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…I’m just trying to be Kenny Natt," he said. “And my way of doing it is asking you to do a certain thing, and if you don’t do it, then I’m going to be me. I’ll bring another guy in.”

Tell ‘em what you expect of them, and if they don’t do it, hold them accountable. I like it!

I also liked this:

Swingman John Salmons has championed Brown’s raw talent since training camp and said he has the potential to be among the league’s best defensive point guards.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 1, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bobby

needs more minutes. He’s defense is great, and the team need this.

by Matenja on Jan 1, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just as long as we play Beno enough to keep his trade value up

I think there is a very, very good chance we will draft a top point guard. When that happens, I definitely want to be able to trade Beno and keep Brown. If, somehow we don’t draft a PG, I would have no problem at all with having BB earn the starting spot.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jan 1, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

exactly

that must be the plan.

by Matenja on Jan 1, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The strange thing is

What if the KIngs found a way to trade Beno to the Hawks for just cap room. That would be a scary deja vu wouldn’t it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 1, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good

But I think Petrie is going to draft the best player available. If a PG is available who is roughly equal to the other guys, Petrie will draft him. But I wouldn’t count on it.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Jan 1, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i really

don’t see another team wanting to take on beno’s contract. i think we may have our long-term back up PG whether we like it or not. i can see him being a good (somewhat overpayed) backup for us. unfortunately, i think Bobby B’s energy makes him a better backup off the bench….but I see us losing him at season’s end when Petrie is not willing to pay good money for two backups. A Beno trade would be great for us, as long as a point guard is drafted.

by thisismellow on Jan 1, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My take on Beno

I was very supportive in signing Beno back last year though I did think the price tag was a little high and 5 years was a little too much. With that said I wasn’t complaining too much about him staying because we needed a point guard and I loved what he did for us last year. I still want to give him more time to see what he can do once we are finally healthy (especially Kevin) and judge then. As I’ve said many times, him (or any other player really) being with the Kings this year doesn’t really matter because we are not going anywhere but to the lottery so what’s the big deal with him running the point and seeing if we can do better or showing he truly doesn’t fit?

For a bit I thought that he could be part of the future and in a way I still think he is (unless we are able to trade him). The more I think about it is more likely that we draft a PG this year (09’ now) for the future. Beno is going to have 4 more years in his contract after this year. Let’s say we draft a point guard like Rubio, or Jennings, or really whoever. I don’t think this point guard will be ready to run the team in his first year because of either not enough experience or getting use to the NBA or the move from overseas or any other reason, so Beno acts as a serviciable PG for another year. Year 3 of Beno’s contract is when this draftee PG is almost ready to take the reigns. Even then, a second year point guard may still be unable to make right decisions all the time so instead of him starting we could just have a PG by committee with him and Beno running the show. Year 4 and 5 of Beno’s contract is when he moves to the backup role and some teams may be willing to trade for him because of only 2 more years left on the contract of a player that isn’t really grossly overpaid. Now I know that this situation has a lot of what ifs, and is not necessarily gonna play out that way. I’m just looking at it from a positive view.

One more thing I haven’t talked about though: enter Bobby Brown. The guy looks like a good backup right now and we’ll see how much he improves until the end of the year and next year (if he doesn’t opt out and go somewhere else). I like what he brings to the table with his defense and 3 point shooting but I’m still not convinced of how much he can help. Depending on what happens with this team and the PG situation he could possibly be a nice add in to a trade that could net us a good player or draft picks. I’m not advocating for him to be traded at all, I actually hope he sticks around. I’m just trying to look at how this situation would work considering Beno is harder to trade right now, but not necessarily that hard, down the road.

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 1, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Clips were very interested in Beno

If only they could figure out a way to unload Baron Davis.

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by section214 on Jan 1, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beno got paid, now all of a sudden he cant defend or pass...

Is he still recovering from injury? Something is wrong, because this isn’t the player we saw last year hustling and moving without the ball. Seems like he is out on the court playing not to get hurt. All I know is you can see by his body language that he isn’t very concerned about losing. When he turns the ball over, watch his body language. He almost seems like he doesn’t care if he turns the ball, like it doesn’t matter to him. I could be wrong, but IMHO he isn’t playing his hardest and does not have any fire in him to win. Bobby Brown is playing very well for a rookie, and hopefully can replace Beno shortly. This all goes back to what I said at the beginning of the season regarding Petrie’s free agent record versus his draft record. Petrie has an eye for talent, and his draft picks have been very good. But for some reason, Petrie does not have an eye for free agent talent. His free agent finds have not done very well. Some of the mistakes that come to mind: Keon Clark, SAR, Beno, Moore, Kenny Thomas to just name a few. We seem to be stagnant talent wise. There just have been no home runs hit by our GM. It is depressing how mediocre the moves our GM has made. What is the GM going to do to get this team out of the depressing hole they are in now? The Kings have only one very good player, no players that can be considered for the AllStar team (I saw the ballet, no Kings on it…) and some nice looking young players that may or may not pan out. Just what is the plan? I know that Geoff Petrie likes to play his cards close to his vest, but is that because he is shrewd, or is he hiding a bad hand..

by FaStRmAn on Jan 1, 2009 11:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Beno was playing for his career last season, Bibby was playing with no enthusiasm and their minutes were split. Now that Beno has his guaranteed payday for 5 years, he can just go through the motions.

by CloudyEyes on Jan 1, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Keon Clark was a mistake?

