The Grizzlies are talking to other teams, and I was told to keep an eye on Sacramento. Not sure what players would be involved. Just passing on what is rumored between connected NBA people outside of Memphis.
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Mike Conley baby!
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 6:49 AM PST
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That was fast
I had 12 minutes in StR editor pool for how long it would take pookey to mention Conley in the Memphis rumor post. Less than one minute? Wow
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 6:55 AM PST
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Better to be lucky than good I say
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 6:57 AM PST
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Logged in?
Your only shot at winning that pool was if Pookey didn’t log in during those first 12 minutes.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:02 AM PST
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Isn't anyone else concerned
That Conely has basically sucked since he’s been in the NBA and hasn’t shown much improvement?
And don’t tell me he hasn’t gotten a chance — he averages 25 minutes a game and has started 64 games already.
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 9:14 AM PST
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I mean...
Memphis supposedly wants to give up on him in favor of Ramon Sessions, who yes, is good, but….. uh, isn’t that telling?
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 9:16 AM PST
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Let me see if I can anticipate pookey's rebuttal
He has had opportunity, yes. But the system in Memphis is not conducive to Conley’s style of play.
I don’t know details, but I believe that’s what we’ve discussed before. pookey? Care to fill in the gaps?
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by Exhibit G on
Jan 14, 2009 9:33 AM PST
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Sigh, but sure
Mainly it’s that he doesn’t fill in the system that suits Mayo, and truthfully, and this was mentioned by Tillery as well, Rudy Gay as well. Memphis is now married to Mayo, and as long as that is the case, then it’s unlikely Conley will play in the system that suits him best.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 9:39 AM PST
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Ok, but...
He wasn’t very good before Mayo came along either.
And what system are we talking here? It’s not like Memphis runs the triangle and reduces point guards to jump shooters. And they have good players on the break, which should suit Conley’s abilities. Yeah, last season they had the whole dump down to Pau and get out of the way thing going, but after the trade Conley still didn’t set the world on fire.
What am I missing? Seems like he’s just sucked.
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 9:42 AM PST
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You're missing my jockeying on his nuts incessantly
Other than that, I doubt you’re missing pertinent facts.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 9:45 AM PST
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I guess my argument would be ...
He’s a 21-year-old point guard on a team with some terrible bigs, a coach with a noose around his neck, and a really young supporting cast. His conditions almost certainly deflate his performance somewhat — as in, put him as he is on a better team, and his numbers would look better (assists up, shooting possibly up).
And that’s before we get into potential, which as a 21-year-old point guard is a pretty big part of the equation.
He’s been a catastrophe, for the most part. But you don’t have to be an optimist to think he’ll be at least good someday, with an outside shot at greatness.
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 9:47 AM PST
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So ...
We want a PG who can only perform well in a specific system, that needs that around him to be successful?
That may be overstating it but -
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 9:50 AM PST
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Missing the point
I believe the idea is simply to buy low. If he was playing up to his draft slot, the Kings wouldn’t have a shot at him at all.
With 2.5 years until he becomes a RFA, there’s plenty of time to find out if a change of scenery will do the trick
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 9:57 AM PST
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Hmm... terrible bigs, a coach with a noose around his neck, young supporting cast....
Sounds like the Kings!
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 10:01 AM PST
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Our bigs are far from terrible
at least the main three.
I think it’s time we start letting go of this perception we have as Kings fans that our big men just aren’t good. Shock and Hawes will be a force in the future. They both have that right mix of confidence, arrogance, work ethic, and talent that will pay off.
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by vfettke on
Jan 14, 2009 1:01 PM PST
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A force?
We’ll see I guess.
I was mostly exaggerating though. Gallows humor.
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 1:55 PM PST
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Yes, a force
They’ve been surprisingly effective this year. Their young and have less than two years NBA experience between the two. If they develop at a steady rate we’ll be quite happy with them
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by vfettke on
Jan 14, 2009 2:40 PM PST
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Everyone overrates their young players
Neither of them is really showing signs of being a “force” as in, someone you can’t stop on offense or who intimidates people on defense. They’re good, I’m happy we have them, but forces they are not.
Maybe they’ll become that someday, but I don’t think it’s anything close to a guarantee.
by nbrans on
Jan 14, 2009 4:10 PM PST
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Wow, that first paragraph
Sounds like you are describing Beno Udrih.
One other pro in Conley’s column – and I may be offbase, but this is based on my gut feeling from watching a lot of NBA basketball over the last 30 years – is that point guards tend to take longer to develop than most other positions. Conley’s age, the state of the team he plays on – these things have to be taken into consideration when evaluating his potential.
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:03 AM PST
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His injuries really hurt him last year
And the give it to OJ and watch him shoot hasn’t helped him this time around.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST
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Steve Nash
Wasn’t really good until his fifth year.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on
Jan 17, 2009 10:47 PM PST
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also
if my memory serves me right, i believe the year before, he was stuck in a shuffle of 3 of the grizzlies young PGs…i recall he never really got solid PT, or secured PT…memphis kinda shuffled around conley, lowry, and crittenton game after game, trying to see who fit. this wasnt conducive to conley’s development — it didnt really help any of their point guards.
it seemed like conley didnt know where the minutes were coming from…even if he seemed to be earning minutes, they were just as likely to be taken away next game to shuffle someone else into the starting lineup. of course now this season, his game just does not mesh with mayo at all. i would personally much rather take a shot running the show with conley than with udrih.
by sactoreg on
Jan 14, 2009 10:48 AM PST
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One big problem
If he’s not playing in a system that suits him in Memphis, then what system does suit him? Will our system, or lack thereof, be what it takes?
