Amick on Artest Trade: 'Could Happen Quickly'
by Ziller on Jul 9, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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This Sam Amick blog post was linked in the Footnotes, but some of it deserves fuller citation:
As for future roster movement beyond second-round pick signings or summer league surprises, there is little to watch for from here on out other than a potential Ron Artest trade.
I've been told by numerous reliable people that it could happen quickly and that the Kings have already received calls from some of the expected pursuers of the small forward. The Lakers rang with no call back as yet from the Kings, and it appears the pieces in that possible deal have not changed. The Lakers are willing to offer forward Lamar Odom, but the question is whether they're willing to take on the contract of forward Kenny Thomas.
As much as I'd like to see a Ron-Ron + K-9 (woof!) for Odom deal happen, there's something inherently pleasing about the notion of a forlorn Mitch Kupchak waiting by his phone for a callback from Geoff Petrie.
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think the clippers are calling?
now that maggette is heading out, they might be eyeing artest a little harder.
by sactoreg on Jul 9, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
If Brand comes back, the Clips are in “win now” mode and willing to take a chance with Artest. As it stands, I’m not sure he would be worth the risk for them. I don’t think they’re a playoff team right now. Maybe they win 45 games and get swept in the first round with Good Ron. But is Bad Ron worth the risk, given so little reward?
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom
If Odom is going to be making $14.5M this coming season, and Artest is making $8.5M, how can the deal get done without including K-9? If the Lakers are truly calling, looking to deal, they must know that they’ll need to take back another player beside Artest.
by LiquidPolio on Jul 9, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
After the Gasol trade
Maybe they’re looking at Miller, while throwing in Vlad-Rad’s contract to balance it out.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad-Rad
Vlad-Rad may be a disappointment (I remember once reading that some scouts expected him to be the next Nowitzki), but I’d still much rather have him around than Thomas.
"Matt Lauer, up on NBC. You look like a girl, don't talk to me" -Ron Artest
by Exhibit G on Jul 9, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
In the scenario I gave above, we’d still have Thomas!
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Of course. I would think Kenny Thomas is the perfect piece.
Please… I can envision Odom in a Kings jersey.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jul 9, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trades that work
Artest and Mikki Moore for Odom
Artest and Shareef for Odom
Artest and K9 for Odom
Artest and John Salmons for Odom (This is a complete non-starter).
My guess is that the Lakers are asking for Mikki Moore and the Kings are offering Kenny Thomas. My hope is that Petrie isn’t sitting on his hands because he’s afraid to make a move.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no reason to do Ron and Mikki for Odom.
As Mikki’s last year in his contract is nonguaranteed, so we wouldn’t get any assets aside from having odom for one year before he bolts. Why make a trade when you don’t get any assets back?
by moproblemz on Jul 9, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto for SAR
If his medical retirement goes through, then this is the same scenario with Artest & Shareef for Odom.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto for SAR?
If his medical retirement goes through, then this is the same scenario with Artest & Shareef for Odom.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what other assets would you want
Farmar+Vujacic will be looking for big extensions soon (and I don’t think either is necessarily much better than Beno). I love the big Frenchie, but you know…. he’s French. Ariza looks to be part of their long-term, and I really don’t find much use for anybody else on their roster that they can give up. How many pciks do they have?
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you'd want them to take K9's contract since that is the only asset they can offer,
with no first round picks to their name for the foreseeable future and no young players they don’t plan on keeping.
by moproblemz on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guh
The biggest part of the deal (for me) is dumping K9’s salary a year early.
Everything other than that (Odom trying out for an extension, re-trading Odom before the deadline, S&T Odom next year) is all very nice, and part of the equation, but the meat of the deal is getting K9 off the books.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides, K-9 will look good in the purple and gold
He’ll become this year’s honorary DJ Mbenga.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
I wouldnt be mad with this trade. Although, the thought of having Kevin Martin being locked by Artest for the next few years would be a bit scary. I would just HATE for the Lakers to win another chip’ while I’m still alive….But if we could throw in K-9, you’d have to consider it..
Side note: Ive clubed with K-9 in Hollywood before… The Puppy loves LA!!!!
by Hoops916 on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look
WHO CARES ABOUT MAKING THE LAKERS BETTER.
SO UR NOT WILLING TO MAKE A DEAL THAT WOULD MAKE THE KINGS MUCH BETTER LONG TERM AND SHORT TERM BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP THE LAKERS WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jul 9, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
Nah, I didnt say that. Ease up on the assumptions champ!
what i WAS saying is that just as it was a good thing for us that Brand packed his bags and is moving out East…. It would be a good thing not to have to play against Artest 4 times a year.
by Hoops916 on Jul 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition..
