The same teams that were intererested in Artest before he committed to the final year (and $7.4...

time to fire up the trade machine

when would the Kings be able to trade artest? for instance, could he be traded today?

by sactoreg on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 AM PDT 0 recs

July 9?

I believe we have to wait until the Moratorium is lifted on July 9 to make anything official, but since he’s now on the roster for the 08-09 season, I think an Artest trade could be agreed to on principle (the same way that Beno & Baron Davis agreed to terms on their FA contracts).

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

makes sense...thanks!

by sactoreg on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'll bite

only because we’ve already done most of these trades before…
Lakers: Odom/Ariza for Artest/K9
Heat: Haslem/small filler for Artest or D. Wright/filler for Artest
Dallas: Howard for Artest/Douby
Houston: Brooks/Battier for Artest or Brooks/Jackson/pick for Artest
Warriors: B.Wright/filler for Artest

by moproblemz on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 AM PDT 0 recs

what do I know?

Yes
No
YES
Yes, Maybe?
Yes

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up 0 recs

definitely wouldn’t mind having haslem from miami…and lets throw in brandon bass from dallas too…

by sactoreg on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

I would...

mind Haslem. I like his hussle, but do we really want a guy who has already reached his ceiling taking up minutes in front of our young guys? I don’t.

by cabz on Jul 3, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

A few to chew on -

I think these have all been discussed here before, but let’s look at the Lakers, Heat, Rocket and Mavs.

Artest and K9(woof!) for Lamar Odom A lot has been made of Odom’s poor performance in the finals, but the guy averaged a double/double during the season, including 10.6 rebounds per game. He can play the 3 or 4 and he is a guy who obviously has no issue defering to a better offensive talent (see Martin, Kevin). His 4.4 career assist per game average is a testament to his team play. He is known as a guy that does not cause trouble, and he does take ownership of his play on those occasions when he does not perform well. He is owed $14.1 million for this year and then becomes a free agent. He turns 29 in December. Best case scenario for the Kings is that they make the deal and then turn around and deal Odom at the trade deadline for a draft pick and/or youth. Worst case is they keep him for the whole season and then perhaps lose him to free agency. This deal would close the book on the K9(woof!) ~~error~~ era, but it would also make the Lakers the prohibitive favorites to win the NBA title next year. The Maloof’s didn’t want to trade Bibby to the Lakers. How excited do you think they’ll be to ship them Artest?

Artest and Shelden Williams for Josh Howard The word out of Dallas is that they are no longer interested in dealing Howard, but if they were you would be getting a guy who avereaged 20 and 7 at the small forward position last year. He just turned 28, and is under contract for the next two years, with a team option in the 3rd year. The appeal here is that due to his play down the stretch last year and his cannibus related comments during the playoffs, his perceived value is slighlty low right now. He has shown all star talent in the past and he could become a solid piece of your future or a good trade chip later. But I just don’t think that Dallas will do this deal.

Artest to Houston for… The Rockets could send us Aaron Brooks and Bobby Jackson, but all that gives us is an injury prone combo guard on the back side of his career and a back up point guard for Beno. Now, they could make the deal work with Shane Battier, whose contract runs through 2010-11. That’s $7.4 million against the ‘10-11 cap, but Battier is a tireless defender and a team first guy. Houston would probably prefer the Battier deal, as they like Brooks and still need B-Jax off the bench.

I can’t find a deal in Miami. Udonis Haslem? Really? In 37 minutes per game last year he averaged 12 and 9, career highs. He missed 33 games, he doesn’t block shots. He’s only 6-8. Is he really a significant upgrade over Mikki Moore? OK, how about Artest, Douby and K9(woof!) for Shawn Marion? I can’t believe that Miami makes that deal, but if they do you get a 30 year old double/double guy in the last year of his contract. He has proven himself to be a “me first” individual, so you’re only making this deal in the hope that you can deal him at the deadline for a pick and/or youth. In other words, this is a lot like the Odom deal, except that Odom would be the better teammate while he’s here. On the other hand, wouldn’t you prefer Ron on the other side of the country (and in South Beach with Michael Beasley, no less!!!).