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by vfettke on
Jan 14, 2009 1:03 PM PST
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Distribution
Pookey’s point has always been that both Conley & Mayo need to have the ball to be effective. This means that they may never play well together, and Mayo is the guy in Memphis, which would make Conley expendable.
He even went a step further to say that he thought Udrih would be better alongside Mayo (and Gay) because he’s more of a shooter than a distributor, unlike Conley (who’s more of the opposite).
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Jan 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST
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Amen brotha smg
May I join your congregation?
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST
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You might notice ...
… I tagged this FanShot with “Mike Conley.” That’s who the Tillery post is focused on;
while Tillery does not indicate the Kings might be after Conley, I’m not exactly sure who else Sacramento would want from the available Grizzii.
Conley for Salmons (who could play SG between Mayo at point and Gay at SF) and Bobby Brown works on El Machino. It was suggested to me by a Memphis fan.
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 6:52 AM PST
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Why wouldn't the Kings do that?
What would the Kings really lose by doing so? This team has so many holes, it’s chemistry is toxic, Rubio might not be available, and there’s no guarantee he’s better than Conley, and while I’m all for getting a quality PG with this team, Salmons is not the type of player that can help this group any longer. It’s clear the Kings need to make a move, and this is one they should be willing to make.
When you’re 9-30, very few players should be safe.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 6:57 AM PST
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Hmm
I think if this is the route the Kings take to get their PG, a serious effort should probably be made to dump 2009 salary (Miller/K9 for Starbury, Moore for Swift, etc.) and make a run at Boozer.
I must say, though, that I liked pookey’s Udrih trade better than Salmons/Brown.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:07 AM PST
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Of course
I still think Udrih would be more helpful long term to the Grizz than Salmons will. Especially if he continues to pout about getting shots, you know with, Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo around, that might be a possibility.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 7:17 AM PST
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We can always hope
…that they’ll see it the same way.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:19 AM PST
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That doesn't mean the prospect of keeping Salmons long term is enticing though
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 7:22 AM PST
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Interesting
But have we seen enough of Brown to know whether Conley would even be an upgrade?
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:10 AM PST
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Three-way?
The Milwaukee-Memphis rumor was Sessions and Joe Alexander for Conley. Tillery mentions in the above-linked post that the Bucks might want to hold onto Alexander.
Assuming Miller and Moore are gone by next November, I’m not made at this deal: Conley to Milwaukee, Salmons and Douby (or Brown) to Memphis, Sessions and Villanueva to Sacramento.
The Bucks keep Alexander, the Kings get a third big to mix in with Hawes and Thompson (or allowing the trade of one) and a nice young PG (both guys RFAs this summer). To me, Salmons makes more sense for Memphis than Sessions (stuck behind Mayo and maybe Lowry for a while) and Alexander (Memphis doesn’t lack athleticism on the wings).
I assume Milwaukee would rather part with Villanueva than Alexander. And to be honest, I’d rather have Villanueva than Alexander, so long as he gets a Garcia-or-lower contract this summer. 18 PER this season; 20 points/36, strong defensive rebounder (which fits with Thompson). Sessions is a prize … if he ever figures out how to shoot. (Attn: Thorpe and Carril, your attention please.)
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 7:06 AM PST
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Interesting
With this deal, the Kings could still pursue a Free Agent (assuming they dump 2009 salary obligations) because the cap hold for Sessions & Villanueva would be small, meaning that the Kings could sign a FA with available cap space, and then re-sign these two over the cap (not the luxury tax, just the cap) with their Bird Rights.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:11 AM PST
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I still think
Let’s say you make a move for Villaneuva/Sessions. You dump Thomas/Miller for Starbury, and that gives you cap room as well. (Villaneuva is a restricted FA in the summer.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 7:25 AM PST
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OK
Ziller mentioned that Villanueva/Sessions are both RFA’s this summer, and I was just commenting that the “cap hold” for those guys wouldn’t be very high (with current salaries of basically $3.5M & $700k, respectively).
I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me or disagreeing, but it seems like you didn’t finish your thought in that comment.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:30 AM PST
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He did my apologies on the RFA comment
My point was, that talent becomes less important than cap space if you’re receiving role players/solid young talent that could fit your team down the road, when you’re trading Brad Miller. And it was poorly thought out, so thanks for the correction.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 7:37 AM PST
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Actually
I didn’t realize Villanueva’s cap hold was so high ($13 million). Sessions is tiny, less than $1 million, so you could sign whatever FA you want before locking up Sessions (or while waiting on an offer sheet from another team to set the market). But Villanueva — if you wanted to play with hypothetical cap space w/r/t Hedo, Millsap, Boozer, Bass etc, you’d need to deal with Villanueva (with a new contract, renouncing his Bird rights or convincing him to sign a $4.3 million qualifying offer) first to get that cap hold out of the way.
