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Cap Implications of Francisco Garcia's Contract

We don't know the parameters of Francisco Garcia's extension yet, just that it is a five-year deal worth a total $29.8 million. It could be progressive, flat or declining. But we can assume there won't be a ton of variation around the mean salary, $6 million.

The extension doesn't kick in until 2009-10, so there's no change for '08-09: the team remains near the luxury tax level, and the team cannot afford to take back more salary than is dished out in any trade this year.

In 2009-10, the team now projects to be just under the salary cap level of roughly $60 million: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Garcia, Kenny Thomas, Brad Miller, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Beno Udrih, Donté Greene and two first-round picks comes to roughly $57.5 million in salary. By July 2009, the Kings must decide whether to waive Mikki Moore. If they do waive Moore, the Kings will be on the hook for $2 million. (That figure is included in the above figure.) If not, Moore will earn $6.2 million, and the cap number at this point would be about $62 million, which is certainly over the cap. By the end of this October, the Kings must decide whether to pick up the '09-10 contracts of Shelden Williams ($4.3 million) and Quincy Douby ($2.2 million). Picking up both would put the Kings within $2 million of the luxury tax line if Moore is kept, or about $6 million away from the luxury line if Moore is waived. The only scenario in which the Kings next summer will be too close to the luxury line to offer its full mid-level exception is if Moore is kept and both Williams and Douby are picked up. (One other possibility: the Kings' 2009 pick is really, really high, like top 5. Those cats are expensive.)

The Kings now have seven players locked up for 2010-11. That situation, minus Garcia, is summed up in this post. We assumed a $6 million salary for Garcia (how canny), and estimating the costs of all the draft picks, we're looking at roughly $24 million of cap space in the vaunted summer of 2010. Any max player borne of the draft class of 2002-03 will command $19.6 million in starting salary. The Kings have some breathing room.

In my opinion, the bigger impact than any of this is that Garcia is locked in as a piece of the Kings' core; he's got permanent membership in the Tomorrow Brigade. Instead of worrying about his contract issues all year, we can just have fun watching him play. It worked with Martin.

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Cisco a King forever

I couldn’t be happier about the my favourite player.

by ZenBaller on Sep 25, 2008 3:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Any speculations?

Any thoughts on picking up Douby and Shelden’s options for next year? It looks to me from looking at your numbers, that releasing them gains us nothing but the middle level exemption and two roster spots.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 25, 2008 3:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Depends

I think it depends on what, if anything, the two show in camp and preseason. For Williams, that’s a whole lotta cheddar. You better think he’ll contribute in 09-10 to pay that much. Douby will probably get picked up by default, just because it’s a small amount. I’d really watch what Petrie and Theus say about Williams over the next week, though.

by Ziller on Sep 25, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how bout not picking him up

and resigning him for lerss cheddar? Is that ever done? Or would there be too much bad blood.

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by iashwash on Sep 25, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Possible

That’s a possibility. The risk would be: you can’t negotiate that legally before making the move because you’re declining the option this October and wouldn’t be able to re-sign him until next July. I don’t think Petrie skirts the rules too much, and if Williams got hurt or got good, either side could balk.

by Ziller on Sep 25, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That only becomes a mistake

If Shelden makes a huge contribution somewhere else that he could have reasonably made in Sac. But that’s my humble opinion. (And today I have alot to be humble about.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bird Rights?

If the Kings decline the options for Douby/Williams, don’t they also give up their Bird Rights? This would mean that they would need to have Cap Space or use part of an Exception to re-sign them. Just something to think about.

by smgmatt on Sep 26, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll look that up

That’s an interesting question smg.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you need a reference point

The W’s declined Patrick O’Bryant’s final year option before last season . . . which is where I think I heard about this.

by smgmatt on Sep 26, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ummmm I don't

Because I’m reading the FAQ and it says they become an un-restricted FA. I think the Kings would lose Bird Rights under that scenario for Shelden but not Quincy, and this is why. (And I’ll explain why O"Bryant lost his too while I"m at it.)

