Francisco Garcia somehow got a 5 year, $30 million extension from the Kings, which is basically MLE money. This after one decent year. Based on last year's play, and last year's play only, is Garcia worthy of the MLE? No, not really. He learnt how to shoot, but only to the direct detriment of his defense. Yet somehow, the Kings think that this one semi-decent season from a soon to be 27 year old backup is worth giving him a 5 year novelty oversized extension. Okay. Have fun paying him $7 million when he's 32. (Note: if Garcia tunes his game to the point where he plays the average defense that he used to play, yet keeps his fancy new jumpshot as well, then this will be fine.)
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I know it’s only one incomplete measure, but only two guys who could conceivably be called guards had more blocks per possession last season (Dorell Wright, Rodney Carney). A couple small forwards were ahead of Garcia, too (Pietrus, Barnes).
Garcia’s defense did suffer in 2007-08, but so did everyone’s. The entire team sucked on defense. We can either blame each individual for it all, or blame the coaching staff some, the circumstances some, and the players some. And if we’re blaming players, three should be absolved (Artest, Salmons, and Garcia, in that order).
by Ziller on Sep 29, 2008 4:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything said there
But I also think the constant shuffling of rotations didn’t help Garcia’s defensive rating either. After all he and Salmons both were asked to defend almost as much of a range as Artest is capable of. That’s not a fair thing to ask out of 3 guys who are tailor made to defend a 2 or 3.
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by pookeyguru on Sep 29, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would further note ...
Would it be surprising if Garcia’s jumper stuck around? He shot fairly in his first two seasons and was an incredible shooter in college. This isn’t a fluky jumpshot, I think.
by Ziller on Sep 29, 2008 6:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair Market Value
The foreign teams are now competitors for the services of NBA players. MLE’s are the new fair market value for players like Garcia. You’re going to have to pay for the upside or potential for guys like Udrih and Garcia, or you’re going to lose them.
This would have been seen as a great signing had the Lakers added him – “Garcia brings a toughness and a bench presence that the Lakers desperately lacked last year. He is not afraid of taking the big shot and can handle the ball a little – don’t be surprised to see Garcia on the floor at the end of tight games this year.” The “Sham” comments speak more to where he Cisco is, not who Cisco is.
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by section214 on Sep 29, 2008 8:01 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
They put the 'Sham' in Sham Sports
Garcia’s numbers were nearly as good as Salmons as a starter. Francisco is a sparkplug, a leader and is fearless on the court. There is no reason to think he’ll get worse, and there’s a good chance he’s the full time starter at the beginning of next season. I think it’s a good deal.
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by Carl on Sep 29, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to point out that sometimes organizational value is different from outsider value
Many people think Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league for instance. Many others think LeBron James is. How many people think the same thing of Daniel Gibson? Or Sasha Vujacic? (I think they’re both valuable within their skill sets.)
In otherwords taking one guy’s opinion at face value isn’t worth alot. A sample size of other stuff he wrote in that column:
Sammy Mejia, former draft pick of the Pistons, has signed for a Greek team named AEL 1964 Larissa, whose name derives from a joyous union of some opticians, the seminal Beatles smash “I Want To Hold Your Hand”, and a 6’4 black transexual hooker. Sounds like a good night in.
I don’t think this guy is a moron, but I think the guy didn’t see the number justification with what he checked to justify what Garcia “got” as far as money goes.
I do think he isn’t an idiot. And I still love his salary info more than just about anywhere else too.
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by pookeyguru on Sep 29, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His narrow vision
He’s looking at stats. He sees one good year and thinks Cisco isn’t worth that much. And, from that view point I agree. But, GP obviously saw something more. He probably saw the potential that he visioned when he drafted him. After all it’s the buyer and the seller that determine value, not market value.
IF GP thought he was going to be the type of player we saw at the end of the year, he’s probably worth every penny and then some.
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by HighTops on Sep 29, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I know
I was just making a point that perhaps what he was saying really wasn’t that much of a criticism when you consider how external a view it is.
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by pookeyguru on Sep 29, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th man?
If you believe he will/would be our (or anyones) 6th or 7th man over the next four years
- Than it is not overpaying in todays market.
I am comforted by the fact that he did not seem to think he was worth 8 or 10 mil like so many players seem to. He knows his role and embraces it.
If you don’t think he’s almost every teams 6th man – well, you don’t like this deal.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 29, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd Add
That by my off-the-cuff calculation the Kings could easily have an extra $10 mil as early as next season to sign a free agent if the rookies look slow to develop.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 29, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely
Not if they pick up Douby and Williams’ options and then there is two more rookie contracts.
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by HighTops on Sep 29, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^
you can’t off-the-cuff calculate salary cap. Too many people here to correct you.
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by iashwash on Sep 29, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
Starting with me. (Being corrected I mean.)
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by pookeyguru on Oct 1, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that.
I didn’t say half as much as this site did, and pantiew were bunched all around…
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by Psychrates on Sep 30, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have always been a fan of Francisco Garcia without ever really knowing why, and if you think that my comments were born out of some dislike or lack of understanding of Garcia, or some systematic hatred for the Kings and everything that they represent, then you’re trying way too hard to dislike me. Similarly, if you think that my penchant for writing immature jokes and procrastinating wordplay somehow invalidate my basketball opinions, then again you aren’t really looking. I like Garcia, I like the Kings, and I have no reason to bias any team other than the Bulls, with whom I share carnal relations.
