Western Standings
by tokyo on Aug 13, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
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PrintWith all the talk of draft picks, wins, and standings I'm wondering about how everyone sees the west falling out this coming season. Yes this so premature, as we all know that injuries and trades are going to happen, but just so far, after the draft, and the decimation that occurred to both Golden State, the Clipps, & arguably Dallas in drafting Kidd last season(who's doing so good defenses aren't even guarding him in the Olympics), I'm curious to see how everyone thinks the West will be won.
Here's the recap from last year with my movement observations/thoughts to the right.
Fakers 57-25 [Steady if they don't fall apart from failed Finals appearance + healthy Bynum.]
New Orleans 56-26 [Steady, add further experience]
San Antonio 56-26 [It's on odd numbered year for the Finals so look out, but they are getting old]
Utah 54-28 [Steady? Oly experience for D. Will]
Houston 55-27 [Moving up, or blowing up with our favorite on court brawler]
Phoenix 55-27 [I say up because they actually made a draft pick, then down because of an aging Shaq and no D'Antoni]
Dallas 51-31 [Down, Kidd etc.]
Denver 50-32 [Down, no Camby = less D, aging/tired Karl]
Golden State 48-34 [Down, but still dangerous?]
Portland 41-41[Up, more experience, Oden, more high energy draft picks]
Sacramento 38-44 [Steady? Fresh youth, Salmons starting, Jackson as 7th man, could we possibly leapfrog over GS, Portland, Dallas, Denver? That's my biggest question, I'm not sure]
LA Clippers 23-59 [? Up for Barron, Down for key losses, and honestly it's the Clipps, so 20-25 wins right?]
Minnesota 22-60 [Up three to five games right? I dunno]
Seattle 20-62 [If there's any justice in the world they will win 0 games at home in OKC. But unless you're the Knicks, or a tanking Miami, it's pretty hard to get worse than 20 wins.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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You forgot
Memphis: 22-60.
My prediction:
1. Laker
2. Hornets
3. Jazz
4. Spurs
5. Rockets
6. Suns
7. Mavericks
8. Blazers
—-—-—--
9. Nuggets
10. Clippers
11. Warriors
12. Kings(30-35 wins)
13. Wolves
14. Grizzlies
15. Old Krap City
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Does anyone think
Peja’s due for another long span of missed games due to injury?
The Jazz might start slow due to the number of players they have playing over the summer?
The Blazers youth movement is overrated? Who knows if these guys can play TOGETHER?
The Suns, Spurs and Mavs are probably not going to be as good this year as in the recent past?
I don’t think we’re a lock for a playoff berth or anything, but I’m not ready to concede spots1-11 either. Six weeks to training camp and we’re writing off the season already?
Pffffft.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 13, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not ready to conced spots 7-11
but 1 through 6? ummmmmm…..
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Ok, yeah
But you know what I’m saying.
That playoff thing? It could happen.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 13, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
conceding and writing off have little to do with a prediction. It has more to do with expectations. Do I think it’s possible for us to make the playoffs this year? Yeah, but pretty unlikely.
I expect us to win in the 30-35 range and finish in the 10-12 range in the west. If we win less than 30 or finish lower than 12 I’ll be disappointed unless there are some pretty compelling circumstances. If we do better, I’ll be very happy with our progress.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 13, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
dude, you gotta stop bringing us this bad karma
by asking for peja to get hurt and saying whatever you said, in the tick tick tick post about other teams getting the injury bug. Why would you wish injury on anyone, youre redic.
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not asking for anyone to get hurt.
I just think it’s someone else’s turn to have a couple of injuries. Like for the next ten years.
If my Karma affected the team in any way we’d win a championship this year. And next.
And reading your posts with your run-on sentences, absence of capital letters, and punctuation errors is really annoying. Not to nag or anything, but it is common courtesy to make your posts readable in a public community such as this one, not to mention the fact that often people will just skip what you’ve posted if reading it is a pain.
My last point, I’m one of the two known non-dude regular posters on this site. Not that I’m offended by being called “dude”, I’m just sayin’. Not one.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 14, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
CHECK IT CHICA, YOU'RE ABSURD
“I’m not asking for anyone to get hurt. I just think it’s someone else’s turn to have a couple of injuries. Like for the next ten years.”
Straight up, thats just the wrong perspective to have. We should want our wins based on our merit and not on the other teams lack thereof.
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe im crazy,
but i wouldve rather seen a finals with Andrew Bynum. And just for the record my entire family is from Boston and when not playing the kings i’m always rooting for the celts and against the lakers.
