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This City Just Got a Little Less Zany

I promised I wouldn't cry.

There are myriad reasons this is a good trade for the Kings. Yes -- it's a good trade for Houston, Ron-Ron himself, Tracy McGrady, Jonathan Feigen and others. But this is a Kings blog, not a Jonathan Feigen blog, so let's stay on topic, OK? Sheesh.

Ron Artest, a talented talent with real talent, was not built to play for a rebuilding team. All the fantastic traits Ron-Ron embodies on the hardwood -- toughness, passion, shrill desire, the constant choreographed flailing -- mean the most to a winning squad. At no time was this truth, or Ron-Ron's talents, more apparent than in late 2006 when the dark, brooding, slightly frightening Kings took the galaxy by storm and gave the defending champs a fight. Despite being out of shape after a long layoff, Ron-Ron was near perfect from February to May. With Bonzi, a budding Kevin Martin, a raw Francisco Garcia, an Adonis-like pairing of Kenny Thomas and Shareef Abdur-Rahim, and those old farm hands Mike Bibby and Brad Miller, the Kings made a stunning effort. That team will not soon be forgotten in Sacramento, and Ron-Ron was without doubt the motor. The irrational, belligerent, zany motor.

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These Kings aren't in that position any more. A little crazy in the eyes no longer helps the cause. This is a really young team at its core, with John Salmons and Francisco Garcia as the elder statesmen of the near future. Youth and malleability are connected, no matter how strong of will Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson come off in the press. When you're new to something -- as Hawes, Thompson, Bobby Brown, and Sean Singletary are to the NBA -- you pay attention to what happens around you. In the locker room, on the plane, at the club, before warm-ups, in front of the media. When you're getting comfortable in something so foreign as the NBA, you get certain behaviors, certain social orders ingrained in your skull. You become, to some extent, a product of your environment.

Watching Ron-Ron mouth off, skip games with no notice, scream at his point guard to "get him the f---ing ball," complain about his contract, throw Mama Maloof under the bus, throw his teammates under the bus ... I'm not saying those things are going to turn Jason Thompson into a bad man. But they have an effect, however subtle. They weaken the franchise's authority, they weaken the team's chemistry (however immeasurable and mythical the concept might be). Ron-Ron repeatedly demeaned Reggie Theus this season. Coach may be a blowhard at times, but he ain't no dummy. He knew he had to avoid confrontation to survive. (And what do you know? He did.)

The Kings will do more than just survive -- they will thrive without Ron-Ron. It's not a knock on him -- he will do wonders for Houston's spring confidence, no doubt. But the Kings are in a place where creating the right learning environment for these wide-eyed does in much more important than two steals or five assists from an unfocused, unhappy Ron-Ron. And this all neglects the real on-court positivity an Artest subtraction offers. Salmons becomes a hero, Martin becomes a 28-ppg scorer, Mikki Moore gets dibs on all in-game screamery. Plus, Bobby Jackson in the locker room is the polar opposite of Ron Artest in the locker room. Wins for everybody.

Oh, also:

Donte Greene, sons. Respect the extra 'e'!

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We get B-Jax back we get a raw, athletic, sharp shooting, 6-11 Donte Greene and we get a pick for next year and even some money. Nice little bag of goodies. Although it is very similar to what Dallas offered us: Stack, Bass (POWER forward) and some $. I like this trade just as much as that one. Though now we have 17 players for next year. Though I’m sure we’ll figure out somethin. Surplus is always best.

by HarbirD on Jul 29, 2008 8:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no comparison

Bass and Stackhouse deal is no comparison to the Donte Greene and Bobby Jackson deal.

1. We get a 1st round pick, who knows if we use it or not but it’s an asset.

2. Donte Greene >>>> Brandon Bass in terms of potential. Greene is a Kevin Durant type player. He’s got tremendous skills offensively and who knows what kind of a player Greene can become.

3. Bobby Jackson was a fan favorite and I guess he could help sell more tickets. He has at least 2 million guaranteed to him the following year and won’t be completely come off of our books.

4. KEVIN MARTIN BECOMES THE MAN. If u bring Stackhouse in, there is the potential that Stackhouse may feel he is the veteran and may want to be the leader and Stack plays the 2.