This is all to say the RFA status for Sessions wouldn’t affect your ability to get on the market, but Villanueva’s RFA status could complicate things if you end up with cap space.
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 7:50 AM PST
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YIKES!
$13M?
Well disregard my previous comment then. You’d definitely need to take care of him first.
Question: If he signs the Qualifying Offer, can they still offer him a long-term deal, or would they have to wait until the following year (when he’s unrestricted)?
I’m guessing they’d have to wait.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 7:55 AM PST
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Being the Bulls is rarely a wise idea
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 8:07 AM PST
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You'd have to convince me Villaneuva is worth that type of trade
Because right now, I’m not convinced. It’s not like MIlwaukee has a ton of bigs they can play at any given moment.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 8:02 AM PST
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If you do a deal with Memphis
Pick up Darius Miles.
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by jscot on
Jan 14, 2009 7:33 AM PST
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LOL
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 7:37 AM PST
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Bayless for Douby ...
… and you’ve got a deal.
by Ziller on
Jan 14, 2009 7:43 AM PST
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Classic
It’s also interesting to think about.
What’s more valuable to PDX: the cap space Miles’ contract alters, or Bayless’ potential?
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Jan 14, 2009 7:57 AM PST
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Douby doesn't offer any real long term relief to make that make sense for Portland
From a talent perspective, well that’s obvious.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 8:01 AM PST
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Delete these 2 comments
I’m setting a personal record for mass stupidity, which is saying something in my case.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 8:01 AM PST
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Bayless potential
Not even close, IMO.
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by jscot on
Jan 14, 2009 8:24 AM PST
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I'm higher than a lot on Bayless
Because he’s perfect next to Roy, can play the 2 on offense while Roy is playmaking, and can defend 1s. He’ll have a similar offense style to Tony Parker, not as good offensively but perhaps better defensively.
I don’t know that he would be as good a fit for you as he is for us. I think you guys would be better off with a more pure pass-first PG.
And mega cap-space this summer is only of limited value to Portland because there just aren’t many UFAs who would be a great fit for us. I suspect their maneuvering on MIles was more about luxury tax this year than cap space this summer. They’ll have enough space anyway to facilitate a trade or grab a role player.
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Jan 14, 2009 9:03 AM PST
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Bayless just showed why
I’m so high on him.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on
Jan 15, 2009 10:15 PM PST
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Most likely, If true
Realistically, I think Darko+Conley for Brad or Brad+Douby would be more doable for both teams. Memphis gets experienced big man and Kings get young prospects or prospect(Darko=Kwame Brown). Neither team takes on additional years of salary.
by creep on
Jan 14, 2009 9:00 AM PST
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I think the kings might do this as well.
I am not quite on a pookey level of obsession with Conley, but he is a pure point guard which is something this team has lacked for as long as I can remember (I don’t include J-Will because of his – oh i got past half court time to jack up a 3 from as far away as possible mode). Taking back darko isn’t the worst thing ever as he can actually play as opposed to K9.
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by moproblemz on
Jan 14, 2009 9:09 AM PST
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Mike Conley Sr isn't probably on the level of obsession with Jr as I am
So, yeah.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 9:14 AM PST
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What's so good about Conley?
Is it his 3 assists per game or his lack of defensive skills that has you so orgasmic?
by KingsFan on
Jan 14, 2009 9:18 AM PST
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Let me get this straight
You want to argue with me that Conley isn’t wonderful based on his stats of this season & last? And you expect me to respond to this how? And, at some point, why?
I realize many of you think it’s irrational. The way some thought I was crazy to want Jason Smith. Or crazy to want, nevermind, I don’t think many around here thought wanting Marresse Speights was crazy. The point is, crazy is as crazy do. Sometimes it’s explainable. Sometimes it’s just screwy.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 9:21 AM PST
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You were also crazy to want Rodney Stuckey
Oh, wait…
I would like Conley to be a better shooter, but it is a bit ludicrous to think that he has less potential than Rubio, Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Collison, Calathes, etc. If he could be had for Salmons or something similar, I would do the deal.
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 9:51 AM PST
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I do not agree
Trading a starter – who has a bargain contract, for a PG who still has ‘potential’ after two years of significant minutes, who’s defense is suspect, who is not the firey guy this team needs.
It sounds like desperation.
I don’t believe – as most of you know – that Salmons and KM are good together. More especially that Salmons, KM and Beno are good together. Some of that has to do with styles but as much or more of has to do with the fat that one of those positions they play has to Push the team on the court (more than ball handling I’m talking about).
Mostly its about personality.
Conley, whatever else his skills are, will not add the necessary Energy to this roster.
THAT, you would see by now.
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I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 10:00 AM PST
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Agreed
Salmons straight up for Conley? That would be par for the Kings’ course.
by KingsFan on
Jan 14, 2009 10:29 AM PST
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Unfortunately
games like last night may result in some knee-jerk desperation move that doesn’t address the root cause.
God help us.
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I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 10:47 AM PST
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In Petrie We Trust
Petrie doesn’t do “knee-jerk desperation” moves.
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by iashwash on
Jan 14, 2009 1:24 PM PST
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Would you
trade Salmons for the #1 pick if the pick were Rubio? For the #5 pick if it were Jennings? For the #6 pick if it were Holiday?