A 2-3 combo of Kobe and Artest would be damn scary on paper. (Jury is still out on whther or not they would actually be a good fit)
Nut I’d like that combo over Martin and Salmons (or Garica) every day of the week….Hate to say it!
by Hoops916 on Jul 9, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be fun to watch
Kobe play with a guy who thinks he’s Kobe.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
there’s something inherently pleasing about the notion of a forlorn Mitch Kupchak waiting by his phone for a callback from Geoff Petrie.
Such a happy thought!
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At present
Ron Artest seems the NBA equivalent of the Commodities Market, overvalued, highly tradable, volatile and potentially damaging if not moved quickly .
by rbiegler on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
now, if only he could do this to kevin pritchard
I will be a happy man.
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woops
meant to reply to LPA’s post
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idea
Let’s send Geoff on a little spelunking tour of Carlsbad.
Beautiful scenery, goodwill gesture from the fan base, no cell phone access in the caves….
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout a 3 way?
and not the king Justin Williams likes (although I wouldn’t mind one).
Who else could use Odom that could have some young guys/picks we might like.
Just curious, because I would still love to land Odom
by vfettke on Jul 9, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No need
If getting rid of Kenny Thomas’ contract is value enough for trading Ron Artest (I’m not saying that it is, this is a hypothetical), or if you like Odom but want something else instead, then the best route to go would be to take the Odom deal while it’s available, and try to re-trade Odom before the Trade Deadline this year.
As long as Odom isn’t packaged with another player from the Lakers (in the Artest/K9-Odom deal there aren’t any), then he can be re-traded at any time. There’s no need to try and please a third party for a 3-team deal, when you could take Odom (dumping K9 in the process) and then find out what the best offer for Odom is on the open market.
I have no problem getting Odom and then re-trading him, but I think that would be the way to do it over a more complicated (read: less likely to happen) 3-team trade.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the kings would make the playoffs with this team plus Odom.
Which would again keep us just barely enough in contention to keep our hopes up but with little chance of advancing deep into the playoffs.
by moproblemz on Jul 9, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiousity...
1. Does that mean that you think that Odom is a better fit for the Kings than Artest?
2. Who do you think is the better player in general (team fit not withstanding)?
I’ve read a lot about Artest/Odom and this is the first time I’ve seen a comment like this, so it piqued my interest.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that...
The move down from Artest to Salmons is smaller than the move up from Mikki to Odom. Plus Mikki gets to come off the bench which he was supposed to do from day one; coupled with a new consistency at the PG means we win more games. I think that Artest is the better player in the trade, but the way our team has a glutton of skill at the SF position it allows skilled players like Salmons and Garcia more time on the court and unskilled players, Mikki, less time. Obviously in my assumptions I am assuming we play Odom at the 4 instead of the 3.
by moproblemz on Jul 9, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Nice Response
I totally understand where you’re coming from now. Thanks.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points all around
I hadn’t thought it about it that way. You make some very good points. Recommended post.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
I think Odom makes the team better during the regular season. Why? Rebounding.
Salmons is a good defender, and very athletic and fit (in one post-game thead, TZ noted that he played 50+ minutes and was still running). While Salmons is in no way the player Artest is, Salmons at the three creates more distribution optons for K-Mart, gives Beno another slasher, gives Miller somebody to feed the ball too.
Odom does his thing with or without the ball, and grabbing all those balls will help the teams fast-break oppurtunities tremendously. Plus, Odom’s versatility gives the Kings ridiculous control of the lineup – Kings can go super huge (Miller/Mikki, Hawes/Thompson, Odom, K-Mart, Salmons/Cisco) or super small (Odom, Salmons, K-Mart, Cisco, Beno) and be very productive either way – which really helps with the nightly grind of the NBA. WIth most of our players playing multiple positions (hell, I think Beno and Shelden are the only players stuck in their postion), the Kings can respond readily to injury – and give guys the breaks they need during the season. Miller plays less minutes because Mikki is now a real backup, which means he gets hurt less and can therefore play more games, which as we saw in the past season is a key component to this version of the Kigns being successful.
So, with Odom – the Kings become theoretically “deeper” – which increases their health. And, with no more locker embarassments, the coaching staff can focus more on the other players and bring about a really tough-minded team. That kind of team can earn an eighth spot in the playoffs.
Concluding, I’m basically saying that while Artest might offer more, Odom offers the Kings more, and with dumping K-9s contract, we are getting value back – just the value of our other players. Which is a really long version of what mo was saying.
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This sounds a lot like
the trade the Kings did a few years back of Corliss (1st tour) for Christie. On paper, sort of a wash, but in reality it opened up minutes for Peja (at that time a back up for Corliss), took away minutes from Nick Anderson (at that time a stiff) and made the Kings all around much better. I’m not saying this move will have the same overall effect as that one, but its a step in the right direction.