Most importantly, this deal makes one thing obvious and that is rebuilding BUT that doesn’t mean counting ping pong balls, but letting the young guys play and make sure they learn the way to play good basketball and bring a winning attitude.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jul 29, 2008 8:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Source?

I can’t find anything that says B-Jax gets $2 million the following year. Not on ShamSports. Not on Hoopshype. I crave salary information. Hit me!

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by section214 on Jul 29, 2008 9:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's Stack

that has the 2 mil.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 29, 2008 9:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Houston Chronicle says he's up at the end of this season

This Houston Chronicle article from last year indicates Bobby’s contract expires at the end of this season.

by Carl on Jul 29, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I were any happier

I’d have confetti shooting out the top of my head.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 29, 2008 8:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see some big lineups in our future

Hawes/JT/Greene/Martin/Garcia – might cause some match up problems eh?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 29, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I was happier with the Williams for Bibby deal than this one.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 30, 2008 7:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 8:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be kind of fun if Greene turned out to be a stud

And five years from now, everyone is talking about what a steal this was for the Kings. I mean I know it was just Summer League and all. But dang, that’s a lot of points for a first year player.

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 29, 2008 8:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watch out NBA

Donte has all the talent in the world and a chip on his shoulder.

As a Louisville fan, Donte was a very scary player to be up against last year. When he was playing hard, he was unbelievable. His intensity level is much better suited for the NBA than it was for college, hopefully Reggie will be able to get the most out of him.

It seems like a shortsighted move for the Rockets, I don’t see this putting them over the top. But this is great news for the Kings.

by bartenpa on Jul 30, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shortsighted?

I think this was a great trade for them.

They didn’t give up anything that they couldn’t afford to (a bench guy with potential, a 3rd PG, a late draft pick) and they added a starter to a roster that got the 4th seed last year without him. When you’re close you have to take a few calculated risks to take those last few steps. This is exactly the kind of deal a contending team makes. It’s also good because Yao & T-Mac may not play 82 games (Artest may not either), so the fact that they have more depth will better help them get through the season.* We’ll see if it works out for them or not.

Ironically(?), it’s also exactly the kind of deal a rebuilding team makes, because that bench guy becomes a rebuilding piece and that late draft pick becomes another.

*I have nothing against anyone on the Rockets, but if they were hit with severe injuries I wouldn’t be upset . . . because then that pick they’re sending us would be that much better.

by smgmatt on Jul 30, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Evil.

And, yet. No…I can’t say it. Karma and all. ;)

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jul 30, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right now, it's definitely a good trade for them.

Down the road, I’m not so sure. Obviously, there is a lot of inertia in the Rocket’s current team, they’re essentially stuck with the two stars they have, T-Mac and Yao, and they’re shuffling parts around them to see if they can get more out of them. The Rockets were a team who reached, or were at least close to their potential last season. They’re not an exceptionally young team, either.

Artest makes them that much better, but they’re not essentially different from the team they were last year. You can cite Artest’s intensity, and the possible fire that it might light under the team, but I think that’s looking too closely into the situation. At the end of the day, the Rockets still don’t have the players to win a championship, and by being unwilling to trade a major part and change the face of their team in a dramatic way, I think they insured a better season, but one that will end without a championship.

I guess what I’m saying is: With Artest, will the Rockets win a championship this year? I don’t think so. With Artest, do the Rockets better their chances of winning a championship 5 years from now? I really don’t think so. That’s why I said it was a shortsighted move.

by bartenpa on Aug 1, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I see where you’re coming from, but I disagree that it’s short-sighted in that I don’t feel like they really gave anything of significance up to upgrade their title chances. Greene may have a ton of potential, but chances are he’d be buried on the bench of a contending team, so how much would he help them?

I guess the questions then become:

  • Does adding Artest increase their odds of winning a championship this year? (yes)
  • Does adding Artest increase their odds of winning a championship 5 years from now? (unknown, but probably not)
  • Would the Rockets still be contending for a championship in 5 years with Donte Greene? (unknown, but T-Mac won’t be the same if he’s still around, so it’ll be a different team regardless)

McGrady has a history of injuries, and both he and Yao (their two stars, as you mentioned) missed time last year. Adding to last year’s core without taking anything away is about the best thing that you can hope a contending team to do. Time isn’t on Houston’s side, and the goal is to win a championship, and to do that they need to get out of the first round to have a real shot.