I just think injury lessens the quality of the game. It makes it so teams cant do what they want to do, which results in ugly basketball. Perhaps im just a bigger fan of basketball than i am of the Kings and would rather watch the kings lose a good game than win an ugly game against a team that is minus their star player. Either way, i hate to see any of these cats get hurt.
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bynum
has proven nothing yet
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
if you dont think the lakers
wouldve been better with Bynum in the finals than you are dumber than your “blow me” indicates, which is actually hard to believe but by golly, here we are.
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually agree with you
Good basketball overrides all, and healthy teams get you to good basketball.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
I don't hate the Lakers
I think they’re one of the best franchises in the NBA, top quality from top to bottom. You don’t win more than 14 championships by being a crappy franchise.
While I don’t wish them success, I would be disappointed if we played against the Lakers and Kobe Bryant wasn’t in the line-up for injured.
BOOK IT!
Here's the thing
I’d LOVE to see every team have every player available every game. In a perfect world, nobody would get injured. But we’ve had more than what would seem to be our fair share of injuries over the past 5 years or so.
Bad luck, bad conditioning, bad Karma, whatever. The Kings played maybe 25 games last season at full strength. Do you really think the teams that beat us when we had injured starters want to put asterisks next to those W’s?
Injuries are part of the game. I just think/hope/pray that the injury bug bites someone else this year.
Seriously, you’re reading WAY too much into this. It was mostly said tongue-in-cheek, and mostly as a hope that WE manage to stay healthy this year.
Lighten up.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 14, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
I’m agreeing with LPA a lot today
It would be nice if it was someone else’s turn…
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Good!
You’re smarter than your avatar makes you appear ;p
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 14, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
blow me
honey
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
im not sure which LPA will find more offensive, you asking/telling her to blow you or the fact that you didnt put a comma after “me”. but seriously, that isnt cool.
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The comma.
He’s just responding to all the crap I give him about his creepy, creepy avatar.
A grown man having Antonio Banderas as his avatar is wrong on so many levels.
Just sayin’.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 15, 2008 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
amen, sister
I feel like in Wedding Crashers, that girl just eye-fkd the shit out of me, but it’s Antonio Banderas and he’s not a girl, and it’s just creepy because he’s laying there all “come hither” with his arm-layed back, as if he’s saying “Yeah, underneath this shirt, amor, I’m exposing my nipples” in a sexy, sexy Spanish accent… except it’s not sexy, it’s just creepy. What is with the grin, that freaking half-smile? What are you smiling about Antonio? Stop smiling Antonio!
Banderas is making off like a bandit with my sanity. He’s sucking in my soul through his eyes, grinning like the devil if the devil had curly hair (we all know it’s slicked back), and he’s probably Italian because that’s the role Al Pacino played and he was a mean devil. But you know, Pacino never eye-fkd me either, so you know, I think Antonio Banderas is worse than the Devil. What’s with the devil and weird sex, anyway? Banderas the curly haired is into inserting himself through my eyeball (don’t touch my pupil, bitch!), and Pacino the make-my-kids-incest king. That’s a dark, dark place… far darker than Banderas’s armpits. Far darker than the curly hair, and hot. Not hot like Banderas, or that feeling you get when he’s got his arms are curled around you, no, no…. hot like hell fire, like the devils got his arms around you dragging you into a soft pillowy grave.
Which doesn’t sound so bad, does it? But then you realize… Banderas is a dude! No! No… keep those eyes away from me, Antonio… and stop smiling! How many times do I have to say: stop. freaking. smiling. Not funny, sooo not funny.
See, lietothegirls, see why this needs to stop! Do you see? do you? See, open your eyes (but don’t stare into the picture), don’t say his name in the mirror…. candyman… candyman.
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I had no idea
Banderas is making off like a bandit with my sanity. He’s sucking in my soul
You have sanity and a soul?
Whodathunkit?
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 15, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
i just think its one of those things thats better left unsaid
by passionforPERPS on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Then I won't say it anymore.
I’ll just think it.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 15, 2008 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
agree with LPA
On just about every detail.
Houston will be up if healthy (a big if)
I just don’t see Dallas and Phx not paying the price for those trades + Kidd and Nash age.
The Clippers, GS and Portland are total unknowns for different reasons.
Denver down (?), maybe not if Phx and dallas struggle
SA is officially OLD, ya gotta wonder.
Lakers, Norl and Utah will probably win the respective divisions again with Houston instead IF all goes well.
No team without signicant potential flaws..(but what else is new?)
