Would Memphis do this?
by Soupial on Jan 14, 2009 8:59 PM PST
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Kings get: Mike Conley, Darko Milicic
Grizzlies get: Brad Miller
I'm not a Darko fan, I just added him to make the salaries work. His contract ends in 2010, so it wouldn't hurt our supposed big free agency summer.
As a Kings fan, I would love this trade. I still think Conley has a chance to become a very good NBA point guard, while Brad Miller has worn out his welcome in Sacramento with his whining after every call, lack of defense, and off-court drug problems. Which brings me to my question: is this a good trade for Memphis? I know they like Marc Gasol a lot, but Brad brings an entirely different set of skills to that team that I think they are lacking. He is still a very good passer and shooter and he could really help open up the floor for Mayo and Gay.
Thoughts?
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i don't see why
any team that is not competing for the playoffs or a title would want Brad Miller, unless they just want to rid themselves of another player or have some cap room for 2010. Surely a rebuilding team does not look at Miller as a solution to their problems or development?
But…if they’re willing, i’m sure GP would gladly accept such an offer.
Yeah...
I mean, who wants a guy capable of putting up 30 points & 22 boards?
by PhutureKings on Jan 15, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
12 pts., 8 brds. per game on the season
But top 10 in technicals – now that’s desire!
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Against the warriors...
Im suprised nellie didn’t have maggs playing center at some point last night.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Jan 15, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
The only problem is
He did that against the Warriors.
That was one game after putting up 3 and 2 against Orlando. In recent outings he offered 7 and 3 against Boston and 6 and 6 against the Spurs.
Again, it’s a case of Good Brad and Bad Brad.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
On a positive note
Brad is tied for 19th in the league in rebounds per game.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions
6th among Centers
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by lietothegirls on Jan 16, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
or 7th or so
depending who you count
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by lietothegirls on Jan 16, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
And 1st in assists among centers
4th among centers in assist to turnover ratio.
And just to top it off, Brad’s numbers this season (points, rebound, assists) are higher than his career average.
So there’s still some game there, even if his defense stinks.
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I am interested in what happens
when you divide up those stats against winning and losing teams.
If such an analysis shows Brad is a relevant monster against the weak sisters of the league but can’t hang with the tough guys, how valuable will that make him in the eyes of a contender trying to add a piece to push them over the top?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Just what you'd think happens
When any center plays against a weak rebounding teams his rebounds go up, and the opposite is true when facing good rebounding thems. But, if you need numbers; so far this year he is averaging 10.6 rpg in our division and 8.3 in our conference.
Brad isn’t easy to compare to other Centers because he plays in the high post on offense. So, naturally, someone like Camby will get more offensive rebounds for his team than Brad will get for the Kings. Statisticly you just can’t compare numbers of low post players on a team that goes through the center to score vs a team that shots a lot of 3’s. JT for an example gets a lot of offensive rebounds off of his missed tips. He can get 3 rebounds on 3 missed shots and not score. It just doesn’t mean that much to compare numbers.
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Brad's scoring is more important
than his rebounding. 12 doubles rebounding, 21 doubles scoring in 35 games. But again, when he does both well and gets scoring-rebounding double-doubles, the Kings are competitive (6-5). When he doesn’t, they aren’t (3-21). And when he’s stoned and suspended, they’re 1-4.
As Brad Miller goes, so go the Kings.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
As has been pointed out before
by TZ and others
Brad was signed as Robin – not Batman. This is true of most Centers in the league. They are not the leading rebounder (usually PF) and not the leading scorer (SF or SG).
There are a few in the league that are head and shoulders above, but very few.
Brad is firmly in the group just below the ‘elite’ Centers, and many many teams would be happy with him.
I point out again that the last few years Brad has been virtually by himself as the Kings lone competant big man, playing virtually without a PF that even slightly compliments him.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Jan 16, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
As has been added though
Historically it does seem much easier to be a true contender with a dominat physical Center.
Though Chicago, Detroit, SA and recently Boston bucked that – though they mostly had dominant big men in the PF position (not Chicago though – who won 6!!!)
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Jan 16, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Brad is firmly in the group just below the ‘elite’ Centers, and many many teams would be happy with him.
Very debatable, as the “Where can Brad start?” thread shows. One of the teams mentioned as a possibility was the Bucks. Even without their starting center, they are waxing us tonight. Might want to firmly cross them off that list.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Is an unrelated observation
stupid in fact. Just because they barely beat us doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be better with Miller.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 17, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows what that team would do or wants?
thay seem a little wacky
I say we offer them K9 for OJ
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Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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Now you're being stupid
While you’re at it, why don’t you offer Kwame Brown, Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton and a late 1st round pick for Pau Gasol? Oh, wait…
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It was a jooooke!
I didn’t think it necessary to put in the :)
but I’ll do so from now on – for you honey
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Ooops - never mind!!!!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm a little groggy today - too much wine last night
and I felt it necessary to watch Criminal Minds after the game…..
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
You fell into the sarchasm!!!!
