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Backcourt Minutes

The purported hardest thing to do in projecting player performance is projecting how many minutes everyone on a team will play. We'll do this step by step, starting with the guards and small fowards.

Why guards and small forwards? Do you see any of the Kings' power forwards stepping down a weight class? Perhaps Jason Thompson gets a spare moment with two 7-footers on the court, but I doubt it. No Shelden Williams on the wing, please.

POINT GUARD

Beno Udrih: 35 minutes per game. As a starter under Reggie Theus in 2007-08, Udrih averaged 35.2 minutes. In March, with Mike Bibby exiled, Udrih averaged 35.7 minutes. In November and December, with Bibby injured, Udrih averaged 35 minutes. With a decent back-up in place, I imagine Udrih will stay at this level of playing time.

Bobby Jackson: 10 minutes. Anthony Johnson averaged about 9.5 minutes per game as a back-up last season in Sacramento. Let's assume even less Quincy Douby at the point, which is to say no Quincy Douby at the point.

Bobby Brown: 2 minutes. I'm not expecting much from Theus here. I'd love to proven wrong, though.

Francisco Garcia/John Salmons: 1 minute. Last season, the top PGless lineup received 83 minutes on the season. We build this up to be much more than it is: Theus rarely goes without an orthodox point guard.

SHOOTING GUARD/SMALL FORWARD

(I'm not even going to try to parse Salmons or Garcia by position.)

Kevin Martin: 37 minutes. Martin played only 36 minutes a night on average last season. But in November, he played 40 minutes. After the injury, Theus kept him at about 34 minutes ... until March, when he played 37.5 minutes. The Kings won't be as short-handed as they were in early November 2007, so the 37-38 min plateau looks about right.

John Salmons: 35 minutes. Salmons averaged 38 minutes as a starter. I don't see it lasting in 08-09, despite Johnny's status as capo defender. I'll guess Salmons is the first cat to rest.

Francisco Garcia: 22 minutes. This is the biggest backcourt guess -- it could be anywhere from 21 to 30 minutes. It will probably fluctuate from, like, 17 to 40 on a night-to-night basis.

Quincy Douby/Donté Greene: 2 minutes. Thirty-point explosions against the Lakers aside, Theus doesn't seem too enamored of QD. Douby played 18 minutes a night in April, but that isn't the coda. Douby/Garcia pairings still make me sweat, but with an actual PG (Jackson) added, some of the luster disappears. GUNS BLAZING.

Greene needs some injuries or the makings of a 32-win team to get playing time. In all earnestness, we should see Greene get a five-minute spell every single night. But that's obviously not going to happen. More often than not, Greene will just rack up the DNP-CD ... if he doesn't land in Reno early.

 

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John Salmons - 18ppg - guaranteed

We have much young talent but the position allocation in our roster is bad. I’m happy with our SFs in the after-Ron era but with Moore and Miller down the paint (let alone Reef and K9) the development of Thompson/Green and maybe Hawes will be delayed for 1-2 years. That’s a pity.

The cleansing-rebuilding of a team is always an ugly period but watching the youngsters developing is always nice.

by ZenBaller on Sep 8, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your numbers look about right to me

Only change I could see, would be more minutes for Cisco at the expense of Salmons, just because of Reggies relationship with Garcia. But you mentioned that as a possibility. Interested to see what you make of the front court.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 8, 2008 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amick- "Cisco to become a RFA"

If Amick is correct and Reggie turns Cisco into a 20ppg 6rpg & 4 apg type player like Manu, they may price Cisco right out of the Kings market. Then Reggie might end up losing him to free agency. With the PG solidified he won’t see any more minutes there, and unless Douby show that he can’t score consistently at the SG, Cisco probably won’t see a lot of minutes there either.

Consistency hurt the Kings last year. Reggie needs to settle into a consistant rotation. Yes, there will be match up problems where adjustment have to be made, but those should be the exceptions. Asking Cisco to play the 1,2 & 3 wasn’t good for the team and it wasn’t good for him. He’s not a good enough ball handler to play the 1, and he’s not good enough at creating his own shoot for the 2. He is a good from beyond the 3 pt line especially in the corner, he’s a scrapper around the basket, and a good defender. So, give him 12 to 15 minutes as the 3, and stop trying to make him a jack of all trade and an expert at none.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no clue what you're trying to say in this post

Is it: Don’t play Cisco too much because he might develop too well and we’ll lose him to free agency? Or is it: Don’t play Cisco because he isn’t any good?

