Ed Hochuli > Dick Bavetta?
Quick conversation starter, plus a poll at no extra charge.
For the past several days, San Diego Chargers fans have been beside themselves over a blown fumble call that helped cost them their game against the Denver Broncos (I say "helped" because the Chargers still had to allow the Broncos to score a touchdown and a 2 pt. conversion to seal defeat).
The referee, Ed Hochuli, has admitted his error and has not only publicly apologized, he is responding to emails (I'm betting the one's emanating out of San Diego are not too nice). It should be noted that this was one of those "blown whistle" plays that does not permit instant replay to overturn the call.
Understanding full well that game #6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals was a little bit bigger in scope than last week's Broncos/Chargers game, it did make me wonder what the reaction of Kings fans would have been if Dick Bavetta had come out and said (to directly quote Hochuli), "You can rest assured that nothing anyone can say can make me feel worse than I already feel...Officials strive for perfection - I failed miserably. Although it does no good to say it, I am very, very sorry."
Would that have given us some closure? Granted us compassion? Enraged us further?
And can someone riddle me this? Why would anyone in this day and age want to be a professional referee or umpire? With today's technology you can't fart as an official without seven different camera angles showing the wind in your shorts on hi-def. No thank you.
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If it had happened at the time
I might be willing to forgive them if Bavetta and the league had apologized at the time and completely changed the way officiating worked in the NBA. An apology now is worthless. NBA officiating is an absolute JOKE. The only thing that will change it is transparency.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Sep 18, 2008 9:02 AM PDT 0 recs
Agreed
NBA officiating is by far the worst in professional sports. Granted, it is also probably the most difficult game to officiate. Still, the NBA’s lack of transparency makes its officiating inadequacies harder to stomach. And, I don’t know if it’s just me, but whenever I hear Stern or his Yes Men speak about this topic, I get the feeling that they are really put out that they should even have to explain themselves to anybody. It’s like a mix of arrogance and condescension thrown in your face at you all at once.
by Kusian on
Sep 18, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Two egregious calls in the Chargers game
The early call where the San Diego receiver was clearly down by contact, had the ball stripped by Bailey I believe? I think that would have been overruled by replay, but the equipment wasn’t functioning.
Now, shouldn’t somebody (the officiating crew I assume) be responsible for checking the replay equipment prior to every game to make sure it is functioning? Additionally, shouldn’t there be some kind of backup system in place?
I believe they kept the system shut down the rest of the quarter to make it “fair” for both teams. What a joke.
Anyways, to the topic at hand. If Bavetta apologized for his horrid officiating in that game, I wouldn’t forgive him. There is a very real possibility that said bad officiating was done on purpose, in order to extend the series. Since that can’t really be proven without a direct admission by Bavetta, the stench would still linger, apology or no apology.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on Sep 18, 2008 9:08 AM PDT 0 recs
No comparison
Hochuli made an honest mistake. He’s well known as one of the best refs in the NFL, and one of the most respected. Bavetta is crap. Has been for years, nothing changes.
I e-mailed Hochuli to tell him I think he’s done a great thing by being man enough to admit to his mistake. Chargers fans are crybabies. How about blaming your DBs for not stopping the touchdown pass? Or for not stopping the exact same play for the 2-point conversion? There were 3 defenders surrounding Eddie Royal as he caught the 2-point conversion.
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by Exhibit G on Sep 18, 2008 9:17 AM PDT 0 recs
Interesting
I was recently invited/ reluctantly joined a facebook group called “Get off your knees ref, your blowing the game, a tribute to Ed Hochuli”. I thought the call was b.s. The fact that Charger fans are this upset is even bigger b.s. though.
I tend to agree with Exhibit on all counts, chargers fans are being a bunch whiners. I spent 4 plus years arguing with the hordes of Laker Fans in San Diego throughout college about our infamous series, and their best rebuttal claimed that we were poor losers.
Back then, and even more-so now, we have had reasonable evidence to support our conspiracy of blatant game-rigging. Their reaction about an honest mistake thus far has been pathetic IMO.
As far as Bavetta goes. I won’t forgive. I won’t stop sending hate mail to him. But I’d still like for him to admit not just his mistake, but his mistake for choosing refereeing as career. Maybe then the NBA can establish a baseline for what is not acceptable as far as refereeing results and overall ref intelligence.
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by CAB on Sep 18, 2008 10:18 AM PDT 0 recs
Don't like Knick Bavetta myself
But I do sympathize with the fact that the referee’s do not have an easy job and take more crap for a job they do on the whole well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Sep 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT 1 recs
Well said
Rec’d.