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by otis29 on Jan 15, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I did....(sigh)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for 'chasm'
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
You know that I would never call you stupid
I might infer or imply, but I’d never come right out and say it. :)
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Thaaaanks!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think they would
Is Salmons enough to get Conley?
Salmons goes to San Antonio, We get Conley and Finley, and the Grizz get Douby, Vauhn, Williams and Mahinmi. And maybe the Rocks pick? Or Shelden:
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
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by iashwash on Jan 15, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I’ll have to look at that later (when I can get to the Trade Machine link), but Rec’d for originality!
Mike Conley for Ian Mahinmi AND Quincy Douby
how could Memphis say no to that?
(put that firmly in your "chasm")
by betweentheeyes on Jan 17, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
also
John Salmons, IMO, is not what the Spurs are looking for. He drives the lane too much which would clog the area for Parker, Duncan and Oberto. They really like having a Mike Finley, just a younger version of Mike Finley would be their answer.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 17, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
He drives into the lane too much?
Isn’t that what Ginobli does? Doesn’t seem to bother them there…..
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 17, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Oberto
cover the inside. The Spurs like having kick to the outside guys like Finley. Salmons plays good D and has a good work ethic. He might fit on the Spurs very well. I am guessing that if possible – and it is not possible – that Popovich would prefer a younger Mike Finley over both the current version and also over the present John Salmons.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I have always thought that the Spurs are the team we should trade Salmons to
I just don’t know what we could get from them. A three team trade of some kind would probably be the way to go
I have always had the same inkling
this is the only trade I could think of in the last six months that is remotely possible/realistic, but it is a function of how highly valued Mahinmi is, how much the Spurs intend to win now, etc.
Dealing with San Antonio is hard, because their only tradeable contracts are guys no one else would find useful.
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That's true
I thought for a while that something around Ime Udoka and expiring or picks could work but Salmons has been playing really good and his value is way higher than that.
I just think that he could be the piece that could put the Spurs over the top this year and maybe next year so if I was them I would be looking hard at trying to get him. Like betweentheeyes said, Salmons is good on D and his work ethic matches that of the Spurs. He’s also another player to go to on offense and adds a differemt dimension to San Antonio.
No takers?
On my Utah Idea? Or does everyone think its fantasy?
Problem: Utah is THIN at SG/SF,
Salmons plays Kobe very well, the Jazz refuse to be over the tax so they can’t/won’t resign both Boozer and Millsap.
Other: arguments
1. Mikki would be a decent back-up big for them and would likely get some easy dunks with DWilliams running the point there.
2. Salmons is a bargain contract. Boozer just turned 27.
3. Even if we can’t re-sign Boozer he’d be a prime candidate for a sign and trade.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 19, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
wouldn't get him
not for anything we’d be willing to give up.
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Maybe he meant through free agency this summer
Though I’m not sure if he’s restricted or unrestricted. I think restricted
Millsap IS restricted
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 19, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
I did mean free agency
As a restricted free agent all we have to do is make an offer that Utah won’t match. But, if they do, then they probably won’t be able to afford Boozer. So, if he doesn’t go to Miami, we do a s&t in the summer.
We’ll know who’s coming with our 1st rounders, he’ll have time to recover from surgery so we’ll know what we’re getting, and Salmons value won’t have dropped.
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Keep in mind
If you acquire Boozer, and try to acquire Millsap instead, while retaining your right to sign Boozer, Boozer will have a huge cap hold that will eat into cap room.
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You have it backwards.
We make an offer for Millsap first. Then if Utah matches it, then we make an offer for Boozer.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Do the Kings acquire Boozer in this scenario?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
No
This is assuming the Kings have ’09 cap space, and make a run at whichever big gets away from Utah.
The assumption is bad, though, because the Kings won’t HAVE cap space, unless something big happens (like Miller & K9 for Marbury big).
That's what I figured
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
We can't aquire either really
Unless we trade for them this year.
That was the point of the idea i thought.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 20, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck getting Utah to agree to a trade
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I don't mind that idea
I just think Boozer coming to the Kings through trade brings too many questions. If he stays, how much would you pay him? We already have a good prospect in JT at the PF position, is that the position we want to trade for. This is of course based on Boozer being a starter, if we were to get a 4 but not necessarily a starter (T Thomas, Millsap, David Lee) then it might work better.
Then, if he goes, we pretty much just traded our best asset for an expiring contract. Salmons to me is worth more than just an expiring.
Again, to me there are just too many questions. That being said, I like the proposal and if it were to go down I wouldn’t complain.
JT can play Center
I think he may be better at Center after a few pds are put on.
Anyway, this is just a thought, I really think we may need to take a gamble sometime soon and as you all know, I don’t think Salmons and KM complement each other…
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 19, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'm ending this
Sacramento trades its entire team to San Antonio, which sends their squad to Toronto, and everyone moves up one alphabetically by city. It works in the trade machine, and gives everyone a whole new set of players to complain about. Also, a preview of coming attractions:
“Do you think we can trade Brandon Roy to the Spurs for Brad Miller. I LOVED that guy when he was here! And we can throw in Oden and ask for K9 and Salmons!”
I love the 9-team trade suppositions, I absolutely adore them.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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