Really, no idea what you’re trying to say.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 9, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's saying he's not DC13 Jr like some (ahem Jerry Reynolds) have said

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see why you would be confused

Reading it back, I got confused.

Cisco is veratile, he’s not better than any of the starters at the 1,2,or 3 position. He’s probably second best at the 3, but I’d rank the depth chart at the 2 as Martin, Salmons, then a toss up between Douby and Cisco. One’s short one’s tall, ones quick ones slow, ones is better catch & shoot while the other is better off the dribble.

So, if Douby can give you the same 6 to 10 pts in 12 minutes that your going to get from Cisco if he plays behind Salmons & Martin. Your only inflating Cisco’s numbers and artifically increasing his value, while at the same time deflating Douby’s value when it comes time to trade him. He can put up numbers. Last April he dropped 32 on the Lakers.

I hope that clears it up

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 10, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much clearer
Personally, I think you're over estimating Douby's abilities and underestimating Cisco's, but I'll be very happy if Douby gets the opportunity to improve and takes advantage it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 10, 2008 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobbys' split time based on situation

Reggie made it clear( as clear as fog) that Jackson isn’t guarenteed his minutes. Brown has speed and is more of a true pg, better at penetrating and dishing, and there will be times when that’s more desireable. More so than the offense that BJax brings. So, depending on the need and the opponent, I can see Brown getting more minutes than BJax. Also, BJax is just an expiring contract and won’t be extended at the end of the season, so Reggie needs to know how Brown will be as the number 2 PG for next year.

Brown and BJax get 6 minutes each

This is the deciding year for Douby. Does he stay or does he go? He put up points and the end of last season and during Summer League. And, even if the Kings decide not to keep him, they may want to showcase him for a future trade (before the trade deadline). Cisco seems better at the 3 to me. Loves the corner 3’s, good rebounder and good defender when he can use the baseline to cut off the opponents drive to the rim. Greene’ only has one year of college experience, so I see him getting only garbage time.

Douby 1st off bench behind Martin with 10 minutes
Cisco 1st off bench behind Salmons with 12 minutes

One caveat, if Greene’ can somehow beat out Cisco for the backup SF, then Douby and Cisco share the backup SG minutes until Douby gets traded.

As long as I’m out on this limb, I see Shelden Williams getting a lot of minutes, at least during the Miller suspension, at both the PF & C positions. With the Hawks he had success at both positions, but may actually be better at the C. After Miller’s return I see Williams as !st backup to Moore or possibly beating out Moore for the starting PF spot. Since this is probably Moore’s last season with the Kings and maybe Millers’, Reggie needs to know is Hawes, JT & Williams will make up his core rotation at the 4/5 for the 09/10 season. Hopefully, they can, so that we can use our draft picks to solidify the 1 & 2 positions.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 8, 2008 3:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you watch basketball?

Neither Douby or Williams has a chance of playing significant minutes, they aren’t in the future and they have no trade value. They may get minutes late in the season or in scrub time (which may be pretty often).

Oh, and Greene isn’t going to beat out Garcia for the back-up swing position. The limb you climbed out on seems to be more like a leaf, possibly an acorn or pine cone.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Sep 8, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe your right

But I did make an effort to explain what my thinking was. You on the other hand seem to be basing your opinion on the fact that I don’ watch basketball.

Your so sure that Douby & Williams have no future, while at the same time feel Greene’ can’t beat out Garcia who by most opinions is a 6th man and not a starter. So, does that mean that Greene’ has no future with the Kings.

Garcia averaged 22 mpg and 11ppg as a backup. With the PG position stablized those minutes are gone. If Douby can give instant scoring off the bench like BJax did in his prime than Douby gets time at the SG, and that means more minutes lost to Garcia. If Douby can’t get into the game then Cisco’s minutes stay in the 20’s and, your right & I’m wrong.

