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This quote by Kevin really irritated me
We won’t come out there like that again," he said. "I’m going to play hard, and it’s going to start with me. And if other guys aren’t playing hard, coach (Kenny) Natt is going to see that – including myself. It’s time to start making people accountable, because that was just an embarrassment tonight.

We won’t come out there like that again? Oh really now? Shut the fuck up Kevin. Take it like a man. Stop being a punk. All I got to say about this.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What?

How is he being a punk by promising the team will have better effort?

by Ziller on Jan 14, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because he is a leader (or wants/wanted to be)

That isn’t a comment that speaks to someone who has leadership. Sorry.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 7:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Being embarrassed about a historically bad defensive performance (which is on him too) is a sign of bad leadership? You expect him to come and say, “Whatever, they hit a lot of threes?”

by Ziller on Jan 14, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

It was the quote, and the way it was said that bothered me. No more, no less. The punk sentiment was probably the wrong way to say how I felt, even though it’s how I do feel more or less.

This team has been historically awful all year long. Saying we won’t do this again smacks of self service in a sense. It’s why it resonates poorly. I would have preferred " We got smacked around, looked bad, and need to find answers." The end.

That being said, what Andy said below is equally true as well. There is a lot of blame, and it starts at the top with the Family and Petrie. I’m not sure Kevin Martin deserves any more than a very small % for his defensive performance. Of course, that’s true of his teammates, and his offensive performance was better than theirs. At some point, leadership is responsible, fair or not. Is Kevin Martin a leader? That quote didn’t smack of a guy who quite understands what leadership is. Now it’s time to delay writing a 5 page paper for English by doing something else.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My problem

Is I swear I’ve heard this before (not necessarily from Kevin) – probably after the last 30 point home loss. But there’s nothing Kevin said I disagree with.

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by otis29 on Jan 14, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have the same problem

Martin’s pissed (that’s good) and said that they need to play hard (that’s good) and that it starts with him (that’s good). Perhaps I am interpreting this a little too simplisticly, but after sitting through the entire game at ARCO last night, I’m pleased that our best player is as at leasr as unhappy about last evening as I am.

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pook has never played on a sports team

and doesn’t understand. No offense – really!

Its not an intellectual exercise or debate out there on the floor. Its about attitude, fire, pride…

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've played on plenty of sports teams

and it has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of my opinion. Sports are about having better players and playing better. What you are referring to is one aspect of sports.

The reason sports are interesting is because there are so many different human elements. Your focus on one of many elements betrays a lack of maturity on the subject.

If it were as easy as you let on, we’d all be rich picking the “fieriest” guys to win all the time with our bookies.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point

(and thanks for taking it personally and insulting me)

Is that it takes MORE than talent. If talent was everything the Yankees would win every year, yet lesser, hungrier teams constantly beat them , year after year – and thier ’we’re professionals’ attitude.

I’m focusing on one element because I happen to think its the element we lack the most of right now.

Of course you need good talent. But lessor talent can and will usually compete well if they have hunger and fire – and often win.

How do you explain the lack of determination and grit on this team? Is that about a good shooting percentage?

Defense is about effort and focus and desire. It takes an attitude, a quality to Want it more. This team lacks that in every key position. There’s plenty of talent to at least compete well.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Garnett is generally accepted to be the fieiriest, most competitive, guy who gets the most out of his teammates guy in the NBA right? He went 10+ years of not getting anything appreciable done before last year, especially given what a great player he is.

I would explain our bad defense by, drumroll……having bad defenders!

Udrih – bad
Martin – could be decent, hasn’t been so far this year
Salmons – average to above average
JT – someday maybe, right now he is a bad defender
Miller – bad defender

Garcia – at times is pretty good, at times not so much
Hawes – pretty average right now I think, this is huge strides for him, which we should applaud
Mikki – below average

Our guys either:

do not have the physical tools to be good defenders (the veterans)
are too young and need to learn (JT, Hawes)
need to make defense a priority (Martin)

The only way our defense gets better is if our young guys learn and then display the fire you want, Kevin decides it matters to him and we either get a defensive PG or the rest of the team can then cover up Beno because you have 3-4 good defenders on the floor any given time rather than maybe 1.

