Kings 2008 Summer League – Player Rankings
(From the FanPosts. Sussing out Darnell Jones' potential is much better than arguing Ron-Ron for the 250th time, in my opinion. - TZ)
Some of you know about my statistical system that scores current college players by comparing them to past college players. Since we have some new faces coming to the Kings’ Summer League team I thought I would take a look at these players from a statistical prospective to see how they measure up and who may be sleepers (if anybody) to make the team based on past performance.
(Note: “Inc.” means that I could not find statistics to score that player)
Guards:
Quincy Douby (PG/SG)/6-3, Score = 87.5
Sean Singletary (PG)/6-0, Score = 86.5
Zabian Dowdell (PG/SG)/6-3, Score = 78.5
Bo McCalebb (PG/SG)/6-0, Score = 77.5
Marcus Malone (SG)/6-5, Score = 36
Darnell Jones (PG/SG)/6-4, Score = 26
David Johnson (PG/SG)/6-4, Score = Inc.
I hope this is Douby’s year. He needs to really shine in Summer League this time. I am hoping this is the season he shows his potential. I have faith in him still! Sean looks to be a very solid back-up behind Beno Udrih. He has the talent to possibly challenge Beno in the next couple seasons for the starting role. I look for him to be one of the better point guards in the camp, especially among the rookies. Zabian Dowdell and Bo McCalebb both have a chance to make a roster somewhere if they can show to be really good in at least one or two areas. Players scoring in the 70s will rarely ever play major minutes unless they do at least one thing very well. Bo (at only 6’ tall) was a big time scorer for the past two seasons (25.0 and 23.2 ppg respectively) for the New Orleans Privateers (who?) and shot the ball fairly well (50.5 FG%, 40% 3-pt) but will need to be able to shoot lights out and score very consistently to make the Kings. Both he and Zabian do not seem to be true playmaking point guards so they will have to either be fantastic lock-down defenders or lights-out scorers to make the Kings. Marcus Malone played on Houston and showed little signs of life. He averaged 7.2 points in 23 minutes of action with 1.5 assists while shooting a whopping 35% from the field. He has basically no chance to make the team. Darnell Jones played for Mesa College. Yah, a big powerhouse. Not only is that a WEAK college but he was not even close to being the best player on the team. He shot 33.5% from the field (32% 3-pt) and averaged just over 8 points per game with 2 assists and 3.9 rebounds. His stats indicate he played more of the big guard role ala Quincy Douby. Why he is on this summer league team I absolutely have no clue.
Forwards:
Jason Thompson (PF/C)/6-11, Score = 89
Matt Walsh (SG/SF)/6-6, Score = 85
Justin Hawkins (SF)/6-7, Score = 70
Patrick Ewing, Jr. (SF)/6-8, Score = 67
Juan Palacios (SF/PF)/6-8, Score = 56
Noel Felix (SF/PF)/6-9, Score = 41.5
Patrick Sanders (SG/SF)/6-6, Score = 40
Matt Walsh looks like a possible player. For a 6-6 guard/forward he has some decent passing skills and a decent stroke. He shot 42.6% from 3-pt range in a tough conference in his junior year at Florida. He has some athleticism and can create his own shot fairly well. He may score pretty well in Summer League but with Garcia, Artest, Martin, Salmons and Ewing on the roster, he has very, very little chance to make the roster. Justin Hawkins is an interesting player. He is a very good scorer and is fairly athletic. He played under Reggie Theus for two seasons at New Mexico State so Reggie should know about what he getting. To make the team he is going to have to show something very special. He is a longshot but should be fun to watch. Patrick Ewing only scores a 67 but he excels in areas that just are impossible to quantify statistically. He is a superstar athlete and a lock-down defender. He also has that ability to just go non-stop for every second he is on the floor. He will tip the ball away, dive for loose balls and harass everybody he can. His score should probably be more in the mid-seventies because of those intangibles but even still, I find it hard to believe that he will make a big impact on the Kings this season, if he even makes the team. Juan Palacios, Noel Felix and Patrick Sanders have basically no shot to make the roster.