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
hrm
With another yearr of experience under their belts, I believe the Jazz cement SBC Arena as the toughest place for visiting teams to score a W; and become mature enough to win on the road against inferior teams. I believe they’re going to challenge the Lakers for the #1 seed.
The Blazers are still at least a year away. As valuable as Oden is on the defensive end, he doesn’t have the post-up game needed to give a jumpshooting team the optimum room to operate and I believe he doesn’t have the lower-body strength and conditioning to play at a high level all season long. If he tries to mix it up in the trenches, he’s going to be pounded. Maybe he’s got young Shaq’s explosive athleticism, but does he have young Shaq’s durability? He’s not soft, but I think he’s brittle.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Not to nitpick
But the Jazz play at Energy Solutions Arena.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 13, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries.
I’ve just driven past it a few times this past week. Attended a coupld of games there, etc.
I think the Spurs play at SBC, don’t they?
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 14, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
What?
‘As valuable as Oden is -’
Huh? Look, the guy has potential – but he hasn’t even played a freakin’ game yet!
None of us have ANY idea how he’ll play out. He could be DHoward, he could be Kwame.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Kwame comment...
is probably a bit much, considering Oden went to college and played will in a tough conference. Tht said, I agree with your overall point that at this point it’s a bit premature to talk about how much value he adds. That point is especially true once you consider than Oden is being talked about mostly for his defense and rebounding and Portland started Pryzbilla last year, who averaged over 8 boards and a block in a little over 20 minutes/night. Is Oden really going to be THAT much of an upgrade in his rookie year? Sure, he COULD be, but let’s wait and see what happens (and if he can stay healthy) before there is a discussion about how valuable he is (or isn’t).
A little too early
for my predictions, but I like the overall list from Tokyo, especially the top 7. I do have doubts that Denver will win 50 games again, and I think that the Warriors will fall off as well. Portland should finish at least a little over 500. The Clips should be better than 23 wins. They lost Maggette and added Camby and Davis (Brand hardly played last year so I don’t count that as a loss when comparing this year to last year). The Kings are a 30-35 win team if they suffer the same injuries as last year. Otherwise, their improved health will offset the loss of 57 game Ron, and they will finish with closer to 38 wins.
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May or may not change things....
Brandon Roy is going under the knife for knee surgery.
He had a similar surgery in college and only missed 3 weeks, but Oden went in for minor knee surgery before last season and missed the year after they ended up having to do Microfracture.
This could be bad news bears for the Blazers, or it could end up not being that big of a deal . . . but I found it interesting given this conversation.
Maybe it's my Karma hard at work.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 14, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
re: Knee Surgery
Keep in mind that Shawes had a similar procedure, I think, two months later in the year and he still came back to play strong for us. And he had a worse history. I’m confident that Roy will be playing at the beginning of the season, or soon thereafter.
If yr not happy with the results, lower yr expectations.
I'm glad
you’re confidant doc..
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems his confidence was
well placed, per TrueHoop:
Roy underwent a 20-minute procedure in Vancouver, Wash., during which team physician Don Roberts removed a piece of cartilage that was causing irritation in Roy’s left knee.
"He will definitely be playing by the time the season starts,’’ Jensen said.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 14, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes
was playing too, but not effectively.
Just playing injury doctor – I don’t know….
eternal skeptical optimist
Spencer's surgery
was in early October.
And you really need to master the [+]reply button
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 14, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
my point
(sigh)
Was fans evaluating injuries that haven’t been medically evaluated or floor tested under stress
seems absurd
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 14, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that's a reasonable
point. Should have said that in the 1st place.
The Truehoop quote above was by the team trainer, so that should hold some weight. But it is true we won’t know for sure until he starts trying to play.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 14, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate
waiting for the season to start now that we more or less know what we’re working with.
anyway, a knee injury to a player who needs to cut and slash to be effective is different from the more static Center position.
Now we’re got ME talking like a doctor
eternal skeptical optimist
Yes it sucks
waiting for the season to start
Only 54 days until the 1st preseason game!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 14, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And only 314 days
until next year’s draft. Just sayin.’
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Maybe
You could put a countdown ticker (or two or three) on the site, then everyone would have that trivial but fascinating bit of knowledge at our fingertips.
And the avatar? EEEEEEEW!
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 15, 2008 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank iashwash
for the avatar, though it does take your mind of lttg’s Banderas avatar, doesn’t it?
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Yeah
But not in a good way.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 15, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He's working his way up
the evolutionary chart:
Cartoon – Ape-man – Joe Kleine
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Aug 16, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's next?
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 16, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not even sure how you found such a picture
and I’m positive I don’t wanna know.
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