I agree it would be good while adding more good players some of them are the outgoing personality you want. But the key is adding more good players and developing what we have.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 14, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

7 straight playoff trips in Minnie

including one Western Conf Final

all with much lessor players around him then the Kings had in the same period.

Yet: He’s not a great rebounder, he doesn’t really play under the basket and not heavy enough to really do so,he’s usually not been the highest scorer on his teams.

He’s WILLED lessor players to succeed over thier heads by Wanting It More. Its ‘contagious’ with a guy like that around. His game is much more about Effort and Desire than it is about pure talent. (though he is talented of course)

Now, I’m not saying that we can find an emotional leader like him laying around – but we need a reasonable facsimile..

The starters around him included at different points of the season in 2003-2004: Sam Cassell, Trent Hassell, Olowokanki/E. Johnson and L Sprewell.

Not exactly a Hall of fame line there.

But he and Cassell especially were emotional ‘we going to kick them in the neck!’ kind of guys. A line-up that overcame its lack of talent with Desire.

Those kind of guys don’t let a close game get away.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Finally - look at all the best defenders in the league

They are – almost without exception

‘Attitude Guys’

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

8 straight trips to the playoffs for Minny (but only the last 1 did they ever get out of the 1st round)

But who counts?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I lived the KG experience in MN

You know what they said about him? He’s not a clutch player because he doesn’t score in the 4th quarter.

Bosten is a great example, because their three main guys are so different. KG is fiery, Paul Pierce controls the 4th quarter and Ray Allen is quiet, but a great shooter.

In fact, we Kings fans don’t have to go back too far to remember Ray Allen absolutely destroying us in a playoff series. Do you remember that series? I do, and it was a pleasure being destroyed by a great player that is the farthest thing from demonstrative.

You can’t tell me Ray Allen doesn’t have desire or it doesn’t rub off on his teammates. You can’t tell me Hakeem Olajuwon wasn’t a great defender and great competitor even though he didn’t run his mouth like KG. There are lots of ways to succeed, frankly as many ways as there are successes.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 15, 2009 6:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ray ain't talking shit through the media these days

He is plenty mouthy when he’s not happy, as he was often in Em City.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Offense can be clinical, cool

defense can be too sometimes – but not the dominating, back in your face D that tips games.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When JJ Redick's eyes light up

when he sees you defending the cup and takes it right at you, you need to shut up and learn to play defense.

“Efficient” scorer, worthless, piss-pore defender is not a legacy that is going to take us far.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 14, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between Man & Team defense.

To me your discription seems to be for man defense. The determination not to let your man score or even move the ball or even catch the ball.

What the Kings showed last night was a lack of Team defense. People not knowing their assignments. Continueally, leaving their man when it wasn’t their job. And, then not getting back. This isn’t just effort or talent, it’s IQ.

Now, based on what Rex had to say after half time, the coaching staff had a totally different defensive game plan. But, some or most of the players we’re following the plan. Maybe we just need smarter players.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 14, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

Somebody did a good job at man to man D last night at some point I didn’t notice?

The point I’m trying to make is that defense is effort and attitude, and there is always a player or two on a good defensive team who lead in this area – and its contagious.

Lastly, that most good defensive players share some personalty traits, a bit of nastiness (at least on the court) that this roster lacks.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree on your discription of good defenders

if there were one or two good defensive players, contagion wouldn’t have helped because two or more players were blowing their assignments.

There have been teams without the best defensive players who had good defense because they followed their assignments and played good Team Defense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know I've never played on a sports team?

And, at what point does that matter, as For Three has pointed out?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Irritated

I agree pookey, the quote you posted irritates me.