I might be talking myself into doing this even for Mikki Moore and Artest, although the K-9 deal is much sweeter.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 9, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one advantage
The one advantage of sending Mikki is that Jason Thompson becomes the backup. If the Artest and K9 for Odom deal happens, Thompson won’t see the floor this season.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too worried about that
I think an aging Miller and an improving shawes will force the hand of the youth movement, i think. Besides, with big guys it’s best to take it slow. Thompson is “NBA-ready” but I’d still like to see him put on some girth before he starts banging in the same conference as Shaq, Dampier, Bynum, and Yao.
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see.
I don’t trust Reggie Theus with the young guys. The Maloofs practically had to threaten him to get him to start playing young players in a dead-end season. I’m a proponent of throwing guys out there to see what they can do. You don’t get better by watching on the sideline. If Mikki Moore can play NBA Power Forward with the body he has, Jason Thompson will have no problem.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of K9(woof!) now
You could always deal Mikki to a contender that needs a big off the bench at the deadline. You might not get a ton for him, but unlike the poodle, Bluetooth is tradeable.
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by section214 on Jul 9, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I agree that getting rid of K9 is too good to pass up. I was just pointing out that there is some argument to made for including Mikki instead. You’re right that Mikki could be dealt at any time because he has actual value around the league.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play the young guys
I’m so in agreement with your sentiment Carl. Especially relating to this year and the power forward position. It seems Jason Thompson is NBA-ready because of his size (bigger than Anthony Randolph!) and age/maturity (senior/college grad). Everyone seems to complain about the hydra and our terrible power forward situation (I think Mikki’s a good back-up), so how could giving Thompson some starts to see what he can do & build his confidence be wrong? He could be a budding rookie of the year candidate with enough minutes (like Horford last year, just rebound & block shots young man!). He could need some time…so ok, let the back-up come in earlier and play more minutes for awhile. I’m just not a fan of drafting for a major need and then letting your young, motivated, big dreams rookie sit on the bench and watch…Mikki? K9?, Shareef (post knees)? Oh yeah, give Sheldon some minutes too.
by busybe on Jul 9, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give the young guys
every minute that they earn. I want to see them play, too. But not until they can out play the vets. Hawes will be better because he had to work his arse off for his minutes last year. Don’t just hand Thompson the keys. Make him earn it.
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by section214 on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earning minutes
Ok. I remember someone making a similar point that I readily accepted last time I took this stance. I just think/hope it takes about 5 minutes for the young, hungry power forward to out play and earn minutes from…once again…bluetooth, K9, and no knees.
by busybe on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken and the egg
Young guys will never outplay vets if they never play. It’s better for the future of the team for Jason Thompson to play than for Mikki Moore to play. I don’t particularly care if Mikki can put up 9 and 6 while Thompson is only good for 8 and 5 his first season. Thompson should play because he’s the future of the team.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Yes! Couldn’t have said it better.
by busybe on Jul 9, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But -
That’s what practice is for. A young player earns his minutes by what he accomplishes in practice. Then he has to translate that to the game. What you’re hoping for at that point is that Theus doesn’t give them a quick hook for making a couple of rookie mistakes.
I would much rather see Thompson than Moore, but only after Thompson is eating Moore’s lunch in practice.
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by section214 on Jul 10, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The quick hook
The quick hook is definitely what worries me, but I agree with your point.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's rec'd
Simply becuz you won that argument hook line sinker & salmon.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point, but...
I see your point, but I don’t think NBA players really get better at practice. This team is (or should be) rebuilding. You don’t rebuild by playing Mikki Moore for the next two years because Jason Thompson doesn’t dominate him at practice.
Same thing with Spencer Hawes. When Brad Miller is healthy (like he was most of last season) he’s going to outplay Spencer Hawes in practice. Does that mean that Hawes hasn’t earned his minutes? No. I don’t necessarily think Hawes should start over Miller, but Hawes should absolutely get substantial minutes regardless of what happens in practice. The Kings have too much invested in him to do any different.
Jason Thompson is the future and Mikki Moore is the past. I don’t see handcuffing Thompson to the bench until he dominates Moore in practice. Let the kid play.
by Carl on Jul 10, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Carl, I agree with your stance…arguement?... hook, line, and sinker! Unless Mikki is dominating Thompson in practice, I don’t think Thompson should have to sit on the bench and admire Mikki’s fine work at power forward. No telling what his first year could be like unless you unleash him with the Arco crowd behind him and let Mikki support HIM. He should be the future, the future starts now. Miller may still have some things to teach Hawes, but we’re talking about Mikki Moore-the guy everyone likes to make fun of for his hands, career stats, etc. To me, Mikki is the PERFECT guy to let a rookie start and then mentor and motivate him.
by busybe on Jul 10, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
In my simple minded figurin’, I also think Thompson as a starter should fit better with Miller (rookie, vet) – and Mikki would fit better with Hawes (vet, rookie).
by busybe on Jul 10, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an intriguing point
And a hard argument to overcome particularly if Thompson starts off over the course of the season. (It also may mean that Thompson may have to come off the bench until Miller can start again too.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
Shawes been in the league longer, but Thompson’s more NBA-ready.
