lot of opportinities. The Clippers almost swapped Maggette for Davis, and had Philly not had the cap space to get Brand (a huge get for them), they would have been back in the playoff race in the West.

Ridding the roster of K9’s contract can possibly be done another way, but what if it can’t? What if the Lakers are the only team that will take Thomas with Artest? What do you say then?

This is the point that everyone disagrees with you on.

It’s not like anyone here is hoping that LAL makes the best offer; with any luck their offer makes someone else offer more.

You ask how a Lakers deal helps the Kings, and this the same explanation that everyone has used since the offer was first proposed. Wally & a 1st for Artest & K9 might just be better (unless you think that Odom will be retained) . . . just ask Pookey.

Again, it’s not like anyone is pining to send Artest to the Lakers (except for those that think he’s going to ruin their chemistry, but they’re the exception) . . . but your close-mindedness takes away from any relevant points you may otherwise make.

There is no circle talking here, except for what you bring, because you bring the same arguments over and over and over without adding anything new to the conversation:

SEND ARTEST EAST!
How?
SEND HIM EAST!
Name a better offer.
TRADE HIM FOR DENG!
Huh?
DON’T MAKE THE LAKERS BETTER!
Why wouldn’t the Kings take the best offer?
FACE HIM 2 TIMES INSTEAD OF 4!
Artest has an expiring contract, it’s just one year.
TRADE HIM TO THE EAST!

The only points you’ve made are that (a) trading Artest within the Western Conference means that the Kings will have to play in 2 games against him that they otherwise wouldn’t have to, and (b) you personally wouldn’t like it if the Lakers won the Championship with Artest.

And your reply is that it’s “silly”? SERIOUSLY? My post is green because it got recommended by at least 5 people . . . who apparenly don’t think it’s so “silly”.

Good day, sir.

by smgmatt on Jul 23, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   2 recs

I'm Sorry?

An expiring contract for an expiring contract with nothing else – I believe we could get a lot of places. Just because thats the one the media is talking about doesn’t mean its the Only thing out there.

A BETTER OFFER? (hmmmm)
Speaking of which, Is there actually a trade proposal with the Lakers that I’m not aware of? Or just media speculation and blather? I don’t think its likely in the end we get rid of K-9s salary, if so, it will probably be Cleveland that takes it on. Even if we did, we’re over the cap on couldn’t use the $$ on a new player unless its someone already on the roster or received back in the trade.

Deng: Hey, I said we could ‘ask’. He’s not happy there, they don’t seem convinced he’s the answer.

Lakers better: All things being equal, and getting nothing long term for nothing somewhere else would be equal – you Never make a division rival better.
Its dispiriting to both your players and your fans.

As for the Wally Trade – I was the one who proposed that before the it started going around. Its a Much better deal 1. because it doesn’t take minute away from our young bigs 2) It sends us probably a prospect or pick [of some sort] 3) Its a guy who no longer expects to start and is a level headed veteran presence – who may extend at very small $$ if he is not traded.

As for your ‘REC’, congratulations, a lot of other people can read the media coverage and regurgitate it..

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Guh, one last try . . . point by point
An expiring contract for an expiring contract with nothing else…

FALSE: Kenny Thomas going to LA. This is the only deal that I’m talking about. I haven’t seen another deal with the Lakers that looks like it’s worth doing. Please stop implying otherwise.

Just because thats the one the media is talking about doesn’t mean its the Only thing out there.

FALSE: This was first brought up (as far as I know) by Lakers fans on LA Radio and was widely discussed here long before I saw any real “media” cover it. I can’t speak for anyone else, but the “media” has zero relevance to this deal for me. I don’t even know why you’re hanging your hat on that point, because it’s not like there’s a national storyline about Odom-for-Artest going on.

Is there actually a trade proposal with the Lakers that I’m not aware of?

ASSININE: We don’t know anything for sure about what offers do or don’t exist. It’s all speculation. Just like any other trade idea that anyone here comes up with . . . including Wally Z & a 1st for Artest & K9 . . . any truth to that, or is that just “speculation and blather”?

