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Ricky Rubio vs Blake Griffin vs immortality (and my ego being swollen cuz I'm always right)

They suck. See there? That's the shortest fanpost I've ever written. Easiest too. I suppose the whole point of this is to notice some things, about current, and future, aspects of the team. So here goes....

Once Was A Man Who Consumed His Place And Time... He Thought Nothing Could Touch Him... But Here And Now It's A Different Storyline... Like The Straw He Is Clutching

Why Has The Sky Turned Grey... Hard To My Face And Cold On My Shoulder... And Why Has My Life Gone Astray... Scarred By Disgrace, I Know That Its Over

Because I'm Falling Down... With People Standing Round... But Before I Hit The Ground... Is There Time... Could I Find Someone Out There To Help Me?

Star-divide

The obligatory money matters part of my long winded worthless fanpost

What can this team do? Where can it go? How can it accomplish anything? First, monetary shit needs to be accomplished.

According to ShamSports, (Feel free to use the DX site as well--here is the link to the Sacbee Salary page) Sacramento has 53,231,690 committed to the following players: Brad Miller, Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Beno Udrih, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia, Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, and Donte Greene. Additionally, you also have the player option of Bobby Brown (accounting for 736,420), the roughly 3 million (which is higher than what I believe his buyout to be, but for my purposes works fine) estimate that would be owed Mikki Moore if you cut him before a certain date, like June 20th or sometime in there, and of course, I've been working under the assumption the Kings are no longer paying for Reef's salary as he will be medically retired. (On that note, I'm still wondering if the paperwork has been filed, and if so when?) So, with all that being added, you're looking at a rough estimate of 56,968,110 dollars in salary next season. Now, I'm going to assume 2 things here: Bobby Brown might not opt out, and that the buyout is somewhere between 2 & 3 million dollars, even though Amick has reported multiple times the buyout is 2 million if Moore is cut by June 20th) and I'd rather not falsely give the Kings cap room they don't have.)

The reason I bring all that up, is that the only way this team can actually improve it's roster is 3 ways: Trades, Draft Picks, and Free Agent signings. That's it. I bring it up, because sometimes I think the process gets so complicated, that we tend to forget there is so many things a team can do. A change, for the sake of change, is not always the way to go. That part I get. But, for this team, I disagree. To that end, though, I did propose this almost a couple weeks ago on Blog a Bull. Now, I'm not saying this is something the Kings should automatically do, but it's something you'd have to consider. It doesn't help you net cap space long term, especially before 2010, but it gives you a quality PG in Hinrich who plays defense, and will do what is asked of him by Natt (or whoever is coaching here next year & beyond). I would prefer a 3 way deal that included New York, and netted the Kings Starbury and Hinrich, so the Kings could get cap space, and Hinrich long term. But, and I repeat But, this doesn't work if you're likely to take a PG in the upcoming draft in 2009, as well as having Beno Udrih still locked up long term to a contract.

By that token, I think a trade deadline deal, or two, will be done by Petrie. He will do everything he can to get the most he can for Brad Miller, which includes cap space and a prospect, but it's likely he'll only get one or the other. If I had a choice, I'd prefer cap space. Petrie has an ability to get quality talent through the draft, but with Hawes, Greene, 2 potential draft picks under 21 next season, this team is going to have a lot of youth. This team doesn't need to stockpile it to become successful. What Petrie needs to do over time is get this team's cap cleared up, so taking less for a deal, like Bibby, doesn't become something that's acceptable. Because, even though the Bibby deal did distance the Kings from luxury tax, it was important to do because Bibby no longer had a real role for the Kings anyway. It made sense, and the package worked. However, this team is not going to be over the tax, unless they take substantially more money on in any deal they take on in a trade.

The bottom line with a trade, is that the Kings need to take care of their cap long term, and short term, and they need to put themselves in a position, among other things, where money is not affecting a long term move, such as a trade that can be made with cap space, or simply signing a Free Agent. They must do one of two things with a Brad Miller trade: bring back a player who can contribute in the short term, and enough cap space by 2010 to make worth dumping Brad Baby7 foot pile of dung, or outright dump his salary so you have cap space to make a supplemental move by the summer of 2009.

