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Some "Salary" Notes after the Ron-Ron departure to Clutch City

I've seen some mention (mostly from posters on StR) that the Kings were paying luxury tax. But according to everything I could find, from ShamSports, or the ESPN trade checker (go to espn nba page and go to more--that's where you'll find the trade checker--linking it does no good), what may see written is that the Kings were over the luxury tax. Hmmm, this was not so in my calculations, but then again let's test this theory out. With and Departed Ron or WR/DR.

W(ith)R(on): Brad Miller: 11,375,000

Kevin Martin: 8,760,335

Kenny Thomas: 8,562,500

Ron Artest: 7,400,000

Shareef Abdur Rahim: 6,200,000

Mikki Moore: 5,784,480

Beno Udrih: 5,585,000

John Salmons: 5,104,000

Shelden Williams: 3,395,760

Spencer Hawes: 2,180,760

Francisco Garcia: 1,983,453

Jason Thompson: 1,893,840

Quincy Douby: 1,427,040

Sean Singletary: 442,114

Patrick Ewing Jr: 442,114

Bobby Brown: 442,114

Now what does this all add up to besides bibbity bobbity boo? According to my calculations the actual salary is something like this: 70,978,510 (I might be 15 K off so don't sue me, but at worse that's like that's something like 70,995,000). So what's the point? The actual luxury tax threshold is 71,115,000 this season. Or it's something like that. The Kings are in all likelihood 20K away from the threshold.

The Rockets in the meantime, pre-Ron, according to Sham, has nearly 70 million dollars in committed salary (it's actually like 69.96 million or something like that, and that's even farther away from the luxury tax threshold than the Kings are--I'm also going to spare you the long list of Rockets with their individual salary) before the Ron trade. So, keep in mind that the Kings are probably around 70.98 million dollars in luxury tax salary, or 157 thousand under the actual threshold, and the Rockets are approximately 1.2 million dollars under threshold.

So what happened with the actual deal? Well, Let's take Ron out of the equation, and add Bobby Jackson and Donte Green to it:

D(eparted)R(on): Brad Miller: 11,375,000

Kevin Martin: 8,760,335

Kenny Thomas: 8,562,500

Bobby Jackson: 6,987,888

Shareef Abdur Rahim: 6,200,000

Mikki Moore: 5,784,480

Beno Udrih: 5,585,000

John Salmons: 5,104,000

Shelden Williams: 3,395,760

Spencer Hawes: 2,180,760

Francisco Garcia: 1,983,453

Jason Thompson: 1,893,840

Quincy Douby: 1,427,040

Donte Greene: 971,160

Sean Singletary: 442,114

Patrick Ewing Jr: 442,114

Bobby Brown: 442,114

So what's the actual salary assuming that noone off this list gets traded? 71,537,558, which is approximately 420K over the actual luxury tax limit which would cost the Kings 420 something in luxury tax (or 840K total combined salary and dollar for dollar tax), and of course there is the tax payment they would miss by doing this deal assuming they keep all the players on the roster. So? Are they going to do that? If it was you, and you didn't think Ewing, or Singletary were high contributors would you cut either or include one in a trade? Yes, you probably would. So that's really where the speculation (as many of us bandied about in several threads last night) is with the rest of the trade. If the Kings are to send a player in this deal, it's more likely to be either Singletary or Ewing Jr, as opposed to Bobby Brown. That would put the Kings under the luxury tax threshold by including one, or the other, in a trade.

So, while I've seen that the Kings are paying luxury tax this season, what I'm actually seeing is that most pundits who don't know what they're talking about are projecting based on knowing little about what committed team salary the Kings actually have. I'm a Kings fan, and I'm following this daily as it's an important story. If I'm not quite sure of what the actual nature of the contracts that Singletary, Ewing Jr, and Brown signed, how can any pundit certainly know anything 100?

What's my opinion on this? Either the Kings send Singletary or Ewing Jr to the Rockets as part of the swap, or they don't. They cut one, or both, before training camp to save as much money as possible. They could cut all three, but I don't see that being a strong possibility since the franchise went out of the way to sign Bobby Brown (I think they knew about him before Summer League, but that is a hunch).

In the end, I just wanted to give everyone a head's up, that yes, the Kings, if they didn't cut Singletary or Ewing Jr, would in fact pay luxury tax for the upcoming season. I would also like to point out that they only pay the tax at the end of the season, and not before, so they could always cut salary making sure they're well under the threshold before then. That is a likely possibility too if A) they can get somebody to take the crap-pile that is Kenny Thomas, B) if they can either trade Shareef or take his salary off the books due to medical retirement, and C) how creative they are with whom they invite to camp and what they pay them. Everything that a team pays for a player that includes bonus's, training camp invitee's, players you waive during the season, and all those types of things factor into team salary. My summation is that, while I'm not exactly sure what moves are out there for Sacramento to accomplish at this point, it's fairly certain they'll do everything within their power to get some breathing room from the tax in order to collect the luxury tax payment they get for being under the threshold.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Rec’d. Great analysis.

I’d also like to point out the Rockets included $1 million in the deal, which would assumedly cover any luxury tax implications pookey points out above. Of course, room needs to be made on the roster, and Ewing seems almost certain to be done in Sacramento (at the least; I suspect Singletary’s done, too). As far as I know, neither had guaranteed contracts. Brown does.

by Tom Ziller on Jul 30, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought I pointed out that the Rox sent cash (musta forgot)

And I thought I did actually. And, I apparently forgot to mention the whole guaranteed part of Brown’s contract too.

Thanks for the corrections and head’s up TZ.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about?

That million bucks the Rockets are/were supposed to send in the deal? Does it count as a ‘credit’ against the tax or was it just to make the numbers work?

