Am I the only one totally annoyed with the Trade Analysis?
Marty Mac's column this morning http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1128995.html is a perfect example of the crap I have been reading from the "experts" all week long about the trade. The gist of these columns is the following: the Kings got fleeced; Petrie panicked; Houston got over; I can't believe the Kings couldn't get at least a quality starter back?
I just want to say, I am estatic over the trade. Ever since watching the summer league games, I have been thinking about how we could trade Artest for one of two players: Anthony Randolph or Donte Greene. Then it happened. We got Donte Greene, plus a 2009 1st round pick and an expiring contract (Bobby Jackson). This is exactly what we have been asking Petrie to do: embrace rebuilding.
And yet, the pissing and moaning from the fanbase has been long and loud, and the prevailing view from the sportswriters' both near and far has been that Sacramento made a bad, lopsided trade, citing that we didn't get a quality starter back (Odom or Marion) or manage to dump K9's salary. Some, completely missing the point of the trade (i.e., we're rebuilding), even go on to compare Bobby Jackson's play with Ron-Ron's, not realizing that Bobby is an expiring contract, not the primary component of the trade. His veteran presence is nice, but his importance, in this case, is that his contract preserves cap flexability.
So let's look at some of these assumptions. 1) Would we be better off if we had traded for Lamar Odom or Shawn Marion? No. Why trade for a good but not great player that has an expiring contract. They may decide not to stay, and you will be left with nothing. Worse, you may need to pay millions to keep a player that will be on the downside of his career before your squad becomes a playoff contender. 2) Would we be better off if we just packaged Artest with K9 for expiring contracts? No. What's the point. As Pookey has covered, even if we get rid of K9, we won't have enough significant cap space to do anything until 2010. Does this really help us get better? Why not take a top prospect and a 1st round pick to build for the future instead.
Lastly, don't sleep on Donte Greene. I realize that the summer leagues are not the same as the NBA, but players that do well in the summer league often go on to have success in the NBA, especially if they have success as a rookie (rather than someone who is in their second or third year playing rookies). Donte was the second leading scorer in Vegas this year at 22.6 points per game. For comparison sake, let's look at Kevin Martin. In 2005, he was the third leading scorer at 19.4 points per game. However, Kevin also had the benefit of a full college career whereas Donte had one year at Syracuse, which makes his accomplishment even more impressive. Now, I am not saying Donte's better than Kevin or that his career is certain to mirror Kmart's, but he's off to a good start, and I think he's worth the risk.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Marty Mac is a moron. He tries to hard to become friends with these players that he can’t see what is best for the organization and the team. That column really pissed me off today because that is mostly what people see.
I’m so tired of people from the SacBee
by GOKINGS on Aug 3, 2008 9:43 PM PDT 0 recs
Agree with the gist
My only point of exception regards “the pissing and moaning from the fan base has been loud and long.” Not around here it hasn’t. And most of the call in’s to 1140 have been supportive of the trade.
Basically ,we got what the vast majority at StR had hoped for: youth (Greene), a draft pick, and expiring contract, which in this case is also a backup point guard that the city is madly in love with. In a nutshell, Petrie spurned the Denver deadline deal and was rewarded with B-Jax and an extra draft pick. What’s not to like?
As far as the Bee or national scribes are concerned, of course Houston got the better end of the deal. They vaulted themselves into perceived championship contention, while we most likely return to the lottery next year. But what is being overlooked is that we got everything that we could for Artest, after months and months and months of Petrie turning down low(er) ball offers. And, we got exactly what we needed for where we are as a franchise right now.
Ron will go to Houston and be a good citizen and contributor, as he has been in the first year of any of his previous stops. Then the Rockets will balk at paying him and he will go somewhere else, while the Kings have a couple of young, inexpensive prospects on their roster. Remember, everyone thought that the Blazers got over on Indiana when they traded the young and unproven Jermaine O’Neal for missing championship piece Dale Davis.
Houston wins this deal right now. Just wait.
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by section214 on Aug 3, 2008 10:05 PM PDT 0 recs
KHTK...