To quote the master

EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION — This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception, and is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called “Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents” in the CBA. A player qualifies for this exception after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Using this exception, a team may re-sign its own free agent for 175% of his salary the previous season or the average player salary, whichever is greater (see question number 24 for the definition of “average salary.” Also note that for 2005-06 they used a defined figure of $5 million). Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons (which limits this exception’s usefulness — it’s often better to take a lower salary for one more season and then have the full Bird exception available the next season) and no longer than five seasons. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract using this exception.

If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the second year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the third season (see question number 38), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their third year option. In other words, teams can’t decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money.
If the player is a restricted free agent with two years of service and receives an offer sheet from a new team, the player’s prior team may use the Early Bird exception to match the offer sheet (see question number 36 for restricted free agency).

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 20 for details.

Shelden and Quincy both have early Bird Rights if they complete 4 years, but not if the teams don’t exercise both options. So that’s why they lose it. Because they don’t qualify for Bird Rights, and in Shelden’s case, he hasn’t been with the Kings for at least 3 seasons either. (In looking up the answer I didn’t realize how much Early Bird Rights affected this. So I apologize.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 2:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

future cap space dreaming...

isn’t our best case scenario that SHawes, JT, and Greene are the real deal… and that most of the cap room is used to extend SHawes, maybe see about an upgrade at point? Seems to me at least two of the three have to be pretty good in a couple years so that the cap space can be used to upgrade the weakest of those three positions… I think trade is a more likely scenario than FA signing at that time… with cap space you can take back more money than you send out… a huge advantage in making deals.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 25, 2008 4:24 PM PDT   0 recs

oh, and Shareef too...

Amick provides clarification that suggests Shareef’s 08/09 salary may come off our books this year… any thoughts on how or if that should be used?

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 25, 2008 4:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Not at all

There’s no MLE left, so it’d be minimum or vet’s exception players. I don’t think there’s anyone out there to use it on.

What it really does: breathing room, so you can feel comfortable if the current year incoming salaries are a bit more than outgoing.

by Ziller on Sep 25, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree...

but there is a position on the roster now available… the return of Justin Williams?

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 25, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He still hasn't signed?

But that would put as 4 deep at the point guard spot. Would you rather see Bobby Brown get minutes, or Jason Williams?

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by iashwash on Sep 25, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe Jason Williams

signed with the Clips, but LTLFTC mentioned Justin not Jason.

I don’t think we need to sign anyone. Keep the roster spot open for a training camp standout or in case someone gets injured. Having an open slot would also allow us to make a 1 for 2 type of trade without having to cut anyone.

12 man active roster is Beno, Martin, Salmons, Moore, Miller, Garcia, Hawes, JT, BJax, Shelden, Greene, and Douby. With K9 and Brown in street clothes. Why sign someone else?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 25, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't realize

I didn’t realize that there is no active roster spot for Bobby Brown. That’s a shame. Maybe it’s time to trade Douby for a second round pick.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 25, 2008 7:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

Douby is really caught between a rock and a hard spot with this team. He has Garcia or Salmons in front of him, along with Martin. Douby can’t play PG if his life depended on it, so, I don’t think we should pick up his option. The thought of Douby PG makes me shiver in terror.

by CloudyEyes on Sep 25, 2008 8:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Odds are

somebody will turn an ankle or stubb a toe in preseason. So don’t think Brown will be a permanent bench warmer.

by KingsFan on Sep 26, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

Think of it this way… Moore/Miller/Williams/K9 will all be gone by 2010, in all likely-hood. That leaves just Hawes and JT at the big spots. We’re going to need to sign someone else, whether it be a superstar, or someone to backup those spots. Honestly, I don’t think we should linger with Miller. Williams…maybe, if he improves.

by CloudyEyes on Sep 25, 2008 8:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The chances that

any player we pick up at the league minimum(the only thing we have to offer) will impact the team are slim. Though we did get Beno last season. If something like that comes along, then you do it. It should be noted, we signed Beno after the season started. An argument for keeping a spot open.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 25, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Save the spot

I agree with saving the spot so we don’t limit ourselves if a trade comes up. Now, that we signed Cisco and if we option in Douby & Williams, our moves are down to trades and exemptions for next year

Miller is still top ten rated among centers on some sites, And, he leads all our bigs in every catagory. I’d rather work on moving K9 & Mikki. Even if we do nothing with Miller, we still get $12M in cap space. We get nothing for K9’s $8,8M while he’s still here.