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by iashwash on Jul 10, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be true too
If that’s the case Thompson is a better selection than we thought.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
that NBA players don’t get better at practice, but I don’t consider most rookies NBA players.
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by section214 on Jul 10, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then agree with this
Coaches look at players taking practice seriously as their commitment to work at their game without the coaches breathing down their ass to do it.
I also think coaches prefer to see passion & fire when nobody is watching, as opposed to seeing it on the floor with some player during a game when thousands of fans are watching.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
acting like a professional. Yep, I can agree with that.
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by section214 on Jul 10, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But how many guys act that way consistently? After all, the reason alot of stars don’t practice is that their paid to win games, and not expend energy at practice. Michael Jordan was the exception to that rule. Which surprises no one I’m sure.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure he needs to
be outplaying Moore in practice. Maybe just at the same level. If you’re a contender, then all else equal, you play the vet. If you’re rebuilding, then all else equal, you play the youngin.
Other than that I agree with your point, earn the minutes.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 11, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If he’s matching Moore he deserves equal minutes plus a bonus for being the future.
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by section214 on Jul 11, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, as you know
That’s not the way things work with Reggie.
Reggie tries to win games because he knows coaches who win 25-30 games suddenly aren’t coaches.
All things being equal, Reggie’s going to lean towards the vet until it’s clear the rookie is the better option for winning games NOW, not in some other Kings coach’s future.
Because of that, and because Petrie is pretty much wired the same way, any post that speculates or proposes a move that clearly is aimed at making the team better later rather than sooner is probably flawed.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 11, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with 214
But do give them the chance to take minutes. Also if I couldn’t remove k-9 from the equation than I’f move MM. He’s an asset to a playoff team.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young guys
More to the point of this thread, Yes-trade Artest. For Odom, yes. Heck, if Turiaf was available and could’ve sign & traded (could he?) I’d take him for Artest (maybe with filler and/or draft picks). He’s only 25, 6’10”, 250ish?, energetic, young vet, likes to block shots.
by busybe on Jul 9, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team won’t make the playoffs as long as Beno Udrih is the starting point guard.
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by kingme18 on Jul 9, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
If you mean Beno at the point is the CAUSE of not making the playoffs.
But we’ll have to wait and see what he can do.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll tell this straight up… I don’t like Beno’s 32 million dollar deal. He’s not a true point guard, he has a high turnover rate. The Kings turned the ball way too many times last year and that cost the team the ability to win more consistently on the road.
I think Beno is a back-up.
Obviously not because there are many more factors such as incompetent rebounding and defense as well but Beno at the point will hurt the team a lot.
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by kingme18 on Jul 9, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I have reservations about his 5-year deal as well, but some of your other comments made me look up some stats (see below).
Your opinion of Beno being a back-up I have no problems with, as it is your opinion, but the evidence you brought against him doesn’t back up the assertion that:
This team won’t make the playoffs as long as Beno Udrih is the starting point guard.
Obviously Mike Bibby was good enough to lead the Kings to the playoffs (as title contenders, no less) and his turnover rate (2.48 per game career average) is practically identical to Beno’s TO rate (2.28 per game) last year, and it can be pretty safely said that Bibby was also not a “true” point guard.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great post
Great stats, very educational. I like Beno, but even I wouldn’t have guessed that he compared that well with Bibby.
I still think people need to wait and see what happens this season with Beno. Give him a training camp and a steady line-up before he’s written off as a career back-up.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torn
On one hand we have so much upside for the Kings
1. We finally lose K9’s disgusting contract
2. Kevin Martin is now given more freedom to showcase his skills as the centerpiece of the offense.
3. Odom brings rebounding and an overall game at the 3 (Good enough to help bring a Laker team that was not supposed to do anything last year to the NBA Finals)
4. Odom has an expiring contract so that gives the Kings even more cap space for next years free agency as well as the following year which includes incredible talent available (AKA Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and most of the class of 2003)
Downside
1. We help the Lakers (Since when did the Lakers become the team the everyone trades their best players for cap space?)
2. We help the Lakers (Artest, despite being deranged in every sense of the word, is still one of the best one on one defenders in the league, do you really give that up to a title contender in you conference and division?)
The Odom for Artest and K9 trade has much more reward than risk for the Kings. However are the Kings willing to allow a team in their division to have another key piece for a title run?
Last question: When was the last trade within a division that involved key players?
by the3rdK-Mart on Jul 9, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulls-Pacers with Miller and Artest? I’m sure there’s something more recent, though.
by Ziller on Jul 9, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm hard pressed
to come up with anything else.
by misterbrister on Jul 9, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so worried about the Lakers
By the time the Kings are (theoretically) in line to contend for a title, Kobe’s likely to be running out of steam. And Artest will probably be on to the Knicks or whatever team is going to open the wallet at the end of next season.