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by section214 on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 AM PDT 2 recs

Someone needs to let Josh know that medicinal marijuana is pretty much legal here,

that ought to be enough for him to become a malcontent and request a trade to norcal.

by moproblemz on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

I have to admit...

The Lakers deal sounds pretty attractive. Granted he turns the Lakers into a true powerhouse, but i think it’s almost as likely that he causes the implosion of the team via the two-many-cooks-in-the-kitchen scenario (see Lakers “four horsemen”).

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

Good Point

One championship followed by forty years of darkness, dogs and cast living together…mass hysteria!

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by section214 on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yes your honor, it's true...this man has no penis.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd just like to say

That almost half of us voted for you in the last election.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

That's one big F*ckin' Twinkie

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 3, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

So be good, for goodness sake...!

Knowing what we know about Ron’s overinflated value of his own offensive potential, how long would he remain obedient to Kobe/Phil/Pau/etc? Would he realistically be content to exist as a role-playing cog in the triangle? Of course not. That’s what makes the Lakers trade so attractive – we get Odom, shed some major salary (K9), automatically improve our chemistry, and sabotage the already fragile chemistry of the Lakers! I’m already enjoying the thought of watching Kobe and Ron’s supposed “friendship” dissolve into an alpha-dog, ego-strained feud.

by corbin on Jul 3, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

interesting...

you have a diabolical mind, corbin. well done.

by beevenator on Jul 3, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

regarding haslem

i think he’d be a good upgrade over mikki moore. haslem is a pure effort guy…when i look for upgrades at the 4, i look for guys who will crash the boards and play good defense. haslem is a good rebounder (i’ll definitely take 9 boards a game) and a very solid defender. and he won’t completely kill the team with regards to botched entry passes into the post.

plus, at this stage in the game for the kings, we dont need a true PF of the future, because we supposedly just drafted one. otherwise, i agree with your other scenarios….nice detail section!

by sactoreg on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

just noticed...

I would prefer Ron on the other side of the country. Anything that gets talent out of the West, I’m for it.

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

Throwing out another one

I think I read this one over on Kingsfans, so kudos to them for thinking it up. Artest to the Clippers for Al Thornton and Tim Thomas. Thornton averaged 15 and 6 as a starter in his rookie season. Tim Thomas is a throw in to make salaries work and has this year and next on his deal, so it doesn’t hurt the Kings in 2010. This deal assumes Brand goes back to the Clips, potentially giving them a starting lineup of Artest, Brand, Kaman, Mobley(?) and Baron Davis. For the Clippers, it’s the difference between being a playoff team and being a playoff threat.

by Carl on Jul 3, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up 0 recs

We've been discussing this one for a while.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up 0 recs

Look a little further down

Thanks for bringing this info over, but it’s already discussed below (don’t feel bad, I hate it when I do that).

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, didn't read the whole thread before I posted. Duh.

by Carl on Jul 3, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

You've been exposed as a two site guy.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, TZ and I have an open relationship

by Carl on Jul 3, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

That list of teams

I’m guessing that is Voisin’s speculation. I’d actually add the Clippers as a realistic destination too.

Petrie supposedly liked Thornton a lot, so Artest for Thornton and Tim Thomas’ contract is a deal floating around the web. But alas, makes too much sense to happen.

by Scirocco on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 AM PDT 0 recs

oh my goodness that's awesome

I don’t care too much for Thorton (can he play defense?), and Tim Thomas can rot in hell, but the thought of making the Clippers better is such a tasty thought. Davis, Brand and Artest? Boom tho. All they’ll need is that hot-shooting 2-guard (somehow they gotta swing a deal for Mike Miller), and the LA-LA rivalry will suddenly be legit. Down with the Lakers!

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up 0 recs

After watching Thorton play in the NBA....I don't think so.