I guess only time will tell.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are two competing points about Douby involved:

1. Theus really doesn’t seem to like Douby. He had to be forced to play him. Even then, the minutes came sparingly until April.

2. Theus loves scorers, and Douby might someday be able to score in short minutes.

I don’t think he gets a break without injuries. He’ll get some chances some nights when both Martin and Salmons take a breather, but on some nights I could see Theus going with a shorter, three-man rotation at the wing positions (like his three-man frontcourt rotation).

We’ll get to Shelden later today, but I imagine it’s much the same.

by Ziller on Sep 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's safe to say Douby and Williams have outside shots to make an impact on this roster this season

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance in hell

that Cisco get only 12 mins a game. Hell, he might have gotten more than that as a rookie prior to getting hurt. And even less of a chance that Douby gets so many as 10 min. Seriously, how can a person have watched this team over the past couple of years and think that Garcia will play so little and Douby so much? A coach’s rotation is based on player performance not on “show casing” for a trade that might or might not happen for a player of minimal worth Douby. ( I might allow an exception in the case of a bigger name player, for example, Mike Bibby last year when he started over Beno despite not being as an effective PG.)

TZ was spot on regarding Cisco and Douby’s minutes.

by Kusian on Sep 8, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where did Cisco's minutes come from?

Cisco played in 79 games and started 20. Was that because he was so much better than everyone else? Has everyone forgotten the good Cisco bad Cisco from last year, or were those comments by Jerry Reynolds from last years play by play all in my imagination. It was because of injuries, the lack of a PG, and Reggie’s decision to play Artest at the 4.

The PG position is filled, so he loses minutes there. Salmons won;t be playing the 4 anytime, so Cisco loses minutes there. And, if Douby can score at the 2, Cisco loses minute there also. And, with Martin now the offensive star his minute should go up slightly, so Cisco loses minutes there. And, lastly Greene’ will see some minutes, so again Cisco loses.

Now, if Reggie has actually given up on Douby and only played him at the end of last season because the bosses told him to. Then Cisco’s number increase to around 22, the same as he had as a backup last year.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 9, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Reggie hasn't given up on Douby

Then he should.

I’d much rather see Garcia backing up Martin AND Salmons, racking up lots of minutes, than see Douby on the floor at any point while the outcome of the game is still being decided.

All Douby has shown so far is that he can light it up against NBA hopefuls in Summer League. And that he can’t dribble or pass.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 9, 2008 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes the Douby experiment is over

The days of trying to turn Douby into a combo guard are over. And, because of his size, his future as a SG with the Kings will be short lived. Probably, before the trade deadline if the kings can work out a deal for him and Moore for an expiring backup SG.

But, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t a better SG than Cisco. Douby is better defensively. He’s quicker and stays in from off his man, where Garcia is slower and gambles too much. Garcia gets his steal by playing the passing lanes, but his gambling means the rest of the team needs to cover for him when he gambles and loses. Doubly gets his steals from quickness and long arms.

But we’re talking Scoring Guard, Garcia has the better shot, but Douby is better at creating his shot off the dribble while Garcia is more of a catch an shoot guy especially beyond the 3 point line. On a drive to the basket Douby is more likely to get to the rim because of is quickness, or at least pull up for a short jumper. Garcia is more likely to get called for a charge and his ball handling and passing skills are only average..

A lot of people equate Garcia’s versatility with great skill. I don’t. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case we’ll all find out in 2 months or so. And, although I agree about Douby’s future at the SG, I also believe that Cisco is not the backup SG of the future.

I do perfer seeing Cisco come off the bench for Salmons, before Dougy goes in for Martin. I do think that Douby’s guard skills make him a better fit at the SG than Cisco. It’s just my opinion, so don’t hate me. I said I could be wrong. But at least I tried to give reasons why I’m thinking that way.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 9, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate you?

Never. Unless you say something rude about my mother. And even then, if she asked for it…

But I’m (obviously) not a fan of QD. I think he joins Kenny Thomas and possibly Shelden Williams as a waste of roster space. He’s a streaky shooter who can’t dribble or distribute and is too small to guard most 2s in the league. He’s not particularly good at any one thing, though he is decent at guarding point guards. I’d just rather have the roster spot filled by someone who might be weak in some areas but really strong in others.