Centers:
Spencer Hawes (C)/7-0, Score = 91
Shelden Williams (PF/C)/6-9, Score = 86.5
Darian Townes (PF/C)/6-10, Score = 80
I can’t wait to see Spencer’s new hook shot. He said he would be working on it this offseason so I look forward to the unveiling. Shelden needs to bring it this season. It’s now or never for him. Darian Townes is a guy that can rebound fairly well, score fairly well, block shots fairly well and shoots a high percentage of 60% from the field. 21 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 1.9 bpg per 40 minutes. Those are very solid numbers but nothing extra special. He could possibly push Spencer and Shelden a bit in practice but as far as making the team, I really doubt it. A good showing though, could get him taken in the NBDL draft.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Well
I have seen MUCH WORSE than Ewing, Jr. however, not as the 43rd pick in the draft. I still don’t know why the Kings brass didn’t take a chance on Bill Walker or Richard Hendrix.
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Amen brother
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Or what about Goran Dragic? He's a PG
They neeeded a PG did they not? But Hendrix and Walker make equal amount of sense too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Goran
I agree. I only point out Hendrix and Walker because I feel they have the best chance at impacting the Kings right away and possibly becoming exciting players especially with Walker. Goran seems like a player with less upside though would have been much more what the Kings need. I don’t really know why Petrie thinks Ewing, Jr. is the answer. I guess he is just going to be coming into the game late in the fourth quarter to guard Kobe or LeBron? Seems odd to use a 43rd draft pick for such a situational player. I don’t think one player can stop those guys anyway. Boston showed it takes a team effort.
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Not only that
The chance to impact the roster in case of injury is always something to remember too. I find it more curious that Ewing Jr was selected than I do anything else that has happened in the last month. I think Walker would have been a better choice to help the roster next season than Dahntay Jones was last season. Mebbe. (That’s why many of us raised 2 eyebrows about Ewing Jr’s selection. Or at least that’s why I did.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Passing on Walker at 43
Was actually the most disappointing thing (for me) that happened on draft day.
Walker
Hawes and Walker could’ve bonded over shared experiences with major knee problems. Shareef Abdur-Rahim could join in as the wise elder statesman. I think this could be a great sitcom.
"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest
nice dalt
curious….for the pro guys (doubster, hawes, etc.) i’m assuming you used last year’s pro stats (and not college stats?)
if so, is there any way you can also give ratings for those guys with their last college year stats as well?
Always College
I always use college stats for the scores. The scores for Douby, Shelden, etc. are all taken from their college stats. So, they won’t change as time goes on unless I feel that I gave an incorrect modifier when I first scored them. For instance, Shelden was originally scored an 88.5 but I had placed him as strictly a power forward. I now see that he has more of a center skill-set similar to Brian Grant, Brian Skinner or Danny Fortson. So, like those players, due to his height (only 6’9”) he gets a negative modifier of an additional 2 more. Other than that, statistics never change and the school they come from never changes so the score also will not change.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
Dalt you know I like your system cuz I've told you before
But it is too simple to say that the Summer League seems less about finding players to compete in spots less than it is for the Brass upstairs to use Summer League to judge the 1st round talent they’ve already selected? (Cuz that seems what it is to me. Give these guys a chance to shine with little competition and see how they do or something like that. Something about the high low nature of these scores bother me, and maybe that’s a simple coincidence.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Hmm
I’m not sure I followed your point exactly, so if this response it off the mark I apologize in advance.
Dalt’s system is based around how likely a player is to make it in the NBA, and what their possible ceiling is. My guess is that the large gap in numbers for the Summer League roster reflects this fact, because most players on Summer League rosters will not have a lengthy career in the L.
Yeah his numbers are based on those facts (and I stated my point poorly too)
So like a good marine I’ll plug away. (Joke—don’t take it personally.)