It is painful to think he could be the piece to put them over the top this season, but that is balanced by the very good odds that the Kobe/Artest/Phil Jackson triangle could be the most entertaining (not necessarily on the court) thing the NBA has seen in years.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on Jul 9, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
good odds that the Kobe/Artest/Phil Jackson triangle could be the most entertaining (not necessarily on the court) thing the NBA has seen in years.
Now, for the sake of every NBA fan in the league, we must trade Artest to the Lakers. Kobe’s leadership is defined by everyone knowing he’s the best player on the team. Well, what happens when one of his teammates, through insanity, doesn’t realize this fact? Not only must this trade happen, but a reality tv show must be tailored this. What would you watch? Artest killing Kobe, or Flava Flav hitting on another, even sluttier female?
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnnny-Ronnnn
(meant to sound like Flaaava Flaavvv)
by misterbrister on Jul 9, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A reach, but
Scola from SA to Houston?
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by section214 on Jul 9, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other Teams' Focus on Defense
While bringing Odom in would be an upgrade in rebounds in general; I have to wonder if it might lead to stagnation on offense. As it is now, other teams know that Artest and Martin are going to be the offensive focal points for the Kings. If you remove Artest from the equation, what’s to stop other teams from triple-teaming K-Mart and getting the ball out of his hands? As much as I hated watching Ron pound the ball in crunch time and take fall away 3 pointers as the shot clock expired, other teams knew that was a viable offensive “set” for the Kings and that took some pressure off Kevin if he did receive the ball. Unless someone emerges as another 20+ points a night scorer on the team, I fear we would see a lot of 75 point performances most nights from the Kings’ offense.
Salmons showed moments of inspiration when he got starter’s minutes, but will he consistently perform at that level for a season? Maybe Brad needs to keep practicing those 18 foot jumpshots from the corner of the key? Odom isn’t a high point scorer, more of a triple-double threat. Can Beno be counted on to distribute and score the ball? It seemed like he did one or the other most games last year, but not both. Perhaps Jason Thompson gets the green light whenever he gets the ball? That’s a lot of responsibility for a rookie. Douby is a chucker, maybe he gets more minutes?
Defense wins championships, but you still have to score more points than the other team to win.
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 9, 2008 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does it always have to be the SAME person?
It wouldn’t be crazy to think that one of Salmons, Odom, Miller (not to mention Garcia, Beno, or Hawes) could drop 20 on a given night, it just might not always be the same guy who does it night-in and night-out . . . but would that be such a bad thing?
You mentioned other teams keying on Artest & Martin (and focusing on Martin without Artest there), so if the other 20-point scorer wasn’t known before tipoff, that would mean that the other team couldn’t game plan ahead of time to stop them. I’m not overly concerned with Martin getting his points, he’s too efficient not to, but this unknown could actually work to the Kings advantage.
Another thing to think of is what if nobody else scored 20, but everyone else scored 12-16? Having everyone in double-digits can get you to 100 just as easily as a couple of 25-point guys can, right?
Just something to throw out there.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds Familiar
Kinda like when we knew Mitch would get his, but maybe someone else could have a good night too?
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 9, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Salmons is a bit better than Walt Williams in the scoring aspect
Also it’s easier to score in 2008 than it was in 1996.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rattle Seattle!
As long as I don’t ever have to endure Duane Causwell again, I’ll be ok. ;-)
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 9, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen brotha!
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be OK
I think you’d definitely be looking at a scoring by committee approach. Salmons would be in the 16-18 point range as a starter. Odom would be in the 15 point range, Brad at 12-14, Beno at 14-16 and Martin at 22-25. None of the guys outside of Martin are standout scorers, but they’re all good at scoring the basketball. Odom doesn’t make the Kings a championship (or playoff) team, but I don’t think he makes them any worse on offense.
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick thought
Odom isn’t a high point scorer,
Is anyone on the L*kers a high point scorer besides Kobe? I don’t think Odom was even a third option in that offense.
He might show a more offensive-minded side as a King.
TickTickTickTickTickTick
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non-Kobe Factor
Odom had one 17 pt. average season on the Clippers and another with Miami—the rest of his career, including the other years on the Clippers, were pretty much around the 14-15 pt. average seasons…which happens to be his average on the Lakers as well.
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 9, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no brainer
isn’t the odom for artest/k9 a no-brainer? its only because its the Lakers that any of us even hesitate, isnt’ it? out of the playoff teams shouldn’t be worried about “helping” a foe within the division… and there IS the prospect that the trade might backfire on the hated Lake-show…. RR misses alot of games, is psycho for at least 5 games per season, and even the Zen-master may have no way to connect/inspire RR to accept his role… Odom is a very good player… clearly he shrinks in the spot-light, but we are far from spotlight moments… worse case for us, he walks, and lots of money is available a year early… which in my view is the best time to pickup a 2010 free agent anyway via trade so that you have their “bird rights” and can offer more money and years than any of the other suitors.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 9, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what I prefer
Using Artest/K9 to get Odom out of LA and include a 3rd team to get a piece the Kings can really use. Getting cap flexibility before the 2009 summer just won’t happen unless the whole team is filled with expiring conracts.
