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BREAKING: Shareef Abdur-Rahim Retires

:-(

Amick:

For the last 18 months, the Kings forward had been unable to recover from two arthroscopic knee surgeries and was faced with the reality of retirement far sooner than he had anticipated. But after saying in July that his body would make the decision for him, the answer was not what he had hoped for.

"I've been in a situation where I've been trying to get healthy over the last year and a half," Abdur-Rahim said in a statement. "I came to grips with the fact that, health-wise, I won't be able to get back to the condition and level that is needed to play in the NBA. My right knee has become arthritic over the years and is to the point where it won't allow me to do the things and play at the level in which I'm accustomed to playing. As tough as it is to come to grips with, it's the reality."

Because I respect Shareef so damn much, I will not discuss the positive salary cap ramifications until at leat 6 p.m. Pacific.

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Thanks for everything Shareef. I’m glad the Kings could get you to at least one playoff series and i hope Petrie gives you a job within the organization. You are a class act.

by GOKINGS on Sep 22, 2008 4:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Class Act.

He really had one of the most polished post games in the NBA. Its a true shame that we as Kings fans weren’t able to enjoy his contributions to their fullest (due to injuries), and I hope to see him somewhere within the organization. Good Luck Reef.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Sep 22, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

Shareef for being a true professional during your seemingly brief stay in Sactown.

I’ll remember the 27 and 9 you put up on Duncan during Game 2 of the San Antonio series in ’06.

All the best!

"... if you watch the way I play, I'm not going to be flashy. I'm just going to get it done. I led the league in free throws made per game. There's nothing soft about that." - Speed Racer

by sroufe on Sep 22, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If we’ll get any kind of information relating his current knee problems to what was brought up by the Nets at the time he was up for his last contract. I’m curious to know if they were right to reject signing him or if his current condition is unrelated to the concerns they had at the time. From what I recall they were concerned about scar tissue from knee surgeries when he was young.

Oh, and I’m all for ’Reef as a big man coach.

by thekangarooster on Sep 22, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm no doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn

In his statement SAR said

My right knee has become arthritic over the years

Arthritis isn’t necessarily only associated with an injury. I have a torn miniscus in my left knee, but my right knee is perfectly fine. But, I have Rheumatoid Arthritis in both knees.

He played extended minutes for us the two years following his acquisition. So, if this is from that 04 injury, then he’s been playing with unbelievable pain for a long time.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 22, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Reef

And, please God, let Reef stick around to help our rookies, and let him make it to a championship at least as a coach.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What he (or she) said.

A class act, 100%. Best of luck, time to enjoy your family and life in general.

Someone will be smart enough to ask him to coach bigs, the man had outstanding footwork.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goodbye 'Reef!

Two moments of Shareef I will not forget: how he managed to get a technical with his jaw wired shut (and just playing hard in that condition in general), and taking it to Duncan the last time the Kings saw the playoffs. Thanks for your time with the Kings!

by Ball in Cup on Sep 22, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how he managed to get a technical with his jaw wired shut

The best moment of that hair-raising season. Great moment.

by Ziller on Sep 22, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Things

I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Reef. I’ve always held a deep hatred of Stu Jackson for picking him 3rd in the 96 draft. I think Reef’s talents, and the fact he’s been on one playoff team in his career, was simply bad luck. The cat always came to play, and always wanted to do the right thing. It was the reason he ended up on perenially poor sub 500 teams. It’s why he was always playing with bad franchises (Vancouver, Atlanta), or franchises going thru a ton of turmoil (Portland, Sacramento). One of the things I always hoped to see was that Reef get a chance for a ring so somebody could mention him as a player with the virtues that he had, and that it does pay to be a good.

Shareef, it was a pleasure to watch you play for 10 years over 4 cities, and it was always fun to root for you regardless of what your jersey. I hope your post basketball career is filled with the same class, dignity, and incredible play that your NbA career had.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction

the last line of the first paragraph is “it does pay to be a good guy.”

The 2nd line in the 2nd paragraph is" of what your jersey was."

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I also respect Shareef TZ
Because I respect Shareef so damn much, I will not discuss the positive salary cap ramifications until at leat 6 p.m. Pacific./blockquote> I refuse to discuss this because I don’t think it has any real salary ramifications except saving the Maloof’s quite a bit of dough in the first place. I truthfully don’t give a shit about the Maloof’s saving money. And if Reef becomes a valuable bench coach helping the young players in the long run it helped the franchise just as much. All I can say is that all this does is that it ensures the Kings won’t come near luxury tax the next 2 season unless they just spend alot of money on extensions and what not.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the terrible editing, grammar and sentence structure

It’s been a long & interesting day to say the least.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had a liquid lunch did we?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 22, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah sure did

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spin moves...

I really like the idea of Shareef becoming a big man coach for the Kings. I’d love nothing more than to see Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes break out Shareef’s patented spin moves around the hoop.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 22, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

or that hanging hook shot

by GOKINGS on Sep 22, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the true class acts

I was thrilled when we signed Shareef as a free agent. It seems like he was always one of those guys who burned us every time he played us.

I wish he could have stayed healthy, and I wish him all the best. Unless he goes on to coach another team’s bigs, and THEY turn into the guys who always burn us.

I hope the Kings are smart enough to keep him around.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 22, 2008 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope they appeal to him and make it an attractive option

I think he’d be a terrific coach myself.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 22, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think he should coach this year for free?