Dude is a straight up chucker. Thorton is not the type of building block the Kings are look for. He is the type of player that puts up big numbers on a sub-par team. I like his rebounding ability but his selfish play is not something I want to see night in and night out.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thornton

I doubt that the Clippers would offer up Thornton. He’s why they are not concerned about Maggette leaving. Chucker or no chucker, the kid is dirt cheap for the next few years and was a top rookie. I think that they would offer no more than Tim Thomas, Brevin Knight and draft picks.

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by section214 on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs

could it be

That he was a chucker last year because his team was horrible? I’ve got no idea as I haven’t seen him play, I just know that bad teams often spawn questionable shots.

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

I watched him play...he's a mad chucker a la Ricky Davis. All flash but very strong.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

I disagree. The Clippers have shifted gears.

They are now in a win now situation and although Thorton has some potential, Artest is a more polished NBA player. Brand and Davis are both 29 and Mobley is 33, they don’t have two years for Thorton to develop into the player he might become. Plus, Artest would give the Clipps some one to match up against Kobe.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

I would be worried.

I don’t think they have the personalities either on the bench or on the court to control Ron. Kobe and Phil could keep him in line as could Tim and Gregg, but I don’t know how many other situations that would prove true for.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jul 3, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up 0 recs

you're probably right

rats.

by beevenator on Jul 3, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

But...

Do they know that?

That’s all that matters.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

Dunleavy is hard core.

I think he can control Artest and don’t discount the veteran leadership of Davis and Brand(if he signs).

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

yeah, but...

what kind of trouble could Ron possibly get into in Los Angeles?

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

Well he can't get into any night clubs

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 3, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

HA!

well played.

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up 0 recs

Re: Thornton

While it is true they are high on Thornton as a whole, Artest would replace him in the lineup and they would shed Tim Thomas’ contract. Artest makes them a better team now, and with a Baron/Artest/Brand/Kaman core, they would attract numerous vet FAs to help fill out the roster and make a run in the West.

by Scirocco on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

Depending on what's asked of him

Eric Gordon could fill a lot of those minutes at the 2. He may get a lot of open looks in that lineup.

Plus they still have Mobley under contract, not that he’s the answer or anything, but he wouldn’t be expected to carry too much of the load either.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd love

to get the take from “Clipper Steve” on this. I just don’t see the Clippers putting Thornton on the table, not for Artest. Remember, this would be a one year deal. The following year they would need to sign Artest to a new deal, which would likely run them into the luxury tax. Ask Clipper fans how Sterling would react to that.

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by section214 on Jul 3, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

Anybody know if Brand has decided to return to the Clips?

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

not yet

supposedly later today or tomorrow.

by beevenator on Jul 3, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up 0 recs

Great assessment 214

I’ll take the Laker or Houston for Battier deal any day. However, I still will miss Ron if he does leave. Primary reason I won’t take Howard is because I’m still a HUGE Miller fan, he was my first Jersey, and the only NBA player I know that might be as much of a red neck as myself.

Quality wise though, yeah howard would get the job done I must admit.

by dkons21 on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 AM PDT 0 recs

Alternate Lakers Deal

If for some reason the Artest/K9 deal doesn’t work with the Lakers (maybe they don’t want to give us Ariza or any other piece to make the contracts work), it looks to me like Artest and Shareef’s contracts would match up almost exactly with Odom’s, meaning maybe the Lakers would do Artest/Reef for Odom/1st rd draft pick. Getting Reef off the books a year early isn’t quite as appealing as doing the same with K9, but it’s still a significant amount of extra cap space and Reef doesn’t really have a place on this team anyways. And I’d love to have another 1st round pick, even if it’s a late one. Something in the back of my head though is telling me that the Lakers can’t trade a draft pick for a couple of years. But could we get their 2010 pick? I’d still take that in a heartbeat.

Our new starting lineup:
G: Beno
G: Martin
F: Cisco/Salmons
F: Odom
C: Miller

Bench: Cisco/Salmons, Hawes, Moore/Thompson, Singletary?