If you say “We won’t come out there like that again”, and immediately follow that with “I’m going to play hard”, I interpret that as saying that you haven’t been playing hard.

I don’t think it upsets me like it seems to have upset you. I like that he’s at least acknowledging that something needs to change.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jan 14, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with your last statement

I wonder what he’s going to do moving forward to see that it does change. That’s really the ultimate forward point of all this.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's quite a telling quote, really.

For contrast, look at the Tim Tebow quote after Florida lost to Ole Miss. He took ALL the responsibility on himself. He didn’t say HE was going to try harder, he promised that you would never see a TEAM try as hard and care as much as his team. That’s what a leader says. For Martin to come out and say what he said pays lip service to leadership without actually showing any. I think, for Martin, he understands what leadership is, but is not a natural leader.

For me, what this quote actually says is, “I’m going to try harder, but not hard enough that my effort level is out of question.” THAT is why he references coach Natt getting people in line, because he himself doesn’t feel confident enough in himself to get other people in line. Is this Kevin’s fault? No, I don’t think you can place all the blame on him. He’s been put into a leadership position, for better or for worse, because he’s supposedly the best player on a bad team. That said, I do not think he is the long. term solution the Kings need in on-court leadership

by bartenpa on Jan 14, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He has to rely on Natt to handle it

With the poor defense that Martin shows game after game, there’s no one on the team that will take any criticism from him. He knows this, so the only thing that he can do is to promise to improve himself. And, hopefully, others will follow suit. This is as close to being a leader as he can be at this time.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how is

that being a punk?

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry but...

Nothing in this quote by Kevin is in any way whining or lacking of leadership. Perhaps you are just irritated with the team as we all are. Historically bad defensive efforts usually account for Historically bad quotes from the players in the aftergame interviews. Not much Martin can say about that mound of garbage the Kings shoveled onto the court last night other than “We will make a better effort”. The Statement " We are a JOKE right now is 100% Accurate. And it really has little to do with Martin. Miller, Moore, Beno, Salmons have their parts, but really Martin has been fairly consistent. My 8 year old can see that Miller is mailing it in internationally parcel post. He must know that he is the focal point of all the fans ire. I truly believe that the Refs in this league HATE Brad for some reason, because he NEVER gets a call. Whatever it is, we need to be rid of Miller in the worst way. He is no longer an NBA Quality player. Watch his defense and you will see why. Sad part is that his offense has gone south fast. Beno is a scrub. Popavich was totally right about Beno, now we are stuck with him. He was barely good for a 1 year deal, and we gave him 5. CRAP!

by FaStRmAn on Jan 14, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It was annoying.

by Mikey G on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone's still a badass

I’d kind of like to know why Kevin didn’t catch bin Laden last night, either. I’m sure if he’d have suspended Habeus Corpus, he could have personally held Orlando under 45% from three-point land.

Yes, this is entirely an non-sequitur. Also, this just in: Bad team destroyed by elite team.

Must…place…blame…

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by andy sims on Jan 14, 2009 7:52 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Learning to be a professional

I would have been equally disappointed if the Kings lacked the sportsmanship to know when to stop shooting three pointers. Probably more embarrassed.

As far as Kevin’s quote: Speed has never led the team, nor has he ever been eloquent. Unfortunately, best scorer often equals expected leader. So now Kevin has to experience the growing pains of becoming a professional leader, i.e. learning how to live up to his coach’s expectations, how to get the most out of his teammates, both of which require him to learn how to express his frustrations respectfully but accurately.

It’s no easy task. It’s hard enough to do in the privacy of our everyday lives, let alone with a gang of reporters trolling your locker room for a vulnerable soul frustrated that he is not fulfilling his professional expectations. Trolls who never give mulligans.

by BrooklynFan on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There is saying less is more

The more Kevin said, the more I became irritated by the quote. But everything you say is true as well Brooklyn.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how upset we can get

This team is in transition, and I think Natt is an awful coach. So you’ve got an awful coach, and a lame-duck coach at that, with a roster that’s destined to be vastly different in the next few years.

