Francisco Garcia Extension Coming After All?

by Ziller on Sep 23, 2008 9:46 AM PDT

Amick plays coy in a blog post this morning.

There may be reason to think I was wrong in this post about Francisco Garcia's future in Sacramento. That's all I can say for now.

That older post said Garcia wouldn't be getting an extension this fall. Apparently, something has caused Amick to question that assertion. Like, um, renewed contract talks.

As I said before: it's not a disaster if Garcia doesn't sign now. Small forward's a fairly deep position (it's all relative in Sactown) and Flaco's the type of player who won't break the bank next summer, even if he goes nuts. I doubt he'll end up more expensive than the mid-level (even if he starts half the season and drops 18/5). In that case, the Kings would be on the hook for a bit more than the MLE. No big deal, I imagine whatever deal Garcia'd accede to this summer isn't much less (maybe five years, $30-32 million.)

I think anything above $33 million over five seasons is too much at this point. The Kings need to preserve a flexible roster. Locking up role players (no matter how exhilarating they may be) to gaudy contracts shouldn't be the plan.

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Maybe this move is tied to the SAR retirement?

With the Kings freeing up cap space for next year, they can now look to extend Garcia without worrying about the threshold.

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by jjham15 on Sep 23, 2008 9:54 AM PDT 0 recs

Makes sense

Good point, jj.

by Ziller on Sep 23, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

To be honest

The threshold probably wasn’t in great chance to be breached anyway for a bunch of reasons. Moore’s contract, and not to mention the salary cap could actually go up which means the luxury tax threshold would go up too.

I think your point holds merit particularly with the timing that Amick reported it, and timing suggests that is true. I just think it’s possible the team could have found other ways to shed payroll to absorb Garcia’s notable increase, but it’s nothing compared to what the team had to accomplish by shedding Bibby’s deal.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let me further clarify my point

I think what JJ said about the timing suggests that the team isn’t worried about the luxury tax knowing Shareef’s salary won’t count (mostly) against the team’s salary cap. However, I also think there’s an alternative possibility too.

Perhaps the reason it hasn’t been started until now is that Garcia’s agent wanted to wait, and perhaps the Kings wanted to wait until later September to get the process started. That way Garcia can tell his agent what his goals in the process are, and the KIngs can figure out if Garcia is worth eating up potential Free Agent money in 2010. Along the way, and I say that to be a pain in the ass no less, I think what is possible that it was convenient for all parties to meet now and hide under the cover that Reef’s announcement gave credence to the Kings wanting to do an extension. I personally find it difficult that Reef’s announcement was the sole reason, but perhaps it was the final straw for the Kings to push an extension.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Another point that could be made against the Reef medical retirement as pushing a Garcia extension

Is the fact that the KIngs only have 51 and change in committed salaries before options kick in. Not taking in a couple of those options would have saved money had Reef not taken that retirement. There’s also the possibility that Reef might have opted out of his contract, had he not retired, to go to a team with a shot at a ring next season. Anything is possible is just my point.

(I’m thrilled the team is doing this now btw. Just absolutely thrilled.)

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by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think JJ is probably pretty

close to right on. If Reef did not retire and all options were picked up, our salary would’ve been at 67.6 per Sham. Add to that ~3 mil for out 2-1st rounders and ~1.5 for Bobby Jackson’s veteran minimum deal and we’re at ~72 mil. That’s not leaving a whole lot of room for any Garcia extension even if the threshold goes up to say ~74.

If we extended now(before Reef retirement) that would lock the team into buying out Moore, not picking up options for Douby and/or Williams, not resigning BJax or making a trade to shed salary. Rather than forcing themselves into making one of those moves, taking a wait and see approach to Garcia would have been the smart move for keeping future flexibility.

Now, without Reef off the books we can extend Garcia and not limit our flexibility. ie. We can sign Garcia to a deal starting at ~5mil, BJax ~1.5 and ~3 for Rookies, pick up all the options, keep Moore and be ~70.5, below this year’s tax threshold so also, presumably, below next years.