Where I talk about the draft like I'm an expert, but you can never forget I'll never watch any of these guys play live, therefore I'm just another fat stupid dork spouting bullshit like everybody else on here whose initials aren't TZ....

I'm a lone ranger on several fronts. I don't want Blake Griffin, or at least I'm not of the belief he's a can't miss prospect, but yet, I'm of the opinion this team clearly needs something else other than JT & Shawes up front. (What that is, is up to debate.)

First, I think it's too early to pigeonhole exactly what needs the Kings have, and Second, it's too early to properly evaluate all young players at this point. What teams do at this stage, are just simply collecting data. That's all they can do. What they can't do in May, is collect the data and thoughts of scouts in January watching a game live. Drafting a player is not an exact science, and as such, teams want to prepare themselves. They aren't making decisions, although I'm sure they have opinions, and there's always the chance factor of it all. Just look at Brandon Roy, was he on your radar screen as a top 10 pick in 2004? No, of course not. The point, if nothing else folks, is that the draft is a basis for opinions. Was Jason Thompson a great mistake? I don't think he is, but only time can tell. Right now, though, it's not looking like he was much of a reach considering he was selected at 12th overall, and much of the guys "out performing" him, were taken higher, or in drafts prior to 2008.

Let me point out 2 guys. The first, is Corliss Williamson, and the 2nd, is Blake Griffin. Now, I realize, you're gonna say, when you look at the stats of Griffin vs Big Nasty, you're going to say of course Griffin is better. I beg to differ. Williamson played less minutes overall, in part because Arkansas was a pressing team (I did actually watch college hoop then), and, because Corliss rarely played 35 mins. This was a guy who played for a team that made 2 national championship games in a row, and he was by far the best player of dem Razorbacks. Yet, he didn't even average 30 mins a night. That's the point. (He was, also, the lone player of that group to make it professionally. It's worth remembering that several other college teams of that era, notably Duke and Kentucky, each had at least 4 players play 5 years or longer in the NBA. Yet Arkansas for that short period of time was a college power. Worth remembering.)

First the Blake Griffin "Dunk" Mix:

Next the Ricky Rubio Mix:

Now, it will be believed by many around here that the Kings need a big PF inside as they don't currently have a great player up front. It will take great convincing me, again, that Blake Griffin solves the Kings problems even if they have the first overall pick. Which is why, yet again, I think the Kings need to take Ricky Rubio.

To highlight a point that TZ mentioned earlier today, he pointed out that the Webber trade, Jason Williams being drafted, Peja coming over from Greece, and Vlade Divac all happened from the end of the 97-98 season, and before the 1999 season. Why not do the same thing again? Is anybody going to tell me that Griffin putting up 22 & 12 in college basketball means more than Rubio's abilities penetrating, getting teammates involved, and, getting fans excited? Have you seen any of those clips he's in? Dude honestly reminds me of J-Will, but without the White Boy tendencies he mouthed off about now & again.

If you ask me, this team needs a personality transplant, and the fans need to want to come to the 'Ole Gas Pump again. Hell, we need excitement. Most power rankings have the KIngs as the worst, or one of the 2 or 3 worst, teams in the NBA. And they've earned it. It's time that this team move on from the past, and create a fresh place in history. By doing so that requires taking risks. Blake Griffin is the safe, easy, fan choice pick. Ricky Rubio, particularly if the Kings get to choose between the two, will not be. And, that, among other things, will be a mistake.

The part where I separate myself from you, and why I'm a genius, and you are not, part

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Okay, so maybe that isn't what you want to hear, but, I don't care. I really don't care if you think I'm this guy, even if it's out of season.