I do. He should also wash all the linens and be in charge of airing up all the practice and game balls to proper NBA specs daily. He should also take over for both Fat Lever and Henry Turner along side Coz and Krista. I want to see him make steak sandwiches one night (and yes, I want him to personally dip my bun in the au jus) and garlic fries another. Lastly, we hear at StR should expect him to kill Grant Napear with his bare hands as repayment to us for paying part of his salary over the last 3 years.

Good luck SAR, your salary spot will be greatly appreciated next season.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Sep 22, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Specialized sarcasm is always appreciated

Thanks for sharing it with me. I think I will drink a vat of cyanide. now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for no other reason than

Throttling Peaches.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 23, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throttling Peaches

Didn’t they open for Buckcherry?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Sep 23, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be ironic

if Shareef gets the wins as a coach he never got as a player. A fantastic player and man from his days at Cal to his retirement here.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Sep 22, 2008 9:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonna miss Reef

Reef was one of my favorite NBA players, ever. I hope he does stick around to coach. Great person on and off the court.

by rc360 on Sep 22, 2008 10:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Salutations dear friend

We know your career will long be considered “What if”, but the respect, love and admiration of your fans will never be questioned. We adored ‘Reef, and while I am not glad he retired, I am glad he retired a King.
Here’s to hoping we see you on the bench this season, looking as spiffy as Theus and making up for that time you could not speak with barkings to the post:
         “Back him down, Spence. Back him down!”
May your talents and knowledge continue on in the youngsters trying to take your place. And the sincerest wishes that your knees improve to where you can live a normal life – you gave your all every game, no need for you to give the game anymore of yourself.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Sep 23, 2008 12:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, now that the moratorium is over

What are the salary cap ramifications here? Is he fully off of the salary-cap ledger for the next two years? Loved you as a player, ’Reef, but I love you even more off the cap.

by furious.d on Sep 23, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lmcoon's FAQ is your best friend

lmcoon salary cap faq

Per question #53

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team’s team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief.

It would seem that his contract will count this season, but will not for next season.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It might kick in starting next February Kfan

I imagine Amick will clarify a lot of those types of details for us.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

it’s not really clear whether it kicks in at the time of the injury(1st game missed) or at the time of the retirement. Not that the cap relief really means anything for the team this season. We’ve already spent the MLE, but it would let us sign someone for the min. or take back more salary in a trade. So there would be some flexibility benefit.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My understanding

As long as they get medical clearance before this season begins, his salary comes off the cap for the entire 2009-10 season. There will be no relief for 2008-09. ’Reef still gets the full wage and the Kings still pay it, they just get the cap space for 2009-10.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Sep 23, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note

Sometimes “my understanding” is a contradiction in terms for me. This may be one of those times.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Sep 23, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The FAQ

I linked to above says:

There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player’s entire salary for that season is removed from the team’s team salary.

It says one year from the injury. So, if that’s true, then we could apply one year from when ever he had the surgery giving us cap relief for 08-09. But if it is from time of retirement, then we would apply next season, getting relief in 09-10. I’m still not sure of which way it will go. Hopefully Sam will clear that up at some point.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One year from injury

Question 53 on Coon’s Salary Cap Q&A

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team’s team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player’s entire salary for that season is removed from the team’s team salary.

It’s not the official CBA , but it reads to me like the year waiting period started last year. Although, they could be ruling that it’s his arthritis and not the injury that is causing his retirement. But, either way, we’re still over the cap so our options are limited. Only the Maloof’s pocketbook gets any real benefit this year.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I already quoted that

and linked it, but when is the injury said to have happened. The last game played? The date of surgery? The date he decides he has to retire? The date the league doctor ok’s his retirement? It’s not really clear. What if he played in the first game this season, and then decided that his knee was too bad and he retired then? It isn’t a new injury, the injury was still a year ago. What date would they use then?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2008 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure HighTops

has quite gotten how the conversations around here work yet.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I didn’t mean to step over your post. I started to post and got called away. When I returned I didn’t refresh, and didn’t notice yours before posting mine.

Bad form I know. Please chalk it up to rookie error. No insult intended

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not upset

I was just pointing out that I had seen what you posted, and still had questions. I wasn’t clear in my 1st two posts as to why I thought it was vague. So responding to your post just gave me a chance to express those questions in a clearer way.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't take my response as meaning much either

It takes awhile to get used to how conversations work around here.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Section

Insurance will pay the salary of Reef’s. That’s technically why the money comes off the Kings cap. If they still payed him his salary it would be on there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an answer from
Amick on the cap implications (emphasis mine):
My research had shown that it was too late to apply for the 2008-09 money to be taken off because he didn’t make his decision to retire until this summer, but I’ve been told that’s not the case. The key factor here is this: the first anniversary of his career-ending injury date. Because Abdur-Rahim played in fewer than 10 games, his date of career-ending injury could be deemed just after his final game played last season (Nov. 12).

If the league-appointed doctor confirms this timeline, then the Kings would apply for the relief just after that date this year and likely wind up getting the final two seasons of Abdur-Rahim’s contract ($6.2 million and $6.6 million, respectively) off of their cap. Abdur-Rahim would be paid in full through the insurance company.

Thanks for clearing this up Sam. There’s a lot of other good stuff in that post too so check it out.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 25, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that's what I've been saying for awhile with Reef

It all depends on the day they consider his injury to be the start of. So in alot of ways I think this is great for the Kings as a franchise if they get an earlier date. (I don’t think it matters to Reef any though.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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