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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah and I understand that argument

I was really simply playing Devil’s Advocate KFan. I agree with alot of what you’re saying, but I was trying to point out that Reef’s medical retirement couldn’t necessarily be the only thing out there that caused this. I think both Garcia and the KIngs had a wait & see approach to an extension on him anyway, but after the summer Ben Gordon has had, I wouldn’t doubt that Garcia would just like to avoid that altogether.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

Well thought out

But as you pointed out if they had already resigned him and Reef didn’t retire they still had options. They wouldn’t have been any worse off than if they resigned him in July and Reef didn’t retire.

How about Ockham’s razor. Hasn’t Garcia been out of town completing with the Dominican Republic team in Europe? Maybe he’s been out of town and now that preseason is a week away he’s back.

But one thing I’d like to ask, is why does everyone thing it will take a MLE to sign Cisco. Yea, Salmons & Beno got it for 5 yrs, but the’re starters. Moore only got his for 3 yrs with the 3rd not guaranteed. Garcia’s coming off his rookie contract and can’t brake into the starting lineup. Why would he expect to sign for starter salary? I’d think $15M over 3yrs or something along those lines would be more appropriate.

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

Timing

Salmons is a starter now, but he was signed to back up Bibby, Martin and Artest. Garcia will asked to back up Martin and Salmons, we assume.

The other reason Garcia’s salary might be higher or the same as Salmons and Beno: salaries go up every year. NBA inflation is larger than US inflation (though that may not last long).

by Ziller on Sep 24, 2008 7:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

Good news if it happens

Can’t discount the good will factor created when reasonable contract talks conclude early or the opposite. Just look at the disaster this summer in Chicago.

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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2008 3:03 PM PDT 0 recs

An extension now is good

Cisco’s turning 27 at the end of the year, so locking him up through his prime would be a smart move.

by rc360 on Sep 23, 2008 3:23 PM PDT 0 recs

I consider Garcia one of the better 6th men in the league. I think he’s worth close to MLE money.

If Garcia was signed, does that raise questions over Salmons long term future?

I picture the starters being Martin and in the future Donte Greene, if Garcia was locked up long term there’s not exactly minutes available for another player like Salmons. I know, getting ahead of myself, but the thought popped into my mind.

by NBR on Sep 23, 2008 5:39 PM PDT 0 recs

I think it raises questions about Salmons

But those are also questions that could take some time to answer, and the KIngs don’t have to make a move that benefits them I think unless they get someone to take K9 along with Johnny S.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 23, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

Don’t have to make a move

Unless they were to get another starting SF, it’s essential that they don’t make a move until Garcia is signed. Cisco could be lost if we don’t extend his contract. So, if we moved Salmons this year, and lost Cisco, we have no one a SF but Greene’ and he’s still unproven.

We have no cap room this year even with Reef’s retirement were still $6M over. We have a good mix of Vets & Rookies at every position except maybe SF. GP is going to go with it for a year, see what he’s got, and decide what to do in the FA Market next year..

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

Stating what Geoff Petrie does in advance

Is not only a stupid statement, it’s an extremely naive one. I’ve never said what Petrie would do, because I simply know better. He never lets anything leak before it happens. Or at least not that I could remember. The best any of us can do is guess. If you’re smart, and pay attention, you can make an educated guess.

Like Ron Artest to Houston for instance. I didn’t think, at the time it was announced that the trade was finalized in principle, that Houston had entered back on the table. But during the trade deadline last season they were very much in play, and when Daryl Morey said that the Rockets were going to scale back and look at all their options I pretty much figured that they wouldn’t go after Artest. Apparently they didn’t feel they did anything to their core or anything because giving up Bobby J, Dante Greene and a future 1st meant nothing to them. That being said I was shocked that Houston actually made the decision, even with Adelman as the coach, but I think it’s a terrific move on their part. But I would point out, to re-affirm my whole point to begin with, that the leak came from Houston, and not Sacramento.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

now if only we could

trade Mikki Moore and Kenny Thomas to the magic for no one, this would be the greatest off-season ever (I’m assuming we’re trading Shreef the player for Shreef the baddest-ass-b ig-man-coach).