This team isn't missing Carlos Boozer, or Chris Webber. It's missing a personality, a belief in itself, and ultimately, the right mix. It can't happen as long as Brad Miller is here. Mikki Moore, who is no longer in the rotation (something I think that's pleasing management), and with the amount of young talent here, there is a chance to build a serious core that could start competing next season. Taking the right players out of the mix (namely Miller and Salmons) may be the most important step to re-building this team long term. But how to do that isn't just a matter of opinion, right? There's a way to make this mix right, and there's a way not to. I fail to see how a low post player, barring he's of Tim Duncan's caliber, is worth skipping the best PG prospect, perhaps since Derrick Rose himself,or maybe Deron Williams/Chris Paul?

If you believe that Blake Griffin makes the Kings better, than go for it. I don't see it. I think what this team needs, among other things, is a vocal leader, and unless Griffin turns into that guy, his abilities down low won't make a difference. Watching the Nuggets-Kings game last night, you watched an important aspect of post play. Bobby Jackson had Spencer Hawes down low, and couldn't get him the ball. It's great to have post play, but having guys who can feed him the ball, that's a pretty important play too. Right now Shock & Hawes can't get the ball consistently in the rhythm of the offense. Some of that is Spencer's own flaws, as well as JT's, but at the same time, what difference does it make if they're open?

My last point. (In 2 parts/3 paragrahs. It wouldn't be me if it was long winded right?) For those of us who remember the team prior to 1999, you remember a certain young PG out of Charleston. He didn't really set the world on fire, and couldn't really create his own shot. His name? Anthony Johnson. Now, the Kings aren't as bad off as the 98 crew. The only difference is, like then, the big dud in the middle is providing the team with real issue's, and Brad Miller, while not quite on the level of Olden Polynice dumb, he does do his best match to the Opey Dope for levels of ridiculousness. This team needs a heart transplant, or actually, a simple playmaker who can bring this team together. Telling me that Donte Greene is not a part of this team's future is pretty arrogant. It's pretty obvious the team considers him a part of the future. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have set him down to Reno. Isn't it obvious JT has abilities, and is still scratching the surface? Is it smart to say Spencer Hawes can't improve by at least a leap & a bound at some point? The guy is only 20 for chrissakes! What this team needs, is a penetrating, mouthy, arrogant, young, piss ant Spaniard who don't give a fuck about you me or anybody else, but wants to go out and fuck your roll up. Blake Griffin may be the best PF in College Basketball, which is what it is, but that doesn't mean he's the best player for the Kings, tomorrow, and 10 years from now. Regardless of how you feel about Griffin's domination, it's a much easier sell, to me, that Ricky Rubio is an answer to what currently ails the Kings, provided the mix that includes Salmons and Miller no longer exists.

This is why I want Ricky Rubio instead of Blake Griffin. Watch some of those clips. Doesn't it remind you of the good teams with J-Will (didn't see many of those--I was living Pensacola in 99, and it's not like the fever pitch had hit national TV that year) any? The behind the back passes, the up tempo interest, hell the just all around fun Rubio has on the court? That's what this team badly needs. I would argue that more teams in the draft badly need post players, teams like les Boulez, or the Thunder, but the Kings are not one of those teams. If Griffin was, for certain, a Tim Duncan, then I'd believe it. Blake Griffin is not Tim Duncan. If he was, and NBA execs, I guarantee you the "bird with the word" would have intimated that Chicago got it's perfect post player, and that Miami got the PG it really wanted. Or something to that tune. Griffin, is not Duncan. He's Blake Griffin, whose posting eye opening stats for a top college program, that has seen 2 forwards who were top 2 picks in the last 2 drafts do similar things with those type's of numbers. The difference? I think Blake Griffin's ability may be similar to that of Kenyon Martin with New Jersey, provided he doesn't have knee problems (which is one area of concern). This is not to say that Ricky Rubio is guaranteed to be better than Derrick Rose, let alone Deron Williams or Chris Paul. It's not.