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST
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Are you saying Conley is equal to Rubio?
Or are you saying that Conley’s future is unkown just like the draft picks you mentioned. I’m uncertain as to your point.
What I know is, if you trade Salmons, you better get back someone who can play defense.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on
Jan 14, 2009 4:17 PM PST
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The latter - future unknown
91 games into his career is a little early to be calling him a bust. As I just noted below, Salmons is worth what he is worth. He’s worth Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier (perhaps), but those guys would not be part of our long term plans. So he then becomes worth a prospect.
Jason Richardson was worth a #8 pick. Ray Allen was worth a #5 pick. So what does that make Salmons worth. A #18 pick? Is Conley > than a #18 pick?
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:21 PM PST
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Never wanted Stuckey
Just said he would be better than Acie Law. I said Atlanta would have been crazy not to take Stuckey.
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Jan 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST
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But you liked him
Just sayin’ that you’re a little better judge of talent than you let on.
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:26 PM PST
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Nun uh
I won’t admit to that. I’m only as good as the people doing the official sqwaking are. Thankfully, they know some stuff. (Honestly, 214, I piggybacked off Chad Ford on Stuckey.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:28 PM PST
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No kidding
What the hell do we know? We just guessing/building on what we hear from the experts..
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM PST
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Piggybacking
Following Chad Ford is a brave move, don’t sell yourself short.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on
Jan 14, 2009 7:47 PM PST
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In other basketball matters
In draft related matters, not always.
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Jan 14, 2009 11:32 PM PST
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And please
Stop bringing Stuckey up. It’s not like I’m some draft genius or anything. It’s like everything else over time. Some things even out, and some things don’t.
(For instance, in 2005 I would have been deadset against Chris Paul. Was that right? In my defense, I did say I thought that Deron Williams, Marvin Williams, Ike Diogu Andrew Bynum and Danny Granger would be the 5 best players of the draft. I got 3 out of the 5 right, so I am proud about that.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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Stuckey, Stuckey, Stuckey, Stuckey, Stuckey. I’m a good driver. Stuckey.
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM PST
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You & Mel Brooks
You are worse than cockroaches both of ya’z. Unfortunately you’re both hilarious too.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:33 PM PST
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The Many Faces of pookeyguru
Modest Pookey always entertains me.
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 6:50 AM PST
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So glad my anguish entertains
One can only do so much otherwise. :P
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 15, 2009 9:31 AM PST
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One thing I agree with here...
Petrie doesnt make knee jerk reactions to poor games or even poor stretches of games. He always takes his time to make the exceedingly poor free agent decisions he has made. Last good Free Agent Petrie was able to lure here?? Anyone??? C-Webb. That was a long time ago. The sparkle has faded from that long ago coup. Geoff ( Pronounced (GEE-OFF) needs to make some kind of splash before the Feb Trade deadline. Not just the trade to do something trade, but a substantive trade improving the Kings going into the second half of this season without ruining our draft position in a very shallow draft…. Come ON GEE-OFF, the genius has a half life and many believe that you have lost your touch. Your last 3 trades made the team worst, not better. Make your next one count…. could be your last….
by FaStRmAn on
Jan 14, 2009 2:52 PM PST
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Umm...
C-Webb was not a free agent, actually. Petrie traded Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe for him
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by vfettke on
Jan 14, 2009 3:04 PM PST
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what do you expect from him?
He doesn’t actually know anything
- just interested in rabble rousing
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 3:19 PM PST
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The Answer . . . plus a few follow-up questions
…should have been Vlade, not Webber.
As for FaStRmAn’s comment:
Your last 3 trades made the team worst, not better.
1. Peja – for – Artest
Peja was walking, and Artest’s salary didn’t prevent any FA signings, so the only argument that this made the team worse would be that he didn’t start the rebuilding process sooner. I’m only speculating on your opinion, but I don’t think that’s your stance.
2. Bibby – for – (basically) Shelden & cap relief
Math Question: This Kings roster - Beno Udrih + Mike Bibby = Worth paying the Luxury Tax? No.
3. Artest – for – Greene & 2009 1st Round Pick
Artest for two prospsects . . . short term loss for long term gain. The only argument that this made the team worse is the short term value of Artest, unless you really think the Kings should have extended him.
All that said, FaStRmAn, what would you propose? What reasonably possible deal is even out there that would satisfy you?
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 3:23 PM PST
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As vfettke notes
C-Webb was a trade acquisition. But to answer a question with a question – when was the last time Petrie had any kind of real salary cap flexibility to sign a free agent?
If you were expecting him to lure a superstar without actual cap room, I don’t know what to tell you. He’s got a mixed record in free agency, to be sure – but he wasn’t going to spin straw into gold with the money he had on hand.
Now the trade market is where I think you could criticize Petrie – maybe moreso for inaction than his actions.
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST
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Rec'd
For this quote (emphasis mine):
Now the trade market is where I think you could criticize Petrie – maybe moreso for inaction than his actions.
The only problem is that we have no idea what other options were actually available, but this is where the criticisms of GP are understandable.
by smgmatt on
Jan 14, 2009 3:25 PM PST
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Questions
Had Conley dropped to #10 in the draft a year and half ago, we would have giddily scooped him up. Salmons would not fetch a #10 in today’s market, much less a #4 pick, where Conley was selected. Has the 21 year old’s star fallen that far in 91 career games?