As far as a straight up deal with K9/Artest for Odom I don’t prefer it. It’s just that simple. I see the “idea” behind Odom, but I don’t see where long or short term it makes much difference. All Odom really will do is sow up the Kings 3rd option up tight. The Kings need alot more than that especially considering Odom will be making over 14 million next season. I don’t really prefer this deal, but if it’s the best deal out there you do have to do it. Ugh.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
$14million piece?
a trade including a third team would require us to get back roughly $14M also… who do you have in mind? Let’s say you could find a good young player coupled with a bad contract…. the whole point was to get rid of a bad contract, not get one back in the process…. The only other similar option in my view would be Artest/K9 to Cleveland for Wally-world and his one-year massive contract… who’d you rather see for a year, Wally or Odom… ?
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 9, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me think on the 3rd team
I don’t have one, but Odom as the piece being brought back is wholly unattractive to me. That’s me.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that
Just think of him as an Expiring Contract slash $14M trade asset.
Does that make the medicine go down easier?
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Josh Smith in a sign and trade three way?
Odom to Atlanta is a very good fit.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jul 10, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO thanks
I want no part of Josh Smith. Absolutely no part of any part of Josh Smith. Let him be somebody’s else’s problem. Being desperate is not in Geoff Petrie’s repertoire. Or at least I hope it isn’t since he’s been so patient so far.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't prefer it to what?
Do you prefer the Artest/K9-Odom deal to just letting Artest walk? If that’s the case, then I don’t understand you point at all, because the only difference (since you’ve voiced no Artest on the Lakers concerns) would be getting rid of K9’s contract, which absolutely can’t be seen as a bad thing.
If you’d prefer another trade to letting Odom walk instead of holding K9 until next year, I see that . . . but I hope you’re not saying that you wouldn’t take Odom’s overpriced $14M Expiring Contract over K9’s $14M over the next two years.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I see the Odom deal as a trade of the last resort
But smg I did say that in the original comment too.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
As long as you prefer Odom’s Expiring Contract to K9’s two years, I have no problem with your stance on the Odom rumor.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just a given isn't it?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 9, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously!
That’s what had me so confused.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the rub...
seems to me the trade options are as follows: trade artest with k9 for a $14M player or combo of players – limited options include: Odom, Wally-world, Marion, one of the various Knick slugs…. or trade Artest alone for an $8M player or combo of players. Under either, we can NOT take back a long-term bad contract…. so if you don’t like the Odom deal, who do you like? would you prefer the Artest for Battier (3yrs)/Brooks deal with Houston? one of Phoenix’s guards and parts?
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 9, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm... Barbosa?
Speedracer and the Brazillian cheetah? Holy smokes that’d be a fast backcourt. Plus, Barbosa, Martin, Salmons, Thomson, Shawes? Youth. Speed. Skill. Size. Athleticism. It’s all there. Plus, Diaw will probably come alongwith Barbosa, so now the Kings’d have Diaw, Miller, Mikki, as veteran trade-bait. Minor moves can net us a couple picks (Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, Houston Rockets, hell – the clippers now need some bigs). Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks anyone?
Wow. just got way too ahead of myself.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw & Barbosa
If you want these guys, you’d better really want them, for the following reasons (at least):
- $63.4M over the next 4-years (that’s just under $16M per year).
- little-to-no 2010 cap space.
I also don’t know much about Barbosa at the 1; if Beno’s considered (by some) to be a career back-up, is Barbosa a significantly better (i.e. enough to trust the point to full time)?
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, i love trade season
Artest+Miller for LBJ anyone?
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Lyndon Baines Johnson has been dead for 35 years, but it sure would free up a lot of cap space. :-)
by Carl on Jul 9, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we're going for dead presidents
I want Honest Abe. Guy had some height and I hear he had mad hops.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Jul 9, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Isiaih was the little general
imagine how the original general would run the show. Shit, we’d have Teddy Roosevelt as our enforcer off the bench, the big Wash running the point. I betchya good ‘ol Grant was quite the shot – he’d make a great 2. abe will be the 4 – all we need is a big guy in the middle to clog it all up. Ideas?
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Dubya seems to be clogging up the economy and foreign relations quite well, how bout him?
I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea
by kangsfan on Jul 9, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's the joke.
hahaha, thanks for clearing it up.
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by iashwash on Jul 9, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
a step slow I guess, but that doesn’t count me out as a presidential candidate.