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by iashwash on Sep 23, 2008 6:38 PM PDT 0 recs

Easily done

I think Moore could be moved anytime this year. Cleveland was so desperate for bigs that they picked up Lorenzen Wright. Any team under the salary cap would probably take Mikki in a deal like Denver did with Camby. Plus an active 7 footer who gave us 82 games and has an early buy out, somebody is going to want him before the trade deadline.

Thomas on the other hand maybe not so easy this year. But, if GP decides to get into the 09 FA market instead of waiting til 10, then Thomas’ expiring in 10 could make him more valuable next year than he’s been in his entire career.

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

Only team under the salary cap to my knowledge is Memphis

You think they’re that interested in Mikki Moore? (In otherwords whatever team you deal Mikki Moore to means you’re getting money back in the form of a player in that deal.)

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:24 AM PDT up 0 recs

He did say trade

As you pointed out in another post, I’m new and a little nieve in the ways here. I’m also unfamiliar with who’s a regular and when someone is being facetious. So, in an effort to help , I made two suggestions of possible ways that Moore could be moved. I never meant to imply that either were likely, only possible.

At the time I believed that Memphis and Charlotte were under the cap. But it is possible that Charlotte’s total hadn’t be update for Okafor’s new contract by my source.

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

That's fine

I wasn’t criticizing. I’m aware you don’t understand the salary cap that much either. That’s fine too. What I was pointing out, and obviously it didn’t come across, is you can’t trade a player to a team over the salary cap unless they’re sending salary back. The only other way you can trade a player is to a team using salary space to absorb that salary. At this moment the only team that qualifies is Memphis, and regardless of whether Charlotte had signed Okafor, they didn’t actually have cap space because of cap holds (i definitely don’t want to go into that with you).

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by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

No more stinking MLEs!

MLEs are what got us into this salary mess in the first place. Garcia is not worth 6 million a year. There are plenty of other players in the league who can produce better than Garcia and would be very happy to play for a MLE contract. I think only starters deserve MLE kind of money and Garcia is not a starter, he’s a role player. I value Garcia at 3 to 5 million per season. Not 6 mil.

by CloudyEyes on Sep 23, 2008 9:37 PM PDT 0 recs

Respectfully disagree

Can you name some of those players that actually deserve the MLE?? I think a comparison may help the validity of your argument because I don’t see it

by eduardo_m7 on Sep 23, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up 0 recs

MLE's did not get us into this stinking mess

Chris Webber’s knee got us into this stinking mess, combined with the attempt to remain viable while we were still a contender.

There are four MLE’s on the roster right now: Udrih (too soon to tell), ’Reef (bad deal due to injury), Salmons (fair to good value), and Moore (at least fair value when you consider the alternative was K9(woof!).

I’m not saying whether or not Garcia is worth a five year MLE. I’m just saying that I respectfully disagree with the notion that MLE’s have sunk this team.

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by section214 on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

agreed

and I do think he can be one of the best 6th men in the league and that IS worth the MLE.

my opinion – but I see it in him.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 23, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up 0 recs

I was waiting

for you to say …..

Save Garcia!

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by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 23, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

I agree CWebb's knee got the Kings into this mess

But I don’t think that was the only mistake in the negotiating process either.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:40 AM PDT up 0 recs

I agree, and I don't.

I have been touting the MLE as the downfall of the NBA for sometime. It ties up money slowly while your not really thinking about it. Next thing you know you have Salmons, Moore, Beno and SAR are eating up nearly 25 million of the cap for a group of average to slightly below average NBA players. The MLE perpetuates a cycle of mediocrity by encouraging teams to add marginal pieces at what seems to be a reasonable rate in an attempt to stay competitive. The marginal pieces keep the mediocre status quo, promoting the feeling that maybe one more piece and we will have the winning combination.

Garcia is something different. The MLE promotes reaching out and taking on someone else’s junk. Petrie, probably at the behest of the Maloofs has signed players to give the appearance that he is still trying to put an emphasis on winning. By giving Garcia an extension, you are rewarding a player for improving every year he has been in the league while on your roster. You are providing some continuity, encouraging player improvement by taking their career seriously in the off season. Basically, the Kings are rewarding Garcia for being a good employee. Not all employees are Kevin Martin, you have great employees, bad employees and a lot in between. As someone who has hired and fired a ton of people, it is almost always better to slightly overpay for a known commodity than to move on and start over with new pieces. Not only to you reward one person, you set standards for others to achieve.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Sep 23, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

To be fair

‘Reef wasn’t “average” when he signed his deal, and it’s really too soon to tell on Udrih. Salmons and Moore may eat up $11 million this year, but they will come closer to fufilling their contract dollars than Brad Miller, K9(woof!), B-Jax, or Shelden Williams, and perhaps Quincy Douby. I just don’t think that one can accurately paint this team’s woes with a broad MLE brush.

