'Forget It'
by Tom Ziller on Jan 15, 2009 6:37 AM PST
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PrintSo many plays will get lost in a triple overtime thriller. I mean, 225 field goal attempts, 77 free throws, 125 rebounds ... 268 points -- there's just too much to compress. Given the unbelievable pressure of any overtime period, a monster like this is basically two games worth of stress and butterflies.
Kevin Martin's dunk, Beno Udrih's out-of-your-trousers deke, Francisco Garcia's galloping horse, John Salmons' killer rebound and winner -- all extremely worthy of memory, vital plays (just as the negative counterparts -- Martin's carry, Brad Miller's tech, Brad Miller's foul on Kelenna Azubuike on the missed free throw Miller didn't rebound -- are). But the play that sticks out to me -- more because of it's wider implactions -- is Garcia's block near the end of regulation.
The block led to a 24-second violation, a vital defensive stand. On replay, they showed a slow-mo close-up of Garcia's reaction once the shot clock went off.
"FFFFFFFFORGET IT!"
I sat positive he was dropping the "Eff Yeah!" or "Eff you!" But he brought a parable, a real lesson to this season. Forget It.
All the bad from this game -- iffy defense against on awful-shooting team, the absolutely inexplicable technicals by Bobby Jackson and Miller, the questionable possessions in potentially fatal positions, the extremely tight (to the point of choking) rotation, the miscommunication on defense, the bad turnovers, the missed bunnies -- FORGET IT.
This team will not be the Kings next season, or in 2010-11, or in 2011-12. Several pieces will remain, and we'll be here. But really, little that happens right now has a real, tangible effect on tomorrow. I mean, in the morning we're discussing Martin's leadership ... and he records the vital points in regulation and in the first two overtimes. We talk about Miller's energy, about Natt's faith in Beno -- Miller goes animal-style and Beno plays 56 minutes. The situation is so remarkably fluid. Up today is down tomorrow, what's black turns white on a dime.
There's no use stabbing ourselves and others over the failures of this Kings team. We're on pace for 20 wins, for God's sake. The plight of the franchise won't be solved in a day, whether the guards get out on shooters or whether we get a key rebound. Nothing's going to fix this team right now, so why kill ourselves in worry? Why should a bad team that's supposed to be bad worth all the stress?
Bad things happen? Forget It. This game would still have been entertaining if Azubuike hit the winner. I enjoyed the first 62 minutes regardless. Now let's try to enjoy the next 42 games. Carpe diem, or whatever.
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Hey get a win on Friday and we're on a 22 win pace.
It was all about the Martin dunk and rebound while surrounded by 3 Warriors to end regulation, and the ice water FTs by everyone, but especially Kevin, stone cold.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Never Forget
Nothing’s going to fix this team right now, so why kill ourselves in worry? Why should a bad team that’s supposed to be bad worth all the stress?
Because we’re fans, TZ, because we’re fans…
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Its our team, good or bad
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Last night
was the first time in a long time that I was really able to participate in a game thread. Last night was the most fun that I had as a Kings fan this season. Incredibly entertaining game, and great conversation on the thread. Thanks to all who threaded last night – it rocked!
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+1
throw out the records, that was the most entertaining game of the year, bar none. I normally go to bed at about 930pm …. it’s the first time in a long time I stayed up for the whole thing. My wife even got into it, and she hates sports!! Made some of the frustrations go away a little bit!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Having witnessed 3 OT losses in person this year
(or two? my wife claims 3(?))
I was at first Ohhh Noooo!
But it got more and more entertaining as it went on, I was laughing my ass off – and hey, a win was a great way to finish!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I wasn't able to start watching until OT but
didn’t it seem that Kevin’s comments actually lit a fire under their asses? I mean B52 with 22 effing boards, Beno playing the distributer throughout OT, continuous blocks and hustle by Cisco (OK that’s expected), but the overall defense, even though it was porous, everyone was hustling. It was amazing to watch and I can only wonder if they will continue to play that way or if they were only pissed for one game.
If this team puts up the effeort they put up in overtime the rest of the season it doesn’t matter how many games they win, I’ll be happy.
The American economy is in bad shape. I am still an American.
The Kings Franchise is in bad shape. I am still a Kings fan.
Bleed purple. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Yep, very well played
But you have to weigh that against the fact we were playing Golden State. Not just that it’s a bad team, but it’s a bad Don Nelson team – meaning less defense is being played out there than usual.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
true
But all I care about this year is effort and the guys are capable of giving that type of effort every night regardless of the opponent. Whether they will or not is the question.
The American economy is in bad shape. I am still an American.
The Kings Franchise is in bad shape. I am still a Kings fan.