I might also add that Jessica Alba is a championship piece, if he thinks Ron is too, more power to him. ;p -Kfan in Korea
by kangsfan on Jul 10, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
no need to apologize – I didn’t make it obvious enough, partly because i like to keep politics out of basketball.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 10, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
KangsFan in 2012! I vote you get Jessica Alba as your running mate.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on Jul 10, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Jessica Alba for other jobs
Like my personal car washer! :d
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No No Teddy Roseveldt
He was kick-ass
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your phoenix choices
diaw ($9M-3 yrs) for Artest/Douby OR Barbosa ($7m 3 years) for Artest straight up. Can’t see Phoenix doing any deal that includes k9.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 9, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if?
You’re probably right about Phoenix not wanting K9 . . . but would they want Odom?
I’m not pushing for Diaw & Barbosa (not the direction I’d like the Kings to go in), but I bet the Suns would send them both packing for Lamar and his technicolor expiring contract.
Just sayin’.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played sir
I agree with you. (It also might bring the Lakers pause as 3 trades shake up 2 rivals in the Pacific Division too.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Kings went this route
I’d really hope that they got some future 1’s out of Phoenix (one from LAL would be nice too, but I’m fine with them just taking K9).
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw is a slightly taller K9
No thanks.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw has a much higher BB IQ. But his contract is horrible.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Jul 10, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying he's a fat Frenchman? Cuz I agree if that's the case.....
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damnit, i wanted to make the BBQ joke.
Now, I’m just hungry.
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by iashwash on Jul 10, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw and Barbosa to the Lakers
Diaw and Barbosa certainly get them a lot of talent, but the question is whether it puts them over the top. Those two guys are peripheral players. Good Ron could be a main cog – someone to push the Lakers to the next level. Two talented, but ultimately supporting players aren’t going to have the same effect.
by Carl on Jul 10, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I don't agree with you
I do agree that the Lakers might take this trade over the Artest trade, but I’m not sure it’s actually in their best interests (next season) to do so.
by Carl on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they would
The Lakers probably don’t make this deal for the same reason that some don’t want the Kings to deal with LAL, becaue it makes a rival better. Even if Diaw & Barbosa make the Lakeshow better, Odom makes the Suns better as well, so it’s a push come playoff time.
The difference (in our case) is that the Kings are not contending this year . . . the Suns are. It’s a win-win for LA, Artest > Odom, and no other contender gets upgraded in the process.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Kings can't get a 3rd team in the process
I’d just as soon as ship Artest to the Clippers and get a 1st/2nd rounder out of the deal. That’s far more preferable at this point.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
What if LAC was the third team? Follow my thought-process for a moment…..
Step 1. Artest & K9 for Odom
Step 2. Odom for Minny’s 1st Round Pick* & Tim Thomas
*Plus whatever else GP can squeeze out: Jordan, a Clippers 1st, 2nd, etc.
Hmm, I thought there was something there, but I guess it didn’t work as well as I hoped it might The Thomas-to-Thomas swap doesn’t change our cap number much at all next year, so I think it would require getting another asset from LAL to be worth the trouble.
It was worth a shot!
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that in a heartbeat
I’m not sure the Clipps would though. Helping the Lakers is not usually something they’re willing to do. Especially since it’s 2 teams they’re directly competing with.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
I don’t see how that’s really much different than trading Artest directly to LAC for the picks, unless the Thomas-to-Thomas swap is worth the trouble . . . plus the Maloofs wouldn’t have to deal with LAL (which they reportedly didn’t want to with Bibby).
I just didn’t see enough at first glance to make it worth doing a 3-team deal over, but I still think that there’s something there.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting rid of K9 is nice
But it isn’t everything. I don’t think this team will have abundant cap room until 2010, and even then, that isn’t real special either as the Clippers are proving (barring a beautiful comeback move after losing Brand).
This is as much what the franchise values most down the road, and not paying luxury tax is one wise factor in not wasting resources needlessly.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade machine madness...
i do like this one… and it makes some sense…. salmons/mikki to orlando for hedo/redick. Solves to issues with Orlando at low cost… trade artest and k9 for odom… play odom at 4 for a year, hedo at 3, reddick off the bench behind martin, and let odom go next year (if no deadline deal is available)...
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 9, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no way
orlando does that deal, unfortunately.
by beevenator on Jul 9, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What good would an Odom deal bring us?
Odom’s contract is bloated and expiring next season. Artest’s contract is expiring. K-9’s contract holds no value next season, but will hold lots of value the season after that. Odom also isn’t much of an improvement over Artest, so I don’t see the point in nabbing Odom for one season, for temporary help. ...Then again Odom isn’t really help over Artest.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 9, 2008 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well
see moproblemz post above (titled “I think that…”), he brought up some great points with regard to salmons and mikki. however, IMHO, the main attraction of any trade involving artest is removal of the bad. to me, in the current state of our team, that is enough.
by sactoreg on Jul 10, 2008 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Don’t underestimate getting a little cap space before 2010.
With half the league gunning for a big-time FA in 2010, showing up early could have its benefits (see: Sixers, Philly – this year).