What I'm saying is, that this team needs a marketable face, a reason to play up tempo, hell a player who can do a lot of things with the ball, and who is young, and can eventually become that stud at the PG we all know the Kings need. Personally, I hope the Kings get the 1st overall pick, and I hope they shock the world with a Rubio selection. Because, after all, attendance is down, fans are down on the team, and the franchise, as many around here and elsewhere are putting it, needs to hit a home run here. There couldn't be a finer example of hitting a home run on a young Spaniard kid whom many are questioning will come over because of his contract status. The Kings need Rubio, and more importantly, the surrounding community does too. When you think out of the box, it takes people by surprise, and their first reaction is usually anger/fear/arrogance. The real question, if Kings fans give Rubio a couple years, is will they be tripping over themselves to say they were always behind that kind of selection. Which is why, if the Kings do pick Rubio, on June 25th, I will simply sit back and smile. Not because I'm right because there is, as I've said, no guarantee. I'll simply wonder how high the roller coaster goes, and hope that for 10 years it just keeps going up. That's why, when you rebuild, you need the top pick. That's why, if nothing else, there's a lottery. That's why, among other things, I'm still a Kings fan. Because I have hope, and belief, if not for Petrie, then circumstances. I know one thing. It might be an unpopular selection, and, it's going to be one hell of a ride. Saddle up minions. Turbulence is your Sacramento Kings for the next several years. And she just rode into a storm of Wizardy Thunder.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I completely agree

I am not sold on Griffin at all. I think Rubio is one of those once-in-a-lifetime players. He’s been playing pro ball in Spain since he was, what, 16? And if you think the international game is a joke, let’s ask Brandon Jennings. I’m firmly in the Draft Ricky Rubio camp.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 21, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

But I think Rubio’s been playing pro ball since he was 14. He’s been on the international radar since he was FIFTEEN. Fifteen folks. He just is that good. And he barely turns 19 before the start of the season in November (late October sometime).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Only problem

is Rubio might not enter 09 draft and wait until 2010!

by hudson101 on Jan 21, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

That is the rub

and I think it will go that way. So what next? A facsimile? Or another pressing need – that of a dominant inside defensive presence. Someone who can change the way teams have to attack you. You all know what i think, Thabeet has that potential. (plus his name would sound cool rumbling through Arco).

I’m not selling the baby yet on him, but I am eager to see how he progressess through the year now that conference play has started. Dwight Howard by the by, does little other than DUNK at the offensive end (not a direct comparison),

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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 21, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's not make that comparison

Let’s not even start, or begin to think of, making that comparison.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....

I am the stone that the builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration that makes ladies sing the blues
I am the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark that lights the dark so that you can know your left from your right
I am the ballot in the box, the bullet in the gun
The inner glow
That let's you know to call your brothers son
The story has just begun
The promiser was to come
And I'm a remain a soulja 'til the war is won.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

There have been multiple rumblings by real NBA journalists...

that he will come out if he’s a top 3 pick (Hollinger/Stein).

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Jan 22, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

if

we can’t get Rubio, what do you think about grabbing Jennings?

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by shadow1480 on Jan 21, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting thought

If the Kings were 10-14, I think Jennings would be the perfect reach. That high? I don’t know. If Jennings goes higher than that, I’m not sure the pressure will end up suiting him, or the team, very well. Who knows though? I have read some things on Draft Express quoting NBA scouts who think he has more raw talent than Rubio. So, in a sense, I suppose that taking Jennings does make some sense.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree...

I don’t know which games you guys have been watching, but Blake looks good to me.

I watched him take over at the end of the Texas game. He scored repeatedly down low with a nice array of moves in the low post, and he had all of Texas’ bigs in foul trouble.

This guy is averaging 22 points and 13 rebounds in 32 minutes of play. He’s also making 63% of his shots. Clearly, he is better than everyone he’s playing with at the college level, and unlike our current big men, he has the ability to score down low with consistency, forcing a double team (can you imagine what Kevin Martin and Cisco could do if we forced the defense to double down all the time. This is how our offense used to work with Vlade in the low post).