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM PDT 0 recs

...

...and Douby off the bench as well, of course.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 3, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

Picks

A team cannot trade consecutive 1st Round Picks, and Memphis still has another pick coming (in 2010). I don’t know if LAL can trade their 2012 pick this far ahead or not, but that would be the earliest 1st Rounder we could get, unless it’s possible to trade for “future considerations” and just tell them who to pick for us in 2009. But now we’re getting way beyond my understanding of the CBA.

Oh, and just so you know: Artest & K9 for Odom works just fine with no other players involved. No need to swap K9 for SAR to match salaries.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

Oh, thanks.

I’ve been looking for another “trade machine” since ESPN’s isn’t up-to-date and I couldn’t find one, so thanks. Then I semi-withdraw my post about Artest/Reef; if Artest/K9 works with Odom and the Lakers take it then I’d go for that even if they don’t throw-in anyone else. I do wish we could get a draft pick to sweeten the deal for us. I don’t know if I want anything else from the Lakers that they would be willing to give us. Maybe a third team could get involved to take something from the Lakers that we don’t want and give us their draft pick. But I still think that if we can’t get anything worked out to dump K9 with Artest, our next best option is to pair Reef with him. As long as we don’t get more dead weight in return, I’d trade Artest/K9 or Artest/Reef for expiring contracts some re-gifts from Christmas (a Blockbuster gift card with $16 left on it?).

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 3, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Trade Odom?

Section mentioned trading Odom at the deadline for players/picks, so there might be a way to get some picks even if they’re not from LAL.

Aside from that, I imagine GP could probably get a 2nd Rounder thrown into that deal if LAL. Maybe ask for Farmar/Ariza and “settle” for a 2nd Rounder?

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like the Odom idea because I think he has sign and trade value this off-season.

Where I don’t believe that Artest will oblige or yeild the same value as Odom.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed

Plus you’re dumping K9’s salary a year early as well.

Win-Win.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

i agree

especially because i think odom’s production for us (limited pressure, second scoring option, TONS of rebounding opportunities, reasonably uptempo offense/lots of ball movement) would make for very, very attractive numbers in a contract year.

but why does it have to be the LAKERS??!!

by beevenator on Jul 3, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up 0 recs

I know this is a pipe dream but how about this...

Artest, Douby, Williams and a future #1 for Beasley, Mark Blount and Marcus Banks.

Riley would have all the cap space he needs for the big 2010 push and maybe even enough to get Joe Johnson next year. The Kings get their franchise player, take on a bunch more crap and give up a piece of the future but all five starters would be under control for the foreseeable future plus Thompson, Moore, Garcia, Hawes, Banks bench.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:39 AM PDT 0 recs

Nice idea

But I think Riley could do better if he decided to deal Beasley.

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by section214 on Jul 3, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up 0 recs

Maybe but I don't know who would want to take on 12 million+ for the next two years.

Riley really wants to make a run at the 2010 crop so I wouldn’t put it past him to make such a deal.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up 0 recs

He could do better with the Kings

Artest, Miller, future 1st for Beasley, Blount, & Banks works under the cap.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

Hit post too soon

This wouldn’t change the 2010 implications, and it would allow the HEAT to make a run now with Artest & Marion (both expiring contracts).

Wade, Wright(or Maggette-MLE?), Marion, Artest, Miller

That 1st Rounder would be enticing as well with the Kings going into a full “youth movement” after this trade.

Beno, Martin, Salmons/Garcia, Beasley, Hawes

The problem is that this only really saves Miami about $10M between Banks & Beasley because Blount is already a 2010 guy (although he’d be replaced by Miller, so at least he’d be useful).

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

Uh, we have our franchise player, thanks.

I’ll give you a hint, he wears the #23 Jersey

by dkons21 on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

I get what you're saying

But I hope you’re not implying that the Kings shouldn’t go after “another” one, which is what I believe was intended with the original post (and even if it wasn’t, my point still stands).