I agree though that one of the second rounders is likely to be thrown in for roster reasons, though I’m not sure how many Houstan has at present.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 30, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

No the cash sent was part of the trade

It has nothing to do with the payment of luxury tax.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess

For BobbyJ you’re relying on Shamsports #. It seems to be $900,000 different from Hoopshype. Didn’t Amick mention $6,090,000 as well?

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 30, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I trust Sham more htan Hoopshype if only for this reason

Sham has Artest’s salary correct, and Hoopshype does not.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes Amick did say that LttG

Said it right here:

As for the numbers, Jackson is set to earn $6.09 million in the final year of his contract and Greene will make $971,160 in the first of his two guaranteed years. Artest will earn $7.4 million in the final season of his deal. – Sam Amick

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adding the trade

$6.090 + $971k + $1mil seems to be closer to Ron’s number of $7.4mil. But both fall in the 125% I guess.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Jul 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

420K over the tax?

Time for Brad to smoke a bowl up and think about this one…

by CloudyEyes on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Of course that may be another issue Cloudy

Brad’s suspension may actually kick the team under the tax. And that’s just based on pure salary and how much is paid out.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

All Right!

Hey, boys, smoke ‘em if you got ‘em!

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 31, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

I was about to ask whether suspended pay counts towards the cap. I guess not.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! I vote a fan throws a beer at Kenny Thomas. No, nevermind, that’s horrible.

Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea

by iashwash on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't work

He’d fetch it, bring it back to you and wait for you to throw it again. Woof!

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by section214 on Jul 31, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

1/2 of the total salary counts against the cap

Via Larry Coon.

Players are not paid while they are suspended. If a player is suspended by his team, then all of his salary counts as team salary. If the player is suspended by the league, then 50% of the salary lost due to the suspension counts as team salary.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Take

I think the only guys who look like they are sure to be here in three years are Martin, Udrih, JT and Greene.

I think the Kings should step up and add Garcia to that list, but right now he’s in limbo.

I would put Williams, Hawes, Douby and Brown in the show-me column for various reasons.

Everyone else will no doubt be out of here.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Aug 2, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Except that Hawes will be here, as he is four years away from a qualifying offer. In three years his contract will be $3 million (team option), which is chicken feed for a 7 footer.

I think that Garcia can be had for a full five year MLE, which the Kings will do, especially if the can deal Salmons.

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by section214 on Aug 2, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't really think about trading Salmons as an option until you brought it up here.

I guess if you have Garcia to start and Jackson to take up the combo guard minutes, dealing Salmons to free up minutes for Greene and possibly JT isn’t a bad idea. I would certainly lock up Garcia before dealing Salmons to keep the bargaining advantage- I like this idea. Salmons could probably yield a first round pick and an expiring contract/trade exemption right now. Maybe a team like the Cavs or the Celtics (to replace Posey) would look to make a move. I also like the idea of 3 first round picks, it free the Kings to make trades to get the player they really want.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three First Rounders?

That sounds like a roster problem. If we assume that B-Jax sticks around (vet min/whatever) then who comes off the roster at the end of the season?

Here’s the likeliest candidates for the three roster spots those picks would need:

  • Expiring Contract/TE (obtained for Salmons in this scenario)
  • Mikki Moore? ($2M? buyout)
  • Bobby Brown? (not picking up his player option)
  • SAR’s Medical Retirement? (possible but not likely, I also don’t see him opting out)

The Kings have a maxed-out roster now, how will they be able to add three more guaranteed contracts next year?

If the Kings get any more picks via trade, they’d probably be better off getting some picks farther down the road (2010, 2011).

I’m not arguing against draft picks (far from it), because even if they’re not used on drafting players they can be used as assets in other trades . . . just pointing out the roster situation that too many picks can cause. Not a terrible problem to have, but a problem none the less.

by smgmatt on Aug 3, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda yes, kinda no

7 guys have guaranteed contracts for next year: Miller, Martin, Thomas, Udrih, Salmons, Thompson and Greene.

Add the re-signing of Garcia to that and you have 8. If Moore is not bought out and ‘Reef does not retire that’s 9 and 10.

Figure the Kings to pick up their player options on Hawes for 11.

That leaves them with player options on Douby, Williams, Singletary and Ewing (and one or more of these guys may be Houston bound). Brown holds the option for his 2nd year.

I don’t think that head count will be a problem once the dust settles.

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by section214 on Aug 3, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

By next year

I mean 2009-10.

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by section214 on Aug 3, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

with smgmatt mostly.

Picks just for picks sake year after year can start an endless rebuilding process, too many young guys all playing for that post rookie contract rather than for the Team. (see Chi, Atl and maybe Ptld? [we’ll see]

I think we have a nice core of young players now and don’t think that unless there’s something special you want that you load up on more just to have them.

I really believe that having both veterans and SELECT young players builds faster.

That being said, I’d be shooting for the best Center prospect I could find next season – (depending on how Beno and BobbyB look)
With Bmiller likely to be gone sometime in the next two years, the Center position must be planned for (not making any Hawes judgements yet), with at least depth in mind.

I’d package those two 1s and perhaps an expiring contract to move up and snag the ‘one’ guy we want. (for once)

I also think there’s a decent chance that a few teams really blow up this next season and go into full rebuilding mode (PHX?) – which creates opportunities for that key star veteran aquisition that I’d happily give up my picks for.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Aug 6, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you account for the future with B-Jax in mind

But that’s a personal opinion. He’s just too old to expect anything otherwise. In otherwords, because at his age you expect to replace him with someone, it’s already a concern.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Aug 6, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Beno

wrapped up, you can look at young guys as back-ups for the next year or so and see how it goes…..

A 2nd Center – we’ll need to start developing asap

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Aug 6, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

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