The first part I’m making is that it seems Petrie is interested in seeing the 1st round picks he’s selected in the first round the last several years, and the guy he picked up in a trade last season, go to summer league and show off a little. Maybe build some confidence that coming into training camp can’t be duplicated. My guess is that some of these guys didn’t represent what Kings brass felt internally would be the collective 17 best players they could have sent to Vegas. Do I have anything to prove it? Nope, not a tit or a tittle. And that’s the enjoyable theory. I have my theories and don’t have to prove them. Hehe
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Possibly
I understand your point. I thought that too actually. I think some of these players are there just to fill the roster out and push the contract players a bit in practice. I don’t think Petrie picked these players with thoughts of them making the team. Only Zabian and Bo McCalebb seem to have any chance at all to really fight for a roster spot as the 15th man. The forwards they brought in are all fairly unexciting with the possible exception of Matt Walsh.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
so...
why isn’t Ron Artest on the Summer Leauge team? 251! 251!
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
Not 100% on this...
But aren’t players only eligible for summer league during their first 3 seasons?
"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest
I seem to remember
Didn’t Ron play a game or two in summer league for the Kings the first summer after arriving in Sacramento.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!
Summer League Info
From the CBA:
Section 4. Summer Leagues.
(a) No NBA Team may simultaneously enroll more than four (4) Veterans in any summer basketball league during an off-season. For purposes of this Section 4(a), the following players are not considered Veterans:
(1) a player who has never signed a Player Contract or whose first Player Contract begins with the Season immediately following the off-season in which such summer league is to be conducted;
(2) a player not under contract to an NBA Team at the time he enrolls in such summer league;
(3) a player under contract to an NBA Team but who missed twenty-five (25) or more of the Team’s games during the Regular Season immediately preceding such off-season due to injury or illness; and
(4) a player who played for a team in the NBA Development League or any other U.S.-based professional league during all, or any portion, of the Regular Season immediately preceding such off-season.
Looks like the Kings are only sending three veterans (Douby, Williams & Hawes), since Thompson, Singletary, & Ewing, Jr. don’t count as such. I was looking for a rule about years played for a reason why they wouldn’t send a 4th player (Garcia?) . . . so maybe Pookey’s theory is better than I originally thought.
This team looks like it’s there to find answers to some of our burning questions concerning the youth on the roster (current, new, and recently drafted).
According to Section 4(a)(3)
Hawes is not a veteran.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions
Quincy Douby
I-Doubylieve, Douby is going to light it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He'd better
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
EWING jr
I think they drafted him
1. because they Know he’s not likely to make the roster, so no pain
2. Patrick Ewing
3. He’s supposedly a real defensive ‘stopper’ off the bench, might be useful in a year or two.
eternal skeptical optimist
Signed?
I heard on the radio this morning that Singletary & EJ signed . . . does that meant that they now occupy roster spots, or are they (more likely) just non-guaranteed contracts?
This isn’t specifically for you LttG (#1 on your list made me think of it though), but to anyone who might know.
Daniel Artest
No Daniel Artest?! Remember when we signed up Ronnie’s bro…probably just to try to appease Ronnie. Daniel was really out of shape.
your "system" is hilarious
do you actually watch games or do you just study stats all day on the internet…?
you’re not at the practices, you’re not at the games… you’re at home sitting in front of your computer, typing out blogs about players you have no clue about…
you should probably leave the scouting to people who actually know what talent looks like…
That's a very dumb statement
Please stop making them.
Signed, people who are smart enough to make distinctions for themselves
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
What's with the influx
Of anti-social, mouthbreathing dumbf#cks lately?
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
They think I'm important and they're following my lead
That’s the only thing I can think of.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I knew it!
I’m totally going to get you one of these.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 10, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally!!!!
If you can find it in 3xl and short sleeves im totally game LPA!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Jim Rome Fans
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 11, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I Score That Comment a 9
Actually, is there something I said in my post about a player that you disagree with? If so, say so, so that we all can discuss it. No, I don’t go to games or practices to scout out these players but I have watched college basketball for 30 years and have been involved in statistics for over 25 years. I think you would be surprised how much you can tell about a player from their statistics. It is not just how many points they score or how many assists they have, it’s a combination of a LOT factors too many to mention. The combinations are almost endless. Anyway, just because someone goes to games and watches practices, it doesn’t mean they are flawless at picking out talent. Just look at New York.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

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