A great shooter who plays inconsistent defense.

A great defender at his position who can get to the hole but has no outside shot.

That kind of thing. QD’s had two years, two head coaches, and three summer leagues to show what he can do. By this point he should be showing promise of…..something.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 9, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to drum up Artest yet again

But one thing Artest’s presence did do was convolute the conversation of where Garcia and Salmons fit into this team long term and particularly at what position do they play since so many players on this team really only have one position. (I feel that’s less important with multi-positional players like Doug Christie on the roster.) That being said this is probably the biggest issue facing Reggie Theus bar none, and how he handles it is probably the biggest thing that will determine his future in the EC.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 8, 2008 6:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Less for Salmons, more for Garcia

I say Salmons gets about 32 a game, with the rest going to Garcia. I agree with the others, though I think there’s a possibility that Bobby Jackson ends up in Reggie’s doghouse due to petulance and/or jealousy on Reggie’s part, giving Brown the backup minutes.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 8, 2008 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I love Jackson, I’d be thrilled to see more Brown. He’s young and dynamic, while Jackson’s on the downside. It’s a no-brainer.

But Jackson will make less mistakes, and provides some stability on the floor when you’re likely to have guys like Garcia, Thompson and Hawes out there. Mixing in a veteran with a green line-up isn’t a bad idea.

I think Theus’ stubbornness with youth will override any petulance over Jackson’s popularity and leadership.

by Ziller on Sep 9, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure make me get out my dictionary

Is that like the petulant man from the Indiana Jones movies.

Reggie is looking for fewer turnovers and more rebounds. So, if Brown starts turning the ball over, then I agree with you. Reggie will go with the veteran, just like in the past.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 9, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get used to it

I bust out my dictionary often around these parts.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you're just being obtuse

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by section214 on Sep 9, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least you got my drift

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Theus’ stubbornness with youth will override any petulance over Jackson’s popularity and leadership.

That’s an excellent point.

I agree that Brown playing over Jackson is better for the team in the long term. That being said, Jackson is the one vet I won’t get mad at Theus for playing this year, just because Bobby J is so fun to watch.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 10, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I buy Greene racking up the DNPs

Look at their height.

Greene 6’ 10"
Garcia 6’7"
K-Mart 6’7"
Salmons 6’6"
Douby 6’’3"

Your true SF is Greene, based on height alone. Clearly your true 2 is Speed. While Garcia and Salmons can defend the 2, neither of them is an especially effective outside shooter. Garcia has his stretches, but he’s never shown a true shooter’s consistency. Douby is way too small to effectively guard a 3 and often struggles to guard bigger twos..

What I see happening is Greene getting some minutes at the 2/3 when K-Mart takes a rest or when we need to spread the floor. Greene can shoot it from the outside like a 2, but he is big enough to rebound and guard a 3. You could have Green playing 2 on offense and 3 on defense when paired with Garcia/Salmons or pair him with Speed when teams are playing a zone D.

Not saying I think Greene will get much more than 5 minutes a game, but I definitely see him getting more than Douby whose offense has not been consistent enough to offset the fact that he is too small on defense. Not to mention that Greene averaged over 7 rebounds a game in college. We could definitely use that.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Sep 9, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see that. But the narrative from ARCO has been that Greene “won’t help immediately, but he’s a nice chip for down the road a couple years.” All the surrogates for the team have been pounding that point since news of the trade (Napear, Reynolds, Koz).

I do think Greene is (in theory) a great match for Martin and Hawes. Hawes should be an average rebounder for PF, Thompson the same … Martin is above-average but might slip a tick with more scoring duties. We need that SF to be a well above-average rebounder (or Thompson to be a better rebounder than Hawes, despite less size) for the position. Greene’s the only guy on the roster who can be that.

by Ziller on Sep 9, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for passing along the buzz

That’s one thing about living out of state. Other than the Bee articles, you don’t hear much news in the off season.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Sep 9, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can listen to the radio shows

1140 has a website you can listen to, but unless you wanna wade through it, and I don’t particularly, then it’s not really worth it. Most of the time Grant and Mike are talking about the NFL this time of year anyway.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or you can stick your head next to a jet engine

Because listening to Peaches Napear is a lot like that.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 10, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a nasty thing to say...