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by section214 on Sep 23, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

Look at the career numbers of both Salmons, Moore and Udrih.

These guys are the poster children for what is wrong with the MLE. Shareef was certainly an exception to the rule, his career numbers coming into his free-agency year looked more like a 5 yr 50 mill contract but he was rightfully tanked by the Nets as a severe injury risk. Beno is the lucky recipiant of a desperate franchise and a weak free agent PG crop. There is no excuse for the money that either Salmons or Moore garnered. Hind sight might be 20-20 but Salmons was maybe a 3-4 million dollar player- out of options because he had backed out of deals with both Phoenix and Toronto. Moore had started a whopping 7 games in the first 8 years of his career, breaking out for the Nets after every other big man on their roster had been injured. Both of these players are role players or less on a quality team. Salmons would get minutes but Moore would probably be the 10-12 man on the roster that he has been through out most of his career.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Sep 23, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Moore isn't tying up any long term money

Salmons isn’t the damage to the cap that Kenny Thomas is. This is all relative. Would you like me to go through all the players that have received the Mid Level and see which one’s were really worth it? It’s a team’s choice to pay that. I’m glad the Kings signed Beno because he was the best option out there. But it’s not like Beno is the only option out there, and it’s not as if the Kings can’t get value for Beno down the road if they have to in some fashion I suppose (although I find that argument nearly impossible to justify).

I just think your generalization of MLE is fine about the perpetuity of mediocrity, but I don’t think that’s how the Kings fell from graces either.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:29 AM PDT up 0 recs

It's not why they fell from grace but I think it is why they can't get back up.

I think there is a balance between a good team on the verge and bad team trying to manage and the Kings got caught on the wrong side. The trick is to properly assess your team, leaving out loyalties and what ifs. Once you have an actual evaluation, make a concerted effort to change the course your on, not use the MLE band-aid fix. I know you’re an A’s fan and not a Billy Beane fan but I think he properly assessed the A’s during the off-season, taking into consideration the level of talent in the minors, the issues with injuries and the talent level on the current club, Beane made trades that no other GM would have done. It might not work out but the A’s franchise is better off long term. Bringing in Estaban Loaiza was an attempt at a band-aid fix. Unlike Beane, Petrie continued on the path, year after year giving out the MLE in an attempt to cling to something that wasn’t there.

I believe that bringing guys like Dahntay Jones and Justin Williams in on the cheap like Beane has brought in Jay Payton, Shannon Stewart and Emile Brown serves the same purpose as bringing in MLE guys but saves your cap space for players that are better than mediocre. Would the Kings have made the playoffs with Jones or Williams? No, but they didn’t make the playoffs either way and they have been pinned up against the salary threshold because of their decisions.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

Let's not use the A's/Kings as a comparison

First off Billy Beane isn’t running the team day to day as he was say, in 2005. David Forst is. Your point about trading to stock the farm system is one point, but the fact that the farm system was so bad you had to trade major league talent to re-strock is another. I’m not going there. i don’t want to play the A’s/Kings comparison game anyway.

As far as Petrie and perpetuity of mediocrity that’s an opinion. I don’t think the Kings kept themselves from moving forward. I think had they kept Artest any longer they would have. And to a greater degree kept that progress from happening by trading for Artest in the first place. This is a matter of opinion and from which angle you take it. You think they can’t get back up because of those contracts they signed, but those contracts aren’t the problems on the rosters. All those came from players that the Kings had in the glory years. Thomas in the Webber deal, MIller signed when the franchise was still good enough to win a championship one season, Bibby the same thing, Artest traded for Stojakovic with the knowledge he’d be around for 2-3 seasons or so. That is a franchise that wouldn’t let go when it needed to, and handing out the MLE to Rahim, Salmons and Moore doesn’t do anything. The problem was with the core group of players to begin with.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up 0 recs

I agree

I actually think that the situation is more of a statement about the business in the NBA. To sign a player you have to overpay most times. If you don’t overpay, the next team will. In order to sign players, usually for them to change teams, you would have to pay a little more than what market value is. It’s just basic economics, if you really want a player you have to outbid other teams.