I ask this without bias, as I am not 100% sold on Conley myself. But Salmons is a fair to good value, not a great value. He is worth a like player, or a roll of the dice on a prospect. Mike Conley is a prospect, with no guarantees. What more do we really think that we could fetch for Salmons?
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:18 PM PST
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I think we could fetch quite a bit
but I think we may find out very soon.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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I still haven't figured out why people have gotten so down on Conley
Or better yet, how he has gotten so bad he wasn’t worth it. Folks, Conley carried that OSU team for a bulk of the season when Oden wasn’t around. It wasn’t just Greg Oden and OSU. It was really Greg Oden, Mike Conley, the dude who plays on Miami whose name I’m blanking on ,and the other guys. They had 3 1st round picks on that team, and you want to throw Conley under the bus cuz his career didn’t start off swell.
3 names for all you geniuses who know everything about PG’s, and I’m not comparing Conley, but I’m throwing names out there: Gary Payton (started very very slow), Steve Nash (played behind KJ & Jason Kidd for 3 years), and John Stockton (didn’t start till his 4th season either). So, in a sense, starting slow @ the Point is nothing new. Teams are interested in Conley. It’s what they’re willing to give up to get him, and it’s what Memphis is expecting in return here that is the real interesting story. If the Bucks could get Conley for Sessions and Villaneuva, then, potentially, that’s a steal.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:32 PM PST
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You could add Chauncey Billups to that list
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:46 PM PST
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Yeah he was horrible with the Celtics...
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on
Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM PST
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He only last half a season Mo
He was gone in January to the Raps if I remember right. And they turned around and traded him to Orlando in some deal. Then they turned around and traded him to Denver (the first time). Billups is the best player who never did diddly squat at his first 4 stops in the NBA (Boston, Toronto, Orlando, and Denver). Thankfully, the last 3 stops, Minnesota, Detroit, and Denver the real homecoming, have been good for him.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:53 PM PST
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Conley just looks....ordinary
to me so far.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 14, 2009 5:07 PM PST
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Good call
And definitely add him to that list. But I hope if the Kings do acquire Conley, he isn’t like Billups in several of his early stops. Although, to be fair, he never really got going until his 4th year in the league with Minnesota. (That was really true of Bobby Jackson as well.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM PST
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Daequan Cook?
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 4:50 PM PST
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You are the master
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 4:50 PM PST
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Don't forget that this class is supposed to be much weaker than Conley's draft class.
If a Salmons Conley deal is proposed they have to jump on that.
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by moproblemz on
Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST
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Aw hell
That means we probably win the lottery.
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST
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awesome....i'm feelin lucky
are you?
by thisismellow on
Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM PST
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Hell, I'm an SF Giants fan
So I’m the eternal optimist.
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by otis29 on
Jan 14, 2009 5:05 PM PST
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And a perpetual masochist
Like me.
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by section214 on
Jan 14, 2009 5:06 PM PST
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Isn't that an oxymoron?
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 14, 2009 5:07 PM PST
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all us kings fans are morons
thats why we fell in love with Ron Ron…oh wait
by thisismellow on
Jan 14, 2009 5:28 PM PST
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Does that mean...
…that you’ve talked yourself into the Renteria signing?
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 6:54 AM PST
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I'm OK with it
‘cause it’s only for two years. Zito will still be clogging the rotation and payroll long after Edgar is gone.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 7:11 AM PST
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Someday
I want to root for a Giants position player under 35 years old. Is that really too much to ask for?
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on
Jan 15, 2009 7:38 AM PST
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No problem!
Just root for all the good players on other teams while they’re under 35, before they make it to the bay.
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 7:53 AM PST
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Pablo Sandoval!
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by otis29 on
Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM PST
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Just get older -
The players will seem younger.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 8:26 AM PST
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Eh my neighbor was doing well for the giants for the first half of last
season unfortunately as the season went on not so much. Here’s hoping you deliver next year Bowker.
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by moproblemz on
Jan 15, 2009 10:00 AM PST
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It's a bitch
When the league adjusts. They figured out his swing hole – now he has to adjust as well.
I really enjoyed watching Bowker play last season, but I think the Giants rushed him a bit. I’m hoping he stays down another year and the team allows him to progress in a more natural fashion.
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by otis29 on
Jan 15, 2009 10:07 AM PST
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just to offer my two cents worth
and that’s aussie cents, so not worth much over there.
The way i see it, the draft looks like it will allow us to add some quality (obviosuly this is chance) at either the PG or PF/C. Looking at the mock drafts, it seems that these positions might be the easiest to fill.
For this reason, I’m unsure of adding another PG now unless we can unload Beno somehow. Despite this, I would take Conley’s potential over Beno’s inconsistent play any day. It could just make for some interesting draft discussions if the best player available is a PG. It’s not like no-one would want Conley though I guess.
by thisismellow on
Jan 14, 2009 5:47 PM PST
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In this example
Who do you think would have more trade value: Conley or Salmons?