My only reservation would be if Blake turns out to be a great deal shorter than the 6’ 10" he is listed at. This was my reservation about Beasley as well (and he turned out to be 6’7" without shoes). This was also the problem with Corliss (and Corliss wasn’t very athletic). If he measures out, I really think that Blake could be a very similar player to Carlos Boozer, and he will be much cheaper (and probably more durable). If he’s there and we have the number 1 pick, I will be very disappointed if we take someone else.

As for Ricky Rubio, I think he is a greater risk. Why? Because he doesn’t have the athleticism of many of the top point guards in the NBA. He will have trouble getting by his man unless the jumper improves greatly. Also, he has a slow release on his J. He could be great, but I have more questions about his game than Blake’s.

by R-Man on Jan 21, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

With regards to Blake

I’m more concerned about his reach. If he has above average length for a guy his height (whatever it is), then, yes, I would be concerned.

My point with Corliss was that he was a dominant low post player in college, and still ended up being a quality role player come the time he made it in the NBA. ( And I saw a clip of him posting up Rasheed Wallace in 95. Don’t tell me there is more talent in college hoop now. There’s probably a greater argument for less.)

I noticed what you meant with Rubio, as he pretty much still shoots a set shot. I’m not that concerned about that though. if he can get a shot off in traffic, or a jump shot with someone in his face, that’s my ultimate concern. If he shoots a set shot when he’s wide open I’m okay with that. (And, since when do PG’s have to be greatly athletic? In watching Gary Payton for nearly a decade, I don’t remember him dunking. Once.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

you're coming around PG...

I also think Heinrich is a good fit for us, even if the Rubio ping pong ball falls our way… point guards take a long time to develop (with a few notable exceptions) especially 19 year old point guards. We should assume it may take 3 years or more so having Kirk and his declining contract (though still admittedly pricey) makes sense to me.

So along those lines, the following 3-team bonanza works on trade machine: Sac gets Heinrich and Starbury. Bulls get Beno, David Lee and Shelden W.’s expiring. and NY gets Tyrus Thomas, BMiller, k-9 and Quincy.

Why: Kings dump a shit-load of salary, unload the Beno error (btw, while overpaid as a backup, not grossly overpaid IMO). Bulls get out from under Heinrich’s contract which is way too much for a backup to Rose, get DLee (would replace Gooden who they will let walk) and NY gives up no 2010 salary cap, get Tyrus (perfect for DiAntoni) and rid themselves of the Starbuy circus.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jan 21, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting idea

And what do you mean I’m coming around? Have I ever said I don’t think the Kings need Ricky Rubio? (I don’t remember, but maybe I have many months ago.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

But -

NY pays almost $50 million for Miller/K9(woof!)/Thomas in 2009-10 due to being over the luxury tax.

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by section214 on Jan 21, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i read elsewhere

that if Rubio is guaranteed a top 3 pick he’ll enter this year’s draft but come over later… which is fine with me.

I think I read that on DX, which is where I read another interesting article about him. It talked about how great he is at getting his team involved, how he takes control and leads his team and they listen, even though he’s only 18. There’s also mention of how great a defender is. He just sees where the ball is going and steals it with ease. There’s a lot of talk about needing another big man, but don’t we REALLY need a great PG who can raise the tempo, lead a team, get everyone involved, and play great defense? Our need for inside defensive presence is lessened quite a bit if guys can’t get by the PG at will. As far as getting another big, Petrie can probably find a gem with the Rockets pick., which will be somewhere in the 20s. Seeing as how that’s where Jason Thompson probably would have gone had he not been picked by us I think it’s safe to say that he.

With Rubio we’d have a core that looks like this:

PG – Rubio/Beno
SG – Martin/Cisco
SF – Salmons/Greene
PF – Thompson/Moore/Rox Pick(?)
C – Hawes/Moore/Rox Pick(?)