If you compare mpg, pts, & rebounds, Shelden & Hawes look close. Willians only had 2.5 months to blend last year, so I think he deserves a chance.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 26, 2008 2:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that might put us over the cap!

thanks, i had forgotten that “other” talent

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 25, 2008 5:06 PM PDT   0 recs

This is great

If Miller puts some excess weight back on, they can be Cisco and Pauncho.

I like this signing. Not a lot of glue guys running around in this league.

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by section214 on Sep 25, 2008 6:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Zing!

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Sep 25, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just got back!

from a work trip. Very VERY glad to see the Kings make this move. I know it has a chance of not working out – but I do believe i would have taken the risk. Although i don’t think Cisco is a legitimate starter in this league (size/weight) he is/can be a game changing 6th man off the bench for years to come. Our very own Barry Bro.

I count very highly towards a player who really truly WANTS to make a difference and doesn’t seem to mind coming off the bench as long as he’s an important part of the team.

Go Cisco – GO!

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 25, 2008 7:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Also on Shareef

I thought the team could appeal his salary this year to the league and have some part of it covered by insurance if he’s certified ‘unable to play’.

???

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 25, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shareef''s covered

As reported by Amick today & surmised by Kfan yesterday, since Reef played less than 10 games, the Kings may be able to apply for an exclusion of his salary for 08/09 & 09/10. But, his salary coming off the books still puts us over the salary cap. Therefore, we are unable to sign any fa’s unless we use one of our Exemptions,

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 26, 2008 2:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's well said & stated

Because that is entirely true.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

RE:
Payin' a dingleberry scrub 30M to make a few short-bus type mistakes every game...meh.

"Hi, everyone! I’m not a significant contributor to anything the team does, I DO however look good on TV while not showing much more than a few dunks and the ability to turn over the ball in new and stupendous ways. I got a sweet lookin’ form when I brick a tre, you can barely understand my accent, I look REAL angry all the time, and I still can’t crack the starting line up. I wonder why?

My first year with the Kings, I was brought in as a backup in case Kevin Martin didn’t pan out. Heck, even GP said I would be a better player(Thanks GP! always spot on). Everybody in SACRAMENTO loves me, I have all this money…it’s good to be El Flajo!

I have a question for all you folks: What is my game? I’m not good enough for off-guard OR to run the point consistently, and I continually get slapped around at forward. I make wrong passes, brick must-makes, and continually talk about playing time. For that matter why in hell did they give me all this money?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ooooo. Sorry, fellas. TANGENT w/ SARCASTIC OVERTONES. Let me say this again for the noobs: WTF does this guy do anyway? HE’s not a Ginobili/Barbosa/Barry type of 6th man. NEver will be.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM PDT   0 recs

Don't be shy. Tell us how you REALLY feel.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said in your post, but I just want to focus on a coupld of things.

First, are you really going to complain about the guy’s accent? I had a harder time understanding Peja, Vlade and Hedo. Even Jason Williams. But his ethnicity shouldn’t enter into your analysis of Garcia as a player.

Second, Cisco does a lot of things well. He has a good handle, he’s a deadly shooter when he’s on, and he can direct the team from the point when he’s bring the ball up the court. He doesn’t do anything the best, but he’s well-rounded, hasn’t had consistent minutes for a couple of years, and is still relatively young.

Third, I don’t think taking slaps at the “noobs” by which I assume you mean newbies, advances your argument in any meaningful way. This site is populated by people who are reasonably knowledgeable and/or willing to learn. Just because someone doesn’t agree with your particular take on a particular player is no reason to start in with the name calling.