30 point home losses are teh suck, but this is the boat we find ourselves in. There are still plenty of reasons to be optimistic, the least of which is Petrie is going to have his first chance in a number of years to put his roster together without having his hands tied by the salary cap.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 14, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

What he said was entirely true. That being that the Kings are a joke right now.

Now if he wants to pretend he is some sort of messiah and take some responsibility, then all I can hope for is that he is a man of his word. Now he needs to understand that he is not some sort of miracle worker. But he also can’t trust his teammates, so I can see where he is coming from.

Honestly, I’m surprised he said anything.

by VenomySnicket on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well at least Kevin sees the obvious

you’d have thought he’d have figured it out after New York.

Pick the adjective, my top 5 are: terrible, horrendous, unprofessional, pathetic, embarrassing

I don’t even know what else to say honestly. If this is truly the bottom and we see legitimate performances the rest of the season, I’ll be a happy guy with the team (even if there’s a bunch of losses). Its on Kevin to make that happen (among others, but mainly on him).

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 14, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Sorry--Kevin is not a leader

Leaders are born, not made! Kevin, you can’t become a leader just because the thought crossed your mind. You can’t become the leader because someone told you to step up. A true leader INHERITS the position because of his skills, his temperment, his demeanor, and way he competes. A good leader shows no fear and radiates confidence. In basketball, the leader is on top on all phases of his game and excels at crunch time —others recognize it and become followers.

by aspen on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeees

Though I think some Are made. But they have to have some/most of personality tools already to develop the whole package. He doesn’t have enough of them. Its not his fault, I love him on my team, he’s great, we just need a differnt starter to be the emotional leader.

I’ll take him as my scoring leader any day….

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The whole 'cool professional' attitude

that KM, Salmons and others radiate is NOT conducive to leading a team.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah -

It’s never worked for Tim Duncan (for example)…

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great - there are occasional exceptions

There always are.

If you look above I stated almost without exception

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but you did not name one

Just tryin’ to help.

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not necessarily all true

For example, KG, at least until last year, had been labeled as non-clutch, or liable to make mistakes in crunch-time, yet he is undeniably a great leader. I think leadership is really more about what you said first, radiating confidence, not showing fear and making full effort than it is about actual on-court performance.

by bartenpa on Jan 14, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

That’s why I agree with Pookey. There was something annoying about his quote. Mainly, that it included elements of what a leader is supposed to say without really taking any responsibility for his past actions:
“I’m going to play hard, and it’s going to start with me.” – This isn’t something he should need to say. This is something he should always have been doing. By saying this, he acknowledges that he hasn’t been playing as hard as he could. This first line negates everything he says afterward:
“And if other guys aren’t playing hard, coach (Kenny) Natt is going to see that – including myself.”

This reads like: I haven’t been playing hard, but now I’m definitely going to do so, and everybody else should play hard because I’ve decided to do so starting now. And if they don’t then our interim coach will have to hold them responsible..er I guess I should too I suppose. What a joke. You lead by doing not talking.

by Mikey G on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to nitpik...

…but I thought he meant that Natt would hold everyone accountable, including himself.

This shouldn’t affect your take, I just thought I should point it out since I read it differently.

by smgmatt on Jan 14, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a seattle thing

You wouldn’t get it. :P

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well stated

You defined a leader perfectly

good leader shows no fear and radiates confidence. In basketball, the leader is on top on all phases of his game and excels at crunch time —others recognize it and become followers.

And, that’s why we don’t have a leader. No One excels in all phases of the game. That’s what a SuperStar does and we don’t have a SuperStar. Until we find someone to fill that position, and start to build a team around him, we will always struggle at crunch time.