If we can somehow get some trades done for some prospects or cap relief we have a shot of being incredibly decent within the next few years. With the right combo of cap space/prospects we can become a free agent or trade away from greatness. I firmly believe that Rubio will be a superstar PG, and I’m fully willing to take a risk with some young Spaniard as it’s worked out quite well for the Blazers and Lakers. With a guy like Rubio feeding him the ball doesn’t Martin automatically become an All Star? I think SF would be our biggest weakness but the Maloof Brothers’ promise of renaming “The Palms” to “The Lebron” should net us the free agent we need. And of course Shock and Hawes should be a great back court tandem for a long time.

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by vfettke on Jan 21, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

You sir understand the essence of my point

Even though I never brought it up directly. I was hoping people would get, that if your PG isn’t getting broken down 25 ft away from the hoop, it’s a bit easier to expect your bigs to play greater interior help defense at some point.

Bravo vfettke.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true

By the time a guy manages to get past Rubio one of our bigs can be in place under the hoop.

Also, watching these videos really makes me question one his biggest “weaknesses.” People seem to think he may not be fast enough. But watching him makes me think he is fast enough. He’s not super fast, but fast enough. Plus, doesn’t his ball handling and ability to break his man down more than make up for his lack of Barbosa speed?

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by vfettke on Jan 21, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He reminds me a combination of

J-Will, GP and Mark Price. Am I wrong?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Throw in a side of

Magic Johnson and Jesus Christ and you’re a little closer

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by vfettke on Jan 22, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thought Jesus was a 4

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 22, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

but he had mad ball handling skillz

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jan 22, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And here I thought reading the bible was a waste of time

Come to find out I missed the great story of how he broke down God one on one. I suck. :(

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 22, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless you're talking about

“Jesus” aka Earl Monroe, and then, cool beans.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 22, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

That Rubio video

makes me tear up a little. Pretty please can we have him? The guy can just drive to the hoop all game and make layups or force a double team that he’ll easily pass out of. He’s what you’d get if Jason Kidd and Steve Nash had a baby together

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by vfettke on Jan 21, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

What you should do bro

Is actually watch the other one. (I’ve watched it like 3 or 4 times, and listened it to about 20 now. Yeah, I’m just that off.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen it... several times

That move against Lithuania, a right handed behind the back dribble back to his right hand… fucking amazing.

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by vfettke on Jan 21, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite

The part in the mix about 1:35 in, is where he does the under the leg with the same hand over his head to (I’m assuming it’s Tiago Splitter?) which was just amazing. I didn’t see any of the regular season with J-Will in 99, but I can only imagine that’s what it was like. This kid was like, 17 at the time vfettke. This shit defies any reasonable explanation, until you attach that rare, and should hardly be used word, prodigy to it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm so dense

I realized we’re talking about the same thing. <—— Dumb shit.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Rubio

would energize Sacramento, no doubt. If we can draft him, hell yeah, I’m feeling great about it!

That said, the comparison with Griffin is pretty much a moot point unless the Kings get a very lucky bounce of the ping pong balls. because if Blake Griffin continues to dominate the college game like he is right now, he’s the #1 overall pick. And even with the current meltdown the odds of the Kings getting the #1 overall are quite slim. Rubio, who might be available anywhere from 2-4, is a considerably more realistic possibility.

I have to disagree with one other thing here, pookey. The Kings might be missing personality and a vocal leader, but even more conspicuous in its absence is talent. This is a roster that is talent-challenged at almost every position. In a big way.

So I guess my point is that I don’t disagree that Rubio would be a better fit than Griffin in many ways, either guy would be a major upgrade, and Griffin almost certainly won’t be available when we draft in any case.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jan 22, 2009 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

I disagree with the talent part

Maybe I’m wrong, and maybe you’re right MM. Jason Thompson just turned 22, Spencer isn’t 21 yet, Donte isn’t 20 yet. Saying there is no talent among those 3 is looking at the glass less than half empty. Furthermore, Maritn & Garcia, 2 cornerstones of the future, have not played up to their best in part because of nagging injuries to both. The mix for this group is what’s really wrong, and if that changes, and the problems still persist MM, then yes, I will be in total agreement. That also means, that Petrie wasted 2 lottery picks on players who weren’t anything more than a bottom of the rotation role player. I don’t think that’s the case.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 22, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I sound harsh

I know, and maybe I should qualify.