Just sayin’.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I just got done reading Sacbee comments about this signing...

and was about to comment on how horrendously unintelligent most of their comment were.

Your comment belongs over there.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Psych (o)

For hitting your point with a hammer and then telling us who made the hammer, how much it weighs and how its the best hammer that ever wacked.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 26, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a fair comparison

Ginobili and Barbosa make more than Cisco, especially Ginobili who makes double. Barry is a good shooter but does not have the athleticism of Cisco and can’t do many of the things he does.

Cisco has been improving in the dumb mistake area.

by KingsFan on Sep 26, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention

That Ginobili is an AllStar and starter on most teams. Barbosa is a starter on many teams as well.

The comparison was there to serve his point alone.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hooboy.

From the bottom to top:

I started a thread last season about exactly what Garcia does, and it raged for about 3 days til TZ broke it up. I don’t take slaps at noobs, I was one too and slapping yourself ain’t much fun(I.e., it’s a term, not an insult)

‘Cisco does alot of things OK. He also makes insane blunders. His handle is ok, but passing decisions are highly suspect. If he was ready for consistent minutes he’d get them. It says alot that he can’t force out Salmons at the 3. Salmons is good for OUR team, not so good elsewhere.

ICGAFF about his accent, it’s a joke, not a barely-disguised racial slur. ACCENTS SOUND FUNNY. Mine, yours, and everyone around the world. IF you talk, someone in the world is gonna think that’s funny.

I know you all love to get your egghead running, discuss salary-cap ramifications(Pookey), discuss ridiculous trades that’ll never happen in Sac., plus your statistics…oh, your beloved statistics…I’m fine w/ that. What I’ll never understand is your intolerance to opinions that don’t match your own. There’s plenty of geniuses and idiots here, and arguments just goes round in circles. Just lemme say what I’m gonna say and let the Peanut Gallery have a moment of silence.

What gets me is the seriousness you all take yourselves with. Are you making anything off this, to spend hours on all the ways to subvert a salary cap? What’s your end in all this? Believe it or not, SBNation is much like Rants n Raves/sports edition. Go look and see if you can’t find your archetype there. I dare ya.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 9:44 AM PDT   0 recs

?

“Just lemme say what I’m gonna say and let the Peanut Gallery have a moment of silence.”

Why contribute to inspire silence?

by BrooklynFan on Sep 26, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lordy...
Just lemme say what I’m gonna say and let the Peanut Gallery have a moment of silence.

That’s not really how the internet works. Or life in general. If you waltz in to someone’s home and start screaming like a maniac, I think it’s well within acceptable norms for the people in that home to respond. If anything, LPA and CAB were too nice.

What gets me is the seriousness you all take yourselves with. Are you making anything off this, to spend hours on all the ways to subvert a salary cap? What’s your end in all this?

We seem to have fun. If you don’t, go to Bee’s comment section. You’ll find plenty of people to type in caps and make fun of Garcia’s accent there.

Man, the Artest Wars of 2008 really sent some people off the deep end. Poor Psychrates has never recovered.

by Ziller on Sep 26, 2008 10:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Next time on Ziller's Real World:

How babies are made.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, TZ...

That’s my new handle, ever since you switched to SBNation, my for mer nom de plume was KingsTalkRefugee.

 Like was said previously, you’re taking this way too seriously. IF what I say sounds like garbage, why dignify garbage by responding to it?

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because ...

You’re tossing your garbage into my house. There are plenty of dumpsters around, mate.

by Ziller on Sep 26, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Garbage you say?

Have you seen the folks whom you regularly give top fanposts?

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mate.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah. On that note...

Giving up 20 and 6 plus the best deffensive stopper in the game to another Western conference rival for old(still respect bobby though), unproven(Greene), and the unknown(Pick) was not his best move yet.

As much as I was not a fan of CW off-the-court, I’d rather have him now then who we got in trade for him.

I wonder how Peja’s doin? Ooo…

How bout that Hedo?

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no silence. Lotta ppl talkin'.

 but to comment on what was not asked for comments is a bit of hubris, ya think?