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 6:56 AM PST
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I think we are undervaluing Salmons
Just as a way to see where he stacks up in the league I went to Hollinger’s per list. Salmon’s PER is 15.94 and he is currently ranked 15th out of 66. The three players above him are Josh Howard (16.68), Tayshaun Prince (16.01) Corey Maggette (15.97). The three players directly below him are Shawn Marion (15.49), Rudy Gay (15.47) and Hedu Turkoglu (14.97).
Now I know PER isn’t perfect and this is this season’s PER, not career PER but just for conversation’s sake if you look at the contracts just above and below Salmons, he’s playing like a $9 million player this year. At just over $5.1 mil, John is playing well above his contract value this season. I haven’t looked recently but he is close to the leaders in minutes played.
So let me rephrase Section’s question. Would you trade Tayshaun Prince for the #4 pick in this years draft? I don’t know the answer to that question but my point is that I believe that Salmons has more value than we are giving him credit for.
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by Bluejohn on
Jan 14, 2009 5:54 PM PST
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Sorry, meant to say he is ranked 1th out of 66 SF's listed.
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by Bluejohn on
Jan 14, 2009 5:55 PM PST
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I'm going to stop now, 15th out of 66 SF's listed
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by Bluejohn on
Jan 14, 2009 5:56 PM PST
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I don't think we're undervaluing him
Things to consider:
Salmons value was catastrophically low when he signed (most people thought Petrie was overpaying).
The market for swingmen is good. The Hawks gave away Childress and didn’t blink twice.
The team is rebuilding. Do we really want Salmons to be our oldest piece of the future? Or is the 26 year old Martin really the peak age if building for a team in the next seven years. If he isn’t in the future, then you try to get a pick.
So, if Rasheed Wallace signs elsewhere, Richard Hamilton blows out his knee, McDyess retires, and AI rides off into the sunset next year – does Joe Dumars trade Prince next year for the #4 pick to get a PF for the future?
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by iashwash on
Jan 14, 2009 6:21 PM PST
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i tend to think salmons is overvalued around here
dont get me wrong, he is a good player, and someone not to give away for free obviously. but though he puts up points in bunches, he has done so when the team was lacking their leading scorer. he’s a legit #1 (in our last-resort type of way), but he’s not a #1 that wins you games.
when he’s not the primary option, he has struggled — i am sure this fact is not lost on NBA GMs. true, he is a good defender…i wouldn’t go so far as to see he is an elite lockdown guy, but he is pretty good. so, basically you have a good defender who (as he would likely not be the #1 option were he to be traded) is a decent scorer. also consider he is a not a “specialist-scorer” in any way, in that he doesnt hit the 3-ball extraordinarily well, have a knack for getting to the line, etc.
would i trade a good defender, decent scorer for someone who was a top PG prospect? heck yes, especially when we have a serviceable wing on the bench in garcia, and a fairly glaring need for a future PG.
by sactoreg on
Jan 15, 2009 6:12 AM PST
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Don't forget 'durable' when describing JS
Has he missed a game in years? I don’t think so, and that has value.
Anyway, I argue with top PG prospect because I just havn’t seen that in Conley. He actually reminds me a lot of Beno; solid, serviable, a little slow, an occasional game changer. I may be wrong but would like someone to show me some evidence that I’m not.
So, do you trade a starter for a duplicate unremarkable piece?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 9:35 AM PST
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Duplicate?
As it has been pointed out before, Beno & Conley have opposite strengths.
To call them duplicates simply because they play the same position is overstating things a bit, no?
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 9:56 AM PST
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It was reported recently
That Conley has lost most his support in the Griz front ofc because of ‘uninspired lackluster play’. Sound familer? Now this is the #2 guy getting 20 + minutes,
not the spirit I’m looking for.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 11:25 AM PST
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I'll stop short of a full endorsement
but he is only 21, and look what a change of scenery has done for the careers of players like Jermaine O’Neal, Chris Webber, Gerald Wallace, etc.
It all comes down to having to take some risks at some point, and all that you are risking by dealing Salmons is whatever value you have in him, since he is probably not in the long range plans. Which brings us back to the question – if not Mike Conley, then who? Who does John Salmons fetch in return.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 11:36 AM PST
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Agreed
…on pretty much all counts.
In my opinion, Conley is probably the best risk/reward out there that the Kings could reasonably acquire by dealing Salmons . . . but I’m still open to other suggestions.
by smgmatt on
Jan 15, 2009 11:46 AM PST
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The league is littered
with intriguing young prospects, many of them on playoff or bubble teams.
Salmons’ contract is VERY tradeable, Raw I’m ok with, ‘work in progress’ – fine. I just hope for one who’s play so far isn’t being described as ‘lackluster’.
& Cap space is silly for a guy with his bargain contract. Now, packaged with K-9 to open cap space – count me in as long as some tidbit is thrown in.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 11:57 AM PST
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One thing is certain -
Your concerns do have merit. This would not be a deal without a level of risk.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 12:02 PM PST
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I occurred to me thinking about it
That this years rookie class may be the strongest I can remember. Lots of potential/upside. It may go down as one of the deepest drafts ever.(?) I wouldn’t mind adding another 1 or 2 as next years doesn’t look that great.
I’d be fine with using that Houston pick to get one as well in some deal.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 12:15 PM PST
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Who does John Salmons fetch in return.