That being said I don’t think any of our players signed for the MLE are extremely overpayed and if we were to use it on Cisco I don’t think it would be the case either. If some think the MLE is too much for him just know that some other team will sign up for it (or even more) and that it will be same situation with any other player that brings to the table the same he does. I actually don’t think there’s another one like Cisco, not in terms of being emotional and passionate about his team so stop looking elsewhere. I think we got our dude…

by eduardo_m7 on Sep 23, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

Intangibles

drive, desire, leadership. How it all turns out as far as production and wins – Hell, I don’t know. I just think its a good bet that I’d make for some of the reasons above.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 23, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

Your talking fiscal responsibility

The MLE isn’t a $ amount it’s a way of spending more than you have to spend. It allows you to keep adding salary even though your already over the cap. And, just like money, if you spend it foolishly, like maxing out your credit cards, eventually your going to have to pay up.

As has been pointed out, this started because of CWebb’s contract and injury. That got us stuck with Thomas’ contract. Then GP took a gamble on SAR’s knee because we needed to replace Weber down low with our center playing in the high post. GP gambled one more time on Mikki while still trying to find a PF. But, at least, Mikke only got 3 years, and the last not guaranteed.

Beno’s deal value from a player stand point will be determined this year, but it already has saved the Maloof’s millions. If Salmons continues to play like he did when he replaced Artest, his deal would be considered a steal except for the fact that he had to share time with Artest.

GP made some decisions after CWebb’s injury that lead us down a fruitless and expensive path to find his replacement. But, the Beno and Salmons deals could be golden strokes of genius. We’ll have to wait and see.

Use the Force wisely, GP

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2008 1:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

MLE

Sorry to be untaught, but can you sign two MLE contracts in one year?

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Sep 24, 2008 1:41 AM PDT 0 recs

Nope

but when talking about Garcia, it wouldn’t be an MLE. People are just talking about MLE like money. MLE is an exception that allows a team that is over the salary cap to sign a free agent anyway. Garcia would be an extension and since we own his rites we wouldn’t have to use an exception to sign him.

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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2008 4:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thank you for stating that in simple terms

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 6:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

Simple terms are all I understand

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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2008 7:19 AM PDT up 0 recs

Me too (simple terms)

It’s the translation to simple terms that get a little head swampy.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 24, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'm going to say this once

in response to all the mid-level-contract anger:

Mikki Moore was a great signing. If I was Petrie, I would have done the same thing. A year after the fact, I would do the signing again. The contract is beautiful and elegant. Mikki Moor gives you consistent effort (if not consistent production) at two positions that are night-in-night-out a consistent question, so consistency is worth 6 million alone in this league. He is a role-player that will accept the lesser minutes, is an energy guy, is a great community guy, is a great guy to have on your bench.

Damn you all to hell that won’t acquiesce the obvious. Okay, maybe not damn to hell, but please shutup. Don’t blame Mikki because he’s been so gracious to take on a role (starter) he wasn’t signed to fill.

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by iashwash on Sep 24, 2008 8:18 PM PDT 2 recs

A-

men!

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by section214 on Sep 24, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

Rec'd

Mostly so I won’t be damned to hell. ;-P

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by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 24, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up 6 recs

LPA made a joke

everybody rec it! ;p

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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up 2 recs

You got it bawse

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by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

there are many things hilarious

about the rec for the post getting the greenlgiht of infamy. I applaud you Kfan. Yes, I rec’d it too.

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by iashwash on Sep 28, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Going to hell

Mikki Moore was not a great signing. A great signing is a guy that takes you somewhere. Yes, the Kings had nothing before Mikki was signed and he gave them (a little) something, but that doesn’t make it great, just better (maybe) than the alternatives at the time.

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by Carl on Sep 25, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up 0 recs