I voted for K9(woof!) . . . because at this point I have no idea how I would feel if this actually happened.
by smgmatt on
Sep 18, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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Referees don't have an easy job
And the professional referees that make calls that directly impact the fortunes of teams in multibillion-dollar leagues like the NBA, NFL, and MLB are (generally) the best in the world. That’s why it was refreshing to see Hochuli immediately admit to making the wrong call, apologize profusely for his actions, and accept his downgrading from the NFL. Norv Turner might think that it was “unacceptable,” but obviously mistakes are inevitable when humans are involved. Norv and the S.D. fans wouldn’t be pooping their pants about a one-point, week-two loss to a good team on the road if their team didn’t have bigger problems than Ed Hochuli. I understand that it’s frustrating to lose at the last second two weeks in a row, but maybe spend the time that you’re using to throw a temper tantrum on tightening up the secondary.
The ’02 WCF situation was completely different because Bavetta and the NBA seemed to do everything in their power to compound the negative impact of the bad call. Bavetta continued to make bad calls, the NBA still denies any mistakes were made, and seemingly no action has been taken to improve accountability. Maybe Stern is emulating his Commander in Chief? Another great reason to vote Nader in ’08.
The only similarity, and it is an unfortunate one, is that the Chargers and Kings were each left with a golden opportunity to overcome the bad officiating and win the game and series, respectively, and neither was able to do so.
by furious.d on
Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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Nobody is disputing
That the Chargers and Kings both had a chance to overcome and win. Duh. But we are talking about professional sports, and the margin of victory between two very good teams is pretty thin. Denver has a very good offense. The Lakers had a very good team (championship team as a matter of fact). You have to give them some credit for taking advantage of a few breaks to win.
I look at it that way rather than criticize the Kings/Chargers for not overcoming bad officiating. If you do that, where do you draw the line? Ten bad calls, twenty bad calls?
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on
Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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I wasn't negatively criticizing the Kings blowing it.
The whole point of the post was that the Chargers’ loss was unlucky (because it resulted from one officiating mistake at a crucial moment) and the Kings loss was unfair (because it resulted from a series bad calls that went on for long enough that it is impossibly unlikely that they were unbiased mistakes).
I hope people on StR don’t think me a lesser Kings fan because my opinion on the 2002 WCF has been, since the gutwrenching end, that the Kings got screwed in Game 6 and gave away Game 7 themselves. It’s a hard pill to swallow, since the Kings were better than the Lakers that year and should’ve won the Championship. But just like section’s original post says that Hochuli’s bad call “helped” cost the Chargers the game, I think Bavetta’s inappropriate officiating helped cost the Kings the ’02 Championship.
by furious.d on
Sep 21, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Well argued point
Which is why I’m recommending it. Even if I don’t agree with all of what was said.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Sep 22, 2008 7:31 PM PDT
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The NFL tends to do that more than the NBA
That isn’t the first time, or the last I suspect, a referee will apologize for a mistake.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Sep 18, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
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Very true...
and the NFL has apologized on behalf of the refs on many, many occasions.
by cabz on
Sep 19, 2008 10:34 AM PDT
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David Stern could take a cue from the NFL
But that would require him being a human being first, of which I personally believe he doesn’t not qualify for.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Sep 20, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
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Even admitting it was a poorly called game would have probably sated me back in the day — I’m easy to please. But Stern still holds the game was called right.
by Ziller on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 AM PDT 0 recs
Stern never lies
It was called right. Stern had his money on the Lakers.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on
Sep 18, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Called right
And called correctly are two different things. So yeah, like HighTops says, the game was called right in Stern’s eyes.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on
Sep 18, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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poorly called is one thing
conspiracy is another.
still Swish Fan #1.
by ChrisCEIT on Sep 18, 2008 1:00 PM PDT 0 recs
I voted K9
which I took to mean: Too little too late. If he had apologized soon after the game maybe, 6 years later? whatever.
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 18, 2008 3:18 PM PDT 0 recs
I vote the Knick Bavetta bookie option
Because I still don’t think the NBA on purpose screwed the KIngs. But that’s a personal opinion.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Sep 18, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
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The fact that Stern completely denied allogations of gambling...
Makes it true. How would David Stern know if Bavetta made bets or not? Instead of seriously looking into it and doing internal investigations, he went off by saying, along the lines of, “Those refs ABSOLUTELY did not gamble and anyone in the NBA who says they did will be fined or possibly thrown out.”
Another thing that caught my ear was that Stern said Bavetta was questioned by the FBI, then Bavetta said he wasn’t, which meant one of them were lying about it. I think Stern’s a shady bastard. He should be fired.
by CloudyEyes on Sep 18, 2008 5:15 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm as vindictive as the next Kings fan...
…but at this point, if he actually admitted he just f-ing blew it, I’d have to get over it.
But as it is right now, I WANT BLOOD.
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by andy sims on Sep 18, 2008 6:36 PM PDT 0 recs
Dick Bavetta's not here to talk about the past
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by Muff209 on Sep 19, 2008 7:38 AM PDT 1 recs
Kings got screwed because of ratings
game 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVfZ-CU-bx0
and the notorious game 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlGYvIMPgQ
by NFLranking on Oct 14, 2008 1:04 PM PDT 0 recs