…about jet engines.

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by section214 on Sep 10, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes because they're the lone inanimate object to have hurt feelings over these type of things

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 10, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

I apologize to:

  • Jet engines
  • Fire alarms
  • Screaming babies
  • Sirens
  • Lawn mowers
  • Rupe the Hoop
  • Andy Dick
    For insinuating that they are anywhere near as annoying as Peaches.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Sep 11, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot

Al Gore

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 12, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al is a martyr

Be quiet!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think Al invented martyr, and I think he designed The Bridge to Nowhere. Of course that could just be my inner Karl Rove talking.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Sep 14, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

This is where I leave my Karl Rove ritual suicide jokes home. Crap!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 14, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only.

I believe you can only be a martyr if you’re actually dead, not just look like you are.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 16, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhhhhh if I wanted reality I'd listen to George W Bush's daily news briefings!

Or, something. Or, yes.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Sep 16, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

6'11" & 225 at the 2 ?

I think Ziller is correct & Greene’ needs another year or two. He does have an offense but his defense needs help. I imagine most SG in the league would be licking their chops thinking about someone that big trying to defend them. And, I can’t see him getting many rebounds shoot out past the 3 point line and then having to get back on defense to stop the ball.

I see Greene maybe moving between PF & SF in a couple of years after he’s had time to add 25lbs in the weight room. Until his defense improves & he learns to use his left hand, Garcia’s minutes are safe. If Douby is restricted to the bench ( & I’m still not buying that completely), my preferrence would be to see Salmons move over from the 3 to backup Martin, & Cisco staying at the 3. To me, Cisco is more of a 3 than a 2. And, Salmon is much better at creating his own shot & driving to the basket, where Cisco is a much better catch & shoot player especially in the corner past the 3 point line.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 9, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said he'd play offense at the 2 and defense at the 3

Garcia and Salmons can defend the 2. Greene can defend the 3. Why would you want Salmons playing the 2? He is a drive to the basket guy.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Sep 9, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Driving to the basket is not a bad thing

Opponents fear of your ability to drive to the basket is what gives you the spacing to get off your jump shot. Kobe, Wade, and a guy named Jordan did well with that skill.

If you check of Kings web site you’ll see that Salmons is listed as a guard first and a forward second. And, the ability to shoot or drive is why he has a shooting percentage of .480. Yes, his three point shooting isn’t the best at .333. But, as you pointed out he can also defend the 2.

Garcia is listed as a forward first and a guard second. Garcia shoots .450 average and .390 from the 3 where he gets most of his points. He’s a catch and shoot player, too slow & not a good enough defender to cover the 2. Because he’s not a guy that can put the ball on the floor and drive past a good defender, they can play him close and contest his jump shot.

Now to Greene’, he put up over 260 3’s last year. 50% of his shots were 3’s and he only shot .345 from the 3 and .420 over all. So, his production, if the same and the other were the same of course, would be worst the both Cisco & John, and his 3’s would only be percentage points better the John. And, coming from a system that only played zone, I’m guessing his defense would be worse also.

Your overall idea of getting Greene’ minutes at the 3 is ok, but I’d do it another way. Assuming, Douby is out of the equation, I could see Martin & Salmons starting. Salmons comes out before Martin for a rest and Garcia replaces him. When Martin is ready to come out Salmon comes for Martin & Cisco stays at the 3. Martin gets 35mpg at the 2, Salmon get 20mpg at the 3 and 13mpg at the 2, and Garcia gets 18 mpg at the 3. Greene’ gets his minutes when either any of the 3 get into foul trouble and when Cisco & Salmon both need a rest at the same time. Also, if Kevin is hot and ends up playing extended minutes, they could keep Salmons on the bench waiting to replace Martin, and get Cisco a breather by bringing in Greene’.

I don’t like players play out of position and certainly not a rookie. Until the Kings acquire a legitamate backup a SG which will probably be at the trade deadline or in next years draft, Greene’ will probably have to wait for playing time. I can see him passing up both Garcia & Solmons, and making one or both expendable in 10/11 when we lose Miller & K9. Now, there is a blockbuster trade deal. Someone should start a thread.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Sep 10, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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