This game wasn’t a personal failure, it was a team failure. A failure to play Team Defense. So, although Martin may feel bad about his performance and want to improve it. The failure falls on Natt. He has to be the leader, do to the lack of player leadership. And, when the players fail to follow the game plan, he needs to make an example of them in front of the entire world. His situation leaves him no other choice. If we had a team leader, he surely would have gotten into the grill of the players not following the plan and constantling leaving their man open.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 14, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

It sounds to me like you’re saying “Leader = SuperStar” and I just don’t agree with that.

While a SuperStar can be a leader, and it might even be easier to lead when you’re a SuperStar, they are not mutually exclusive.

I seem to remember Vlade Divac being a leader back in the day, and a SuperStar he was not.

by smgmatt on Jan 15, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm agreeing with what Aspen said, and I quoted

But, as you said, and Leader doesn’t have to be a SuperStar. I’m saying that our best chance of getting a leader is by getting a SuperStar. SuperStar = Leader

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Suffering

So so hard to watch the games. I will say KM seemed to come out and play well after half time and then the entire team stalled out. Kevin is a really good player who would be an allstar on a good or great team. Let’s stop beating him up for not being a superstar or natural leader, and tell Geoff to go get us one of those!

by newkings on Jan 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeeeesss!

rec’d

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You all are funny

Top 4 team in the league destroys bottom 4 team, team leader makes quote to local newspaper about not letting it happen again.

That’s the way it works.

I’m just glad he didn’t talk about winning the championship this season.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

sometimes I miss Artest

I’m sure an Artest quote would make that statement completely reasonable.

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by iashwash on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree 100%

Top 4 teams destroy bottom 4 teams.. I think the problem is, most Kings fans do not see the Kings as a bottom 4 team… but the evidence is there for all to see. Check the scoreboard mate! The Kings are having a bad season, period. The combination of dumping salary and starting rookies has caught up to them. That’s all well and good as long as the team is going in the right direction. I can’t tell if the team is or not because no one, I repeat NO ONE knows what is in the head of Geoff Petrie. He is either gonna earn his pay this offseason, or he is going to seal his fate with the Kings organization. Either way, we have to look at what the Kings have in the way of assets, and they are few. They do have quite a few pieces that do not fit or are broken. Really after Martin, JT, and Hawes (none of which are setting the world on fire) who else would you really want on a team that will win games in the National Basketball Association?

Three things I know for sure:

1) Geoff Petrie is entirely responsible for the current roster.

2) Geoff Petrie will be held accountable for making it work.

3) Geoff Petrie will be fired if he can not make it work somehow with FA’s and the draft.

I think Geoff is reaching the end of his tenure as the GM. He is probably SICK of dealing with the Magoof Side show, and he is manuvering his was out of town. You know he would rather be somewhere else doing his thing. More than likely he will leave the Kings in a state of disarray and bail. So that goes back to, what are the assets and what are the liabilities on this team. Better get out your checkbook Magoofs, it is gonna cost a small liquer distributership fortune to fix this mess…

by FaStRmAn on Jan 14, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...no

Petrie’s current contract runs through the end of next year. He may retire at that time, but he will not be fired.

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Guh

When the Kings try to make the playoffs and fail, their “MLE contracts have caught up to them”.

When they finally blow it up and do an actual rebuild, their “combination of dumping salary and starting rookies [have] caught up to them”.

They can’t please anyone, apparently.

by smgmatt on Jan 14, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What MLE contracts have caught up to them?

Shareef’s is being taken off the cap by medical retirement (presumably), Moore’s buyout starts next season, Udrih is on the cap, but we know that when we signed him as the non Bird Free Agent, and Salmons has 2 years left after this season. Are those players collectively killing the Kings cap at the moment?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just sayin'

That was the rallying cry last year, and it even bled into this season.

I didn’t say that I agreed with it, I just found it amusing that GP “can’t win for losing” (as the saying goes).

by smgmatt on Jan 14, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes - I think it was sarcasm.....