By adding Artest without losing Battier, they have significantly upgraded their defense . . . and that’s going to help them the most when it matters (i.e. the playoffs). They also prevented Artest from playing against them in the playoffs, as both Dallas & LAL were rumored to be after him as well. It’s a win-win for them.

This kind of reminds me of the Brad Miller trade, because the Kings really only gave up Hedo (no offense to Pollard) to get him, and he’s been the starting 5 since Vlade left. Hedo’s become a much better player (and the player some of us thought hoped he would be) somewhere else, but Miller’s worked out pretty well for the Kings.

by smgmatt on Aug 1, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on, It's definitely a win-win.

They’re under win-now pressure, and they did what they needed to to convincingly improve their position. It’s the NBA. This is pretty much an optimal trade for both teams, given the options available, and the Rockets got the best they could, getting a known factor now from a team whose peak is a couple years off, and giving away a lot of unknown potential in return, while withholding Artest from a couple of their closest rivals.

In a perfect world, this move is suboptimal, but in the chip-trading NBA I concede that it is an undeniably shrewd move. None of this, however, will keep Woody Page from calling the Rockets boneheads if/when Donte Green is an all-star in 5 years. Just sayin’.

Man, I’m glad I’m not a Rockets fan.

by bartenpa on Aug 1, 2008 5:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have so much to say about this trade

but I’ll start by saying that it’s frggin’ awesome. More awesome than a 5.4 earthquake causing my secretary to colapse in to a kicking, screaming & crying panic attack. Barely.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 29, 2008 8:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know, you should have seen it

How hard is it to calm someone down while laughing histerically.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 29, 2008 9:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is our starting sf now?

by LivesInSac on Jul 29, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salmons

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by section214 on Jul 29, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

Assuming petrie doesn’t blow something else up.

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats the popular choice.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 9:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greene?

I wouldn’t count out Donte Greene starting at the 3. He’ll definitely give a push to Salmons and Garcia.

by deepnu666 on Jul 29, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

Greene is a Kevin Martin like project. But the kid seems motivated and hopefully he’ll have a strong motor and play his butt off to help this team win. But he will contribute unlike with Kevin in his 1st year.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jul 29, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised

if Greene gets any tangible minutes this year.

Udrih and B-Jax are going to get the PG minutes, meaning Garcia has to find his minutes somewhere else.

If Salmons starts at SF, Garcia gets the minutes behind him.

The minutes behind Martin go to either Garcia or Douby.

Greene is way too thin to log PF minutes right now.

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by section214 on Jul 29, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Drop by the Mavs and listen to them crying on their giant lone star pillows

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2008/7/29/582306/shoot

"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie

by SavageBeast on Jul 29, 2008 9:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know, if we had to make a team better

I’m glad it’s the Rockets, and I hope Adleman gets his ring.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 9:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Or really +2, wifey agrees.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree w/ that sentiment

It’s an easy team to like. Artest was a pain in the ass, but I wouldn’t feel bitter at all to see the Rockets do well next season (esp. if it’s at the expense of the Lakers). Much more than a “darkhorse” now, as someone below described Houston.

by corbin on Jul 29, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally

this works out well in so many ways for us. i’m definitely pulling for houston in the west horse race.

by beevenator on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel somewhat bad laughing at that thread after the draft...

But when they wonder why this is a better deal than Bass/Stack, I have to answer. Two Words: Bobby Jackson.

I should have know when I saw the corn rows. We can always spot our own Brad.

by Muff209 on Jul 29, 2008 9:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a nice feeling...

To read about a fan base being devastated about missing out on a trade, and it’s not us!

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 30, 2008 7:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

f'real though

there should be a blog about Jonathan Feigen.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2008 9:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it heresy to ask who Jonathan Feigen is?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 29, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh a Houston chron columnist

Yeah I really don’t care about this guy now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 29, 2008 10:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This guy apparently.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 10:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gloating is unattractive...

But I told all y’all the Rockets were the most logical team for Artest. I never thought we’d get Greene for it. And everyone was thinking Battier. But damn do I like this move. At worst we got Al Harrington. At best we got rid of Artest for something equitable.

by rbiegler on Jul 29, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I really think this was the perfect move for both teams. We get a fan favorite at a spot we needed more NBA quality minutes at (backup PG). We get a promising rookie. We also get a pick.