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

I love Martin but Beasley is the 20/10 guy the Kings need...

the combo of Martin and Beasley would be devastating, add Beno, Garcia, Salmons, Hawes and the Kings would be on pace to compete with the Blazers in two years when they become the real threat.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

Beasley is a beast that was just drafted #2 overall, he has all the tools to dominate, he’s not a piece the Heat could really afford to move because of his talent, even if they are trying to win right now. It’d be one of those moves you absolutely know will come back to bite you. Beasley is a nice pipe dream for Kings fans though

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jul 3, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up 0 recs

Beasley

Riley isn’t sold on him and wants to start winning ‘now’. See my post below.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 3, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah... wasn't thinking clearly.

Obviously we do need some real big men on the floor, I’m just hoping it’s Thomas in Hawes in a year or two.

by dkons21 on Jul 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT 0 recs

Thomas, Kenny?... or Thompson, Jason ;-)

I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea

by kangsfan on Jul 3, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Kenny Thomas

If Kenny Thomas is on the ARCO floor in 2 years, I hope it’s because he’s delivering Sopapillas to the high rollers in Kings Row from the Skyline Lounge.

by #12Pick...who? on Jul 3, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

or perhaps

manning the T-shirt cannon.

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

Didn't you know?

Kenny Thomas is Slamson’s secret identity! Kinda like Bruce Wayne, because Kenny Thomas is a rich, rich man.

by Scirocco on Jul 3, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up 0 recs

er..yeah

Haha, what a day. I did mean Thompson, obviously.

by dkons21 on Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT 0 recs

Ron+SAR for K-Mart v1.0

I was just mulling over Denver’s site, and someone brought up the idea of Kenyon Martin. What do you guys think of packaging Ron and Shareef for K-Mart (and possibly a pick)?

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 12:08 PM PDT 0 recs

ouch

NM, realized that K-Mart has a $15M option in 2010-2011

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

And no knees left at all.

He’s Antonio McDyess all over again. No thanks, too injured, too old for the Kings process.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

Does Orlando want to win now?

If so, are they willing to swap Hedo (and some cap filler) for Ron?

by misterbrister on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM PDT 0 recs

IF you trade him

1) You have to send him to the East – or we’ll really regret it.
(no Lakers!!![Odem – yuck!], no Dallas, no Houston, no KynMartin/Denver – see below)

2) Stop talking about OLD GUYS = 28yrs + – isn’t that what you’ve all been bitching for – a youth movement?

3) Try Miami for Haslem and Beasley (Riley isn’t sold on Beasley – we could make him
a SF?) Try to throw in SAR or K-9

4) Try Charlotte (you make it)

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 3, 2008 12:19 PM PDT 0 recs

Odom is an expiring

Odom is an expiring contract, so he would only be guaranteed to be here for a year. You’ve gotten rid of a problem (Artest) and a bad contract (K9), freeing up some $8 million in 2009.

There is no way in the world the Kings get Beasley for the pieces they have to trade.

by Carl on Jul 3, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

Plus

The idea is to get value back for Artest.

1. This is ridiculous. First of all, you should make the trade that helps your team the most, regardless of where he ends up. Second, he may not stay with the team he’s traded to, so why limit yourself on what could only be a 4-game (head-to-head) difference? For example, trade him to the East and he comes back West next year, you avoid facing him for 4-games; trade him within the West and he heads East, you only had to face him 4 times.

2. As Carl points out, the Odom deal nets you cap space (K9’s contract) and potentially more assets in a future Odom trade (deadline or S&T).

3. The Howard deal also nets you an asset, in that he’s already signed (and his age shouldn’t bother you because he’s the same age as Artest!), and is easier to move in a future trade than Artest as well (think he’s worth Klieza and a late 1st?).

4. I have no idea, if you think Charlotte is a good trading parter, try explaining why. Plus, why would they want him? They don’t fit the mold of a team trying to win it all this year, and that’s pretty much who we’re getting the most value for Artest from.

by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up 0 recs