I’ve said it before, but I think that GP will get his player through a trade and not from a 2010 FA signing.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Sixers getting cap space helped them
I’m not sure it will get them rings though. (For the record I think Brand ultimately screwed himself.)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
He may not get a ring, but let’s objectively look at his choices:
Clippers – missed the playoffs in the West, picked up Davis, lost Maggette . . . plus they’re the Clippers.
Warriors – missed the playoffs in the West, lost Davis & Pietrus (picked up Maggette – after the fact?).
Sixers – 7th seed in the playoffs in the East, full returning roster.
Throw in the fact that they reportedly had the 2nd highest monetary offer (I thought GSW’s was the highest and LAC’s was just shy of Philly’s . . . but that’s all rumors), and that’s a pretty good objective decision. I’m not going to say it was the right decision (or the wrong one, for that matter), but I don’t think it can just be written off as a simple money-grab, as many in the (always thorough, yeah right) media have been yapping about (although I doubt that’s your position, I thought it needed to be said in general).
That said, I’m curious for your take on the Brand signing, as I’ve seen bits and pieces from you about it, but I’m not exactly sure about your opinion on this as a whole.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On first glance you are correct
One would be hard pressed to dispute such a good argument. :)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd round playoff team
If Brand stays healthy, this does turn the 76ers into a second round playoff team in the East, with an outside shot at the conference finals.
by Carl on Jul 10, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great signing?
I think that would make it a great signing if that happens, because it pushes them over the hump into the top tier contenders. As it is now, I think it’s a really good signing, but if Brand gets them further in the playoffs this year (and beyond) then that’s exactly what you look for in a FA signing.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the East
They could be a real contender as CHI, DET may fall off some. Anything happens to the ‘Big 3’ Celts…..
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ima loving me sum DIAW
It’s addition by subtraction with Ron. Whatever he does to help to win ballgames THIS YEAR is negated by his minutes and ballhogging that detract from the development of Martin, Garcia, Salmons, etc. That said, I hope GP pulls the trigger sooner than later.
I like Odom’s game A LOT for the makeup of this team. A talented, unselfish, quality scorer/rebounder/playmaker? Sounds like he’d fit PERFECTLY with a young nucleus establishing its identity. And maybe it wouldn’t be so nuts to re-up him provided things work out. It is wishful thinking to envision Chris Bosh or a BIG TIME FA will sign with the Kings. Not gonna happen. EVERY team is clearing up cap space for 2010.
The mention of trading for Boris Diaw made me all warm and tingly. LOVE his game. Pop in the 2006 Suns playoff tapes. Averaged 18 7 5 and was often the BEST player on the floor. BETTER than Dirk. BETTER than Nash. Forget the lack of minutes/role he’s had with an uber-deep Phoenix team in the last few years. He showed exactly what he could do on the biggest stage and THOSE are the players you want on a championship team.
by Duane Causwell JR on Jul 9, 2008 9:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there are deals in the East
That can/might be made. Send RA to 76s in a sign and trade (iguadala) to play with his buddy EBrand.
Sign and trade Deng from Chicago
A catch and release deal for Starbury + (k-9 doesn’t upset anyones 2010 plans), throw in MM (also ok for 2010) and get back Balkman.
Charlotte could do (something – not Artest) and not send as much back because they’re under the cap.
Ect ect
There are deal that COULD be made.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 10, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NYK
Another point about the Knicks is that they paid almost $20M in Luxury Taxes last season, so even if K9 doesn’t affect their 2010 “salary cap”, it definitely affects their bottom line. That may not have mattered before under Isiah, but I think Walsh has different plans.
And again, just because it’s “possible” doesn’t make it “likely”. As TZ’s Happy Fun Poll extreme example showed last week, “Artest & K9 for LeBron James” works under the cap.
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to REALLY
want a top 3 pick in next year’s draft to make that trade!
TickTickTickTickTickTick
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 10, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows?
Maybe you can draft the next LeBron!
by smgmatt on Jul 10, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking is what it's all about isn't it?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the trades are comparable - get real
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 11, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I started a thread on this 'Ron to the East'
Gobble it up
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Jul 11, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
An Artest Trade 'Could Happen Quickly'
That is slowly turning into eventually which will probably turn into by the deadline which could turn into by the end of the season which could turn into a 3-4 year deal for the guy with the transgressions. Then again, it could happen ‘quickly.” LOL.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 11, 2008 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If by the end of the summer Artest hasn't been traded
then that post has merit. But Petrie has to be in no hurry to make an Artest deal. It’s not like the trade deadline is 3 days away.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 12, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merit or no...
You have to admit that it was pretty funny.
by smgmatt on Jul 12, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true too
I did get a chuckle out of the transgressions part. I would be heavily disappointed if CC was right. That being said until Artest is traded you can’t say he’s wrong either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 13, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15 .......
Tine flies when you’re having fun.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 14, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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