...had a lot of negative calls when I listened. Peaches, of course, was spinning away about how he loved the move, but the sentiment from a lot of callers was “I can’t believe this was all we could get for Ron-Ron?” I nearly drove off the road when one guy compared it to the Gasol deal (I was so pissed).
As for STR, you’re right, there was a lot more positive and educated feedback.
The post itself was a response to most of the analysis done by local newspaper (primarily Scot Howard Cooper and Marty Mac) and the national coverage (which wasn’t ever very favorable).
by R-Man on
Aug 4, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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The Gasol Trade
Was completely different. Gasol had a lot more value than Artest. Sources said that the Bulls were offering Luol Deng, Lamar Odom was involved, Atlanta was willing to give up Josh Smith, but Memphis chose the bust, Kwame Brown because of his expiring contract.
The Kings got a very good deal, IMO. Donte Greene could be a Kevin Durant or Rashard Lewis type small forward that can flat out score the ball and rebound.
The Kings made out real well and a 1st round pick and a fan favorite in Bobby Jackson back. If Greene ever reaches his potential in the NBA, the trade could be very lopsided in favor of the Kings like the O’Neal – Davis deal.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on
Aug 4, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
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To summarize
What Memphis got in the deal doesn’t even come close to the potential the Kings got given the value the Kings gave up compared to the value the Grizzlies gave up.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on
Aug 4, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
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this all made me think
about houston winning the deal right now and gave me a vivid premonition of greg anthony and stephen a. bantering about how great this trade was for the houston rockets on nba shootaround every time the rockets are on espn…and i cringe at the fact that i will unfortunately watch it because i’m not in the kings tv market… :( sadface.
by 916baller on Aug 4, 2008 12:49 AM PDT 0 recs
Marty
wrote a bullshit article to cover his butt. Reading between the lines I wasn’t sure HE was convinced about what he was saying.
hey, gotta turn in an article! Hmmmmm…
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Aug 4, 2008 8:48 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm happy to let people think GP got fleeced
At least until the 14th. And hey, maybe it will help in making trades in the future.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on Aug 4, 2008 10:11 AM PDT 0 recs
Ha, maybe
Till a year from now, when Martin, Greene, Thompson proves to be one of the highest scoring, fastest trios in the league.
Man oh man, I hope Greene and Thompson become great. Two 6’11” players who can play the three and four, though one is more a natural three and the other more naturally a four so they complement each other? All that frontline length can go a long way in terms of minimizing Shawes weaknesses and highlighting his strengths, as well as allowing Martin to gamble more on the perimeter if Shawes can be a weakside block threat.
I freaking love this trade. The rest of the league can think whatever the hell they want, I’m just waiting for the day Kevin and Donte’ drop 80 points combined.
Till then, let’s see if Petrie can screw some other GMs, and if people think he’s weak now, let ‘em.
Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea
by iashwash on
Aug 4, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
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That's right
Maybe K9(woof) can demand a trade and we can get “fleeced” again.
"Being loquacious and being right aren't necessarily always the same."
GP, the man, the myth, the legend, puts the smackdown on Reggie
by SavageBeast on
Aug 5, 2008 8:23 AM PDT
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Do you think
Thomas will get any playing time, even in the pre-season, to show other teams he has value?
At this point, I don’t see any scenarios under which it is feasible to move him.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on
Aug 5, 2008 8:31 AM PDT
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I doubt it
What’s the point of shining shit?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Aug 5, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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Or in a less smartass point of view
On a veteran laden team in desperate need of size, Thomas hardly got any minutes after the few games of the season. Theus soured on him early. And with good reason. Kenny’s career is shot unless he revives it somewhere else by taking a buyout.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Aug 5, 2008 12:07 PM PDT
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SB
That’s a total fallacy. It won’t make any GM eager to do a trade with him than they were befoer. They know what GP does, and how he does it. GM’s make deals, and don’t make them because of fear how the other team will do with their player.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Aug 5, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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Bad headline
The article had a bad headline, and I disagree with a couple of the points McNeal made. Marty’s point seemed primarily to be that there must be something we don’t know for the Kings to have traded Artest for this deal. I’ve heard the rumors of incidents that haven’t been made public, but I don’t know any details. Regardless, Artest has done more than enough to warrant being traded without the public knowing anything else.