Bleed purple. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Agreed
We are fielding a pretty young group for the most part – the effort and intensity should always be there.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
Yeah but last night
It was primarily the old guys, or the already in rotation younger guys like Kevin/Beno/Cisco.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
There's really only one "old guy"
That plays big minutes, at least IMO, and that’s Brad. Bobby and Mikki are more limited, so it’s normally a pretty young core on the floor.
I mean, those “veterans” aren’t so old they should be trying to rest tired legs should they??
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
Yup
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
bitter
I really don’t know why it bothered me so much but the fact that Hawes and Thompson played so little, left me with a bitter taste.
Every game we get closer to the trade deadline, I feel Brad is going to stay.
What happened to the
“Brad sucks,” “Brad is terrible” posts today? You mean 30 and 22 doesn’t actually suck? You mean that a player actually has to have a decent skill to pull off those types of numbers? But, I thought “Brad sucks?”
-Confused
Don't worry!
he got one in late in the game thread, saying Brad sucks and hadn’t played any D, just about the time Brad had 30 and 20 and was fronting GS guards – and stopping them pretty much cold.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Brad adjust his game early on
He came out trying to play his usual “point center” which was not working at all. Each time he tried it resulted in a turn over. It seemed to me that Nellie had a plan set up just for Brad. I’m screaming at the TV, “Brad you can’t play PG against this team”. He finally gets it and decides to become a scorer and a rebounder. The rest is history.
Yes
The Brad angst here was at a fever pitch until just recently. I think the fact that he’s playing well now is just infuriating the Miller haterz who think it proves he was dogging it earlier in the year.
Which is also weird, considering most everyone this side of John Salmons sucked ass for the most part. Brad’s an easy target, I guess.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
slow, unathletic, below the rim
Agreed. Easy target.
And he could have a few more “animal” style games and people would be saying the same crap. I have no illusions about Brad: he is a highly skilled yet unathletic, slightly-above -middle-tier NBA center that facilitates offense better than anybody on the Kings. Accept it. Embrace it. Let’s make the most of it. Cuz that’s what we got until he’s traded.
And then the same crowd can get after young Spencer with the same venom.
I could be wrong
But I read a lot of the frustration regarding Miller to be directly connected to his TRADE VALUE.
If you’re in the camp of trading Brad, the better he plays = more value he has the more he’ll bring back. When he plays badly, these people complain. If you want to over-simplify, these would be the “Brad Haters”.
If you’re in the camp of keeping Brad around, and possibly re-signing him to a small deal as a backup big until he retires, the better he plays = more for the Kings. When he plays bad, it’s bad for the Kings, and these people complain. To over-simplify again, these would be the “Brad Haters”.
I just thought I’d go ahead and clear that up. ;-)
Brad the lightning rod
You forgot to add the hippie lettuce and resulting suspension into your equations. :)
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
Good Bad and Bad Brad
Brad has some skills, you’re right; it’s just that they haven’t been on display on a regular basis this season.
Brad has 11 double-doubles in points and rebounds this season. That’s Good Brad.
Kings:
• Overall: 10-30.
• When Brad is stoned and suspended: 1-4.
• When Brad gets a double-double: 6-5.
• When Brad doesn’t get a double-double: 3-21.
Naturally we’d all like to see more Good Brad then Bad Brad or Stoned Brad, and it obviously has an impact on the team depending on which guy shows up on a given night.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 15, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Unleash Hawes
Brad doesn’t suck obviously and I’d never say that. The problem is that he’s not good either. The main reason he played well yesterday is because always a random forward/center plays well against the Warriors. It’s the Oakland law since Nelson got there. Brad is good only under certain circumstances and really bad under other circumstances.
Anyway, as long as he eats up Hawes’ minutes, I don’t like the situation. The Warriors are a mediocre team and they were missing their two best players. We beat them in the 3rd overtime. That’s not good.
Unleash Hawes please.
Me too
It looked to me that the core group on the floor and especially Miller were getting really tired. They were having problems making shots. A few big shots kept them in the game and then one big one by Salmons one it. I was wondering about Natt’s decision to stick with what he had out there and not bring in some fresh legs.
Second Guessing Wins
is a luxury of elite teams. Take the voctory and run like a bandit. Hawes and JT will get their minutes next game, when Brad is still unable to get out of bed.
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Oops...I meant victory
I’m such a dop-shot.
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by section214 on Jan 15, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Being unable to spell victory is a result of
being a fan of a bad team.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Tight rotations
I do want to talk about that.
matchups?
winnable game?
lack of imagination?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
I do think it was matchups, mostly
Who is JT going to guard from the Warrior’s lineup last night in the OTs before Randolph came in? Azibuke? This of course is presuming you think Brad Miller should have been in. The flipside of course is, would JT have abused whatever little guy was on him bad enough to be worth what you lost on D? I think that point is arguable, and I bet Kenny Natt was tempted. I think he just figured relying on a rookie in that situation was too much to ask, soon I think Natt will get there, but he’s not quite comfortable putting the focus on JT in crunch time.