SAR? Beno is a mistake after 2 months of the season? Kenny Thomas was signed to a FA contract? (Was in Webber deal FaSt) Cmon now, say he hasn’t gotten the most ouf of the talent he’s acquired, but some of that is luck, and he doesn’t have any control over that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno

His career assist to turnover rate is 1.91. Last season for the Kings it was 1.91. So far this season it’s at 1.83.
His career assist average per 40 minutes is 5.56. Last season it was 5.42. So far this season it’s at 6.27.

These stats show that his passing skills are not getting worse. He is actually dishing out more assists per 40 minutes a game even though this season has been terrible. The turnovers are up a bit but that seems to be because he is not taking as many shots per game. He is shooting one shot less a game than last year. I don’t really think he is doing much worse this year than last but because we (me included) were hoping he would be improving, it seems like he is doing worse than he is.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jan 2, 2009 12:56 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff

also include shooting percentage is about the same: .463 last year, .469 this year. Other than his poor 3pt shooting this season, his stats are very similar to last season’s.

Thanks for giving us a bit of perspective.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 2, 2009 4:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said Brooklyn

And definitely rec’d.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take into account as well

Two coaches, plus how many different offensive looks Theus was trying to install in his “offense” AND Beno’s lack of experience. It amazes me that in this situation, most everyone is ready to give up on Beno.

The turnovers, the poor shooting from 3 – I think those can be corrected and may be somewhat attributable to the above. What I don’t like is the lack of leadership he’s shown (a necessity for that position IMO), and the fingerpointing. You’d prefer for your point guard to treat the offense like it’s his baby, take possession of it and be a firm leader on the court without worrying about absolving yourself of blame.

In my opinion, that issue is way more important than the stuff I think is more easily fixable.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 2, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What isn't his fixable

is his lack of athleticism and speed, which hurts him on the defensive end.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 2, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But we have a recent history of that in this franchise, even with teams that have won 60 games, right?

Generally, we need a good defensive 2 to help with the perimeter defense as well as a decent defensive rotation scheme. Those items are not really in place at this point either.

Point being, Beno is not the only defensive liability on this roster…small forward’s about the only position that’s been halfway decent this season.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 2, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the issue

is that he is not really improving, and the Kings signed him for what he would become, not what he had been.

Part of this is the chicken and the egg thing – is Beno lagging because of the talent around him or is the talent around him lacking because of Beno? Perhaps it’s a little of both. Regardless, the Kings cannot deal with the current level of “productivity” from their starting PG for the next five years.

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by section214 on Jan 2, 2009 7:58 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Totally agree with that..

No way the Kings can live with the current production they are getting from their starting PG for the next 5 years. Can’t see the Kings drafting anything but a PG in the draft. And the way this season is heading, the Kings should get a top 5 draft pick to help bring in that PG of the future. Problem is with the current roster, there are going to be a lot of losses between now and when a new PG can really contribute to the cause. The Arena is already pretty empty. They may start rounding up the homeless and housing them for a coupla hours just to fill out the stands soon. But hey, even the homeless might not want to stay and watch the garbage that the Kings have been shoveling onto the court lately…. Pretty sad people turn down free tickets to the Kings games when before they were a premium. I guess it’s just a sign of the times..

by FaStRmAn on Jan 2, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too many bandwagon fans is what it is (turning down tix)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Very aptly put.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Jan 2, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Said

Even though it’s true that Beno is not statistically doing much worse on a worse team this year than he did last year, what he is doing is not good enough moving forward. And being on a bad team is no excuse for a 1.83 assist to turnover rate and 6.27 assist per game rate. Look at Earl Watson on Oklahoma CIty for comparison. his A/T rate is 2.51 and assists per 40 minutes is at 9.22. Is Earl Watson better than Beno? Well, Earl scores about 6 less points a game and takes 4 less shots. Also, if you look at Earl’s turnovers per 40 minutes, he is worse than Beno: 3.7 vs. 3.43. Bottom line is that while Beno is not playing bad for him, he is not playing at the level we need out of him moving forward.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jan 2, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers Numbers Numbers

Stop looking at numbers and look at the games. Once Beno brings the ball across half court and passes it to Brad, the odds of him ever seeing the ball again is 1 in 10. Brad is our PG not Beno, and all of our wings get most of their shots off the dribble. Even if their wide open they don’t catch and shoot.

If we had a big that could run a decent pick & roll, we could run some with Beno. But, Brad cant finish and Moore can’t catch or finish, the rookies are still learning. So, what do you want Beno to do, run off some picks and take some jumpers just like Bibby. Maybe he could drive to the rim, which no one else can do because the defense is stack in the paint just waiting.

Everyone talks about getting a Pure PG, one that can dish and make the players around him better. Well, Beno can hand the ball to most of these guys on a silver plater and their not getting better. Mostly they’ll be lucky to get up a bad shot if any at all. Millers never in the paint and is only going to take a jump shot, Moore & JT don’t know what to do with it unless their wide open for a dunk, Salmon and BJax are going to dribble around until they feel like shooting, and even Cisco doesn’t always catch & shot even when he’s open.

This isn’t last years team, it’s worse. This isn’t last years coach or offense. Until the rest of the team shows that they know what their doing, I’ll cut Beno some slack.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 4, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that

There’s something wrong with Beno, and some of if it is the surrounding talent with how he plays. I’m convinced he’ll always be more effective in an isolation system like the Kings ran last seasonl, and thus, I think he’s an awful fit. (One reason I think he would work in Memphis also.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 4, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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