Artest gets reunited with Bonzi and Adelman, finally!

Rockets get a lot tougher, definitely a darkhorse to go all the way this next year.

by moproblemz on Jul 29, 2008 9:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Happy

Happy for Adelman, happy for Artest, happy for us fans. It was time to cut bait and invest in some young assets. The pick and Greene are worth more to us now than Artest was in terms of future progress. I like the deal and look forward to seeing B-Jax back in a Kings uni. Props to Petrie.

by discocricket on Jul 29, 2008 9:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, I just got the picture

took me a while, but interesting underlying commentary there, Ziller.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 9:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That image was meant for a post on the odd relationship we have with Ron as fans, but it fit here. I love Goya.

by Ziller on Jul 30, 2008 7:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree and Disagree

I agree Ron was probably ill-suited to remain with the Kings, because his skills are probably wasted on a team that would have had to scratch and claw to make the playoffs. I agree with you that 2006 was special, and perhaps we’re not special enough right now to recapture that.

I disagree with the three paragraphs after the artwork, but I am glad I won’t have to wage those arguments any further. ... assuming this deal gets consumated.

Re: Donte Greene, I think he was considered a top 10 pick at one point, but just seemed to slip as the draft approached.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 29, 2008 10:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Math

The salary numbers are always a crap shoot, but I’m figuring that Singletary and Ewing may be included in the Houston deal to get the roster and dollars where they need to be, though Houston has a lot of players, too. Douby?

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by section214 on Jul 29, 2008 10:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say Singletary cuz he's a PG and the Rox gave up a PG

And may not be comfortable only haveing Rafer Alston and Aaron Brooks. That being said your guess is probably better than mine at this point.

I also think this deal guarantees that Patrick Ewing Jr won’t be have a chance to make the Kings roster this year.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 29, 2008 11:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m not really sure he ever stood much of a chance.

by beevenator on Jul 30, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can we refer to Greene from now on as

“The extra E”... and all adjectives used to describe him have to start with an e – he’s not tall, he’s elongated, he’s not a good shooter, he’s an excellent shooter, his talents not going to increase rapidly, it’ll increase exponentially.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 29, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Shelden Williams has an extra "e" in his first name

As in “Egads! That’s a huge forehead!”

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by section214 on Jul 29, 2008 11:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just Heard!

As usual, not a whiff from the Kings before it happened!

All in all its just what you could ask, a young prospect, a pick and a valuable vet whose contractis expiring!

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 29, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the trade

and not to rain on anybody’s parade, but E isn’t exactly a locker room joy. EEEEverybody in Syracuse hates the guy. In EEEEVery predraft interview I have read with him he comes across as a self centered ball hog who has an inflated view of his own worth. Of course, being a rookie on this team, and being coached by Reggie, and starting out as 3rd in the small forward depth chart, I don’t think any of that will fly and he should shape up pretty quickly.
On the talent side, he is a monster and could easily work out better than Justin Williams.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 30, 2008 1:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but Three-Way-J didn't work out...

...except with the, ahem, three-way.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

I hadn’t even heard of Greene before this trade (I don’t pay much attention to anyone with a weird name-spelling, it frightens me). I appreciate the insight to his potential downside, rather than hearing nothing but “Durant 2.0”.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adelman's comment was "I don't think he understands what it means to play hard"

And that’s Rick in his “be complimentary of the new draft pick during the first week of Summer League” mode.

Yikes.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jul 30, 2008 8:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's 19

Heck, I wouldn’t like the 19 year old me so Greene has some time to mature. I also don’t think Reggie Theus is going to take a lot of crap.

by Carl on Jul 30, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add to that...

...the fact that he fell much lower than initially projected, and he might feel that he has to prove everyone who passed on him wrong.

This kind of wake-up call has improved “questionable character” players before.

by smgmatt on Jul 30, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One man who does not like this trade...

Bobby Brown. He just got out-Bobbyed (copyright pending).

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 30, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bobby B

He’s used to being disrespected. This will just make the chip on his shoulder that much bigger. Jackson is on the way down, so eventually Brown could prevail for more minutes.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 31, 2008 8:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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