That said, the Kings still overpaid. It’s starters money for a backup, and to whomever said that I’m looking at stats…..yes, I am. They’re a pretty good way to measure production, which ultimately is the most important thing when making roster moves. Garcia’s versatile and pretty good, but he’s a backup. To justify the paycheck, he will have to make another noticable improvement to his game. Paying for upside and potential is fine, but at age 27, this isn’t too likely any more. He’s not better than Salmons, even though he’s comparable (something which some of you used as a justification), yet he’s paid more. That, too, doesn’t bode well.
I made a deliberate point of stating at the end how Garcia can justify the contract by putting together what he’s shown he can do in his time in the league. Focus on that bit.
Also, haha! I see what some of you did with the “Sham” there! Haha! Hadn’t even seen that before! If I’d known…..!
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Sep 30, 2008 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I respect your opinion, but...
If the Kings did overpay for Garcia, it was by no more than about a million a year (that would bring in him line with the comparable Salmons, right?). So, is it bad for a team that is going to have considerable cap room in the near future to slightly overpay for a glue guy that can fill a number of roles and positions? No way. If Garcia never starts, he can fill at least two roles off the bench better than paying two individual contracts to do the same.
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by section214 on Sep 30, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I refer you
back to my comment on the Blazer/Kings match-up that off the bench I’d take a guy with the talent & versatility to play three positions (two very well) over a talented single position player off the bench.
When starters are off the floor and the subs are rotating through – such a player is extremely valuable as they allow the BEST of the rest of your bench to enter and contribute more completely and successfully at the positions they are best suited for.
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by lietothegirls on Oct 1, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well stated Section
So, is it bad for a team that is going to have considerable cap room in the near future to slightly overpay for a glue guy that can fill a number of roles and positions? No way. If Garcia never starts, he can fill at least two roles off the bench better than paying two individual contracts to do the same./blockquote> Garcia is one of those guys who will always be perceived by outside individuals as overpaid and by team followers such as ourselves as worth it considering the alternative. That’s just one of those things.
I do stand by my comment that the guy who writes Sham is not a moron, and despite his failing of being a Bulls fan, is probably worth reading for some amusing anecdotes if nothing else. (I’d read more of the blog, but I just don’t have the time. That’s true of about 30 blogs for me at the moment.)
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by pookeyguru on Oct 1, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Even though I had to parse through your broken “blockquote” . . . I had to rec you for this statement alone:
Garcia is one of those guys who will always be perceived by outside individuals as overpaid and by team followers such as ourselves as worth it considering the alternative. That’s just one of those things.
(Hopefully my blockquote doesn’t break too.)
by smgmatt on Oct 2, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why I did that smg
I thought I had it separated. Thanks for separating it for others you quite didn’t understand.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 2, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who quite didn't understand^
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by pookeyguru on Oct 2, 2008 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
The comments regarding his comments on FG put you in the same place you claim him to be, folks.
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by Psychrates on Sep 30, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, seriously
I’d like to take a moment to thank you for stopping by and continuing the discussion.
It says a lot about how you take your writing when you’re willing to jump into the fire of the (most likely biased) hometown fanbase to further explain your reasoning. Regardless of where we each stand at the end of the conversation . . . I respect that.
And I must say that your “sham” comment made me laugh, as we’ve seen the same thing from outsiders repeating the classic “Queens” rip on the Sacramento franchise, and are similarly bored with it. Pots, Kettles, and all that. Good times all around.
by smgmatt on Oct 2, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
Pithy me, this whole time I thought it was called Sham sports because of the implications of proffesional sports beign a Sham, and not actually the person behind the blog is named Sham-something-I-assume-is-possibly-onna. Weird.
Okay, with that straightened out, back to a question. You say that he is “paid like a starter.” This is not the only time I’ve seen you use this expression. What do you mean by that? Specifically, what qualifies someone to be paid “as a starter” – clearly you view 6 million as the magic number. Why? Is it because it is 1/10th the salary cap? What counts as a “starter”? Mo Pete, Rafer Alston, Jerry Stackhouse, Drew Gooden, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, … are they overpaid/underpaid? If 6 million is a starter, how much is a superstar? What should a sixth-man-of-the-year get paid? What should a 15-minute-a-night guy earn? What are your thoughts on rookie contracts?
I’m not querying for any sort of Cisco reasons. I am curious as to what someone who spends so much time looking at salaries considers “NBA value” at the starter level. I’d love it if you do a blog post about it, though I’m guessing now your busy with the “previews,” but if you wouldn’t mind throwing out some thoughts, I’d appreciate it.
Finally, let me add my hat-tip to the hat-tippings for coming here and defending your point against what could be a bunch of people that want to be right and wouldn’t care for your opinion even though they’re all riled up about your opinion in the first place. What? Thank-you, come again.
Also, your site is ugly. I was going to link to the articles that used the “paid like a starter” term, but I can’t go to specific articles. Painful. It really sucks, because there is a ton of useful stuff on there that if more accessible I’m sure would garner more hits. Maybe make a pro… ok, I’m just going to stop myself there.
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by iashwash on Oct 24, 2008 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it’s not a drastic overpayment.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Sep 30, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
then my question would be, Is it better to slightly overpay and lock up a deal now or is it better to wait, negotiate tough and end up with a situation similar to Varejao’s last season or Gordon, Childress this season?
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