The better question maybe who do we have to replace him. Right now he is in our top 3 best players. If we move Miller for cap space and Salmon’s for a potential future starting PG, we’ll end up looking back at the first part of this year as the GOOD OLD DAYS.
Trade Miller & Salmons this year, and we end up with a Potential Starting Center,PF, SF, PG, & two 1st round Draft choices with Potential. And, a Potentially very frustrated Martin putting up 30ppg on a losing team until our players with Potential develop.
Conley isn’t the only PG and may not even be the best fit for us. We don’t need to acquire our entire future lineup this year. Depending on who’s even available in this years draft, the PG we need may not be available until 2010’s Draft.
IMHO, we move Miller. Play the rookies thru the end of the year, and see where the draft takes us. Salmon’s value, what ever it may be, won’t change by next summer.
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by HighTops on
Jan 15, 2009 2:10 PM PST
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Replacing Salmons
Garcia can start, so the question becomes, how do you replace Garcia off the bench?
That said, we’re talking about a team that is going to win 20 games, give or take, so what’s the difference. If Salmons is not part of your future, you don’t concern yourself with keeping him for the present. You do concern yourself with making sure that you’re getting something worthwhile back for him, and that is the unknown as it pertains to Conley.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 2:59 PM PST
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Who's to say who is part of our future
Surely, (I know stop calling you Sherly) no one can be certain that Conley will be part of our future. This reminds me of the fable of the dog with a bone looking off of a bridge at his own reflection. Thinking he’s seeing another dog with a bone he barks and loses his when it falls into the water.
Until we move Miller we don’t need a PG because he’s our PG. We have holes at Center, PF, & PG. But, I think it’s wrong to create another hole at SF to gamble a known commodity on a unkown. Conley isn’t the best PG available to the Kings. Over the next two years numerous PG’s with greater potential will be available in the draft and through trades.
You are correct about Garcia being able to fill in for Salmons, but that leaves the bench even thinner. No backup for Martin and the end of Garcia at PG. It’s not worth the gamble.
And, yes we’ll be a 20 win team either way. The question is for how many years. Once Miller & Salmons are gone and Conley turns into a flop your out of bargaining chips.
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by HighTops on
Jan 15, 2009 4:26 PM PST
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Good points
But I think if someone comes calling that willing to take K9 off our hands as part of it – we do it. Thats if we can’t move him with Brad.
If not, like I said, good points. I’m not in favor of moving him for negligible cap space.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 5:08 PM PST
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Valid point
So we’re back to determining whether Salmons’ value is greater than a guy that was drafted #4 about a year and half ago and has yet to show that he can be a viable pro (Shelden was a #5 and we know how that turned out).
I think the issue here is affixing a value to Salmons. I think that he is worth a non-lottery #1. And if that non-lottery #1 brought someone like Darren Collison, is that better than Conley (it is cheaper). I just have trouble identifying a young NBA player with potential and no warts that could be had for Salmons, and I would only want to part with Salmons if we were receiving help for the future.
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by section214 on
Jan 15, 2009 5:09 PM PST
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Yes, that is the question
Now, you say Cisco can start – and he can, but i think he’s much more effective off the bench, is happy there. I’d hate for him to get it into his head that he’s a starter.
I do want to point out that top five picks like Conley get paid almost as much as JS, so salary concerns are irrelevant. Is Donte’ ready to really contribute? I don’t know. I think HighTops is right here, unless its a good deal (or we dump Kenny, emphasis mine), why not wait until the summer?
I’ll also throw out my ‘Why not Salmons + Mikki + exp to Utah for Boozer?’ idea again. Milsap will be thier guy next year, they don’t believe in CJ Miles at SF, Mikki can play back-up big this year in the playoffs, and you can figure out whether to keep him or use his $2 mil buyout after you see how it goes… Now thats taking a chance we get nothing for JS in he end and assuming we want to pay Boozer $15-16 mil a yr.
Added Bonus, Boozer misses the next 20 games or so and we don’t win too many more games.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 6:44 PM PST
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Actually
I think Salmons + Mikki for Boozer works salary wise…$11.5 for Boozer, $10.9 from us. Throw in Morris Almond for roster reasons(?)
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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on
Jan 15, 2009 6:55 PM PST
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Dude
If Boozer was available for Salmons/Mikki/+ he’d already be in Sacramento.
I don’t know if anyone would be against that trade, because even if Boozer walks when he opts out this summer, he’ll probably need a S&T to get the money he wants. And even if he walks for nothing, it’s the smallest possible gamble for the possibility of such a high return.
So when you use that as your counterpoint to the question: “What can we get for Salmons?”, I think you’re a bit higher on him than most.
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Jan 15, 2009 10:14 PM PST
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Hey!
I don’t think its a total fantasy! (not sayin’ its gonna happen either)
Now, Utah, who is veeery weak IMO at the 2 and 3 spot, and pretty cheap, just can’t sign both Boozer and Millsap. Boozer is a non-factor for another 20 games or so. Do they want to compete with LA? Salmons can guard Kobe (for some reason), maybe better than anyone else really does.
I think it is possible they’d go for it.
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 16, 2009 12:47 AM PST
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Salmons also
wouldn’t mind living in Utah. Dude doesn’t drink – or eat meat!