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay then I read it wrong

And I’m an ass. No surprise there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read the Bee article yet but I did see the live interview last night in it's entirety

and I didn’t think Kevin was taking a pass in that particular statement. I understood that he was including himself in that statement. He said WE are a joke right now not THEY are a joke right now.

I actually took it as a good thing because if the king’s # 1 player said that, the player who must have GP’s and the Family’s ear said it then this statement might create enough of a stir to get changes made. I would have been insulted if Kevin had come out with the same “We have to work harder blah, blah blah” that we here nightly from KNatt after the games.

I don’t know that KNatt is a bad coach only that to date his coaching has not resulted in improvements to our defensive game. I do agree that offensively that Brad is mailing it in which is why he only played half the game last night.

It’s my opinion that Kevin who said “we’re a joke right now” at the end of the interview must have known that his statement was going to be heard by his team mates and the leaders of the organization. He was very low key throughout the whole interview but sounded to me that he had a disgusted tone in his voice as he said it.

It wouldn’t matter to the Kings if QD had said the same thing, so what? Kevin has never said anything like this before and I’m pretty sure it’s going to cause ripples throughout the organization and hopefully some action. If King’s management doesn’t respond to Kevin the next thing we may hear from him or his agent is a trade request and I for one doen’t want to hear that.

You guys can point fingers and insult each other all you want, Kevin may not be a vocal leader but he is at the top of the player hiararchy and his statement won’t be papered over, it can’t be. If we get to the trade deadline with no action then we and Kevin will know that this team is going nowhere fast.

Personally I hope we bring in a new coach now, sooner rather then later because I don’t think that KNatt can make the changes necessary to start turning the team around. A new coach will come in with no existing relationship with our players and will also come in with a plan and doesn’t have to accept the same old BS that Natt has to have been hearing from the team.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some good points here

I’ll disagree with you on one thing though. If Petrie doesn’t pull the trigger on a deal by the deadline, there’s really no reason to panic. It means he feels more comfortable letting Miller and K9 expire (or hoping they have more value this time next season) than taking whatever crap’s being offered to him. And that would be ok IMO.

It’s the same old story – we just have no clue what kind of deals are being presented by Petrie or to Petrie for guys like Salmons, Miller and K9.

I do somewhat agree with you about replacing Natt now. It would be nice, especially with Carill in the fold, to get a long-term voice in here. But the team may feel that there will be some solid coaching prospects available at the end of the season that aren’t currently.

With such a young roster, I think it’s important they start hearing one consistent voice that is in line with Petrie’s vision. Most of this season’s really going to be a lost cause for development, if Natt is summarily ushered out at the end of the season.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 14, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that isn't the case

But I’m not really sure a new coach can bring a new voice would be wise as long as this roster as craptastic as it is, as toxic as it is, is currently put together. I think the one area that has become real evident, with Ron Artest leaving, is that Ron took away some of the tension and dissatisfcation by guaranteeing it would all come to him. Now, that tension and dissatisfied feeling still exists, but unfortunately, Artest is no longer around. This was the worst possible scenario Petrie could have envisioned after trading Artest. It’s past time to start figuring out a plan B and C.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

rec’d for ‘craptastic () as currently put together’

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question

What is Petrie’s vision?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 14, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To disassemble the last team

and assemble the next one.

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are there

any guiding principles associated with either task?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 14, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But they’re a secret.

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by section214 on Jan 14, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

shhhhhh

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

For the last seven years or so.

Webber>xxx>Mikki
Vlade>>Miller
Bibby>>Udrih
Peja>>xxx>>Salmons
Christie>>xxx>>>Martin

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 14, 2009 11:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What a stretch you went on that one ace

You mean the Kings in 2002 are better than they are now? I’m shocked you would say that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"shocked, shocked to discover there's gambling going on -"

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Incremental transition from championship contender to doormat, one step at a time.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 15, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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