Once Randolph was in, I was a little surprised we didn’t see JT, and I was tearing my hair out when we couldn’t get a rebound in the 3rd OT without him. You figure by that time Natt was just running with who had gotten him there, except for some situational substitution’s with Martin because of foul trouble?
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
Have you seen the rookie calls going against JT in the 4th quarter recently?
Until that changes, it’s going to be tough for him to get any crunch time minutes.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
IMO if JT played in the fourth quarter
there would not have been any overtimes the Kings would have won in regulation, how much fun would that have been? Natt kept JT on the bench for our entertainment
cynic
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
You're probably right
What with the way the Warriors were shooting FTs.
JT gets within 5 ft. of the ball – Refs call a foul – Warrior bricks FT – Defensive Stop!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Ho Hummm...
Wake me when there is a trade or the draft, whichever comes last…
No problem
Go away
The American economy is in bad shape. I am still an American.
The Kings Franchise is in bad shape. I am still a Kings fan.
Bleed purple. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
by kangsfan on Jan 15, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But he always has sooo much to add .....
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Sharpen your knives boys
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Kings have Best Div record after the Lakers, 5-3
and account for the lakers only Div loss.
A winning record of a sort – Hey, I’ll take it.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
That shows how overly crappy the pacific is this year
Yet another reason to believe the Lakers are overrated.
The American economy is in bad shape. I am still an American.
The Kings Franchise is in bad shape. I am still a Kings fan.
Bleed purple. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Dallas especially in bad shape
I’m still wondering if my pre-season prediction that they miss the playoffs pans out……..
(Though I thought SA would be worse than they are as well. Still time for my ‘age will catch up with them and 1st rd exit’ may still happen)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
…I thought SA would be worse than they are as well. Still time for my ‘age will catch up with them and 1st rd exit’…
Just keep saying that before every season (someone always does) and you’ll be right eventually.
someday.....
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
The game was so long last night
That I missed most of the 2nd overtime and the entire 3rd overtime because my TiVo was only set to record for 3 hours. 3 hours! 7:30pm to 10:30pm. And the game still wasn’t over. Not even close.
Great game though. Hard not to get excited about how Shock played in his little time, Brad’s Animal Style, and Salmons finally hitting that elusive game winner.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Jan 15, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions
It was big!
He ripped the rebound away from two GS players – they all had thier hands on it – turned and hit the shot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
A victory is a victory.
No matter how you slice it.
And a TRIPLE OVERTIME victory.
Even better.
Against our NorCal Rivals WOO!
It was fun! Gets the taste of the beating Orlando put on us out of my mouth a bit.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 15, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions
I was at the game last night, lucky me. I thought for sure that the kings were going to lose in regulation and then the second OT.
JT was great in the first quarter. early on he had two shots blocked consecutively, but he adjusted well. the next time he got the ball in the post, he gave a fake and got two defenders in the air before putting a shot up. I also thought beno was really solid the entire game. I can’t remember one bad pass or errant dribble. he was able to get into the lane and dish out to the wings on a consistent basis. this might just be a comment on the warriors defense, but regardless, that’s what we pay him for.
salmons was pretty solid early on, but as the game went on, he kept passing up open shots in order to take more difficult ones in traffic. seems like he was afraid of jump shots.. but the last play made up for all of that. cisco missed a few threes that might have ended the game sooner, but he came up HUGE in the OTs. and of course brad was in beast mode (although there was that little crybaby episode that made me sick).
what struck me most about the game was how AWFUL the warriors were, or rather, how they are such a sad shadow of the team that beat dallas a couple years ago. it seemed like every single play in overtime, if not the whole game, was an iso for crawford or maggette. the crowd cheered really loud when maggette was pulled in the 4th and when he fouled out in OT. sometimes I miss ron artest, but I’m glad we don’t have a player like that right now. I feel sorry for warriors fans, their team went from one of the most exciting to the least in no time flat. …sounds a little familiar.
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one more thing
this was the first basketball game I’d ever attended outside arco, I never realized how grimey it was compared to newer places. eye opening!
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watch game
I downloaded a torrent of the game but it was the W’s telecast, not the Kings. Does anyone know where I can get the Kings telecast?
Hmmm-
A “Jazz fan” that only posts not at the Jazz site but only at StR. Do I detect the hint of troll in the air?
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Not a member of any other blog either....
hmmmm
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 17, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Are you referring to me?
Or the troll?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
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