(might even be LDS – though I think the meat thing is Ok with them)
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by lietothegirls on
Jan 16, 2009 12:51 AM PST
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I like the deal
Same thought process as the Conley deal, risk v. reward, with a larger potential reward…a larger risk, too, if you sign him to that fat long term deal and his knee goes south (hmmm…I’m experiencing a case of deja vu).
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by section214 on
Jan 16, 2009 8:23 AM PST
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He's not as good
As smart, or as committed as Webber was though. Even though Webber played the mercenary part somewhat, some of that was being a free agent. You only get so many times to be one in your basketball career.
Boozer is a straight mercenary, and while Webber had problems here in Sactown, he could have built his restaurant anywhere. For some apparent reason, he chose to build it here, and after he was traded of all things.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 17, 2009 10:27 AM PST
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It's possible
In fact it’s more than likely that Salmons is moved. IMHO, the reason Donte was shipped out to the D-League was to get him into game shape, in case, Salmons is moved.
I think your idea on the Kobe vs. Salmons matchup makes sense. But, Boozer would have to pass our medical, and he’d have to do a sign & trade. It’s too dangerous to take a chance on him not resigning with us. Also, even if we had bird rights, I wouldn’t want to have to get into a bidding war. I’d have to know exactly what he was going to cost before I made the deal.
Before I got into a bidding war over Boozer, I’d get into a bidding war over Millsap.
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by HighTops on
Jan 16, 2009 12:38 PM PST
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Ineresting
This might be a bit dense, but hear me out.
If the Kings could make a Salmons/Mikki for Boozer deal with Utah (which I think is a no-brainer), and could follow that up with a Miller/K9 for Marbury deal with NYK, then the Kings could potentially have a shot at their choice of Boozer/Millsap.
Boozer’s Bird Rights would have quite a cap-hold, but if Millsap agrees to a deal they could simply renounce Boozer and let him walk.
I’m sure there’s a lot of details I’m missing, but it just got me thinking of how ironic it would be if dealing Salmons/Mikki for Boozer actually ended up with the Kings getting Millsap in the end.
by smgmatt on
Jan 16, 2009 1:15 PM PST
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I'd be surprised if Boozer walked away from an extra $25 million
And whoever has his Bird rights will be able to offer him that. Dude has been pretty consistent when it comes to his love of money.
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by section214 on
Jan 16, 2009 2:22 PM PST
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Yeah, what a dick
Wanting to make more money, fucking Commie!
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by Kfan in Korea on
Jan 16, 2009 6:38 PM PST
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I wasn't slamming him
I woild do the same thing.
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by section214 on
Jan 16, 2009 9:40 PM PST
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I just think he gets a bad rap
similar to Marion, for doing what everyone else does. Looking out for #1.
Where’s the criticism of Kobe and LeBron? I bet their teams could win a title much easier if they signed for 10 million per year instead of 20. It’s not like they both don’t have very lucrative endorsement deals to make their real money.
And WTF? I get no props for calling him a commie for loving money, the heart of capitalism? I thought that was really funny.
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by Kfan in Korea on
Jan 17, 2009 5:36 AM PST
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You're right, and to wit -

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by section214 on
Jan 17, 2009 8:32 AM PST
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60 million vs 85 million
The team that’s offering the 85 has holes, and to boot, isn’t as good as the team I’m currently on. The team I’m getting 60 will see me winning, and eventually, maybe a championship. I take the 85 cuz I like the money, and I end up being Maurice Lucas redux without the rebounding or the ring. No thanks. Money ain’t everything. Course, Boozer ain’t that smart either.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST
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I'm not really interested in starting another trade thread here
But, I agree that if we get a known starter to upgrade any position then it’s worth the gamble to trade Salmons now. Also, if K9 can’t be moved with Miller which seems to be the case, and we can move him with Salmons then that’s a good deal.
By the way, since Boozer may not be back before the deadline, and until the effects of his injury are known, his value may be way down. In fact, I suspect that if he doesn’t play before the end of the year, he might not opt out of his contract after all.
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by HighTops on
Jan 15, 2009 9:56 PM PST
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If we are invloved
I think the Kings would be the third team to get it happening and would receive some pieces from the Bucks (or from both). Surely there is no way that Memphis would want Miller or Salmons, but Milwaukee are in the playoff picture, so they could do with a couple of decent vets. A Bogut/Miller front court would be interesting, though not overly athletic (actually there would be no athleticity).
I found it interesting that the Bucks are finding Jefferson’s value. Could he be a 3 that helps to complete our dream 2011 lineup? He is getting payed quite handsomely and is 28 years old, however. Just throwing an idea out there.
by thisismellow on
Jan 15, 2009 1:04 AM PST
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I'm a dangerous man now
I’ve got my wireless mouse to work. Beware folks, as I may drop some incredible bit of nothing. Why did you need to know that? No clue. But I just wanted to say something for no reason. Bite me. :)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 15, 2009 2:32 PM PST
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You mean you installed the battery and plugged it into the USB port?
Cool. I bet that was hard. Time to take a nap I expect. ;-)
by hozr on
Jan 15, 2009 5:57 PM PST
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No I did that 5 days earlier
The hard part was pressing both buttons to make sure the usb chip was working appropriately. Never not call me stupid. Umm kay?
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