Marty also states that The idea that trading Artest two-plus years and a dozen incidents later had anything to do with “desperation and panic” just deluded. If Petrie has panicked, he would have traded Artest immediately after the wife smacking or dog starving incidents.
Finally, Marty talks about what a “coveted player” Artest is, which flies in the face of the facts. Denver wouldn’t give up Linas Kleiza for Artest. Does Marty really think Petrie left a better deal on the table to take what Houston offered? Petrie got a young player with potential, a draft pick and a solid veteran with an expiring contract at a needed position. Artest wrecked his own value with his erratic behavior and is more feared than coveted at this point.
by Carl on Aug 4, 2008 11:24 AM PDT 0 recs
Middle paragraph is ugly
But they don’t pay me for this stuff, and you get the jist of it.
by Carl on
Aug 4, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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They don't pay you?
Madness!
Now I can put my pink lace bra and panties back on. - Kfan in Korea
by iashwash on
Aug 4, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
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Good point...
...Denver never offered Kleiza. The deal was Najara and a late 1st round pick. Also, what else had we been offered: Bass and Stackhouse? People don’t realize there is a rather limited market for a player that is viewed as a loose cannon by other GMs.
by R-Man on
Aug 4, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
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My thoughts and IndyCornrows
Based on the limited feedback given on the Pacers SBNation blog, they’re just glad Artest’s not their problem child anymore. Enormous talent. Enormous. I can’t say that enough, but he is always his worst enemy…and there is always somebody there to feed Ron’s worst enemy. I wish him the best, I really do, and I hope he figures it out one day.
But the sentiment I took away from Cornrow’s blog is that
1) Pre-melee, they loved him.
2) They stood by him through it and felt betrayed by his trade request. ( I am being kind).
3) They hated giving him up/they hated him for requesting a trade after they stood by him.
4) They’re simply relieved that he isn’t their problem anymore.
5) They’re glad that the trade didn’t get the Kings anywhere dangerously close to a Championship.
6) They feel a bit validated that it wasn’t wrong to trade Ron away, because he’s replayed that same dysfunctional MP3 in his head again with the Kings.
Unless Ron finds a way to fix the perceptions of many fans(and possibly GM’s), Ron fans will probably feel the same way as the Pacers fans do when Ron moves on to his next team, as he surely will unless his mindset changes.
Enormously talented but not a great team player in a team game. Bright, but narcissistic. Overly confident and slightly deluded. (Sir, I have met Kobe Bryant, and you sir, are no Kobe Bryant. Hell, even Kobe Bryant isn’t as big as Kobe Bryant thinks he is!).
Hello Ron, are you listening? No, put down that #%^ IPhone and stop calling CD, he is not helping you, he’s exploiting you. Unless you think that you’re exploiting him?
I’m pretty sure that puts you both lower on my list of life forms than, you know, the average stock jockey pimping his “can’t miss” stock tips.
I feel sad. I hate wasted potential, and I see a ton of it in Ron Artest.
I also hate overhyped and facile poseurs, but I’ll leave it at that. It’s far far far past my bedtime.
Your Sacramento Kings: Another day, another drama.
by KK on Aug 5, 2008 12:31 AM PDT 0 recs
His career isn't over yet
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on
Aug 6, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
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I think her point was
That his career should have been so much more.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on
Aug 6, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
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panic?
If anyone panicked here it’s the Rockets. They can’t get over the hump, and don’t have a long window of opportunity, so they’re going all-in just like Phoenix and Dallas did. Sure Artest is at his peak (unlike Shaq or Kidd), but he does come with risks of his own.
Here’s the reason the press is salivating over this deal for the Rockets: The Boston Celtics just won the title on the back of a trio of stars (at least that’s the widely-held perception), so getting a trio of all-star level veterans is now the new “key” to success, so you’ll have other teams trying to emulate and mainstream press throwing themselves on the bandwagon. Seen it before. Teams try to build the next Detroit (hungry group of discarded players), try to find the next Dirk, etc, etc.
What it reminds me more of is Battier for Rudy Gay. Wishful thinking, but writers loved that trade for the Rockets too…
by henryclemente on Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT 0 recs