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 9:53 AM PDT   0 recs

Hubris

I think a better example of hubris would be to login to a Kings fansite, call a member of the Kings – who happens to be a solid NBA player – a scrub, make fun of one of the best and most-senior general managers in the league, claim that one of our players is “good for OUR team, not so good elsewhere,” and then proceed to dump on the members of the forum for wasting their time.

You say that your posts didn’t ask for comments, but you directly address multiple questions to the forum. This site is completely centered around discussion. It’s fine to disagree with popular opinion around here, but if you just want to make incendiary remarks without being challenged to defend them, get yourself a journal.

by furious.d on Sep 26, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Besides,

If we’re not going to rip on particular players will anyone ever see a (woof!) again?

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Psy

‘Thanks For hitting your point with a hammer and then telling us who made the hammer, how much it weighs and how its the best hammer that ever wacked.’

I bow to your prescience, kneel to your anger and applaud your objectivity.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Sep 26, 2008 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's called

facetious sarcasm. If you couldn’t see the sarcastic bent of my post, I apologize.

Oh, wait.

Incendiary? You mean like certain drunken uber-posters dropping F-bombs and callin people a not-so-nice-word that begins with B?

  1. I’m not making fun of GP. He DID say that. And he is the best GM for the money.
  2. Solid? When. He’s less than 50/50 on Spectacular vs. stupid plays.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT   0 recs

I know its Friday and all

but its a little early to be hitting the bottle don’t ya think?

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PErsonal attacks aren't

your strong suit. It brings down the conversation we shouldn’t be having.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Effective use of objective reasoning and the Caps lock button

aren’t yours.

Seriously though. Your on something. Take a break, breath and get back on when you’ve sobered up.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The capslock nazi says

 “No post for you!”

Seriously though. You’re on something. Take a breath, correct your spelling, and come back when you’re not feeling yourself so egregiously.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good to see

You’ve got that itchy pinky on the left hand under control. Now you just need to get the right one under wraps, and stop commenting.

In the mean time I will concede defeat and let you have the last word. I’m going over to Sacbee.com to spread the gospel of the Caps Lock Nazi to other noobs.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Sep 26, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hesitate to continue to contribute to this discussion,

but you’ve got me, hook line and sinker, Psychrates.

1. You are making fun of GP. Instead of just saying that Garcia was a letdown you add “Thanks GP! always spot on.” That, my friend, is sarcasm

2. I look forward to your statistical analysis of Francisco Garcia’s deviation from the average spectacular vs. stupid play ratio of a solid player. (Now I’m being sarcastic.)

Apparently I didn’t get the sarcastic bent of your post, but no need to apologize. Now that I know that you were being sarcastic, I’m relieved that we’ve clarified that we all agree that it is, in fact, a good contract.

by furious.d on Sep 26, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

GREAT contract

for a mediocre player.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IN #2 I thought you were being ironic.

Literal in #1.

Sarcastic in your last statement. No, actually, I’ve changed my mind. Last statement was a literal interpretation of psychrates post comment meta framework of facetious sarcasm.

by BrooklynFan on Sep 26, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

YW

Lie. I do my best.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:04 AM PDT   0 recs

Learn how to reply on everybody's comment pls

You do it some and not on others. It’s just irritating to read that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Aha.

Will do when you’re not twice what I am in thannoying/annoyed balancebook.

…and just because:

I predicted a Dream Team loss this year. Pookey said I was full of it and was the one who decided that the B-word was suited to my opinion and personality.

I was wrong he was right.

Yet, I still can’t lose for winning.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 26, 2008 11:22 AM PDT   0 recs

Yep you got me there

I called you a bitch cuz you predicted a loss in the Olympics which I don’t give a shit about in any shape or fashion. The same Olympics which I usually just tune out. So, yes, you got me. Enjoy your victory.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 26, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

I don’t like having to closed comments to the thread, but someone needs an afternoon away to breathe, so this one’s done-zo.

Good flippin’ grief.

by Ziller on Sep 26, 2008 2:52 PM PDT   0 recs

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