I don’t mean to say there’s not any talent on the roster. Obviously there’s some. K-Mart has proven himself to be one of the best in the NBA at his position. I love Cisco’s game. “Shock” Thompson has a chance to be a very good player. He should at least turn out to be a solid contributor.

But it takes lots and lots of raw, highly-tuned talent to seriously compete for the NBA title. At least three of the very best players in the world, all working in tandem. In my opinion that’s considerably beyond the scope of what we have right now, even if most of the young players reach most of their potential.

And I don’t blame Petrie for that. He’s done a damn good job considering the mediocre draft position he’s had to work with. Sure, the Kings have had a couple of late lottery picks recently, but there’s generally a big gap between the talent available in the first three or four picks vs what you can get at say 8 through 12. The odds of hitting the jackpot are in your favor at the very top of the draft, but where the Kings have been selecting it’s much more of a crapshoot.

I’ve said many times that I have big concerns about Hawes, especially his lack of athleticism and limited defensive abilities. I hope I’m wrong but just don’t think he’ll ever be the guy we need in the middle. Greene isn’t even on the radar at this point. If and when he graduates from his apprenticeship in Reno we can reassess his ability to make an impact on the team.

One thing for sure, and as you are saying here, pookey, we’d be a lot better off with a gamebreaker like Rubio, a really slick, aggressive guy at the 1, a true point guard who could attack opponents and break down defenses so as to make use of the talent we do have.

Actually, as a rule I’m a “glass half full” kind of guy. But we need to be clear-eyed about what we have here. Quite a few citizens of Sactown got on my case over the summer when I suggested we were probably looking at a big dip by the Kings in 08/09. I think I said we’d end up with around 23 wins, assuming Brad was traded by the deadline.

That’s starting to look optimistic!

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jan 22, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good call on the 23 wins

I knew it was possible if injuries hit, especially to Cisco and Kmart. Turns out, you were pretty right. But you know what MM? I don’t care. This team needs the influx of talent onto the roster. The best way is usually through the draft.

I’m not that concerned by Hawes physically. It’s his mental approach that concerns me. But, there have been times where I just couldn’t figure out exactly why the rest of Hawes’ teammates can’t get him the ball. I think he’s gotten frustrated, and it’s hurt his game. He’s not the jumping jelly bean JT is, and with this team, that hurts him. When there is more continuity, and if he continues to struggle, I will be officially concerned. Right now, the removal of the 7 foot pile of dung is priority #1. Ricky Rubio/Trollbeeet/Blake Griffin talk is just that: talk.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I have been on the Rubio bandwagon for a while now

I have a lot of confidnce in JT so Griffin, as good as he could be, just doesn’t fill a need for this team. Watching the Kings against the Wizards last night it became clear to me that we need a PG who’s going to direct this team and make sure fnds his teammates at the right spots. As good as Beno played last night, and he did carry the team in his back in the 4th, he just doesn’t have that presence and ability to make others better. I think Rubio does.

Imagine Rubio penetrating and kicking it bck to Speed, or even Greene, for 3s. How about him looking for Hawes at the right spot in the post or hooking up with JT for easy baskets. I haven’t seen much of Griffin, or Rubio for that mater, but is clear that the Spaniard could have a better effect on this team by making eveyone around him better.

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 22, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

He speaks English too

Meaning you won’t have to strain to have a conversation with him in Spanish. I doubt you’ll have that problem though. LOL

On a serious tip, nobody on the Kings roster, minus Franky G, speaks Spanish, If Rubio can’t communicate, and Sergio Rodriguez had this problem in Portland (thank you Jason Quick!), then in fact, it is an issue. If Rubio was a PF, I wouldn’t care, But, he’s a PG. He has to call out plays. He has to talk to other players. The better his English is, the easier it will be for everyone to adapt. And, of course, there’s always the possibility he & Cisco can take advantage of the language barrier. I doubt it though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

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