Thought so.

I don’t think its likely in the end we get rid of K-9s salary, if so, it will probably be Cleveland that takes it on.

SOURCE? If Petrie can’t trade Thomas, then either (a) he looks for something else, or (b) Artest stays as an expiring contract. How or why Cleveland is the most likely to take Kenny Thomas on is beyond me, unless you know something that I don’t.

Deng:

I don’t even want to get into the whole “Deng” situation, I just thought that was a terrible attempt to find a more realistic deal for Artest in the East. That said, I’d trade Artest for him in a second, which is probably why I think it’s so ridiculous. Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but I don’t think it helped your “Wagons East!” campaign at all.

Lakers better: All things being equal, and getting nothing long term for nothing somewhere else would be equal – you Never make a division rival better.
Its dispiriting to both your players and your fans.

HUH? I’m not even sure what you’re saying here other than beating the “don’t help division rivals” drum. If there’s a deeper point in here then you need to restate it so that it’s clear, because this doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Oh, and using StR as a sample, there aren’t a whole lot of people here who would be “dispirited” if the Lakers made the best offer . . . although I’m sure there’s a lot out there like you who would be. I think a lot of them post at SacBee & KingsTalk. I expect more reason from people here, however.

As for the Wally Trade – I was the one who proposed that before the it started going around.

CREDIT DUE: I didn’t claim anyone else started it, but I used Pookey as an example of someone who thought that was the “best” offer available. His reasoning had nothing to do with the Cavs being in the East, but because he felt it was the best return for the Kings. Your reasoning is more emotional than rational, but at the saying goes: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If this offer was from the Lakers, would you feel the same way? (Answer: NO) Backhanded compliment aside, this is a good, and more importantly, realistic trade proposal.

As for your ‘REC’, congratulations…

To be honest I feel like a tool even referencing that. The only point I was trying to make was that I’m not standing on an island here; there are plenty of people who agree with the idea of taking the best offer for your team, and not worrying about who that offer comes from. I don’t think this has anything to do with the “media”, but apparently you believe that we’re all a bunch of sheep to the flock. I don’t know what I can say/do to change that opinion, other than to let you know that I strongly disagree.

I should have said that more clearly, but didn’t because I was walking out the door, and unfortunately, posts cannot be edited . . . so my self-referential comment will be there longer than I’d like.

I realize that none of this will make any difference, and I doubt I will continue this exercise in futility beyond this post, so I’ll leave you with a fun little quote from Willy Wonka:

Wrong, sir! Wrong! Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if – and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy:

“I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained,” et cetera, et cetera…”Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum,” et cetera, et cetera…”Memo bis punitor delicatum!”

It’s all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! Good day sir!

I said, “GOOD DAY!”

by smgmatt on Jul 23, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tools

‘To be honest I feel like a tool ‘
and you should

for continuing on and on about some ‘Artest to the Lakers’ proposal that as far as we know DOESN’T EXIST while slamming the suggestion that we should find ANY other equivelent deal and refusing to discuss them and/or calling any other idea ridiculous out of hand.

all while saying I’M close minded.
Sheeesh!
(nice Tootsie reference though, something subliminal there about an urge for cross dressing?)

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK,

I’ve been very civil in dealing with you, only to have to throw personal insults at me.

Worse yet, you can’t even represent my point correctly!

...while slamming the suggestion that we should find ANY other equivelent deal and refusing to discuss them and/or calling any other idea ridiculous out of hand.

Where did I say that other options shouldn’t be explored?

Where did I refuse to discuss any trade ideas?

I called the Artest for Deng trade ridiculous because I didn’t feel that it was realistic at all.

(nice Tootsie reference though, something subliminal there about an urge for cross dressing?)

Huh? I don’t even know what you’re talking about now. Where did I reference Tootsie? What does this have to do with anything topical?

Tell yourself whatever you have to so that you can feel good, use whatever insults you can to feel like a tough guy . . . but it’s obvious that you bring nothing interesting to the table for me to think about, so I’m out.

The last word is yours.

by smgmatt on Jul 23, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs